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pros and cons of nexus 7 2013?

everything is great on this new nexus 7.
but what are the cons?

How about some nice light bleeds in corners, or some dust under screen?
Oh wait, you haven't got them, right?
Here comes an update that kills your touch, hahahaaahahahaaa (said Google in Voldemort's most petrifying voice)
What the #$%@@? your touch is still intact...? well I've got an update that will kill your wifi. How about that huh....?

Doesn't have micro SD slot.
Doesn't have a snapdragon 800.
Doesn't have 4GB of ram.
Doesn't have a 4K screen.
Doesn't come with a chicken... Every top stuff comes with plus a chicken.

Pros:
BEAUTIFUL screen. It is gorgeous and very bright. You can't really say that about many tablets. It almost reaches to the level of my old Transformer Prime at 600 nits (it's about 583 nits at brightest)
Fast. This quad core S600-esque processor is so much faster than anything I've had for mobile. It's one of the reasons I upgraded
Cheap. It's $230 or $270. I got the $270 32GB which is roomy enough for my needs.
Long battery. I haven't had it for long, but I can already tell it is going to last almost as long as my TFP.
Small and can be held in a single hand.
REALLY good wifi reception.
GPS that works very well even inside
It's stock Google and will be updated as soon as KitKat or future Android upgrades come out. Plan for 2+ years of upgrades and support.
Loud stereo speakers
Support for practically any 3G/LTE data connection you'd like in the US.
Unlocked bootloader. You can modify anything inside this tablet.
Grippy matte-plastic back.
Sexy look, IMO
Thin and light.
Bluetooth Smart and 4.0 support. This will increase in popularity with wearable Bluetooth devices.
Cons:
Small screen. I think I would be happier with an 8" screen, but it's something I can live with.
No microSD slot. This is something that I can live with, and if you want, you can get a microUSB to microSD adapter.
Non-removable battery. You won't worry about this unless you are truly a road warrior. It should last you till you want to upgrade or longer.
No micro HDMI port. This, again, can be something I live with. You can use MHL I believe if you need it.
No TouchWiz or other OEM skins. Nothing I lose sleep over, just something for those who find the skinned editions of Android better than regular stock.
No camera flash. Doesn't bother me, I don't plan on taking pictures much with this tablet.
A few launch issues, maybe. It seems to be not too big (there are many users who probably don't have problems than the people who complain about it here) and is being resolved fairly quickly.
No vibrator. My hands miss the vibrations of my TFP, but it's ok.
No longer has a secure element with NFC. This means no more Google Wallet or other NFC-banking apps. You can still beam contacts and such. Not a big deal.
No 802.11ac wifi support. This isn't a big thing yet and is still just starting to get into mainstream routers. With the life time of your tablet, you probably won't see many AC routers until 2 years from now, and you probably won't be missing much. People still use .11g standards to this day.
The speakers apparently emit a hiss at low volume due to some digital volume reduction instead of using an actual amplifier.

swisstourist said:
everything is great on this new nexus 7.
but what are the cons?
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Drop tests show no survivals. Get a case or else, which might increase weight and size.
There is only T-Mobile offering Lte in USA. Verizon clueless on imei. Checking at&t Lte again tomorrow, but no tethering regardless.

Cons. Random reboots
Sent from my Nexus 7

usb otg support with stock rom?

With NMI, yes.
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oldtimer42 said:
Cons. Random reboots
Sent from my Nexus 7
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https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/nexus/mG4JXaT-SHs[751-775-false]
And in some cases, even a custom ROM just holds the issue at bay for a while...

