Hi All Dear XDA Members,
As most of you will know, I'm XDA addict and active member who started a lot of threads in order to try to keep XDA as organized as possible (see: the Q&A/T thread template: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=46281795&postcount=4, which also contains the links to the Index project and the Ask Away help thread). Yet, I noticed that XDA has become so huge that it's grown out of it's "jacket". It became a forum which looks like a "forest which can not been seen because of all the trees". Newcomers can hardly find their way in this forest, ( They still keep registering to our forum but hardly post anything, let alone that they will start a thread) even more experienced users have difficulties or stop develeloping new ROM's and/or Threads. The layout of XDA is, speaking in modern terms, old fashioned at this very moment and if there will be no facelift within a short while, XDA is IMHO doomed to follow certain social media, who are loosing a lot of followers at this very moment. If you are familiar with social media, you know exactly which media I'm referring too. So, that's the reason I started this thread: How can we resuscitate XDA, cause that's what's needed, to be and stay future proof? IMHO, XDA is one of the, if not the, most important Smartphone forum and it should stay that forever, but changes are needed to achieve this. One of the changes could be a chat function, but most of all there needs to become a new a structure of how XDA is build up untill now. I'm convinced that the XDA staff is aware of this and working very hard to keep XDA future-proof. As it is now, it will be very hard to compete with the modern social media applications. I'm a diehard fan of XDA and that's why I started this thread. Making XDA future proof will be a hell of a job and therefore the staff of XDA can use IMO input from members, like you and me. Just plain and simple: I ask you all to come with information, suggestions and ideas how to make XDA future proof. Help the staff of XDA in this huge project of keeping it alive , kicking and well. Vbulletin is not the most ideal platform anymore, we need something else (see Reddit, etc).
kindest reards, kuzibri
BTW1: I do not suggest that XDA should use the Reddit platform or something the like
BTW2: A more social media approach would and could benefit XDA in the near future.
BTW3: I'm a great fan of the XDA Labs app for Android. Maybe an idea as a starting point?
Can you give some ideas on what can be done in terms of the layout?
This forum has grown MASSIVELY since it was first started back in 2002. I think we now have over 6.6 million members. The vbulletin forum platform was never really intended to handle such a large amount of content or userbase.
We've been on the vbulletin forum platform for a long time now. We've made a large amount of custom modifications, plugins, and tweaks, in order to add a lot of what you see in the forums today. A lot of it is the things you don't see behind the scenes. The massive amounts of custom coding that has been done, that cannot be easily transferred to other systems.
Of course we are aware that the forums are at breaking point in terms of capacity of both content and users. And of course other platform configurations are becoming more popular, with sites such as Reddit. But making a switch to another platform would be a massive massive undertaking. It's not like we can just copy and paste the database.
We are aware that this type of platform is aging, and needs to be kept a little more up to date. And I know the owners are well aware of all of this. It's not that they don't care. They do, more than anything. XDA is their baby, they are heavily invested in it, and they want it to keep growing and to remain the world's premier Smartphone development forums.
I don't know much personally, but I do know there are long term plans to look at updating or switching platforms, to better accommodate the sheer amount of users, and the large amount of valuable content. it will come, but due to the sheer scale of the task, it's going to be a very long term project for the owners I'd say.
MishaalRahman said:
Can you give some ideas on what can be done in terms of the layout?
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I have some ideas which are not ready yet to be posted/published, that's why I started this thread, hoping to get some usefull information and ideas.
BTW, it's not only the layout that needs an update, but the entire structure of XDA in order to stay future proof.
kindest regards, kuzibri
We already have a design for the 2018 template completed. We begun the implementation earlier this year but had to pause because we had to work on other things, such as XDA Feed and yes a new chat product we're working on. We're trying to hire a new full-time developer to help us on the 2018 template, which we expect to take about six months (it's pretty involved).
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We already have a design for the 2018 template completed. We begun the implementation earlier this year but had to pause because we had to work on other things, such as XDA Feed and yes a new chat product we're working on. We're trying to hire a new full-time developer to help us on the 2018 template, which we expect to take about six months (it's pretty involved).
