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This has most definately (I would assume) been asked before, but for some reason I can't find any info about. I wanted to know if there is a way(possible) to develop a flashable Android 2.1 ROM to the Tilt 2 (or any other windows mobile device)? I ask because I personally would want to fore-go the HaRET method since this is just Android running on top of Windows Mobile and therefore you won't see the speed benefits or full functionality of Android. If this hasn't been done yet it seems like it should be possible since the HTC phones share a lot of the same hardware i.e. Hero and touch pro2. Can anyone provide info as to why this is or isn't possible?
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This has most definately (I would assume) been asked before, but for some reason I can't find any info about. I wanted to know if there is a way(possible) to develop a flashable Android 2.1 ROM to the Tilt 2 (or any other windows mobile device)? I ask because I personally would want to fore-go the HaRET method since this is just Android running on top of Windows Mobile and therefore you won't see the speed benefits or full functionality of Android. If this hasn't been done yet it seems like it should be possible since the HTC phones share a lot of the same hardware i.e. Hero and touch pro2. Can anyone provide info as to why this is or isn't possible?
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This is currently in development i believe but in practical terms we would need a fully functioning ROM first in order to make a flashable Android ROM practical...Haret is easy because you can boot right back to WinMo...instead of having to reflash your device
sakshaug007 said:
This has most definately (I would assume) been asked before, but for some reason I can't find any info about. I wanted to know if there is a way(possible) to develop a flashable Android 2.1 ROM to the Tilt 2 (or any other windows mobile device)? I ask because I personally would want to fore-go the HaRET method since this is just Android running on top of Windows Mobile and therefore you won't see the speed benefits or full functionality of Android. If this hasn't been done yet it seems like it should be possible since the HTC phones share a lot of the same hardware i.e. Hero and touch pro2. Can anyone provide info as to why this is or isn't possible?
Thanks
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Android does not run on top of windows. Running android using haret can be viewed as booting up a Live CD on your computer. A complete flash (over writing WM OS in ROM) might be possible in the future. Take a look at the Kaiser and Vogue forums the ability to flash into ROM already exists for those two devices. The problem with porting android into any device is that most of the information such as drivers, hardware chip sets etc. are not publicly available. The devs here, are in some cases literally reverse engineering parts of the phones hardware trying to get things working. Just give em some time and support.
Yup, If you look at the kaiser android threads they do have android running from nand removing WM completely. I think they want to get a functioning build before they start trying to flash to nand. One step at a time.
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Yup, If you look at the kaiser android threads they do have android running from nand removing WM completely. I think they want to get a functioning build before they start trying to flash to nand. One step at a time.
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He's right, if you get a dodgy build ETC.. you have a problem!
and android is still buggy
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Android does not run on top of windows. Running android using haret can be viewed as booting up a Live CD on your computer.
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With a live CD you actually boot from the cd and never touch windows. With haret, you boot into windows and run it.
Are you saying it unloads windows?
Windows is not still running underneath?
I was looking for info to determine if I would be better off running the most stripped down lean version of windows for better android performance.. but from this post it sounds like it does not matter?? Is this true?
i think the best way right now is to use the minimum rom for winmo, and use that dualboot program.
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With a live CD you actually boot from the cd and never touch windows. With haret, you boot into windows and run it.
Are you saying it unloads windows?
Windows is not still running underneath?
I was looking for info to determine if I would be better off running the most stripped down lean version of windows for better android performance.. but from this post it sounds like it does not matter?? Is this true?
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HaRET completely unloads Windows Mobile from memory before loading the Linux kernel, and eventually Android, rather than simply running Android alongside Windows Mobile. If you know what loadlin was, it's essentially the same concept of unloading one OS and loading another, without shutting down the device. Therefore, the ROM you're running doesn't actually affect the speed at which Android, or any other Linux distro, runs.
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i think the best way right now is to use the minimum rom for winmo, and use that dualboot program.
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Think this is what you are looking for.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=624964
But Android on the Rhodiums right now isn't really ready for day to day use yet.
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HaRET completely unloads Windows Mobile from memory before loading the Linux kernel, and eventually Android, rather than simply running Android alongside Windows Mobile. If you know what loadlin was, it's essentially the same concept of unloading one OS and loading another, without shutting down the device. Therefore, the ROM you're running doesn't actually affect the speed at which Android, or any other Linux distro, runs.
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Excellent, Thats just what I was wondering... thanks!
