As in title, is it possible to use MHL with OTG?
I mean like that : Phone->MHL->OTG, MHL need power to work from what I know, so what about mircoUSB Y cable-> MHL + OTG?
Negative friend. It does not work. Even if you have the connecters, the micro USB can only act as one or the the other at a time.
Thats the ONLY reason I bought an apple magic trackpad (the only bluetooth peripheral with pinch to zoom, yada yada), to control gnex when its pushing mhl to tv. See living digitally for a demo.
But does the device charge, when connected to MHL adapter then?
Yes, the MHL adapter needs to be plugged into a microUSB to function, it does power the phone. And if you are only pushing HDMI out, it should charge.
I have a fast charge ROM&kernel, so it will charge even if using hdmi, bluetooth, dowloading torrents....
Thank you, I just asked, as I will soon get the device, for now I only ordered the extended battery, and desktop dock. Not really want to use the usb port too much, also I dont know if I will need hdmi, btw, the hdmi dock have a usb port, but the dock not mirror the screen, only good for videos, and photos, so maybe it can use otg? I'm not sure, if the usb port only for charging, but again, it not use hdmi all the time, also I guess no good for games, mhl sucks guys, why couldnt they use separate hdmi, like motorola?
Not 100% sure, but I think the USB in the dock is only for charging, check out the reviews.
As for single port, I believe the Gnex, being google's vision for the fututre, is ahead of its time. Its supposed to be all wireless connections soon. Google Smart TV, bluetooth 3 & 4, WiDi, NFC.... see the trend. I'm suprised there are fewer bluetooth peripherals.
I would look at the next motorola phones to see where the future is going...
Has anyone found a MHL cable that also includes a USB OTG port? Samsung reportedly changed from a 5-pin configuration to an 11-pin configuration to allow MHL with USB Host mode simultaneously. Perhaps for a future Desktop Mode?
Has anyone been able to find one of these cables?
Just wanted to update, I believe I found the type of connector that I was looking for, but it is missing HDMI and it is sold out. This essentially could give you PC type connectivity on the S3.
http://www.mobilefun.com/35462-mobile-fun-connection-kit-for-samsung-galaxy-s3.htm
I think we still have a bit of a wait. What you found is essentially a USB OTG hub with some card readers built in. I seriously doubt this will pass through the pins for HDMI to work out of the usb port. We'll see something when this phone finally launches everywhere. It's not even out in the US officially yet
EDIT: Sorry, didn't see the article in the link in the OP. Man.. I might have to get me a GS3 now. I'm quite satisfied with the reasoning for a pin change. =)
Samsung sells 11 pin MHL adapters and USB female to Micro USB male adapters on their accessories page, but I'm not sure if you could piggy back the USB input into the charging port of the MHL cable. I don't see any all in one cables on their site, and the desktop dock is just micro usb/audio. I tried.. =(
Here's what I was looking at.
Old and mostly unrelated. See edit.
I happened to buy what looks exactly like that adapter today earlier at Micro Center. Now, I do have a Galaxy Nexus, but the USB OTG works great with keyboards/usb/mice/hubs; however, I cannot get it to simultaneously work with my MHL adapter. I understand the GS3 has a different pin layout though for MHL - my phone works with my MHL adapter correctly, but I didn't think it would have any change on the USB OTG. I'll most likely be breaking these apart and start tinkering. My goal is to show people how much of a full desktop-like experience I can provide from my phone, since so many people somehow think a GNex or GS3 are inferior to tablets, just because they're smaller... lol
Good luck finding information out on some kind of MHL/USB OTG setup. I'm just trying to provide any information I can from how my situation works with MHL/OTG, since I'm currently on the quest to achieve this myself.
kynolin said:
EDIT: Sorry, didn't see the article in the link in the OP. Man.. I might have to get me a GS3 now. I'm quite satisfied with the reasoning for a pin change. =)
Samsung sells 11 pin MHL adapters and USB female to Micro USB male adapters on their accessories page, but I'm not sure if you could piggy back the USB input into the charging port of the MHL cable. I don't see any all in one cables on their site, and the desktop dock is just micro usb/audio. I tried.. =(
Here's what I was looking at.
Old and mostly unrelated. See edit.