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yes a chat product is needed
The messaging part is very complicted for me till now
Search could be better. It's hard to find stuff. The way forums are arranged is a mess too; one for questions, and one with a sticky marked "no questions" right above all the questions! Note: nobody reads stickies, and policing of questions is poor so they stick around long enough to make it look like perhaps questions are welcome after all! On a thread the navigation choices are bizarre to say the least: a button for page 1,2,3,11,> (whatever that is) and last. Well...it's going to be last every time, isn't it? So you can get to the latest posts on a thread you're interested in. Really, this is a pre-Stack Exchange site; possibly learn from them in terms of allowing users to vote threads/comments up/down to give moderators less work (ie they can just skim the worst offenders).
(Apologies if you were just talking about tweaking a css file to change hover colours or something)
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Search could be better. It's hard to find stuff. The way forums are arranged is a mess too; one for questions, and one with a sticky marked "no questions" right above all the questions! Note: nobody reads stickies, and policing of questions is poor so they stick around long enough to make it look like perhaps questions are welcome after all! On a thread the navigation choices are bizarre to say the least: a button for page 1,2,3,11,> (whatever that is) and last. Well...it's going to be last every time, isn't it? So you can get to the latest posts on a thread you're interested in. Really, this is a pre-Stack Exchange site; possibly learn from them in terms of allowing users to vote threads/comments up/down to give moderators less work (ie they can just skim the worst offenders).
(Apologies if you were just talking about tweaking a css file to change hover colours or something)
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We welcome reports about anything violating rules, but also threads out of place. You don't even need to report every question in a general thread, if there's a lot, you can report one and make a note in the report that the whole subsection needs some cleaning. Or, report them all, up to you. :good:
We really rely on members to point stuff out to us, cause we do have a limited sized volunteer mod staff, so we can't see everything out there.
Cheers! :highfive:
Darth said:
We welcome reports about anything violating rules, but also threads out of place. You don't even need to report every question in a general thread, if there's a lot, you can report one and make a note in the report that the whole subsection needs some cleaning. Or, report them all, up to you. :good:
We really rely on members to point stuff out to us, cause we do have a limited sized volunteer mod staff, so we can't see everything out there.
Cheers! :highfive:
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Hi my dear friend,
You're absolutely right. There is a lot of mess going around on XDA and I can understand that you cannot see everything due to limited mod staff. A suggestion might be to make the process to become a Mod easier than it is now. Active and good RC's can become a Mod, IMHO, without the process they have to go through now, which in a lot of cases leads to RC's not appointing for the Mod's status. Instead of going to the Mod's process, I would suggest that you give and explain to RC's what they have to do what a Mod needs to do to become a Mod, just my 2 cents. Of course there is a limitation in this suggestion: the minimum time for an RC to become a Mod more or less automatically should be, IMO, at least two years in which he/she proved his/hers additional value to XDA judged by the Mod's staff. In this way, you will get far more Mod's and XDA will be cleaner than ever.
kindest regards, kuzibri
BTW, It's obvious IMO that the Mod's staff decides which RC is fit to become a Mod without going to the whole process or not, let that be clear.
BTW2, I'm personally do not have the intention to become a Mod in this way (unless your Mod's staff decides so), but I have two suggestions/recommandation regarding two persons of whom I think they are very capable of doing this: @Robbie P and @sd_shadow. They are both very critical and XDA adepts.
@kuzibri
as always you are too kind
a couple of years ago I would have liked to have been a moderator, but right now I don't know I have time right now
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@kuzibri
as always you are too kind
a couple of years ago I would have liked to have been a moderator, but right now I don't know I have time right now
Sent from my sailfish using XDA Labs
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Hi my dearest friend,
I realy think that you are perfectly fit to be a moderator, but it's of course up to you. I just suggested a new way of appointing Mod's and recommended you and Robbie'for the job. I really think that good and active RC's can become a Mod without going to the whole XDA process that's needed to become one. They are very short of Mod's, so make the process easier for active RC's.
BTW, I have all the time in the world since I retired a few months ago!!
kindest regards, kuzibri
Hi kuzibri, great to see you are still around. Are you suggesting that certain RCs should be given minor moderating powers?
