Do i need a custom Kernel to get that capability?? I have a OTG cable that works for connecting a mouse, keyboard, thumbdrive etc and it has a port for power but the tablet does not recharge.
So i'm wondering if i need a custom Kernel or maybe the cable is defective or something.
If you know of one of those cables that work, please let me know.
Thanks in advance.
I have this cable out of China:
treetop777 said:
Do i need a custom Kernel to get that capability?? I have a OTG cable that works for connecting a mouse, keyboard, thumbdrive etc and it has a port for power but the tablet does not recharge.
So i'm wondering if i need a custom Kernel or maybe the cable is defective or something.
If you know of one of those cables that work, please let me know.
Thanks in advance.
I have this cable out of China:
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I use a Otg Cable with an Usb Stick and a Usb Mouse,works fine with 4.4.2 and 4.2.2 with Stock Kernel
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I use a Otg Cable with an Usb Stick and a Usb Mouse,works fine with 4.4.2 and 4.2.2 with Stock Kernel
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And also charges simultaneously? That's what the OP is asking for.
Slimport adapter outputs HDMI signal and lets you charge the tablet simultaneously, but besides that... nothing else on stock ROM I imagine.
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And also charges simultaneously? That's what the OP is asking for.
Slimport adapter outputs HDMI signal and lets you charge the tablet simultaneously, but besides that... nothing else on stock ROM I imagine.
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Bummer! That's what i was afraid off.
Hello I have the same problem! : (
I installed the tablet in my car but you can not use the charger + OTG simultaneously.
You have to wait for someone to change the KERNEL as they did for the Nexus 7.
mannyy said:
Hello I have the same problem! : (
I installed the tablet in my car but you can not use the charger + OTG simultaneously.
You have to wait for someone to change the KERNEL as they did for the Nexus 7.
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Nice setup! :good: That's exactly what i want to do. I can connect a mouse and thumb drive but no power. I was trying to work-out how to use a switch or relay or something to switch between otg and power but i haven't came up with anything yet.
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Nice setup! :good: That's exactly what i want to do. I can connect a mouse and thumb drive but no power. I was trying to work-out how to use a switch or relay or something to switch between otg and power but i haven't came up with anything yet.
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Hi everyone,
I had same problem!
My pad is rooted, 20b, stock kernel, Finally, find out solution.
I bought IBUFFALO usb with AC power around 15USD. 4 Slots for USB 2.0 and 1 double micro usb. Worked with mouse, Bluetooth keyboard, external drive with USB 2.0 only, usb 3.0 not work. Just for your info.
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... I was trying to work-out how to use a switch or relay or something to switch between otg and power but i haven't came up with anything yet.
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Difference between normal and OTG USB cable is that OTG has pins 4 (sense) and 5 (ground) shorted and on regular cable pin 4 is not in use. If you put a switch between these two pins you can switch between regular USB cable for charging and OTG for connected devices.
Some apps can be found on Google Play Store that claim to be able to switch between or enable simultaneous OTG and charging, but most are for specific devices or group of devices, none for G Pad 8.3. Most promising is maybe Faux123 Kernel Enhancement Pro (3.77€ and requires Root+Busybox+SuperSU).
Too bad our tablet has no secondary charging port (like Sony has magnetic charging port for example), but least intrusive would be to use powered USB HUB, let it power the connected devices so the battery drain on the tablet will stay low.
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Difference between normal and OTG USB cable is that OTG has pins 4 (sense) and 5 (ground) shorted and on regular cable pin 4 is not in use. If you put a switch between these two pins you can switch between regular USB cable for charging and OTG for connected devices.
Some apps can be found on Google Play Store that claim to be able to switch between or enable simultaneous OTG and charging, but most are for specific devices or group of devices, none for G Pad 8.3. Most promising is maybe Faux123 Kernel Enhancement Pro (3.77€ and requires Root+Busybox+SuperSU).
Too bad our tablet has no secondary charging port (like Sony has magnetic charging port for example), but least intrusive would be to use powered USB HUB, let it power the connected devices so the battery drain on the tablet will stay low.
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Thanks for that - Very good info! Allow me to pick your brain a little more: Looking at the cable i have (in the OP), do you think that by just connecting an external power (red and black) to the cable just before going into the tab would work somehow to give it power.
It's intreging what you said about being able to switch from regular USB (that can supply power) to OTG just by jumping those wires. I'm trying to picture something in my mind to accomplish what we want but the "light bulb" haven't came on yet - any suggestions?