I would definitely be willing to give nand flashing a go once battery is working, as i dont use sound, bluetooth or gps, it would be nice to just have android on rather than having to boot into winmo first
sebbo90 said:
I would definitely be willing to give nand flashing a go once battery is working, as i dont use sound, bluetooth or gps, it would be nice to just have android on rather than having to boot into winmo first
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Still not even close to that, we gotta get the system to up to stable state since their would be no way to reboot if something were to lock up. its not a matter of if, just a matter of when. I had the vogue for a long time with the flashable image and it was the best thing ever with just how stable its gotten. it turns your old ass device into a new beast quite literally. the only thing bothering me is the prioritization of the current devs working on the builds.
Can someone tell me the name of the users who are working on the driver/kernel? i might be able to help them get those drivers working.
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I would definitely be willing to give nand flashing a go once battery is working, as i dont use sound, bluetooth or gps, it would be nice to just have android on rather than having to boot into winmo first
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the cab version of AOSP 2.1, the new build, is just as good right now. The battery life is decent while running Android. Plus if u dont want to boot into windows first, get The Gene Y Dual Boot cab..its here on the forum. get the one that points to the "andboot" folder. then u can just boot straight into Android. I got it. Wrks fine. Thats just intil a flash available. but me personally, i like the option of both Wm or Android. The More , the Merrier,..lol
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the cab version of AOSP 2.1, the new build, is just as good right now. The battery life is decent while running Android. Plus if u dont want to boot into windows first, get The Gene Y Dual Boot cab..its here on the forum. get the one that points to the "andboot" folder. then u can just boot straight into Android. I got it. Wrks fine. Thats just intil a flash available. but me personally, i like the option of both Wm or Android. The More , the Merrier,..lol
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Im not a fan of the dual boot .cab seems a little buggy like the load up times when i have used it. I guess this way with winmo i can have 3 os's
I got a file and some apps & drivers.
You can find a PDF file in the attachement.
Please read it to see whether it can help.
Apps & Drivers:
http-//rapidshare.com/files/455584224/KinTwoSetupApp.rar
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Hi guys, here is another USB driver for KIN TWO which is a little bit different to the one uploaded above.
http-//rapidshare.com/files/456921463/KUSBDrivers.rar
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Thanks to every one here.
Let's work together/
This looks to be exactly what we are looking for. This will definitely open up the possibilities of modifying the current kin os, or porting a new os to the device. However, this guide is useless without the tools and files mentioned in the document. You said you had some files as well, do you have these files?
SPST Vn.n.n.msi.
PB10ZUnPB20ZU (Lab) Vn.n.n.msi.
SPSTUSBDriverInstall.msi.
InstallPMXMTP.msi
With these files we be able to finally successfully hack this phone.
This is great. We have the resources, now we must figure out how to get a modified os on the phone using the tools.
Awesome find KinPhoneLover; not sure how and where you got this SPST, but it could be the very thing that is needed. For people who bricked their kin phones, they should try the "refurbish feature" to see if that will successfully reset their phones back to "factory mode". As for getting a new OS on the phone, in the pdf at the "Upgrade section", when you browse for the firmware file, it is a .ecn file. Not sure how flashing is done for Cyanogen and those other Android custom firmwares, or their file type extensions. If SPST only supports/allows .ecn files, that could be a problem trying to use those Android custom firmwares.
wow, this is exactly what we needed....did this get leeked or something? it says its from the sharp corp., so im guessing they got it somehow by chatting with them? why isnt there a lot of buzz about this??? i can read my phone number and everything off of this...so close to getting android, or just putting java apps on it..
Too bad its only 32 bit But yes. This is one step closer. Please, people with brick kin, test it out. See if we can get the ball rolling again.
Radar2004 said:
Too bad its only 32 bit But yes. This is one step closer. Please, people with brick kin, test it out. See if we can get the ball rolling again.
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yes, i have to use my slow home computer, instead of using my quad core 64bit laptop
Just got everything up in running. Is anyone else having a problem with the SPST constantly dropping the connection with the phone and reconnecting? I'm not sure if this is due to running XP in a virtual box or if its something I can readily fix.
Short Answer: doesnt work.
Long Story: This needs your phone to be ON even for refurbish option and then, able to connect to a COM port. Unfortunately, that doesnt happen in SBL / APX mode and phone doesnt boot (autoreboots) so no COM mode available.
Just another software installed (for me).