With respect to me, I have not been very active at all lately on XDA, been sort of expecting a PM from JJD every time I log on
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Hi my dear friend,
You're absolutely right. There is a lot of mess going around on XDA and I can understand that you cannot see everything due to limited mod staff. A suggestion might be to make the process to become a Mod easier than it is now. Active and good RC's can become a Mod, IMHO, without the process they have to go through now, which in a lot of cases leads to RC's not appointing for the Mod's status. Instead of going to the Mod's process, I would suggest that you give and explain to RC's what they have to do what a Mod needs to do to become a Mod, just my 2 cents. Of course there is a limitation in this suggestion: the minimum time for an RC to become a Mod more or less automatically should be, IMO, at least two years in which he/she proved his/hers additional value to XDA judged by the Mod's staff. In this way, you will get far more Mod's and XDA will be cleaner than ever.
kindest regards, kuzibri
BTW, It's obvious IMO that the Mod's staff decides which RC is fit to become a Mod without going to the whole process or not, let that be clear.
BTW2, I'm personally do not have the intention to become a Mod in this way (unless your Mod's staff decides so), but I have two suggestions/recommandation regarding two persons of whom I think they are very capable of doing this: @Robbie P and @sd_shadow. They are both very critical and XDA adepts.
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Hi!
I'll respond to a couple things you've mentioned.
- There's no such thing as a fast track to becoming a mod. There's multiple rounds of questionnaires for a very good reason. We need to get a feel for a person's instincts based on how they answer. And it doesn't matter a person's title on xda, or history here, everyone goes through the same process. Of course history matters with the decision though, we obviously only look at upstanding members who are a definite asset to the site.
- No one becomes a Moderator based on length on Xda alone, there's many factors looked at. And not everyone will become a mod, based on many possible factors too.
- If there are messes out there, hopefully they get reported, because that's the best way to get it addressed. It's a massive site, and yes we do patrol and try to keep things tidy, but we don't see all. We really rely on members reporting issues.
- And the gentlemen you mention need to apply like everyone else. Cause again, no, we don't just appoint anyone. All members interested need to apply and go through the same process.
We encourage anyone interested to apply of course. And best of luck to anyone who does. :highfive:
Hope that helps clear some things up. :good:
Cheers,
Darth
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Hi!
I'll respond to a couple things you've mentioned.
- There's no such thing as a fast track to becoming a mod. There's multiple rounds of questionnaires for a very good reason. We need to get a feel for a person's instincts based on how they answer. And it doesn't matter a person's title on xda, or history here, everyone goes through the same process. Of course history matters with the decision though, we obviously only look at upstanding members who are a definite asset to the site.
- No one becomes a Moderator based on length on Xda alone, there's many factors looked at. And not everyone will become a mod, based on many possible factors too.
- If there are messes out there, hopefully they get reported, because that's the best way to get it addressed. It's a massive site, and yes we do patrol and try to keep things tidy, but we don't see all. We really rely on members reporting issues.
- And the gentlemen you mention need to apply like everyone else. Cause again, no, we don't just appoint anyone. All members interested need to apply and go through the same process.
We encourage anyone interested to apply of course. And best of luck to anyone who does. :highfive:
Hope that helps clear some things up. :good:
Cheers,
Darth
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Hi,
thanks for the lenghty explanation, all clear. Was just a suggestion to solve the shortage of Mod's in an easy and fast way.
kindest regards, kuzibri
Robbie P said:
Hi kuzibri, great to see you are still around. Are you suggesting that certain RCs should be given minor moderating powers?
With respect to me, I have not been very active at all lately on XDA, been sort of expecting a PM from JJD every time I log on
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Yes my very dear friend, I'm still around. Due to the shortage of Mod's @Darth mentioned, I proposed to make the most active and valuable RC's a Mod without going to the entire XDA process that's needed for that. But as you can read by the answer of @Darth this is no possibility at all. IMHO, they missed the "train" in that by staying to their rules (which of course I can understand fully), cause, also IMHO, very good RC's (they are not appointed as Recognized Contributors for nothing and this title is closely related to and in line with the work of Mod's, e.g. helping people to find the right way or reacting on wrong posts by reporting them, only Mod's have much more power) are also capable of becoming good Mod's with a newly developed guidance/manual from the Mod's committee what are the demands for an RC to become a Mod in this new way. Maybe this idea is too revolutenary at this very moment, but the saying is: "when you do not shoot, you can also not miss". Of course, when this suggestion would be accepted, the Mod's committee should keep a close eye on these RC's and look if they are fit to be a Mod or not, if not, they will be an RC again. Seems logical to me,
kindest regards, kuzibri
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Hi all,
any other suggestions to make XDA future proof?? Cause at this very moment XDA is, certainly for new members, a labyrinth. In general, even despite the introduction of XDA Assist, they cannot find their way to what they are looking for, so XDA needs to become more accessible and easier to navigate. In fact the entire site should be redesigned, but due to the massiveness of this site, this is an unrealistic task, unfortunately.
kindest regards, kuzibri
I personally think making more social is a mistake. Well at least on the devs side. Most don't like dealing with users to begin with and already block pms and mentions. So adding a chat function I see is just wasting resources. I recall the last time it was brought up with a resounding no.