I want to use the tab in the car PERMANENTLY so i need a way to charge it while behind the dash. I would want to use a mouse as well so OTG is a must.
In any case, i'm going outside right know to split open that cable and see how it's connected inside, maybe then the light bulb will come on in my head.
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Thanks for that - Very good info! Allow me to pick your brain a little more: Looking at the cable i have (in the OP), do you think that by just connecting an external power (red and black) to the cable just before going into the tab would work somehow to give it power.
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Try it out, you got the cables!
When pins 4 & 5 get shorted the tablet may be configured only to output power, not receive it. I have only OTG adapter cable and the supplied USB charging/data cable, so I cannot test this stuff.
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It's intreging what you said about being able to switch from regular USB (that can supply power) to OTG just by jumping those wires. I'm trying to picture something in my mind to accomplish what we want but the "light bulb" haven't came on yet - any suggestions?
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I would buy micro USB male plug, some heat-shrink tubing with glue, switch (3A) and split OTG adapter or HUB. Cut off the male plug fom the adapter, solder on the new plug to the adapter cable as normal USB, solder on the switch to pins 4 & 5 of the plug, check it for continuity and shorts, test it on the tablet, if good - secure the new plug to the cable with heat-shrink tubing.
EDIT: Possible solution with resistor described here
Our device, if it can be tricked this way, may require different resistor from the one used in the tutorial (usually in 36KΩ-200KΩ range).
Ok, I'm chopping it up! I spliced-in the red and black wires from a USB cable into the OTG cable (in the OP) and sure enough the tab gets power. However, it no longer detect the mouse or any thing else (kind of expected). Tomorrow i will try bridging pin 4 and 5 and see what happens. If that don't work, i will try the resistor. :fingers-crossed:
I have read that devices on OTG get polled regularly, but charging is not, i.e. if you start charging and after that short the pins 4 & 5, it will continue charging and you can use your OTG devices. Hope this holds true to the G Pad as well.
Isn't micro USB a "standard"....??
Then GEEZZ why do one manufacturer thinks it's ok to eliminate a pin completely! i assume that when i pay for that cable, i will get ALL 5 PINS even if one is not connected - rip-off! :laugh: This manufacturer not only didn't connect pin 4, it was eliminated completely; stopped me in my tracks! Fortunately, i have an extension that have of all things ALL 5 WIRES CONNECTED! Imagine that! But now, i don't have any time to chop-it-up until tomorrow. With the 5 wire cable, i will short the yellow and black wires but I'll check here first to see if I'm warned against it.
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Hi manny your car kooks awesome. I have one question. How you connect your speakers from the car with the G Pad. iam also interested to built a GPad in the car !
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Yep weneed more info on this as i would like to fit my pad in the van,, how did you get fm radio on there.
Nothing good to report. Connecting the power wire to the OTG cable and shorting the 4&5 pins does nothing different. I can have it charging and when i disconnect power, it then detects the mouse (that's a good thing) but when i plug the power back in, nothing happens! Ideally it would disconnect the mouse and start charging again but no-go. Having the 4&5 pins shorted or not makes no difference.
Still have a couple things i will try before i give up, one is the resistor and the other is a more simple OTG cable.
Will report back.
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Nothing good to report. Connecting the power wire to the OTG cable and shorting the 4&5 pins does nothing different. I can have it charging and when i disconnect power, it then detects the mouse (that's a good thing) but when i plug the power back in, nothing happens! Ideally it would disconnect the mouse and start charging again but no-go. Having the 4&5 pins shorted or not makes no difference.
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I understand that you would want the cables all hidden behind the dash in a car and can't be connecting and disconnecting plugs all the time, at the most just flip of a switch should make things work. The resistor trick would be ideal, if it works.
What's the exact sequence you did things in?
- Mouse and charger connected to the tablet simultaneously with pins 4 & 5 not shorted, tablet charging - short pins 4 & 5 - what happens?
- Only charger connected, pins not shorted, short pins and then connect mouse...
- Mouse and charger connected to the tablet simultaneously with pins shorted, mouse working - unshort pins...
- Only mouse connected, pins shorted, unshort pins and then connect charger...
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I understand that you would want the cables all hidden behind the dash in a car and can't be connecting and disconnecting plugs all the time, at the most just flip of a switch should make things work. The resistor trick would be ideal, if it works.
What's the exact sequence you did things in?
- Mouse and charger connected to the tablet simultaneously with pins 4 & 5 not shorted, tablet charging - short pins 4 & 5 - what happens?