No news in the front, guys. I guess i just need to get rid of verizon software (the one trying to get an OTA), not something from "normal" kin states.
Okay so now that we have a tool to upgrade the software all we need are custom firmware files to flash to it. However I don't see any option to read/dump the firmware using this software.
dezgrz seems to be correct, there don't seem to be a way to read/dump the current OS to make a backup of it. The PRL and ERI options don't seem to be what we want. The Provision option is the only option where we can read stuff from the phone. Could someone run that option, check all those settings (NAM1, security, feature, data, etc) and write it to a file and upload it? Maybe there will be something useful in there.
I gotta order a new battery, then I'll see if I can get anywhere with this... need to load up a 32bit OS first, apparently.
Either way, this is a huge step. Maybe not complete, but still a huge step. Thanks OP.
Hm..??
This seems interesting. I been watching this site until someone "Exploited" the phone. I have a mac, and does this work for kin? What does it do?
zero2duo said:
Could someone run that option, check all those settings (NAM1, security, feature, data, etc) and write it to a file and upload it? Maybe there will be something useful in there.
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That features seem to be available already with "QPST" software... which didnt make anything advance (yet).
As i said, i renamed my NAM succesfully, and changed some security options (which i guess that doesnt matter, cause i *was* able to work anyway).
not much you can do that you cant do already, besides looking at your phones info. I was able to change voicemail numbers, was *86, i changed it to to just 8, and it says voicemail, but doesnt connect. Still playing around.
Why don't you just take it back to Verizon and get a replacement. How would they ever know you messed it up trying to hack it?
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Why don't you just take it back to Verizon and get a replacement. How would they ever know you messed it up trying to hack it?
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You should read the whole threads and/or other threads to understand why.
This phone needs to get hacked. I love my phone but i dont like the OS that the phone has. If this phone isnt hacked by the time summer comes, ill be glad to participate. I've hacked many phones but this may be a challenge. I would like to see apps on this phone.
PS I know the phone has java so where can i go to play games or apps for java?
Kinuser1 said:
PS I know the phone has java so where can i go to play games or apps for java?
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Javascript
johnkussack said:
Javascript
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Out of all the things I know, why wouldn't I know that its Javascript? Jeeezus. I would happily spend time on this phone but my grades are more important. Now what site could I go to on my phone to play apps/games.
P.S your post didn't really help me.
It's kinda sad to see the forum for the Duo not really progressing even with a device with an unlocked bootloader.
This device is amazing , it sucks to see it not getting much love from the dev community
I was thinking the same. I'm sure making the dual screens function as they should might be offsetting.
josh_zombie said:
I was thinking the same. I'm sure making the dual screens function as they should might be offsetting.
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Android 11 supports multi screens out the gate from what ive heard.
Im also hoping someone just makes an optimized deodex stock rom. the ram management isnt great :\
you can try GSI in the meantime
GSI?
also i noticed this was a dead forum. ppl are on the reddit. but im wondering if ppl just waiting on the Android 11 release then hustling on that. ALSO a lot of BS bad press from APPLE funded mainstream reviewers....so i mean..... i really get annoyed with my device SOMETIMES but MOST of the time....im loving it....and its a HUGE head turner and convo starter....its a great device
Same and same. Was really looking forward to that speaker mod.
After having to use an iPhone as a work issued device for the last 10 years, and being an Android person since the first Droid arrived way back when, 2 weeks ago I bought this device. I LOVE IT!!! I am now loving reading my ebooks, could never find a device I liked to read them on. I have literally 10 years of books to catch up on. The form and function of this device is far more advanced than the iPhone XR I was using. Yeah the camera leaves something to be desired, but it makes up for it in form and function. I don't need a great camera, what I need is a flexible device that allows me to integrate my work and home life balance. The 2 screens and being able to do more things at once is awesome. I am really hoping development takes off for this device.
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you can try GSI in the meantime
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Have you tried any of the gsi roms yet? I've been thinking if it too.
This device was released first in the USA. I believe now that other countries are starting to get this device. I believe we will see a lot of development for this device. Remember android 11 and 12 were designed for dual and non dual screens. More to come guys. Im actually interested in learning linux. I heard it just commands.
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It's kinda sad to see the forum for the Duo not really progressing even with a device with an unlocked bootloader.
