Note 4 still a good phone? - AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4

Note 4 still a good phone? - AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 4

I picked up my first Droid phone, a ZTE Zmax 2 from AT&T which is a $80 off contract go phone. Being impressed with Android I decided to return it and shop for something more powerful. I found a brand new in retail box AT&T Note 4 for $320 on eBay from a slickdeals post. Is this phone still good enough to last another year or two and is there anything better for the same money?

Don't buy it if you're looking to root it. This phone has been out for a year and a half and no one had been able to get a permanent root. I personally love this phone. I used to root and flash android phones obsessively but lost interest. I'm not using this phone as it is out of the box. I disabled tons of the crap that came on it so my battery life it pretty damn good. Several people report bad battery life though. The reason I bought it is because I'm a teacher and coach, so having the ability to write on the phone with the stylus is worth it if nothing else. It's really about what you're looking to use it for. It is a good price for it if you ask me...

Thanks, no plans to root it. I'm coming from Windows Phone Lumia 1520 (loved but no apps). My main requirements are nice screen, decent processor, physical or capacitive home buttons instead of onscreen, and a fingerprint reader for under $400. It came down to either this deal or the Honor 5x at $200. I still may buy the 5x and send one of the two back.

I had a problem once with the fingerprint scanner. This is actually the second Note4 I've had. I had to exchange the first one within 2 weeks of owning it for a camera problem, but the one I have now is great. On the first one I had, I set up the fingerprint scanner and it worked initially but after a few days it gave me an error and the scanner became unusable. I had to factory reset it to get it to work. I haven't used it on the one I currently have. Remember, the scanner on this phone requires that you slide your finger instead of just placing it on the button.

I saw that and likely will not use the reader for login but I am hoping many apps allow it such as banking and my password app.

Starting to get screen burn in.Have had it year and a half . Disappointed with that.Everything else works.
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m.bob said:
I picked up my first Droid phone, a ZTE Zmax 2 from AT&T which is a $80 off contract go phone. Being impressed with Android I decided to return it and shop for something more powerful. I found a brand new in retail box AT&T Note 4 for $320 on eBay from a slickdeals post. Is this phone still good enough to last another year or two and is there anything better for the same money?
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My two cents. [emoji16]
Note 4 has been the best note series this far. Note 5 is great but they took away done things like the removable battery and micro SD expansion, IR blaster.
These features I can't live without.
Note 6 is going to offer some of them so if I get micro SD expansion and the IR blaster I may get the note 6.
But note 4 will be a phone that will be functional for another 1 or 2.... I've had it over a year now. And I still find new things about what the phone can do.
I'm waiting for android 6.0 update on the note 4 from att.
As the other posters points out
... root is a problem wit att phones.
Bit other variants of note 4 i.e. t mobile version, has a root.
Good luck in deciding.
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AT&T: Note 2 or HTC One?

TL;DR? Read the title. Nitty-gritty is below.
My Verizon contract is done in May. But I have a deal where I can go to AT&T for free. That being said, at $88 a month on vzw, does it really make sense to wait for the new round of galaxy devices? The money I'd save leaving Verizon would pay for the phone in full by that time. I've got nothing to use on AT&T in the meantime.
It makes economic sense to leave vzw as soon as I can. That being said, the HTC one is coming out in a few weeks, right at the end of my billing cycle. My first and only smartphone has been this thunderbolt. I'm accustomed to HTC and sense. But the lack of swappable battery and SD card slot is something I'd consider a drawback. I can also trade in this tbolt for $100 with their trade in incentive program.
But of all the phones out right now, the Note 2 is the one I want. It just seems to be the perfect phone. I'm just worried about getting it so late in the game. I bet AT&T still charges full price for it too, probably $300 on contract, right? If I got a note, I'd probably want to sell it and put the proceeds toward the note 3, when it gets here...if it isn't 6 inches like the rumors say.
I care about rooting and flashing ROMs. I'd have smashed my bolt by now without those things. HTC seems to be locking down their stuff a lot these days, and if not them, then the US carriers. Is sammy any better?
Seems like the cheapest thing to do would be to ditch vzw asap, and score a HTC One and cash in on $100 for my old tbolt. And while I generally like HTC (wife has a HOX), I can't help shaking the feeling that I should get a note instead.
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I would wait for the S4 announcement. Then decide between that and the One.