As for staying sutures proof that will be hard. With the push for tighter security on our devices it is only a matter of time before the majority of devices can't be unlocked and leaves users only looking for apps.
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I personally think making more social is a mistake. Well at least on the devs side. Most don't like dealing with users to begin with and already block pms and mentions. So adding a chat function I see is just wasting resources. I recall the last time it was brought up with a resounding no.
As for staying sutures proof that will be hard. With the push for tighter security on our devices it is only a matter of time before the majority of devices can't be unlocked and leaves users only looking for apps.
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Hi,
many thanks for your valuable feedback. With this thread I tried to stir up some things to see whatever is possible. What do you mean with "Dev's do not like dealing with users", cause that's what XDA stands for? This amazes me a bit. Regarding the future proof remark, you may be right in the near future.
kindest regards, kuzibri
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Hi,
many thanks for your valuable feedback. With this thread I tried to stir up some things to see whatever is possible. What do you mean with "Dev's do not like dealing with users", cause that's what XDA stands for? This amazes me a bit. Regarding the future proof remark, you may be right in the near future.
kindest regards, kuzibri
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Really? How many devs do you see having conversations that mean anything with users? One of the biggest complaints from devs are the users. Mostly due to the fact that they won't do anything for themselves. Why do you think most teams use things like slack, or telegram (the devs don't really even talk much there in the public rooms, they have private ones set up in the side to talk shop) when I say dev I mean the real devs. Not script kiddies and compile jockies.
That is what xda stood for. It is no longer that way.
Nothing is future proof. Never has been never will be. It will end just like the days of freely modding your device. It all ends.
Hi my very dear friends,
no more new ideas or suggestions how to keep XDA future proof? It's my personal idea that the interest in posting on XDA is rapidly diminishing. If true, this would be a very disappointing way to handle XDA. It meant and still means IMHO a lot for members and newbies to be informed about the latest innovations regarding smartphones and giving them details about it. Also for helping people to get out of trouble with their device or solve other problems, XDA is the place to be. Whenever there are no reactions to this post within two weeks, I will ask a friendly Mod to close this thread. The reason for this is the presumable lack of interest in this subject and thereby there exists no need anymore to continue it nor to keep monitoring it.
kindest regards, kuzibri
Hell foreign friends,
I am the original author of Nubia Z17's MIUI9.
I found someone stealing my ROM ,MIUI9.I was very angry.
Please stop your infringement!!!
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Hell foreign friends,
I am the original author of Nubia Z17's MIUI9.
I found someone stealing my ROM ,MIUI9.I was very angry.
Please stop your infringement!!!
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I'm not quite sure stealing is the right word for it. He has ported it for international use. Furthermore he has quoted your work in his initial post. Maybe you two could figure something out and work together, since everybody likes your miui 9 port so much. It would be a shame to have miui 9 not ready for international use.
曦颜XY said:
Hell foreign friends,
I am the original author of Nubia Z17's MIUI9.
I found someone stealing my ROM ,MIUI9.I was very angry.
Please stop your infringement!!!
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You need to read the Forum Rules. XDA is about sharing open source projects...
Rule 12:
12. Sharing
XDA-Developers is based on the principle of sharing to transmit knowledge. This is the cornerstone of our site. Our members and developers freely share their experience, knowledge, and finished works with the rest of the community to promote growth within the developer community, and to encourage those still learning to become better. There are those, however, who take advantage of this model and try to make personal gains from the hard work of others.