I happened to buy what looks exactly like that adapter today earlier at Micro Center. Now, I do have a Galaxy Nexus, but the USB OTG works great with keyboards/usb/mice/hubs; however, I cannot get it to simultaneously work with my MHL adapter. I understand the GS3 has a different pin layout though for MHL - my phone works with my MHL adapter correctly, but I didn't think it would have any change on the USB OTG. I'll most likely be breaking these apart and start tinkering. My goal is to show people how much of a full desktop-like experience I can provide from my phone, since so many people somehow think a GNex or GS3 are inferior to tablets, just because they're smaller... lol
Good luck finding information out on some kind of MHL/USB OTG setup. I'm just trying to provide any information I can from how my situation works with MHL/OTG, since I'm currently on the quest to achieve this myself.
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I'm not really sure why people think they NEED MHL and USB OTG simultaneously to get a "desktop-like experience". You can already accomplish this with just a plain MHL cable and a bluetooth keyboard and mouse as was demonstrated in the Connectivity Demo video on youtube.
Edit: Actually I just remembered about portable hard drives. If you want to hook up a mouse, keyboard AND hard drive I wonder if you can plug all three into a powered USB hub connected to a bluetooth dongle. Hmm...
I'm looking for a dock with USB OTG, charging and MHL. Maybe some day.
I believe this is already capable. Everything I say here is purely speculative, but what I see is that Samsung moved to a 11-pin connector for MHL and the standard 5-pin is no longer functioning. To call it MHL, they probably have to use the same standards for data encoding... but they simply "moved" the pins.
I put "moved" in quotes because of the way in which a standard 4 pin USB cable works (or 5 pin for our case)... you have a +5V, Ground, Data + and Data - (one data to phone, one data from phone, carrying ALL data). Since our phones still sync via 5-pin cables, this means the 5 pins are still "hot" for data like all other phones. I am presuming, that for the 11-pin connector, Samsung simply added a few more data+ and data- connectors (much like having two or three USB ports on a normal computer) but consolidated the ground/5V reference. I could be wrong, but it would make sense.
Lets call the stock 5 pin data connectors (2 wires) USB1. This is where MHL is conventionally sent through and all sycing can be completed through, 5 pin cable or 11 pin cable. If samsung added two additional USB ports to the single connector, lets say MHL is now over USB2 (wires inaccessible to 5 pin connectors). This frees up bandwidth and COM ports on USB1 and USB3 to use for accessories like a USB hard drive and keyboard/mouse. On a 5 pin connector, however, only USB1 is accessible. The Samsung 11pin to 5pin MHL adapter simply moves the data+/- from USB2 to USB1 (standard 5 pin location), so with the adapter you are syncing/exporting video over USB2 on the phone with a standard 5pin cable.
My thinking is such: If you plug in the OEM 11pin MHL adapter, it will also have access to the standard 5pin USB1 connection. Since USB2 is used for MHL, you can then plug any OTG device into the micro USB connector on the MHL adapter to make use of it. The only problem here is power (or lack thereof). By plugging in a USB hub with a discrete power source, plugging this into the MHL adapter, and plugging in the USB device of choice into the HUB, you *SHOULD* be able to get simultaneous data and HDMI. This assumes they put the standard 5 pins to the connector on the side of the MHL adapter and only wired the HDMI to the USB2 area.
Alternatively, you *SHOULD* be able to plug the micro USB cable from the MHL adapter into a computer, and simultaneously be able to sync files while outputting HDMI video. It sort of just comes down to being able to provide power to the MHL adapter on the +5V pin while using the data pins to access the phone. As soon as I have my MHL I'll figure it out, but that could be a bit. If anybody has access to a pinout from a Samsung 11 pin micro USB that would be helpful too.
Again, just dreaming here. I don't know anything about this, but if I was the engineer at Samsung I would choose this over analog outputs like Apple used for their giant connector.
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I'm not really sure why people think they NEED MHL and USB OTG simultaneously to get a "desktop-like experience". You can already accomplish this with just a plain MHL cable and a bluetooth keyboard and mouse as was demonstrated in the Connectivity Demo video on youtube.