- Only charger connected, pins not shorted, short pins and then connect mouse...
- Mouse and charger connected to the tablet simultaneously with pins shorted, mouse working - unshort pins...
- Only mouse connected, pins shorted, unshort pins and then connect charger...
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I would have to record in what sequence i do things to remember but it seem i have done every combination possible. I do remember doing these sequences after a fresh reboot of the tablet and BTW i made a simple cable out of a know working (single) OTG cable and splicing-in the red and black from the cable that has 5 wires connected, leaving the pin 4 wire disconnected and extending a pigtail from the black wire so i could short the yellow and black to hopefully force OTG:
- Power plugged in and mouse plugged-in then plug the cable into the tablet - it detects the mouse but does not charge.
- in the above state, shorted the yellow and black wire - no change.
- separated 4/5 then disconnected the mouse leaving power connected (expecting that the tab will then switch to charge but) - nothing. The mouse did disapear but the tab did not start to charge.
- shorted 4/5 (for ****s and grins) and as expected - nothing.
Again with a fresh tablet:
- with (ONLY) power connected to the cable, inserted the cable into the tablet - it started charging.
- in that same state, connected mouse - mouse was NOT detected but the tab continued to charge.
- with mouse plugged in, shorted 4/5 - no change (charging but no mouse detected)
THIS IS THE IDEAL SITUATION BUT JUST HALF WAY:
Rebooting the tablet with both power and mouse connected and cable inserted, the tab starts by accepting the charge (no mouse) but get this, plugging-out power makes the tab switch to the mouse right away! That would be good except that plugging the power back in does NOT make the tablet switch back to power, in fact, nothing happens, the mouse just continues to be detected.
If i had 2 cables, one only for power and the other only for OTG, i could pull one out and replace it with the other and both functions would work; i don't understand why that same "switching" can be recreated within one cable??
This is beyond me, the last thing i will try is following your sequences to the letter and with the resistor, if that doesn't work - i give up! :crying:
budalageo said:
Hi manny your car kooks awesome. I have one question. How you connect your speakers from the car with the G Pad. iam also interested to built a GPad in the car !
Sent from my GT-I9505 using xda app-developers app
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i have buy a Sony mex bt4000U ... http://www.sony.it/support/it/product/MEX-BT4100U
install in rear a Tablet.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y1QXAsSUtc
and work whith APP REMOTE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEfG3Zdf7HM
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Hey Guys,
I recently bought a Micro to USB OTG cable but unfortunately can't get it to work on my new S Tab(10.5).
I am able to get it to work on my Galaxy S3 phone and old Nexus 7 tab so it appears that the cable works fine. My S Tab is not rooted and currently does have the latest updates. I also ran the OTG checker which verifies that my tablet has the necessary files. When I run the OTG troubleshooter tho it does not appear to be picking up my cable at all.
I originally bought this to use my wired 360 controller on my tablet, the 360 controller and flash memory sticks are the only things I have tested on the cable itself. Like I said above, my S3 and Nexus 7 picks up these 2 devices just fine through the cable.
Anything that I am missing? Any tips/quirks to get this to work?
Thanks so much for your time/help!
P.S. attempted to post link to my exact cable but couldn't because I am a new member.
Are you willing to have device root and flash a custom kernel?
If yes, then my SkyHigh kernel does support OTG and has in-built XPAD (XBOX) controller module and confirmed working by another user. Some games may require you to map the controller with a certain app, some without.
FS support is dependent on kernel. If you are trying to mount NTFS r/w, then you will need to also install Paragon app or navigate to /mnt/ntfs/.... for kernel NTFS r/o
It's possible that it could be your cable. I had problems a couple years ago with an otg cable not working on my Note 2 but working in a couple older devices. It turns out it was because the micro usb end that plugs into the phone was too short to plug in all the way. I'm not sure if it's a new standard or something, but my Note 2, Note 8, S5 and Tab S all seem to have a cable with a longer micro usb tip than any of my previous devices have.
Hold the otg cable next to the charge cable that came with your Tab S and see if the tip of the otg cable is a couple of millimetres shorter. Also plug the charge cable into the tab and notice the way it kind of "clicks" into place when you push it in the last little bit. Now plug in the otg cable and see if it has the same "click" feel. If not, then I'd bet it's your cable. I have an otg cable that specifically states that it's for an S5 and it works perfectly on all the devices mentioned above. I also have a generic otg cable that works on my old galaxy nexus but doesn't work on any of the above devices.