In order to preserve the delicate balance between sharing for the good of the community and blatant self-promotion, regular members and developers alike must understand (and agree) to the following:
12.1. Give credits where due - Credits and acknowledgements for using and releasing work which is based on someone else's work are an absolute must. Works reported to have no credits will be taken down until proper acknowledgements are added by the member in question;
12.2. Courtesy - While most of the work released on our site falls under the umbrella of open source, that is not the only license model being used by developers on xda-developers. In order to prevent problems, we ask that if you decide to base your work on someone else's that you check the license model being used (as it might not be as permissive as one may think);
12.3. Re-releasing other's works as your own is forbidden. The code that you release into the wild must have something beyond minor aesthetic changes that makes it better than the last. As this can be subjective, kang reports will be reviewed on a case by case basis. If you feel that your code has been kanged, please contact the Dev Relations team (listed below) if you cannot solve the issue amicably via PM. Please understand that you will be asked to provide evidence to substantiate your claim;
12.4. Developers can issue take down requests (by contacting the Dev Relations team) under the following circumstances:
- in-process builds start showing up on forums when the developer is not yet ready to release the work;
- cases in which another developer is too aggressively soliciting donations or misrepresenting the work (kanging);
- unofficial builds where an official build is already available;
In summary, we want people to have access to work and knowledge alike. Sharing is good and courtesy and ethics go a long way.
Developers with questions, comments, complaints, or concerns about our rules (or anything!) should send a PM to our Dev Relations team (efrant or sykopompos) or to a Moderator. We are here to help!
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The dev who asked for money is @joshuous (Oneplus 3 & 3T dev) and the moderator who helped is @Magnum_Enforcer.. and possibly @Sam Nakamura
A simple timeline of things:
1) Dev's rom (VertexOS) didnt have an update since September
2) "Suddenly" dev breaks his phone, and asks for donations
3) @Magnum_Enforcer deletes the message, and reminds him of rules
4) Dev says he wont continue development without a phone
5) Another user posts a link with a used phone at 200$ (i think from Swappa) and prompts other users to donate, many users agree
6) Users donate to the dev, dev thanks users for donations and says he will continue development .
Of course the majority of messages got deleted eventually by @Magnum_Enforcer (or maybe @Sam Nakamura)
So my question is Are devs allowed to ask for users to donate for a phone so they can continue development?
If this is not the right place to post this, please redirect me to the right thread
Sir, how can you even speak about something you completely don't know about?
Points im making clear:
The dev did not force for donations anywhere (and anyways nobody from xda donated) The vertex community(outside of XDA) decided to donate for a new phone so he could continue the amazing and promising work he's been delivering. If not he'd have bought another phone and continued to develop for it .
The developer complied to what he was instructed to : He did not even request for donations after he was warned to not do the same.
IT WAS THE COMMUNITY WHO INITIATED THE DONATION .
And please know that its the developer who's spending all the precious time on this for making all of us happy (please let me know if its you)
You, sir, should be ashamed to have ranted and spoken absolute **** about something you have no idea about. I don't think your stubborn ass belongs to a great place like XDA.
Other points:
1. This happening does not involve XDA and is totally out of XDA's boundaries.
2. I thought we were all aware that the dev was working on Oreo which was the reason for the pause in official builds.
3. Nobody is showing bias here. Please show us proof if you got any.
Not going to start a flame war here. I'm going to do this in a reasonable manner. I welcome any moderator (@Magnum_Enforcer and others) to discuss with me and allow me to provide every evidence needed to explain the situation and support my case. Feel free to pm me.
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The dev who asked for money is @joshuous (Oneplus 3 & 3T dev) and the moderator who helped is @Magnum_Enforcer.. and possibly @Sam Nakamura
A simple timeline of things:
1) Dev's rom (VertexOS) didnt have an update since September
2) "Suddenly" dev breaks his phone, and asks for donations
3) @Magnum_Enforcer deletes the message, and reminds him of rules
4) Dev says he wont continue development without a phone
5) Another user posts a link with a used phone at 200$ (i think from Swappa) and prompts other users to donate, many users agree
6) Users donate to the dev, dev thanks users for donations and says he will continue development .
Of course the majority of messages got deleted eventually by @Magnum_Enforcer (or maybe @Sam Nakamura)
So my question is Are devs allowed to ask for users to donate for a phone so they can continue development?
If this is not the right place to post this, please redirect me to the right thread
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Seems like you are too stubborn to give up. Very well.
Let's break things down a bit, shall we?