Edit: Actually I just remembered about portable hard drives. If you want to hook up a mouse, keyboard AND hard drive I wonder if you can plug all three into a powered USB hub connected to a bluetooth dongle. Hmm...
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for me at least i already have several keyboards and mice ... none are bluetooth.
I'm looking for the cheapest option available.
I'm just hoping someone releases a cable with 4 plugs:
Male MHL - To Phone Obviously
Female MicroUSB: To plug in charger
Female HDMI - To Display
Female USB - To USB Device
That's all I want... should cost less than $2 to make, just sell it for $20 and I'd be happy.
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I believe this is already capable. Everything I say here is purely speculative, but what I see is that Samsung moved to a 11-pin connector for MHL and the standard 5-pin is no longer functioning. To call it MHL, they probably have to use the same standards for data encoding... but they simply "moved" the pins.
I put "moved" in quotes because of the way in which a standard 4 pin USB cable works (or 5 pin for our case)... you have a +5V, Ground, Data + and Data - (one data to phone, one data from phone, carrying ALL data). Since our phones still sync via 5-pin cables, this means the 5 pins are still "hot" for data like all other phones. I am presuming, that for the 11-pin connector, Samsung simply added a few more data+ and data- connectors (much like having two or three USB ports on a normal computer) but consolidated the ground/5V reference. I could be wrong, but it would make sense.
Lets call the stock 5 pin data connectors (2 wires) USB1. This is where MHL is conventionally sent through and all sycing can be completed through, 5 pin cable or 11 pin cable. If samsung added two additional USB ports to the single connector, lets say MHL is now over USB2 (wires inaccessible to 5 pin connectors). This frees up bandwidth and COM ports on USB1 and USB3 to use for accessories like a USB hard drive and keyboard/mouse. On a 5 pin connector, however, only USB1 is accessible. The Samsung 11pin to 5pin MHL adapter simply moves the data+/- from USB2 to USB1 (standard 5 pin location), so with the adapter you are syncing/exporting video over USB2 on the phone with a standard 5pin cable.
My thinking is such: If you plug in the OEM 11pin MHL adapter, it will also have access to the standard 5pin USB1 connection. Since USB2 is used for MHL, you can then plug any OTG device into the micro USB connector on the MHL adapter to make use of it. The only problem here is power (or lack thereof). By plugging in a USB hub with a discrete power source, plugging this into the MHL adapter, and plugging in the USB device of choice into the HUB, you *SHOULD* be able to get simultaneous data and HDMI. This assumes they put the standard 5 pins to the connector on the side of the MHL adapter and only wired the HDMI to the USB2 area.
Alternatively, you *SHOULD* be able to plug the micro USB cable from the MHL adapter into a computer, and simultaneously be able to sync files while outputting HDMI video. It sort of just comes down to being able to provide power to the MHL adapter on the +5V pin while using the data pins to access the phone. As soon as I have my MHL I'll figure it out, but that could be a bit. If anybody has access to a pinout from a Samsung 11 pin micro USB that would be helpful too.
Again, just dreaming here. I don't know anything about this, but if I was the engineer at Samsung I would choose this over analog outputs like Apple used for their giant connector.
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hi v8bait, are you able to get data thru the micro usb port at the side of the 11-pin mhl adapter? i was thinking of using the motorola lapdock with my s3 thru the mhl adaptor (other then a micro hdmi male connector, the lapdock also has a micro usb male connector that apparently send out power as well as push keyboard/trackpad data upstream) - if it works, we can have an inexpensive "clambook"
Just to recap,
Will this we possible:
Official MHL adapter -> hdmi to monitor.
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>OTG cable> Powered USB hub> USB keyboard & mouse.
In other words, the PC Experience with a keyboard and mouse.
Dont really want to spend the money to buy a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse when the USB ones can work just fine (theoretically).
romulusram said:
Just to recap,
Will this we possible:
Official MHL adapter -> hdmi to monitor.
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>OTG cable> Powered USB hub> USB keyboard & mouse.
In other words, the PC Experience with a keyboard and mouse.
Dont really want to spend the money to buy a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse when the USB ones can work just fine (theoretically).
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I am also very interested in this exact thing. Using USB devices (multiple ones, e.g. plugging a powered USB hub into S III and then plugging them in) but also putting out S III video to HDMI.