Yes, wait until the S4 announcement and buy a used S3 on craigslist to carry you over until GN3. The sd card, replaceable battery, and S Pen are 3 important features. The LCD screen on HTC One X is one feature over GN2 but maybe a non issue with future GN3. BTW, GN2 has a ton of incredible developers on XDA.
I own the GN2 and HTC One XL through ATT. The GN2 is all I use.
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I'm always in a time crunch and end up with HTC because of it. I wanted the SGS2 in march of 2011, but at the time there were no signs it would be on Verizon, and we all knew unlimited data would be getting canned soon. So, I took a thunderbolt instead.
Now it appears to be the same problem. See, I'm not a "gets a new phone every three months" kinda guy. I have my phone for two years. I want those two years to be as tolerable as possible. Before ICS "officially" came out, my Tbolt felt like crap. Only now with an official release is it finally great again. Honestly, I could stay right here for awhile now, and be good.
But I'm cheap. I want to stop paying Verizon immediately, and start saving. To that end, I need something that'll work on AT&T. The line's there, the upgrade's there; it just seems silly to wait. You might be right about picking up an interim phone.
I just wonder if the note 2 will be valid for two years starting now? I also don't like how AT&T is still charging $ 300 plus a two year agreement for these things. Maybe I should get the one (probably $200 on contract), take advantage of the $100 trade in offer, and sell the one when the note 3 comes out...
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What determines to you whether or not a phone is still valid? I, like you, am planning on my next phone to last 2 years. The phone I have now is still valid in my opinion because the developer forums are very active even today. I think this phone will be more relevant two years from now than the HTC One. Like others said though, at least wait until the GS4 announcement, that may bring some price drops on the Note 2.

At the rate they are going now I don't think htc will be there to support anyone in a year or two.
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MmmmBeeeeer said:
What determines to you whether or not a phone is still valid? I, like you, am planning on my next phone to last 2 years. The phone I have now is still valid in my opinion because the developer forums are very active even today. I think this phone will be more relevant two years from now than the HTC One. Like others said though, at least wait until the GS4 announcement, that may bring some price drops on the Note 2.
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+1
Also remember gadgets change every year! That's how company's make money. But besides that, they're making the chips smaller & smaller! So that just means bigger and better things for us. As of right now the screen of choice is going to be HD on everything, that's coming out. So depending on if you want LCD, Slcd, OLED, or Pen Tile displays. There's all going to be different in that aspect. So if you can hold out, which is what I'm telling my girl to do. But she may wait fir the GN3! Hey on 3/14 we'll know what the S4 is about :thumbup:.
My buddy builds the lasers that makes all our gadgets.
Check this video out a lil something that they do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLNsYecX_2Q&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Note: Those new machines he's working on those now! 24/7 chip making
Wow...
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What determines to you whether or not a phone is still valid?
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Dev support is part of it. The thunderbolt forums were getting pretty sparse until ICS dropped. My phone was laggy, had modest battery life, and was seemingly stuck on gingerbread.
Specs might be somewhat less important now, but in 2011 phones were still becoming more powerful by an incredible factor. That seems to have slowed a bit of late. I don't know when a quad core phone with a big battery and 720p resolution will become obsolete.
Surely the ability to switch batteries and expand memory should prolong its life. But purchasing the one, besides potentially being cheaper, seems like a safer bet on the time/obsolescence scale. At this point the note 2 is somewhat old.
I really don't think we're witnessing the death knell of HTC any more than we are Apple's. They just aren't a household name to noobs like "the galaxy" and the "iphone." For what it's worth, I like HTC, and have to imagine them as the number 3 company that makes smartphones after Sammy and Apple.
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I'm going to say wait until the S4 announcement later this week. If you can get a chance to play with the One in store then do so. I don't know how it would feel in your hand compared to the Note 2. I personally am going to wait until the S4 or the Note 3 because I think Samsung is the leading manufacturer for Android phones in terms of overall experience. That being said the note 2 has a badass battery and I don't think that the One will be anywhere close to the note in that regards but let's see.... Only time will tell..
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Why get the HTC One now? They're going to release a HTC One+ 1-3 months from now like they did with the One X. Stick with Samsung :thumbup:.
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I use the S-Pen and the note function on my SGN2 constantly ... it is my most used feature on the phone. I'm not going to try and understand what you need ... but, you should. I wouldn't buy a phone without the pen and note function ... but, you might be different. Decide if you need the note functions on the Note 2 ... if you do to be productive ... then your decision is already made. Wait a few days to see the Galaxy 4 ... just in case it gets the S-Pen. ATT just started selling the Note 2 in October. It may be a while before the Note 3 arrives.

UCSB said:
I use the S-Pen and the note function on my SGN2 constantly ... it is my most used feature on the phone. I'm not going to try and understand what you need ... but, you should. I wouldn't buy a phone without the pen and note function ... but, you might be different. Decide if you need the note functions on the Note 2 ... if you do to be productive ... then your decision is already made. Wait a few days to see the Galaxy 4 ... just in case it gets the S-Pen. ATT just started selling the Note 2 in October. It may be a while before the Note 3 arrives.
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NOTE 3, well most likely b out this year also. Rumoured to b 5.9- 6.3 inches. But time will tell us all, what's in store for us. And things to coming soon!!
So we just have to wait & see
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NOTE 3, well most likely b out this year also. Rumoured to b 5.9- 6.3 inches. But time will tell us all, what's in store for us. And things to coming soon!!
So we just have to wait & see
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Note 2 refurbished is now $9.99 on Att online. Of course this is 3 days after the return of period on my New one!

With the refurb offer, hmmm. If I take that, then I retain my 'bolt...which I would have traded in for HTC'S one deal. This way I keep the phone and can sell it with the accessories, mebbe for more on swappa...
I know it's refurb, but I usually roll with insurance anyway...
Very very tempted here...
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.

The Note 2 refurb is actually $0.99 today only while supplies last. I ordered one a couple hours ago.