Here's the old thread in case that helps:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=43764083
Thanks for the reply's.
I don't really want to go down the Root road because I have never gone through that process and don't feel comfortable with it at this time.
The cable Micro pin portion definitely doesn't fit as snug as the S Tab charger. The OTG cable actually appears to be longer than my S Tab charger Mirco pin. When plugged in you can tell it sticks out a smidge....The thing with that though, it does the same exact thing on my other 2 devices that work with the cable.
Guess it could be the cable, just hate to send this back and order another and be in the same boat.
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Thanks for the reply's.
I don't really want to go down the Root road because I have never gone through that process and don't feel comfortable with it at this time.
The cable Micro pin portion definitely doesn't fit as snug as the S Tab charger. The OTG cable actually appears to be longer than my S Tab charger Mirco pin. When plugged in you can tell it sticks out a smidge....The thing with that though, it does the same exact thing on my other 2 devices that work with the cable.
Guess it could be the cable, just hate to send this back and order another and be in the same boat.
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Cable or no cable, if you wish XPAD controller, then you'll need the kernel or loadable kernel compiled module. Other features (some I described) also require kernel. ... all requiring root.
Since you've ruled that out, you just need to forget many features that are available with some other devices and move on.
Best of luck.
Unfortunately, I just wasted over $30 on a Valarm IoT OTG Y cable. It does not work at all as a host cable for any USB device on the G4. I was hoping to use the Valarm cable to connect a USB DAC and charge the phone at the same time. The cable will let me charge the phone but whatever I connected to the USB female port is not recognized. If anyone finds a USB host cable that allows charging, please post!
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Unfortunately, I just wasted over $30 on a Valarm IoT OTG Y cable. It does not work at all as a host cable for any USB device on the G4. I was hoping to use the Valarm cable to connect a USB DAC and charge the phone at the same time. The cable will let me charge the phone but whatever I connected to the USB female port is not recognized. If anyone finds a USB host cable that allows charging, please post!
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From what i understand otg goes one way or the other it cant act as a host and carge at the same time. It flips the charging circut to flow out instead of in. Ive been through this on a few phones tried even straight wiring a powerline to the otg itll power the usb device but not charge the phone.
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From what i understand otg goes one way or the other it cant act as a host and carge at the same time. It flips the charging circut to flow out instead of in. Ive been through this on a few phones tried even straight wiring a powerline to the otg itll power the usb device but not charge the phone.
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The manufacturer of that cable clearly states that it'll charge a samsung phone, not confirmed working on a G4 though. Here is the link, http://shop.valarm.net/products/micro-usb-host-otg-y-cable-with-micro-usb-power-for-samsung
I wish there was a way to enable charging using OTG.
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The manufacturer of that cable clearly states that it'll charge a samsung phone, not confirmed working on a G4 though. Here is the link, http://shop.valarm.net/products/micro-usb-host-otg-y-cable-with-micro-usb-power-for-samsung
I wish there was a way to enable charging using OTG.
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Yea me to i have a few devices that hook to my car that drain my tablet and phone batts and it kills me the only other way ive got it to work is hard wire a charger to the phone. But of coarse this is a old throw away gs3 that im talkin bout not my g4. I havnt tried on my g4 yet but its all phone specs has to have dual charging circuts cause they can only flow one at a time. Now some new devices i know. Do support otg with charging capabilities.
When I plug phone via USB into PC running Windows 11 the phone will only charge.I don't get any options on the phone for file transfer and the PC doesn't detect it. Any tips. It's usually pretty straightforward.
maybe a driver problem?
It came down to the cables I was using.
The Huawei cable I use for the 65W charger didn't work. The Huawei cable for the 15W Wireless Charger didn't work. Found another cable in my cupboard (don't know what or where it comes from) but it now works and I get the options for transfer on the Fold and it shows up in PC's file manager.
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Thanks for replying. It was a cable problem.Doesn't seem to like Huawei cables.Very strange.
So the Huawei cable ends are Purple and Orange in colour. Both cables don't work for transfer but only charge when plugging into your PC. The cable end which is White works fine.
Just in case someone else runs into this problem since the phone doesn't come with a charger and cable and you might use your Huawei cables and find you can't connect to your PC to transfer files but only charge.
That isn't new. Samsung had before issue where if you used non Samsung cable the Samsung phone will nag about port was wet, when it wasn't. But now it seems Samsung finally got rid of that limit so charging with any USB C works now. But it seems you need to use original cable for phone when it comes to transfer of files.