For me two things are the keyfeatures:
Price + size. I had an iPad, big tablets are not what I wanted.

owerner said:
For me two things are the keyfeatures:
Price + size. I had an iPad, big tablets are not what I wanted.
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you could get the ipad mini...

swisstourist said:
you could get the ipad mini...
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yea... *price*

I don't think there are any real cons to this tablet. Just personal preferences. Even the speaker hiss isn't noticeable unless you have ear pressed against the speaker. Overall its a very solid tablet.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4

swisstourist said:
you could get the ipad mini...
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And use their locked down OS?!?!?!
Sent from my Nexus 7 (2013) using Tapatalk 4

I've had no problems such as the aforementioned dust or light bleeds. Rooted out of the box, put carbon on it, never had a random reboot either.

The only con so far is that I can't use my 8-bitty Bluetooth gamepad. The new Bluetooth stack doesn't support it.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app

swisstourist said:
everything is great on this new nexus 7.
but what are the cons?
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Here are some cons I am experiencing:
1.) BT unusable while connected to a 2.4 GHz WiFi:
http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/nexus/ORce7P9V4qU
I'll sell mine if they can't fix it.
2.) Ugly downscaling from 1920x1200 to 1728x1080 if using slimport/HDMI:
http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/mobile/cgKZEwu4CZg
"Workaround": Resolution Changer (root access req.!) from play store
3) Bad multi-touch behavior:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2381123
Apart from the display resolution (that's what I've bought it for) and the CPU/GPU performance (I don't care - I'm not a gamer), my old Galaxy Tab 7.7 is much better.
regards
TrashX

Actually if your lucky like me I dropped mine today actually the screen kinda popped loose a little it cut off my heart stopped lol (literally) but I snapped the screen in turned right on I almost cried lol only thing it did was deleted some apps I had weird but no issues now and still looks new
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Is this phone worth it?

Hey, my iPhone decided to break on me, and I've decided to go back to Android. I've been looking at phone sizes less than 5.5" and this phone is one of them. Do you think this phone is worth it or are there any other smaller sized phones? Thanks (And ples give a phone thats atleast rootable)

Rekan_ said:
Hey, my iPhone decided to break on me, and I've decided to go back to Android. I've been looking at phone sizes less than 5.5" and this phone is one of them. Do you think this phone is worth it or are there any other smaller sized phones? Thanks (And ples give a phone thats atleast rootable)
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If you can get the 32gb one for the low $230ish prices that have been going around the last couple weeks, yes.
Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk

I got this phone 4+ months ago after being a long time Galaxy S veteran from the first one to the sixth, and honestly the only thing I regret is the snappy response times on those phones and of course in galaxy s7 micro SD card came back too, so yea!
This phone gives you a pure Google Android experience. Whether you decide to root and/or install custom ROMs is also an option you can decide based on your needs. The Google's repository always has the latest ROM available for you to download and flash away on monthly bases if like to keep up with the updates and do a clean install of a full ROM. And about the over the air updates, if you don't like to wait for the next one to pop up some time, you can also download OTA updates from Google's repository too.
The physical build quality feels more on the cost saving side for Google and LG, and it doesn't feel as the premium phones do, but the plus side is since the back is not glass, it doesn't retain as much finger prints and stays cleaner in general. And it is light in weight.
Finger print reader works marvelously. Every single time.
Performance is good for daily use, average to low for a gamer.
Battery lasts about a day for my daily activities, if I'm on a plane or use it 5-6 hours straight (heavy use with Internet and screen brightness cranked up) I would charged twice a day.
The charging port/data port is USB type C. I had a wtf moment when I opened box and saw both sides of the charging cable having the same type of interface, but oh well. I finally bought a couple of cables for car charges, and computer.
Wifi connection is not snappy. On 2.4 GHz it lags and the ping times vary. 5 GHz connection is more reliable. I've tried using 3 different routers (airport extreme, Linksys ea8500, and a stock Xfinity router) and I've had the same experience. Not a big fan of this part as I've flashed the latest ROM onto this thing just to have a fresh clean install and got the same wifi results.
The screen is HD quality on the medium side (not 4k or retina quality for you coming over from I products) and you can check out the specs too. It is OK.
I'm happy with it in general, so do I wish I waited for the S7, yes, but you can't beat the good price on Nexus 5x either.
It is really a personal choice, but here are a few things I'd to say. It is a trade-off like everything else you buy, but I in general like it.
Sent from my Nexus 5X using XDA-Developers mobile app