As long as I have access to the community's knowledgebase, then I don't see how a refurb could be bad. (famous last words,eh?)
What do you suppose the most common reason for returning a Note 2 is?
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Dannar said:
With the refurb offer, hmmm. If I take that, then I retain my 'bolt...which I would have traded in for HTC'S one deal. This way I keep the phone and can sell it with the accessories, mebbe for more on swappa...
I know it's refurb, but I usually roll with insurance anyway...
Very very tempted here...
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.
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Actually, for anyone who's worrying about this being refurbished, they will definitely replace the phone in question with a brand new model if problems do arise. My mom bought an iPhone 4 (refurbished) a few years back and it didn't work correctly from day one, so she brought it to the Apple Store and they gave her a brand new one. My Samsung Galaxy S II (refurbished) fried itself right before my 90 day warranty ended and I took it to AT&T and they gave me a new one.
My point is, if you can get a MUCH better deal on a refurb, don't hesitate to get it because AT&T/Apple/whoever will replace it if it does have a problem and you will probably end up with a new phone anyhow.

Dannar said:
As long as I have access to the community's knowledgebase, then I don't see how a refurb could be bad. (famous last words,eh?)
What do you suppose the most common reason for returning a Note 2 is?
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So did you end up buying it? Please say you did!
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Should I get one?

I'm currently driving a T-Mobile SGS2. Obviously, I don't do cutting-edge phones I'm seeing the Note II (used) on ebay for ~ $200-$250 which is in my price range. So, should I pull the trigger? What are the minuses for this device?

I had used this phone for over two years and this phone is awesome. For me there were no minuses for this phone but lots of newer phones come with few pluses.
Buying second hand phone is always a risk but who knows you may end up with a perfect phone but that's the risk you ll b taking.
I read somewhere that this phone will get the lollypop update so you should be good. I m currently using a note 4 and it has few additional features which I hardly use but again this is just my preference. The only reason I switched to note 4 is because I got it via my office.
There were quite few people with this phone who had their EMMC damaged just by itself and this is something to take in to consideration when buying a two year old phone.
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ciphercodes said:
I had used this phone for over two years and this phone is awesome. For me there were no minuses for this phone but lots of newer phones come with few pluses.
Buying second hand phone is always a risk but who knows you may end up with a perfect phone but that's the risk you ll b taking.
I read somewhere that this phone will get the lollypop update so you should be good. I m currently using a note 4 and it has few additional features which I hardly use but again this is just my preference. The only reason I switched to note 4 is because I got it via my office.
There were quite few people with this phone who had their EMMC damaged just by itself and this is something to take in to consideration when buying a two year old phone.
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Thanks! I almost always buy used. You're rolling the dice, but most folks are honest. I wasn't aware of EMMC damage, I appreciate the warning.

Iv been using my note 2 for 2 years now no issue , i formatted my phone like a 100 time on my side i like it

I have been using the Note 2 for some time as my weekday work phone (I usually switch to a Moto G 2014 on the weekends). I have also flashed mine numerous times (usually 1-2 times a week...I can never settle on a ROM). I am pretty happy with Slimkat 4.4.4 the most...the device is outstanding IMO.
I have thought of upgrading to something else and had a Nexus 6 in my hand at the T-mobile store...the sales rep was acting shady about the whole deal though (I wanted the 64GB version and he was dancing around the availability) so I walked away. I think at this point I would upgrade to a Note 3 (I do not need the heartrate/fingerprint scanner that the Note 4 has) which aside from using slightly more premium materials, its almost the same device.
...right now, they have the refurb Note 2 on T-Mobile's website for $240.00 or $10.00/month.

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...right now, they have the refurb Note 2 on T-Mobile's website for $240.00 or $10.00/month.
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$240 sounds pretty good for a refurb...

I love my 2yr old Note2 also. Its still a pretty powerful phone. When I first got it I was made fun of for having such a big phone... guess I was trend setting.
But my opinion is probably step up to a Note 3 or something not so outdated.
Also download the OfferUp app ( I have No affliation with this app) its like a yard sale app. I see Note 4s in my area for $400 and Note 2s anywhere from $150-$200 ... always negotiate.

Just Bought a Verizon Note 4 ... Did I Make a Terrible Mistake?

I already have a Note 3 but would love to try a Gear VR. Finally found an okay price for a Note 4 on craigslist today and was excited to give it a go. I'm on tmobile but my verizon Note 3 functions just fine so I thought I'd "upgrade."
So far ... I kind of hate it.
The fact that this phone can't be rooted (because of Verizon?) wouldn't be quite so depressing if it weren't for the hideous pastel colors staring me in the face every time I pull down the tool bar or open a menu ... Yes I've installed a custom launcher but it doesn't change the 80's era color scheme ... This is 2015. I can't choose the background color on my own damn phone? Really?
I had my Note 3 setup the way I wanted it to look with a rom that gave me a lot of options, and going from having control over aesthetics to having basically no control over them is a shock. Like moving from a house you own and can paint any color you want to an awful pastel apartment that you can't paint because the landlord won't let you.
The lockscreen. I liked the option on my Note 3 to pick the effect when unlocking my phone. The rippling water effect was my favorite. Now I have ... no such option? The choice to change it seems to be grayed out?
The heat. Running low graphic Cardboard apps and the back of this phone seems to be getting awfully warm awfully fast. Haven't tried anything really intensive yet but I'm already worried about heat.
Speed. Not notably faster (no pun intended) than my customized Note 3. Apps that were slow on the 3 ... are still slow on this phone. Menus seem to open at about the same speed or possibly even slower.
Pixel density. I thought having a higher resolution screen would mean less visible picture structure ... Not really seeing it. I can look at my two phones side by side and unless I zoom in, there is not that much visible difference in image quality, except ...
The one good thing:
The camera. Took a couple of photos and am really impressed by the amount of detail that shows up. Definitely a big leap over the camera in my Note 3 ...
But ... I'm thinking maybe I should sell this to someone else on craigslist and go back to my Note 3.
Anyone else have a similar reaction? Am I missing something here?