Joshuous has unfortunately damaged his OnePlus 3 accidentally, which means that - at the time - continuing to develop the ROM is impossible. Common sense, isn't it? Kernel building can be done blindly, but not ROM building by any means, or else the users may quite likely face serious bugs or even bricks, and will require a tediously longer period of testing that will deem the whole project meaningless. Joshuous was ready to give up on developing since, well, no device to test his ROM on. But the community didn't want to let go and soon enough a campaign to fund a secondhanded OnePlus 3 was begun by a generous member of the community (and NOT Joshuous himself). It may be inappropriate to post direct donations links, as kindly explained by @Magnum_Enforcer in the VertexOS thread. And after a quick discussion, and adequate moderating, the donation link was removed by the mods and the whole discussion was taken to somewhere more private away from XDA - as per the XDA rules and request of its moderators.
It's worth noting that the last official update from Joshuous was on the 16th of September, with a hotfix build released shortly by one of the project contributors, which caused the thread participants (with you pittifully being amongst them) to falsely deceive that the project has been abandoned, even though Joshuous was posting status updates when possible. However, it's been repeatedly stated by Joshuous and his contributors (me included) that the ROM hasn't been abandoned, and that the pause of official builds is a natural thing when the developer starts to work on the major Android version upgrade - just like most of the ROMs.
Again, I would like to emphasise some points. As far as Joshuous went with 'breaking the rules', he directly posted a link to the funding campaign that explicitly stated the campaign's goal to buy a secondhanded OnePlus 3 unit. As soon as the link was removed, and Joshuous made aware of the rules and that this was considered a violation to them, Joshuous has gratefully abided by @Magnum_Enforcer 's decision and the XDA rules and took the donation somewhere else out of the XDA boundaries. And of course, we must emphasize the fact that you have been rudely bashing Josh and @calvinistmac (you even dared to rudely call him "his lackey" just because he responded to you and gave you a status update, and I have not-so-kindly stepped in. And if my memory serves me right, I even advised you to get your hands off the keyboard for your own good - an advice that apparently wasn't taken into consideration and has cost the XDA forum lots of space, and has significantly cost the mods quite some time to clear your trash talk and rude comments and not to mention how depressed Josh was when he saw, and still see, such allegations made against him)
Now let's get back to your preposterous claim
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The dev who asked for money is @joshuous (Oneplus 3 & 3T dev) and the moderator who helped is @Magnum_Enforcer.. and possibly @Sam Nakamura
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Incorrect. Joshuous didn't actually start the campaign of funding a OnePlus 3 device for development, he only stated that he lost the phone accidentally. Only thing he did was pasting a link to a campaign that was started by another XDA member, who did enjoy VertexOS and was very generous to do whatever it takes for the project to continue. And no, Magnum_Enforcer didn't help him, he actually took down the link asap and kindly refreshed our knowledge of the XDA rules. Sam Nakamura didn't help him either.
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A simple timeline of things:
1) Dev's rom (VertexOS) didnt have an update since September
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Can't be denied, but I just did explain why did Josh pause the official builds above.
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2) "Suddenly" dev breaks his phone, and asks for donations
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That's nothing short of an individual issue of trust. Nothing to do with XDA or any other site. I suggest you go see a doctor and talk with him about your uncertainities and conspiracy theories - that's all I can say.
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3) @Magnum_Enforcer deletes the message, and reminds him of rules
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I don't see anything wrong here. It's just the moderator doing his job properly, and I highly commend him for that :good:
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4) Dev says he wont continue development without a phone
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True, and justifiable. ROM developing cannot be done blindly. Even kernel developing must need a very highly experienced dev to come up with dependable stable kernel builds if done blindly without the actual device in hand.
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5) Another user posts a link with a used phone at 200$ (i think from Swappa) and prompts other users to donate, many users agree
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What's wrong with seeing a good and supportive community? Is that against the rules, or does it defy the laws of physics?
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6) Users donate to the dev, dev thanks users for donations and says he will continue development .
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Given the previously explained circumstances, and the wonderfully supportive community, the developer has gratefully accepted the community's helping hand. What's wrong with that?
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Of course the majority of messages got deleted eventually by @Magnum_Enforcer (or maybe @Sam Nakamura)
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And we commend him/them for doing his job properly and promptly reminding us of any violation to the rules. I would like to remind you and the gentlemen that among the "majority of the messages that got deleted eventually" was your rude reply to @calvinistmac where you called him Josh's lackey, which is terribly impolite and unrespectful to say the least.
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So my question is Are devs allowed to ask for users to donate for a phone so they can continue development?
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The answer of this question can be found in @Magnum_Enforcer 's post here, which apparently you have gone through and failed to understand.