Commodore 64 said:
I got this phone 4+ months ago after being a long time Galaxy S veteran from the first one to the sixth, and honestly the only thing I regret is the snappy response times on those phones and of course in galaxy s7 micro SD card came back too, so yea!
This phone gives you a pure Google Android experience. Whether you decide to root and/or install custom ROMs is also an option you can decide based on your needs. The Google's repository always has the latest ROM available for you to download and flash away on monthly bases if like to keep up with the updates and do a clean install of a full ROM. And about the over the air updates, if you don't like to wait for the next one to pop up some time, you can also download OTA updates from Google's repository too.
The physical build quality feels more on the cost saving side for Google and LG, and it doesn't feel as the premium phones do, but the plus side is since the back is not glass, it doesn't retain as much finger prints and stays cleaner in general. And it is light in weight.
Finger print reader works marvelously. Every single time.
Performance is good for daily use, average to low for a gamer.
Battery lasts about a day for my daily activities, if I'm on a plane or use it 5-6 hours straight (heavy use with Internet and screen brightness cranked up) I would charged twice a day.
The charging port/data port is USB type C. I had a wtf moment when I opened box and saw both sides of the charging cable having the same type of interface, but oh well. I finally bought a couple of cables for car charges, and computer.
Wifi connection is not snappy. On 2.4 GHz it lags and the ping times vary. 5 GHz connection is more reliable. I've tried using 3 different routers (airport extreme, Linksys ea8500, and a stock Xfinity router) and I've had the same experience. Not a big fan of this part as I've flashed the latest ROM onto this thing just to have a fresh clean install and got the same wifi results.
The screen is HD quality on the medium side (not 4k or retina quality for you coming over from I products) and you can check out the specs too. It is OK.
I'm happy with it in general, so do I wish I waited for the S7, yes, but you can't beat the good price on Nexus 5x either.
It is really a personal choice, but here are a few things I'd to say. It is a trade-off like everything else you buy, but I in general like it.
Sent from my Nexus 5X using XDA-Developers mobile app
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Wow, thanks, I'm also an ex-Samsung user. Had a lot of their flagships before I brought a 6S, but the S7 for me is asking for too much money, so I'm probably going to go for this phone. Also, how is the camera quality?

Very good photo quality. It is surprisingly good during low light photos. There is also a dedicated thread for photos taken with Nexus 5x, which I found useful when reading about this phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/excellent-camera-t3230797
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Commodore 64 said:
The screen is HD quality on the medium side (not 4k or retina quality for you coming over from I products) and you can check out the specs too. It is OK.
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Actually the 5x display is higher than retina quality (more pixels per inch) and also has more accurate colours than iPhone 6s as shown by Anandtech.
I think we can safely say the screen is better than what's used on the iPhone 6s and surpasses the "retina" base mark for pixel density.

Differences in the Pixel 2 vs Nexus 6P

I noticed two major differences (so far) between my old Nexus 6P and the new Pixel 2 XL (my first Pixel, so I do not know if the Pixel 2 is different from the original Pixel):
- the recovery menu does not have a menu item to clear the cache partition;
- there is no option to require a PIN or pattern before the operating system boots.

I'd like to know also.
Which one has better loudspeakers?
Which one is easier to read under direct sunlight?
Which one has deeper/stronger vibration sensation?
Feels better than the other?
etc.
etc.
etc.
It's really hard to justify $900+ for a Pixel 2 XL just to get water resistance and slightly faster hardware.