Honestly only you can answer that question. In regards to root, only DE have it as far as I know for any carrier. If you HAVE to have root, then it might have been a mistake.

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Honestly only you can answer that question. In regards to root, only DE have it as far as I know for any carrier. If you HAVE to have root, then it might have been a mistake.
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Actually the Note 4 on Sprint and T-Mobile are both rootable. Verizon and AT&T are the a**holes here. Actually @Haints you just made the same mistake most other people did. You didn't do the research before you spent your money. Because I've been practically living in this forum for 4 years I've seen the day when Verizon would lock a phone down to where nobody would be able to root it coming. I bought a Note 4 Developer Edition.

What a terrible corporate policy. WHY do they do that? Well, I've learned my lesson. I will never buy a Verizon phone again. ( Scratch that. Sounds like you never really "own" a Verizon phone to begin with, since they lock it down to keep the OS the way they want it. I will never ... rent a Verizon phone again?)
I did figure out how to change the lock option, and I do like the phone, apart from the choices I'm locked out of ... but having freely owned a phone before, I can't forget what that feels like. So f*ck Verizon.
And yes, Stuey, I did err by not doing my research here. The Verizon Note popped up on craigslist at a good price and I jumped at it. My mistake.
Thanks to you both for responding!

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What a terrible corporate policy. WHY do they do that? Well, I've learned my lesson. I will never buy a Verizon phone again. ( Scratch that. Sounds like you never really "own" a Verizon phone to begin with, since they lock it down to keep the OS the way they want it. I will never ... rent a Verizon phone again?)
I did figure out how to change the lock option, and I do like the phone, apart from the choices I'm locked out of ... but having freely owned a phone before, I can't forget what that feels like. So f*ck Verizon.
And yes, Stuey, I did err by not doing my research here. The Verizon Note popped up on craigslist at a good price and I jumped at it. My mistake.
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You're not the only one. It's heartbreaking to see this happen to so many people. The Verizon Note 4 forums are depressing. Pretty much all of us plan to leave Verizon someday. The only reason I'm still with them is T-Mo and Sprint suck so bad around here. I'm just hoping for them to improve some.
The reason they do it is because locking them makes them more secure. All of the big corporate and government accounts like them that way. Hackers are becoming more of a problem. Verizon makes a lot of extra money because they are more secure than the others. We'll probably all lose our rootable phones soon.

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You're not the only one. It's heartbreaking to see this happen to so many people. The Verizon Note 4 forums are depressing. Pretty much all of us plan to leave Verizon someday. The only reason I'm still with them is T-Mo and Sprint suck so bad around here. I'm just hoping for them to improve some.
The reason they do it is because locking them makes them more secure. All of the big corporate and government accounts like them that way. Hackers are becoming more of a problem. Verizon makes a lot of extra money because they are more secure than the others. We'll probably all lose our rootable phones soon.
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I've already given up.
I've been stuck with the Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 4 ever since it launched last year...I bought it right as it came out, expecting that it would get root at some point like previous phones.
Every single day I've visited these forums, patiently waiting for a permanent root. I have so much pent-up frustration over waiting that I recently splurged on a 128 GB Frost Huawei Nexus 6P and permanently canceled my Verizon contract. I gave up.
I've been a loyal Verizon customer since 2007 with previous phones rooted and I just couldn't stand it anymore. I'm sick of being treated like a child not being able to do what I want with a phone that I purchased with MY money.
I hope they realize that they're going to be losing loyal customers like me at a rapid pace over digging their heels on this ridiculous policy.