However the other workaround is using AllShare Cast. In fact that is the route I'll likely go, because of the other unique advantages of AllShare Cast (i.e. using it for presentations to screens, etc.)
So: has anyone plugged a powered USB hub into S III and used multiple devices? Such as a keyboard and mouse?
I also want to use this S III more as a computer. the other perfect thing I wish I could buy would be a keyboard case, like the one available for iphone, so I can prop the S III up on a kickstand and use a real mini-QWERTY physical keyboard.
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I am also very interested in this exact thing. Using USB devices (multiple ones, e.g. plugging a powered USB hub into S III and then plugging them in) but also putting out S III video to HDMI.
However the other workaround is using AllShare Cast. In fact that is the route I'll likely go, because of the other unique advantages of AllShare Cast (i.e. using it for presentations to screens, etc.)
So: has anyone plugged a powered USB hub into S III and used multiple devices? Such as a keyboard and mouse?
I also want to use this S III more as a computer. the other perfect thing I wish I could buy would be a keyboard case, like the one available for iphone, so I can prop the S III up on a kickstand and use a real mini-QWERTY physical keyboard.
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We're in the same boat; i want to use the s3 like a mini computer too. I think it'd be great for business travel, when i dont really need a laptop during the day but want something when i'm back in hotel room. I'd much rather use hotel TV instead of a laptop because that's what i am used to at home... pc hooked to TV.
I've been planning to use the allshare cast dongle too, but they dont seem to be available yet. I was thinking HDMI out with the allshare.. charging with the wireless charging kit and then keyboard and mouse with USB OTG. My logitech unifying receiver for keyboard/mouse works perfectly i just need the wireless charging and allshare dongle to be released.
For what it's worth I tried a powered USB hub and could not get it to work with the s3.
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For what it's worth I tried a powered USB hub and could not get it to work with the s3.
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Wait so your saying you tried a (a) powered USB hub with a OTG cable connected to the phone or you tried a (b) powered USB hub connected with a OTG cable to the MHL adapter and then to the phone?
If it was (a) then there are some vids out there of ppl using powered USB hubs.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2
So has anyone received their Official MHL adapater and tried USB OTG?
Very interested in this.,,
I'm puzzled that there aren't any more postings about this kind of stuff. I was expecting the GS3 to be easy to use as a "PC" replacement but it seems no one besides us few wanted to do that ? A simple cable should have done it but I'd even be willing to shell out 40-50$ for a decent dock that would do just that
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So has anyone received their Official MHL adapater and tried USB OTG?
Very interested in this.,,
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Me too.
But it is possible to get that this way working:
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S3 -> Mobile Fun Connection Kit -> microusb -> HDTV Adapter TIP (5 to 11 Pin Converter) -> MHL HDMI adapter
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-> USB -> keyboard etc.
Links
http://www.mobilefun.com/35462-mobile-fun-connection-kit-for-samsung-galaxy-s3.htm
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EPL-FU10BEGSTA
Maybe I'm not reading these posts correctly but I am using an usb keyboard and a usb mouse on my S3 with no problems using these two accessories:
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-USB-2-...e=UTF8&qid=1343845994&sr=8-1&keywords=usb+hub
http://www.amazon.com/Micro-USB-OTG...UTF8&qid=1343846045&sr=1-3&keywords=otg+cable
Have my keyboard and mouse plugged into the usb hub and then the usb hub into my usb OTG cable which of course plugs into the S3. Everything's working on my end.
romulusram said:
So has anyone received their Official MHL adapater and tried USB OTG?
Very interested in this.,,
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I have the official MHL adapter and there is no female USB port on it for OTG
badbeat33 said:
Maybe I'm not reading these posts correctly but I am using an usb keyboard and a usb mouse on my S3 with no problems using these two accessories:
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-USB-2-...e=UTF8&qid=1343845994&sr=8-1&keywords=usb+hub
http://www.amazon.com/Micro-USB-OTG...UTF8&qid=1343846045&sr=1-3&keywords=otg+cable
Have my keyboard and mouse plugged into the usb hub and then the usb hub into my usb OTG cable which of course plugs into the S3. Everything's working on my end.
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You are not reading it right.
they want to use the MHL adapter, too.