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If this is not the right place to post this, please redirect me to the right thread
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That's up to the moderator to decide. But one thing for sure, XDA is not the place for you to blatantly drag the devs in the filth and lace your hate on them.
I hope such guys get banned from XDA, as those destroy the whole community. They don't even have a sense for community feeling or how to act in one.
I've seen many post of you, which are disrespectful and childish. And this one is the top of the hill.
Mostafa explained the situation very well. Josh never asked for donation and the campaign has been created by a user, not even a contributor!
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And we commend him/them for doing his job properly and promptly reminding us of any violation to the rules. I would like to remind you and the gentlemen that among the "majority of the messages that got deleted eventually" was your rude reply to @calvinistmac where you called him Josh's lackey, which is terribly impolite and unrespectful to say the least.
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I just hope you change the rules, because there are clearly other devs out there that should be making a living out of their work.
Allowing this dev to get paid, while banning other from freely asking for donations to continue, is clearly double-standard behavior.
No wonder why devs start leaving XDA.
Why do you keep saying XDA "allowed" joshuous to get paid? The donations took place off of XDA and any donation requests on XDA were promptly removed.
The rules were upheld and the users who saw value in VertexOS donated elsewhere. I'm not sure why you alone are against this.
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I just hope you change the rules, because there are clearly other devs out there that should be making a living out of their work.
Allowing this dev to get paid, while banning other from freely asking for donations to continue, is clearly double-standard behavior.
No wonder why devs start leaving XDA.
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Actually Devs start leaving XDA because of people like you keep populating the threads with nothing but nonsense. Absolute nonsense. You just cripple the threads with such replies. And where on God's Earth did Joshuous ask his users to donate him to continue development ? I have said it before numerous times and will say it again, the campaign was raised by one of the users and not him. And when ME took down the link, we moved the discussion to somewhere else out of XDA's boundaries. What the bloody heck is wrong with that? If you don't like what you see, clear the bloody way for more useful posts! Any other comments on that means that you are nothing but a troll. Not even a guy with single digit IQ level would be that stubborn and fail to understand outright facts.
P.S. stop with the "XDA is helping him" part, coz that is even more embarrassing for you.
Absolutely embarrassing response.
Lock this thread and change the rules already, there are devs out there that deserve to get paid
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I just hope you change the rules, because there are clearly other devs out there that should be making a living out of their work.
Allowing this dev to get paid, while banning other from freely asking for donations to continue, is clearly double-standard behavior.
No wonder why devs start leaving XDA.
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Do you get your jollies over ridiculing other devs? Your the type that make devs want to quit. I've seen it happen all across this forum. Josh is one of the best devs out there along with SultanXDA, Maxwen, etc...
Nowhere did Josh ask for donations to keep on developing. WE AS THE COMMUNITY WHO USE AND HAVE USED THIS ROM DONATED so that development could continue. You just keep digging a bigger hole for yourself.
The only embarassing responses are yours.
You poke at the bear and you're gonna get bitten.
Your arrogance is showing, big time. I suggest you quit while you're ahead.
Mine and the rest of XDA's tolerance has shortened for the likes of you.
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Absolutely embarrassing response.
Lock this thread and change the rules already, there are devs out there that deserve to get paid
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And as far as I can work out, Josh and Zach are amongst the first of these Devs.
Could you please zip it and clear the area? If anyone is making people leave XDA - it is YOU. and only YOU! No one else. Not Josh, not Zach. YOU.
Just take a look at what have you done? You crippled two threads with your rude posts and useless futile discussions. I think suffering with pneumonia would be more tolerable than replying to your pathetic posts.
As I've said... Don't post here. This guy doesn't understand the sense of a community. I still hope this guy gets banned as a statement from XDA.
It would be time to protect devs and not such user, who has no value to this community. I've never seen him to help or support development in any way.
With this post he blames the mod, who already handled this topic, Josh as Dev and the whole community, who's trying to help and support each other.
And just to say. I've donated to this campaign on a free basis. And what I do with my money, that's my thing. Do you believe you can decide, what people are doing with their money ... You are simple-minded and conceited. If you think another Dev should receive a donation... Than donate. I believe you've never donated more than 1 dollar to any of them. So just let others do, what they want and mind your own business.