I preordered the retail version at upgrade price ($300) and sold it a month later for $590 after giving up on waiting for root. Then paid an extra $110 for the developer edition. So I paid for a developer edition for $410 instead of $700. I wish I thought about this once I got the phone to sell it for more but overall I still came out on top. The DE Note 4 is the best phone out right now on Verizon. Nothing compares, yet. And I still have unlimited data but I hear they are changing the price to $50 a month for people who are grandfathered in D:

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I've already given up.
I've been stuck with the Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 4 ever since it launched last year...I bought it right as it came out, expecting that it would get root at some point like previous phones.
Every single day I've visited these forums, patiently waiting for a permanent root. I have so much pent-up frustration over waiting that I recently splurged on a 128 GB Frost Huawei Nexus 6P and permanently canceled my Verizon contract. I gave up.
I've been a loyal Verizon customer since 2007 with previous phones rooted and I just couldn't stand it anymore. I'm sick of being treated like a child not being able to do what I want with a phone that I purchased with MY money.
I hope they realize that they're going to be losing loyal customers like me at a rapid pace over digging their heels on this ridiculous policy.
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I'm sure there will be more like you.
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I've already given up.
I've been stuck with the Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 4 ever since it launched last year...I bought it right as it came out, expecting that it would get root at some point like previous phones.
Every single day I've visited these forums, patiently waiting for a permanent root. I have so much pent-up frustration over waiting that I recently splurged on a 128 GB Frost Huawei Nexus 6P and permanently canceled my Verizon contract. I gave up.
I've been a loyal Verizon customer since 2007 with previous phones rooted and I just couldn't stand it anymore. I'm sick of being treated like a child not being able to do what I want with a phone that I purchased with MY money.
I hope they realize that they're going to be losing loyal customers like me at a rapid pace over digging their heels on this ridiculous policy.
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Unfortunately, VZW doesn't care. People who root their devices make up a small percentage of their customers. VZW is more concerned about promoting safety and security.

I was an iPhone user up to the release of iPhone 6. Decided to get Samsung Galaxy Note 4 (verizon) because of easy access to change battery. (As each new iPhone model made seems to make it more difficult.) I've had the Note for over a year. I keep telling myself that I'll get used to it. I haven't yet. I hate it! I fight with it every time I want to do a simple task. On top of how confusing it is to use compared to iPhone. Battery drains fast. Screen turns on randomly. And now any app I try to install from google play AND amazon app, it just hangs saying, "installing.........."-google play. And "install pending........"-amazon. It's been like that for 48 hours now. WTH? I have 10 gigs free'd up. I restarted app, restarted phone tried searching Forums. YES, I hate this phone. And if Samsung drops support on this phone, I'm going to drop my support for Samsung products.

Yeah you screwed up just like the rest of us. I came from ATT, who are assholes by the way, and am pretty much gonna dump Verizon when my contract is up. I will buy my own phones from now on, no more carrier branded, locked out , **** phones like this one. The Note 4, when locked down, is actually a turd. its slow, it crashes and pretty much just all around sucks. Root would make this a great phone, but there will never be root until long after this phone is ancient and useless.

They say Android 6 will fix the issues that Android 5 caused. The Note 4 with Android 4.4 ran good. The latest word is Android 6 will come in February.
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They say Android 6 will fix the issues that Android 5 caused. The Note 4 with Android 4.4 ran good. The latest word is Android 6 will come in February.
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By that time the Note 4 will be an ancient turd. I liked my Note 2 waaaay better than this piece of garbage.

Anyone having second thoughts about their pre-order?

Especially if you could only get the 32gb version. I have the onpelus 3. Good device. How do you think the Pixel XL will be better? I think the camera is a big plus for it. Maybe faster software updates, although not sure how fast the updates were on the latest nexus devices.

Here I've been using an OP2 and I can't wait to change of device...
My OPO was great, my OP2 suck since I got it with all the cheap hardware problem.
I'm going with a 32gb Pixel Xl, I won't miss that 32gb less than my OP2. I can't wait to be on our Android, using PA ATM but it's not perfect.
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Lucky for me i get to go to a CPW on release day so if my unit has not shipped by then ill go in store and pick one up and if not i might just not bother all together, my 6P is still fine

Cancelled my 32 Silver for a 128 black. I heard that the white front might not be best for VR and I got worried about space having a 64 6P currently.

Second thoughts.... sure it is going to cost me $1300 with the taxes.
I think twice about spending that much cash.

I pre ordered. But now I see the v20 on B&H with a tablet (as a gift) for 870. No taxes.
We are talking about $100 difference and you get a tablet that you can sell for another 100$.
The v20 has great sound, camera, screen and Nuget.
So at this point I don't know.

No HD Voice for the Pixel on AT&T is a big drawback for me. Just found out that AT&T won't activate that feature for off-carrier phones.

Dropped off my Note7 on Friday at the AT&T store, using an S7 Edge for now (so similar to the Note7 but not at the same time). Ordered the Pixel XL that same evening (Black/128) without a second thought. The only thing I will regret, aside from thinking the Note7 was the best looking phone but that ship has sailed, is Samsung Pay. I have been using it since getting the Note in August and I love it! I wish Google had purchased that company that patented MST technology....it's the shizzle!!

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No HD Voice for the Pixel on AT&T is a big drawback for me. Just found out that AT&T won't activate that feature for off-carrier phones.
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This is pretty big as I'm on AT&T as well. Did you cancel yours.

I just canceled my Pixel XL 128 GB. T-mobile has an offer for the LG V20 for $550 after trade -in of my old phone. I get B&O headphones for free and even could get a tablet for free. For the pixel I would have paid almost 1,000 bucks and nothing on the Pixel would rectify that price difference. For 550 I can sacrifice some "features" like Google assistant etc.