As far as i can tell, the MHL adapter needs to be in the phone, not a hub. it is all dictated (the output being OTG, or MHL) by the impedance of what is plugged in. It is an either or situation.
Perhaps with a firmware update they MIGHT be able to run both signals and split it.. but i doubt it.
Hi
I had a look at the MHL wiki;
"Samsung’s Galaxy S III/ Note 2 can power the MHL-HDMI adapter (when used with a non-MHL-compatible-TV). Although this can theoretically also be done with the standard 5-pin micro-USB connector, the Galaxy S III's 11-pin connector is believed to be the first smartphone that supports this functionality"
......does anyone know what this means? Can the Note II output the signal to HDMI without using external power.
We all know that it can connect to a regular HDMI socket but the adapter requires external power.
I know that when using a passive MHL cable it does not require power when connecting to a MHL specific HDMI socket. These cables are quite difficult (and expensive) to get hold of but Kanex does one. Furthermore, only very modern TV sets have a MHL specific HDMI socket.
After reading the wiki......I'm now wondering if the Note II can connect to a regular HDMI using a passive MHL cable without requiring external power.....but the wiki is not clear.
Anyone got any ideas?
I've just bought official S3/Note 2 MHL adapter and it doesn't work without external power source.
HDMI standard requires 4 TMDS wire pairs (R, G, B, CLK) plus additional control signals.
MHL uses a single wire pair for data, on which the R, G, B channels are multiplexed. That pair is shared by the USB OTG connection.
So my understanding is as follows:
In order to use a MHL passive cable, you need to have a MHL-enabled TV, and connect that câble on the MHL compatible HDMI port.
Otherwise, the TV won't recongnize the signals.
Currently most TVs are not MHL-enabled. So you need to use a bridge between the device MHL output port and the HDMI TV input, in order to convert the single multiplexed data pair in the 4 data pairs. And that requires powered.
The Question is why do we need an external power supply, instead of using directly the device power supply...
Too high power consumption ? Technical limitations with MHL v1.0 standard ? or No one would like to try that ? ...
Also, for you reference:
The Kanex cable you mention does only work with those MHL-enabled TV, as stated on the product page.
Samsung offers now a new MHL v2.0 adapter designed for the GS4:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/ET-H10FAUWESTA
The new feature with that adpater is the fact that you do not need to connect the wall charger to it (unless you would like to charge the phone).
Although that is clearly stated on samsung's site that this adapter is compatible with GS3 and GN2, that is also clearly stated that only the GS4 supports this new capability because of its MHL v2.0 compliance.
Diim said:
The Question is why do we need an external power supply, instead of using directly the device power supply...
Too high power consumption ? Technical limitations with MHL v1.0 standard ? or No one would like to try that ? ...
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I couldn't 100% confirm that, but after some web searches, that has got clear for me now that it is a MHL v1.0 standard limitation.
MHL standard was derived from the HDMI standard, and was intended to allow a mobile device to send audio/video streams to a display device, while the display device can send basic control command to it. In addition, It was made possible to charge the mobile device thanks to the display device power supply.
So obviously, the standard was designed with a power supply provided by the display, not the phone.
And as for non MHL compatible display device, that seems it was not the first priority. Bridging between the phone MHL output and the standard TV HDMI input was a workaround, requiring an external power supply source.
With MHL v2.0, they have enhanced charging capability, and that seems they have covered the "bridging" case.
MHL v2.0 compliant phones (like GS4) should be able to power supply the bridge adapter. That tends to be confirmed by the fact that the new Samsung MHL adapter for the GS4, supporting v2.0 standard, does not require an external power supply if used with the GS4, but needs one if used with the GS3 or GN2.
Has anyone confirmed whether the Galaxy Note 3 will be MHL 2.0 compliant? I would guess yes, especially if the GS4 is already 2.0 compliant, but I just wanted to see if there was a confirmation of this anywhere. I would love to be able to display to HDTV without the need to separately plug in the power, because many times, the power outlet is not within easy reach of a monitor or HDTV.
I guess we will know for sure very shortly!
Confirmed: GN3 will have MHL 2.0, which should mean that we can connect the HDMI cable directly to the adapter without also having to plug in the power adapter. Woo!