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The dev who asked for money is @joshuous (Oneplus 3 & 3T dev) and the moderator who helped is @Magnum_Enforcer.. and possibly @Sam Nakamura
A simple timeline of things:
1) Dev's rom (VertexOS) didnt have an update since September
2) "Suddenly" dev breaks his phone, and asks for donations
3) @Magnum_Enforcer deletes the message, and reminds him of rules
4) Dev says he wont continue development without a phone
5) Another user posts a link with a used phone at 200$ (i think from Swappa) and prompts other users to donate, many users agree
6) Users donate to the dev, dev thanks users for donations and says he will continue development .
Of course the majority of messages got deleted eventually by @Magnum_Enforcer (or maybe @Sam Nakamura)
So my question is Are devs allowed to ask for users to donate for a phone so they can continue development?
If this is not the right place to post this, please redirect me to the right thread
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I have looked into this and absolutely no rules have been violated.
8. Donations.
As a user, you're allowed to ask for donations in your signature as a thank you for your hard work, however donations up front are not allowed. This forum is about sharing and not about getting paid to do something... that is what your job is for.
The developer never demanded donations. The community rallied to help at their own free will.
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Hi people,
I'll get right to it. If you're here, I am assuming you're into flashing ROMs and customising your device to get that peak performance, If I am right then this post is for you. If you're fine with the stock experience then you can skip this post, go buy that phone, it's worth every cent.
I loved the phone from day one and still do, the issue lies not with the phone but with the community.
The prime means of communication for this group is Telegram. There is an "official" Vince group where users and devs discuss issues share files etc. At least that's what I'd hoped when I joined the group. Never have I ever been so wrong.
It's anything but a group in harmony, there are about 4-6 admins, and only do 2 of them behave responsibly, The rest are just drunk on the power of being an admin of a telegram group (It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.).
Admins use ban kick and mute freehandedly and unreasonably, Anyone with a different opinion to the admins no matter how respectfully put forward will surely grant you a warning (/warn).
To be honest, I wouldn't care so much, all my previous devices I never had to join a telegram group because I didn't need to. The devs were open and communicated via XDA itself, problems were resolved at a reasonable speed (not that they were obliged to) and honestly, if a ROM works there's really no need to contact the admin, you wouldn't find this case with Vince, there'll be bugs and when you report them, hold your breath for the warn.
I still strode forward, overlooking these shortcomings of the community (mainly admins but users are at fault too), Here's your average day on the group.
Until one day, the admins had a bright idea to set an automated response to whenever anyone wrote "best"
They used the meme from Black Panther (The relation is still unknown) with the photoshopped head of the Prime Minister of India.
day
It didn't follow the outrage I expected thankfully but rather 2-3 people politely asked the admins to remove it. On refusing the argument heated a bit
At this time I'd had enough. I was getting tired of these obnoxious people trolling the entire community day in day out. The sad thing was the trolls were the admins...
And of course he couldn't take his own advice, not surprising tbh
Further admins promote snake oil techniques which have 0 benefit, which includes
1) Disconnecting and reconnecting battery to fix idle drain ... (what even?)
2) This is a real gem, I'll just post a screen of it
Also realise how admin's don't follow the rules themselves, but failure to follow the rules on your end is an insta-ban.
This is the state of the community of Vince, the development is even more lagging, All Oreo roms are basically cosmetic changes on but the same rom, they'll have the same issues bugs drain. There's one developer working on pie who comes on telegram and cusses the entire community for not trying his ROM, I get it, they are not obligated to work for the device and I appreciate it, but I as a user am not obligated to test a buggy ROM on my daily driver, I am sorry.
Only the community can fix this, bring the change they want to see, stop treating admins like they are God's so they can walk all over you, or let them and let the situation stay the same.
Peace oot.
Every ROM here in XDA has it's own thread where you can get instructions and help from other forum members. You don't need to be in a Telegram group for that.
Please take the drama elsewere, thread reported.
But what devs do with devices doesn't mean with buy or not a device, I joined too to telegram group, but I thought is not a ordened way to share things, so I left it.
no no, he does not talk the forum badly -
this is about the R5 + (Vince) ... and diesbzgl. are all Rom's a big disappointment ... whether listlessness, half-heartedness or inability ...
that's another chapter.
but VERY disappointed you can be !!!
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This is not the right place for a thread like this. Please feel free to take up concerns with people in the correct channels, but XDA is not the place for Telegram issues.
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