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Dropped off my Note7 on Friday at the AT&T store, using an S7 Edge for now (so similar to the Note7 but not at the same time). Ordered the Pixel XL that same evening (Black/128) without a second thought. The only thing I will regret, aside from thinking the Note7 was the best looking phone but that ship has sailed, is Samsung Pay. I have been using it since getting the Note in August and I love it! I wish Google had purchased that company that patented MST technology....it's the shizzle!!
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You just tapped the card swiper or something like that? I think I tried it a year ago with the s6 but wasnt accurate at all for me.

I ordered the 32GB XL and I am a little worried that I didn't get enough storage, but I had a 32GB Nexus 6 previously and it wasn't a huge deal. I just need to be careful about deleting old TWRP backups and photos that have been backed up to Google Photos. I will only regret my purchase if the storage speed sucks, even though it has UFS 2.0. Google has been so terrible about storage performance, but the switch to UFS 2.0 should hopefully address that problem. As long as that's good to go, I will feel as though it was money well spent.

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You just tapped the card swiper or something like that? I think I tried it a year ago with the s6 but wasnt accurate at all for me.
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Samsung Pay has worked flawlessly for me, I use it almost everyday and most days multiple times. Grocery stores, WaWa's, gas stations, only place it didn't work is in a small waffles and ice cream store called Nina's. Great waffles but they use one of those attachments to an iPad and it didn't recognize the card.

the only problem with Samsung pay is they were/are slow as hell at expanding it, they have been talking about it since the S6 for the UK and it still isn't out here, so coming from my Note 7 I won't miss it because Samsung never got round to actually bringing it to Europe unlike Android Pay, so really MST or not I would probably not even look at Samsung Pay now, for me atleast that shipped sailed a long time ago.
as for having second thoughts, since I had to return my Note 7 this is the only phone I can see as a replacement and I need something to get off the S3 that was the only phone I could scrounge to use while I waited for the network to actually sort out what it is doing (it still hasn't about 4 or 5 days after taking my phone off me, no surprise I am changing network)

No none at all.

Birdsfan said:
Dropped off my Note7 on Friday at the AT&T store, using an S7 Edge for now (so similar to the Note7 but not at the same time). Ordered the Pixel XL that same evening (Black/128) without a second thought. The only thing I will regret, aside from thinking the Note7 was the best looking phone but that ship has sailed, is Samsung Pay. I have been using it since getting the Note in August and I love it! I wish Google had purchased that company that patented MST technology....it's the shizzle!!
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Been using android pay on my N6P and it's a breeze,obviously needs to be supported by your bank etc but works great
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combat goofwing said:
Been using android pay on my N6P and it's a breeze,obviously needs to be supported by your bank etc but works great
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Yeah works great at the small number of merchants that accept NFC payment. I've been using Google's version for years, I still have a $20 Google gift card for using Google Wallet back in like 2011 or so. My point is Samsung Pay is far superior because of MST technology. I can use it everywhere a credit card is swiped regardless of whether there is an NFC pad or not.

I tried Samsung Pay 3 or 4 times on my S7E I had. It worked exactly 0 times for me, so I stopped trying.
I think I must go to places with very finicky readers or something.
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jasonblair said:
No HD Voice for the Pixel on AT&T is a big drawback for me. Just found out that AT&T won't activate that feature for off-carrier phones.
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well that is garbage. It uses the same bands. I use numbersync in my Urbane2.

JasonJoel said:
I tried Samsung Pay 3 or 4 times on my S7E I had. It worked exactly 0 times for me, so I stopped trying.
I think I must go to places with very finicky readers or something.
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Occasionally I get a "card could not be read" message but then I reswipe and it goes through. I have had great success with using it, you should try it again. Also I found watching the Samsung Pay tutorial helpful as I wasn't "swiping" my phone which helps the reader pick up the information.

This phone still worth buying in 2017?

Simple question. I asked the same question on another phone I'm interested in, got some good response, am asking it here.
I need a new phone, battery is getting hinky on my HTC One M8 plus the camera is ca-ca and I need a better camera for my job because I have to use the phone's camera quite often.
Out of principle, I simply don't want to spend more than $350 or so for a phone. I toyed with the idea of going over to the dark side with an iPhone, but I'm not going to spend that much money for a phone, I've got other things I need/want to spend money on instead of phones that cost more than some cars I've driven in my life. I'm also too invested in Google's ecosystem and I just prefer Android.
I also need to be on VZW's network. Have toyed with going GSM, I need to stay with Big Red.
Phones within my price range that I'm interested in are an HTC 10 (my last two phones have been HTCs and I've liked them), a Moto X Pure (that's the other phone I asked this question about), a Samsung S7 (all that glass scares me to death, I'm a klutz and the brick-like cases my phones reside in bear that out), Moto G4 Plus or the new Moto G5 Plus (which is having all kinds of issues on the VZW network unless you disable HD calling) — and this one, which really really intrigues me.
I know it's three years old, but I see that there's still a vibrant community supporting it, I've seen people online call it "the best phone Samsung ever made and probably ever will make," and the specs are still righteous compared to newer and flashier phones.
I don't care about new and flashy, my phone is a tool, period, and I need it to work for me.
The Note 4 also apparently is rootable ... I've never owned a non-rooted phone, have never rooted one myself although I've flashed ROMs. (I've got a line on a mint used one running Noble Rom; can anyone tell me about stability of that?)
So after this long-winded drivel, I repeat the question ... this phone still worth buying in 2017?