CZ Eddie said:
I'd like to know also.
Which one has better loudspeakers?
Which one is easier to read under direct sunlight?
Which one has deeper/stronger vibration sensation?
Feels better than the other?
etc.
etc.
etc.
It's really hard to justify $900+ for a Pixel 2 XL just to get water resistance and slightly faster hardware.
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stevemw said:
I noticed two major differences (so far) between my old Nexus 6P and the new Pixel 2 XL (my first Pixel, so I do not know if the Pixel 2 is different from the original Pixel):
- the recovery menu does not have a menu item to clear the cache partition;
- there is no option to require a PIN or pattern before the operating system boots.
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There is no longer a cache partition on newer versions of android, I believe this goes for all phones running Oreo and up. As for the pin before the OS boots up, I never used or knew about that with my 6P, unless you're talking about having to enter a pin at the lockscreen after boot. I would have to say the 6Ps speakers were a little bit better in my opinion. The Pixel XL 2 is definitely better in direct sunlight. As for the vibration, I feel like both are a little weak but the 6Ps vibration was terrible until it was increased using a kernel tuner, the XL 2 on the other hand is already at 100%, I'd have to give vibration strength to the XL2. The XL2 feels much lighter in my hand compared to 6P. The 6P is also plagued with the dreaded early shutdown issue due to badly manufactured battery, mine used to shut down as high as 50%

2 main points to me are.....the Nexus 6P was a throttling POS with terrible battery life, the Pixel 2 XL is not. Everything else is whatevs.
The end.

I had 6P and it was shutting off randomly. Pixel 2XL was the obvious choice for a replacement. After using it for about 3 weeks, I must say that the battery life is superb, especially compared to the 6P. I would have to use this phone HEAVILY throughout the day for me to drain it out. And the camera is fantastic as well.

The 6P was my first ever Android phone and maybe it was just being new to the Android world in general but I absolutely loved that phone. It did start shutting down around 30% and had some heating/throttling issues, but other than that I loved that thing! Speakers were insanely loud, PureNexus on that was super smooth and stable, and I loved the design of it overall.
Going to the XL right after wasn't too bad except for the partitions causing slower development. Seeing all the stuff available for the 6P, it was kind of a let down not having as much stuff to modify and tweak.
Went to the OnePlus 5/5T and they were good but the camera on the 2XL got me to switch.
Now that devs are more familiar with the A/B layout, development isn't so lacking and it's not too bad on the user's end either. I'm really satsified with this phone, no screen issues like many are having and the blue tint is very slight, so it's a non-issue for me.
All-in-all, I probably could have went from the 6P to the 2XL, skipping the OG XL, but it is what it is. I guess this way I was able to get familiar with the slot layouts myself with the XL, so dealing with the 2XL didn't feel like such an obstacle to overcome.

Triscuit said:
There is no longer a cache partition on newer versions of android, I believe this goes for all phones running Oreo and up. As for the pin before the OS boots up, I never used or knew about that with my 6P, unless you're talking about having to enter a pin at the lockscreen after boot. I would have to say the 6Ps speakers were a little bit better in my opinion. The Pixel XL 2 is definitely better in direct sunlight. As for the vibration, I feel like both are a little weak but the 6Ps vibration was terrible until it was increased using a kernel tuner, the XL 2 on the other hand is already at 100%, I'd have to give vibration strength to the XL2. The XL2 feels much lighter in my hand compared to 6P. The 6P is also plagued with the dreaded early shutdown issue due to badly manufactured battery, mine used to shut down as high as 50%
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I've used iPhone all my life and this Nexus 6P is my first android phone. Got it after I saw the neighbour kid using it.
Damn the speakers are super loud.
The pure Google OS is superbly fine.
Everything is great. I don't have have any battery issue + the fast charging is an awesome thing for someone like me.
BUT, THE VIBRATION SUCKS.
I'm a Motorcyclist. And I loved iPhone for it. The vibration is so deep that you cannot miss a call.
Nexus 6P is fine when I'm driving but any other time when I'm on motorcycle, or home or anywhere the vibration does not even feel in pocket.
How did you managed to increase it?
Any pointers? That'd be very helpful.
I was thinking of getting a smartband to get notified for calls. [emoji849]
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