This device is amazing , it sucks to see it not getting much love from the dev community
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They are baking the multi-screen features into Android 11. Any custom development now requires incorporating all that stuff into a ROM (which means ripping it from an existing ROM, figuring out how it all works and then porting it to AOSP, maybe a piece of cake, maybe a nightmare) whereas in theory the AOSP 11 source will allow us to just build as-is and get at least minimal dual-screen support without having to do a bunch of extra work.
Microsoft has some decent documentation up for the Duo already but it's Microsoft's first Android device, there is a lot of work to be done.
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They are baking the multi-screen features into Android 11. Any custom development now requires incorporating all that stuff into a ROM (which means ripping it from an existing ROM, figuring out how it all works and then porting it to AOSP, maybe a piece of cake, maybe a nightmare) whereas in theory the AOSP 11 source will allow us to just build as-is and get at least minimal dual-screen support without having to do a bunch of extra work.
Microsoft has some decent documentation up for the Duo already but it's Microsoft's first Android device, there is a lot of work to be done.
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Yeah, I agree. It's a lot of work and you have to find the software changes that they made inside the system image. I managed to get the system images separate from the OTA files, but I'm stuck on extracting the data from the system image. Microsoft used a different file type than other developers, but once we can access the data from system images, we'll be one step closer to ROM development!
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Yeah, I agree. It's a lot of work and you have to find the software changes that they made inside the system image. I managed to get the system images separate from the OTA files, but I'm stuck on extracting the data from the system image. Microsoft used a different file type than other developers, but once we can access the data from system images, we'll be one step closer to ROM development!
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I'm looking forward to it!
This is one device with tons of potential screaming for development. I would buy it just for the things a rooted Duo could do!
We already have gCam.
What I need as a rich DeX like desktop mode where I can plug in my dock and connect to multiple monitors and work like I do with my regular Surface.
Then minute that happens I'm grabbing one ASAP.
System and Vendor Files Extracted for Build 2021.817.35 (and for future builds):
[Resource] System and Vendor Files for Surface Duo & How-To Guide
Extracted System and Vendor Files Please use these files for your correct system version only! I am not liable for any system crashes or errors. This is only a resource for development purposes. Access Extracted Files (GitHub): Access System...
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This is awesome!
Also Microsoft recently announced Android 12L support next year.
Google's Android 12L update coming soon to support Surface Duo 2 and other large screen devices - OnMSFT.com
Google is planning a feature for its latest Android 12 operating system large enough to warrant a name change dubbed Android 12L that will give tablets,
www.onmsft.com
Hopefully it'll be both Duos getting the update to 12L
Would someone be willing to test my TWRP boot image? My Duo is bricked and I can't flash any files to the system anymore :/
This is the software you need to be on: 2021.913.25. If you can, you can dm me or reply here!
I'm on 2021.913.27 unfortunately, and I have another duo thats been off for a few months if that will help at all.
Im already 2400 in the hole and moved on to the iPhone 13mini so I'm happy to help test if it can get this device a few steps closer to functional.
kmccall said:
I'm on 2021.913.27 unfortunately, and I have another duo thats been off for a few months if that will help at all.
Im already 2400 in the hole and moved on to the iPhone 13mini so I'm happy to help test if it can get this device a few steps closer to functional.
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The phone doesn't power on anymore? If you can send me the 2021.913.27 zip file that's used to restore your phone, I can make a TWRP image you can test.
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The phone doesn't power on anymore? If you can send me the 2021.913.27 zip file that's used to restore your phone, I can make a TWRP image you can test.
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you misunderstand so heres the full story you can skip if you want
I purchased 2 Duos with my partner. He stopped using his after a short while and some mild water damage and I stopped using mine after cracking it. The insurance process with Asurion was such a pain in the ass that I never got either repaired but both still boot and operate completely fine. I just hate them.
I would like to hate the phones I spent so much money on a lot less and am willing to even accidently brick them in the process but haven't done more than rooting and TWRPing samsung and OnePlus phones. but I work in robotics so it can't be too outside my depth to assist with.
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TLDR: I have two beatup Duo phones that boot and run perfectly. I am happy to help flash and mess around with them.
[[ If you can send me the 2021.913.27 zip file that's used to restore your phone ]]
Where would I find this file? Or is there a way to get non rooted phones to spit out their updater files?
kmccall said:
you misunderstand so heres the full story you can skip if you want
TLDR: I have two beatup Duo phones that boot and run perfectly. I am happy to help flash and mess around with them.
[[ If you can send me the 2021.913.27 zip file that's used to restore your phone ]]
Where would I find this file? Or is there a way to get non rooted phones to spit out their updater files?