Depends what you're looking for I guess. If you're looking for a decent phone for around $200, it's decent. Beware the emmc failure error though, these things seem to choke themselves out at either exactly one year or exactly two years after purchase. Not all of them but a large enough percentage that its worth mentioning.
Edit:Also this is anecdotal but I suspect that refurbished note 4s don't have real gorilla glass. I dropped my note 4 easily hundreds of times from around 3 feet, sometimes with some force, with only the s view cover fit a case. The screen never had problems until insurance replaced mine due to failing emmc, then it cracked on the first drop after that.
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Also, if you get it I would use one of the newer note rom TouchWiz ports
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Modtronix said:
Note 4 is very rootable including the V variant many active devs for it. Sprint model here and was an amazon purchase. Been rock solid. Many of the others you mentioned are nice as well. Good luck!
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I think it is as well . great device lotta development and now I saw they go for $149 new . Will it hang with the Note 8.....no of course it won't it is almost 5 yrs old now but it at 149 unlocked its less than 1/8 th the projected price of the note 8 .

There are lots of reasons to love the Note 4. Replaceable battery, holds up to 256GB micro SD, IR support, big bright screen, rootable with Magisk support, great ROMs from anything from nearly stock to basic 7.11 versions. If you like to use your spen, get a Touchwiz ROM.
I bought my first one on the day of release. Since then, I've bought nine more over the years for friends and family. All (except one) has been rooted and are running newer ROMs. The holdout is my daughter who thinks rooting is bad. Kids, you can't teach them anything ... ugh! However, they are difficult (shall I say tricky) to root, it's well worth it. I bought the N7 when it was released. Had it two weeks. Hated the 'edge' because I would pull that out accidentally, or couldn't close with the X because my finger was right on the edge. I was sorta glad to return it. Needless to say, I bought a refurbished N4 on Amazon and several more since then. My neighbors wanted new phones, but didn't want to pay $600+ for them. I talked them into the N4 and set them up. They love them, but don't use half of the features. Newer phones are slimmer, not as wide, but that never bothered me. The only reason I would want a newer model would be for more RAM, however I like having the extra cash in my pocket, so I'm perfectly happy and will continue with the N4 series as long as I can.

Note 4 well worth the money!
I definitely recommend the note 4 it is an amazing phone best phone i have ever had! You will be very happy if you do decide to purchase im rooted and using twrp and custom rom! I also read a article talking about how people have decided to stick with the note 4 instead of upgrading to note 5 or 7 this is because the note 4 was way ahead of its time because of the harware that is used in it. The phone has a very good processor i highly recommend this phone!

i bought an LGV20 this week, thats going to be sold, and the note 4 will continue to be my daily driver...at least until the note 8 comes out

This phone is spectacular. I have 2. Never any problems at all outside of my own rooting quandaries. Only complaint is front facing cam. I'm not into selfies but if I get decent haircut and I want to remember it or just notate something stupid like my teeth for my own personal use, the front facing cam sucks.

prw94 said:
Simple question. I asked the same question on another phone I'm interested in, got some good response, am asking it here.
I need a new phone, battery is getting hinky on my HTC One M8 plus the camera is ca-ca and I need a better camera for my job because I have to use the phone's camera quite often.
Out of principle, I simply don't want to spend more than $350 or so for a phone. I toyed with the idea of going over to the dark side with an iPhone, but I'm not going to spend that much money for a phone, I've got other things I need/want to spend money on instead of phones that cost more than some cars I've driven in my life. I'm also too invested in Google's ecosystem and I just prefer Android.
I also need to be on VZW's network. Have toyed with going GSM, I need to stay with Big Red.
Phones within my price range that I'm interested in are an HTC 10 (my last two phones have been HTCs and I've liked them), a Moto X Pure (that's the other phone I asked this question about), a Samsung S7 (all that glass scares me to death, I'm a klutz and the brick-like cases my phones reside in bear that out), Moto G4 Plus or the new Moto G5 Plus (which is having all kinds of issues on the VZW network unless you disable HD calling) — and this one, which really really intrigues me.
I know it's three years old, but I see that there's still a vibrant community supporting it, I've seen people online call it "the best phone Samsung ever made and probably ever will make," and the specs are still righteous compared to newer and flashier phones.
I don't care about new and flashy, my phone is a tool, period, and I need it to work for me.
The Note 4 also apparently is rootable ... I've never owned a non-rooted phone, have never rooted one myself although I've flashed ROMs. (I've got a line on a mint used one running Noble Rom; can anyone tell me about stability of that?)
So after this long-winded drivel, I repeat the question ... this phone still worth buying in 2017?
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I got my Verizon Note 4 about 2.5 years ago and I still like it a lot. I did have the failing motherboard problem, but Samsung fixed it completely for only $70. It's working great now and I'm hoping to keep using the phone for at least another two years.
So, yes, I would certainly consider buying another Note 4 today. The only caution I would take is to make sure I bought a brand new one. Otherwise you are likely going to be buying someone else's phone with a failing, or soon to be failing, motherboard. Perhaps a phone that has been refurbished by a very reputable company could be acceptable (e.g., from Samsung, or Verizon), but I would want to make sure it has a very good warranty (preferably much longer than 90 days). I definitely would not buy a used phone that is being sold as-is (even if the buyer claims it works fine).
I have seen new Note 4 phones advertised on Amazon for about $300. Refurbished phones seem to be going for about $200 (but I think the extra $100 is well worth the cost for a new phone).
I've never rooted my Note 4. It sounds like versions from some carriers are easier to root than others. If you are on Verizon it sounds like it may be rootable, but it is more difficult. I would read the Verizon specific threads on rooting the Note 4 if you intend to buy a phone specifically for rooting. Personally I really don't feel the need to root the phone. For me it works fine (although I do use a custom launcher so I can customize the look and feel). I also disable any bloatware that I never use. Unfortunately you can't completely remove the bloatware without root.