xplodee said:
I've used iPhone all my life and this Nexus 6P is my first android phone. Got it after I saw the neighbour kid using it.
Damn the speakers are super loud.
The pure Google OS is superbly fine.
Everything is great. I don't have have any battery issue + the fast charging is an awesome thing for someone like me.
BUT, THE VIBRATION SUCKS.
I'm a Motorcyclist. And I loved iPhone for it. The vibration is so deep that you cannot miss a call.
Nexus 6P is fine when I'm driving but any other time when I'm on motorcycle, or home or anywhere the vibration does not even feel in pocket.
How did you managed to increase it?
Any pointers? That'd be very helpful.
I was thinking of getting a smartband to get notified for calls. [emoji849]
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Root it, install a custom kernel like Ex, Flash, or Kylo use the EXKM app, and increase the vibration settings. Done

My take on the 6P vs 2 XL?
I love my 6P running Pure Nexus, Flash kernel, and su, finely tuned. It's fast, reliable, lots of custom options, and I get good batt life for my use (4.5 - 5.5 hrs sot).
My 2 XL is rooted, running Flash kernel, and gets good batt life for my use (4.5 hr sot +/- 30 mins) with no cust rom, and few custom options.
I enjoy the 2 XL way more, it is noticeably faster, and I've nearly forgotten my 6P which is a great device that doesn't need upgraded even running a 6 month old Cust Rom.
Could you live with the 6P and save $800? Sure.
But man could've just stayed on the earth looking up at the moon too... I'm really glad we went there!

Badger50 said:
Root it, install a custom kernel like Ex, Flash, or Kylo use the EXKM app, and increase the vibration settings. Done
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Haha. I have no idea how to do all that and mainly the fear of messing up the phone.
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

xplodee said:
Haha. I have no idea how to do all that and mainly the fear of messing up the phone.
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Follow this guide, and you'll be all set :good:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/guides-how-to-guides-beginners-t3206928

Nexus 6P was absolutely horrendous with outdoor viewing. Even with brightness all the way up it was abysmal to read in sunlight.. Pixel 2 XL blows it away.
Nexus 6P as mentioned before was a throttling heat generator
Nexus 6P battery was garbage
Nexus 6P loud speaker was terrible
The oleophobic coating wore off quickly and the phone became a smudge magnet.
Nexus 6P on T-Mobile was annoying with modem randomly deciding it doesn't want to connect to the mobile network anymore due to band 12 ****ery and requiring a reboot to connect to the mobile network again.
Nexus 6P didn't age gracefully that's for sure.

What I'd really like to know is if the 6P with the "high brightness mod" found in kernels (thanks to Flar2) is brighter than the Pixel 2 XL stock max brightness, which will not be getting that mod anytime soon (if ever).
The high brightness mod on my 6P really, really cranks up the brightness and works super well when set to automatic.

CZ Eddie said:
What I'd really like to know is if the 6P with the "high brightness mod" found in kernels (thanks to Flar2) is brighter than the Pixel 2 XL stock max brightness, which will not be getting that mod anytime soon (if ever).
The high brightness mod on my 6P really, really cranks up the brightness and works super well when set to automatic.
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Yep, my 6p with HBM on, is slightly brighten than my P2XL at full brightness. But it's not a drastic difference in my opinion.

Truly and deeply, batter camera, battery life, and battery longevity. The 2XL being a 10nm device puts the power and efficiency double that than the 6p on paper. Real world.... It's better and longer.
All of the other yada yada's:
- Better built
- Water resistant
- Better Dac
- Photo/Video storage
- smaller bezels
Yeah, can't think of anything else that matters you can't do without root.
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Except for diminished battery life I had no real problem with my 6P, but it was good to replace it with the Pixel 2 XL. Booting up the 6P compared to the speed of the 2XL makes me smile on the occasions I do shut down.