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Oh gotcha. You can find how to get it here:
Surface Recovery Image Download - Microsoft Support
support.microsoft.com
You can send me the zip file. I'll get the resources from it and send you a boot image to boot from fastboot. If the phone successfully boots, we have TWRP. If not, it's back to the drawing board.
JengaMasterG said:
Oh gotcha. You can find how to get it here:
Surface Recovery Image Download - Microsoft Support
support.microsoft.com
You can send me the zip file. I'll get the resources from it and send you a boot image to boot from fastboot. If the phone successfully boots, we have TWRP. If not, it's back to the drawing board.
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And if it bricks, I'll somehow still be satisfied. I'll get back to you this evening.
Just started my shift
So first of all this is my first attempt to do anything in this direction and im at a dead end of my ideas what i need to get started.
The main problem is that the stick where lagging too much. But i have a bluetooth device that i would like to monitor and since a few days im owning a fire tv cube.
Therefor i think, having a linux running would be great. Ive already run archlinux/ubuntu/fedora a few times on my android via termux. But i don't know anything about booting in or on arm devices. After some research i think that u-boot is something i need to use to boot the kernel. To get this done i should have a backup plan as this might result in a bricked device, but i didn't find anything about a uart connection or similar to get logs or an option to modify the boot. Im owning a stm232 ( if i remember correctly, ill update this tomorrow ). i know the risk that i could damage the stick but i'll riskthat , at least i can learn about booting on arm.
Are there guides or documentations where i could start?
Ive read about a locked bootloader but i don't know if i need to unlock this or if i could bypass this.
Any help apreciated. I'll try to update any progress to give anyone to reuse the old sticks instead of sending them to trash.
You can ask this guy's
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they have ported Android and Linux for the Nintendo switch.
I love the idea but I am not able to find a tutorial for this. Just for a later device:
Fire TV 2 - Ubuntu (Headless) Install Guide
This guide is intend to help you with "installing" Ubuntu 14.04 (12.04 also works) on the Amazon Fire TV 2 after rbox recovery has been setup. Only headless mode is possible, similar to Ubuntu Server, but it still makes a nice little ARMv8...
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Perhaps it is possible to adapt this. See here, to find out hot to connect serial-port:
Amazon Fire TV (amazon-bueller) - postmarketOS
wiki.postmarketos.org
I tried GrapheneOS and it's ok but too many compromises I have to make with several apps I'm using not working and small issues here and there.
Has anybody ever used Android Flash Tool to revert back from GrapheneOS to stock? If so, any issues?
Yeah plenty of times, no issues. Download firmware, extract it then flash-all in CMD
Thanks. No need to download FW or for CMD there, flashing is web based: https://flash.android.com/
Worked flawless.
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Thanks. No need to download FW or for CMD there, flashing is web based: https://flash.android.com/
Worked flawless.
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Can't wait to see more devs implement this system. My laptop is borked so it's really cool seeing such a simple alternative emerge
I've been thinking of using GrapheneOS for a bit. What was some stuff that didn't work for you?
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Can't wait to see more devs implement this system. My laptop is borked so it's really cool seeing such a simple alternative emerge
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I would definitely love to see this with other manufacturers. I got a Windows ARM laptop that has become unresponsive in BIOS, meaning I can't tell the system to install a new Windows version via the Boot menu. Such a tool would save that device. It should be mandatory to offer decent web flashing tools.
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I've been thinking of using GrapheneOS for a bit. What was some stuff that didn't work for you?
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Most things work with Sandboxed Google Play. But a few things don't like Android Auto, Google Pay and Chromecast. But other than that, I haven't had anything not work. They are close to getting Android Auto to work if I remember correctly - and Google Games ( I don't use either but looks like release is imminent). Check the other GrapheneOS threads on here or you can message me if you have any specific questions.
One thing I recommend though, is to leave "oem unlocking" enabled on the device after locking your bootloader. that way if something goes wrong, you can flash factory image. You don't want to brick your new phone. (I always leave my bootloader completely unlocked but that's a personal preference and I know the risks).
In other words, only a bunch of proprietary closed source gooble spyware crap doesn't work. The best thing about going to graphene or other security minded distributions of AOSP, is specifically *to* eradicate all of that.
It can be difficult initially, to clear yourself of all the gooble spyware, but its worth it and you don't even notice it after you get used to it. You're just much more safe and secure.