The Note 4 is still an amazing phone whether you want to use it stock and unrooted or whether you want to root and flash roms. Be advised tho this particular model is a pain in the rea to roo but keep at it and you'll get it done no problem.

Personally? I can't find a phone to replace it. For me, I'm network flexible, and I've considered a V20 on TMO, but honestly I can't find a reason to switch. Rarely if ever do I feel like I need more ram, and that's basically the only significant feature that the v20 would pose for an upgrade. And I'd miss EVERYTHING ELSE about the samsung. Reasons to buy it? Cheap, plenty of power left in the processor/ram category IMO, REMOVEABLE BATTERY (this is something I can't stress enough for me personally. And I can not stand that newer models don't have it.) IR support (why would they get rid of this, why?! why?!?!) and its TWRP/root capable. Again, something I can hardly stand to live without. My phone is ad blocked, xposed, etc... I'll be eating out and I'll start changing TV volumes and my friends just get this WTF look on their face... And I can't find a newer phone to beat it, that has all the same features, and can still be TWRP. My opinion? Yeah, it IS the best phone, and maybe the last GOOD phone samsung ever made. I know there's tradeoff arguments to be made. But they'll drag me to the grave with my note 4. No way I'll be switching until the last boat leaves the dock, and the phone simply can't function in society any more. Hopefully by then, there will once again be another option with removeable battery, IR, TWRP.... but we can only hope.

For what its worth, I switched from a note 4 to the v20. I miss the stylus occasionally but there's a solution for screen writing included with the phone. I like the v20 more
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I've had mine since about 6 months after release. It was a decent phone when it was still locked, but once we got root, it became a phenomenal device. I've been eligible for upgrade for over a year, but I haven't seen a new phone I'm willing to replace it with. Getting hard to find removable batteries and SD cards. I'm curious about the upcoming Pixel 2, but mostly I'm just hoping my phone will last forever.
At this point, if it dies, I'll probably hunt down another Note 4.

I think the note 4 has been a decent phone. I purchased mine new in 2015. It's always had a really poor camera that dosent auto focus without shaking it repeatedly (common issue). It's also had a round of boot looping, which could only be corrected with a factory reset. After boot looping and other random crashing issues where it suddenly powers off. I've decided to move to an LG v20. P. S. You can buy a brand new note 5 for 259.

For fun, thought I'd drop in now that 2018 is looming.
I love my Note 4 (T-Mobile). I'm a flashaholic, and there's plenty out there (though my ext sd card makes Marshmallow roms my preference, since Nougat keeps wanting to reformat the 128g sd I have in this thing!).
I've flashed a few dozen different roms on this thing and it doesn't mind at all. Bought it used off ebay (I didn't know about the emm memory mess back then, which would have given me some pause even if ebay does favor the buyer). But it runs perfectly for me. I use a rubber case because I'm paranoid.
Reasons I really like this phone?
1. big screen.
2. durable.
3. REMOVABLE battery.
4. External SD card slot (at least 128g works just fine, maybe even more?)
Reasons to not go with it?
1. Ya gotta have the newest and shiniest.
2. Small but real possibility you'll run into the emmc memory issue (if you do, get your money back from whoever sold the phone to you and/or chuck it in the trash - game over).

I love the Note 4 and was thinking about rooting it. It's the longest I've ever had a phone. Been about 3 years now and it still runs strong for daily use. Most people don't even use a phone for its full potential. It's a tool for their social media, snapping a few pics, browsing the web, paying some bills (which we all hate), getting directions, etc. As a daily driver, it's been great and I can't find a reason to upgrade to a flashier new phone for $800 plus. I'm the type that if it still works well, then there's no point in replacing it. It still performs as well as middle of the pack models even 4 years after it's release. And the 515ppi 5.7" screen with 2k quality doesn't make the phone feel dated at all. Only the style of the phone feels dated but most of us have a case on it anyway. So hopefully with a new 3220mah battery and a root, this phone will last me a little longer since it still does what I tell it to and with T-Mobile LTE, which is nearly 2 times faster than Sprint, and WiFi through Verizon Fios keeps it snappy and feeling smooth.

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