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Nexus 6P was absolutely horrendous with outdoor viewing. Even with brightness all the way up it was abysmal to read in sunlight.. Pixel 2 XL blows it away.
Nexus 6P as mentioned before was a throttling heat generator
Nexus 6P battery was garbage
Nexus 6P loud speaker was terrible
The oleophobic coating wore off quickly and the phone became a smudge magnet.
Nexus 6P on T-Mobile was annoying with modem randomly deciding it doesn't want to connect to the mobile network anymore due to band 12 ****ery and requiring a reboot to connect to the mobile network again.
Nexus 6P didn't age gracefully that's for sure.
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Yeah, mine developed battery issues very quickly before it was replaced.
I never had any problems with the 6P band 12 on T-Mobile. I was hoping to see greater throughput on the 2XL but it's generally about the same. There are times when the 2XL outshines the 6P, but I can't say it's consistent.

xplodee said:
Haha. I have no idea how to do all that and mainly the fear of messing up the phone.
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
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It's pretty easy, I'm not super good with this stuff, but the instructions are good to follow. There's a Guide and a Index thread by heisenberg that has everything you will need. The 6P is a fun phone to mod. You should do it

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Haha. I have no idea how to do all that and mainly the fear of messing up the phone.
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Just a warning, if you decide to increase the vibration strength, try not to put it past 75-80% you could damage the vibration motor if you go higher.

Thanks for heads-up.
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

Anyone moved from Note 9 to 3XL?

I own a note 9 and think it’s a great phone, great features but the camera lets it down.
I don’t use the spen much at all so that’s wasted.
I have a itch to get a 3XL but not sure if if should due to the issues with speakers, screen burn and video recording (mic). For the price you pay there should not be any of these issues out of the box.
Just wanted to hear your thoughts and if you have moved from a note 9 to the 3XL, was it a good move?
Thanks.

I actually had the Note 9 and just switched to the 3 XL. I must say I do not regret it. As much as I love Samsung, I did miss my pixel. The software is just so smooth, plus the camera and crazy call screen feature (which was my main reason) make this thing a beast. I must say the 4GB of RAM is my only downside so far. The battery life is nothing like with the Note9 but I really don't miss it too much. The ability to have working root and magisk is so nice. In the end you gotta see what features you're looking for mostly. I don't have any issues with my speakers or with the video recording but we'll see, I only had this baby for a week or so.

I came from the Note 9 about a month ago and have no regrets. As great as the Note 9 is I am enjoying the 3 XL much more. I had the Pixel 1 for over a year and bounced back and forth from the 2 and Note 8 for a while. The thing that really drove me back to the 3 XL was the camera, it's just so much better than the Note 9 in nearly every way. The zoom on the Note is a bit better but not by much. The only things I do miss is pro mode on the camera and headphone jack. But after using this phone I quickly remembered how great pure Android is with the stock phone and messaging apps along with the unlocked bootloader. The other things that were annoying to me with the Note are the curved screen and the taller aspect ratio it has. It's a beautiful phone but far too fragile for the money.
As for your concerns with the speakers Google has fixed them with the December update. Mine were a bit muffled sounding but sound great now. As for burn in I have none. The screen is made by Samsung so that should speak for itself. I do hide the nav bar though. I haven't recorded much video but what I have sounds and looks fine to me, nothing like the YouTube reviews I saw.
I say give the XL 3 a try. I don't think you will be disappointed.

These are the two phones I was trying to decide between coming from my S7 Edge. Being with Samsung for about 2 years, I did enjoy the experience, but I hated the duplicated apps and the software updates. The straight Android experience, same day updates and a great camera, even with this notch the Pixel 3 XL won out over the Note 9 when I put my money down. I do wish however that Google would get their crap together and release features in "North" America when they do and not just America. There is no reason why in Canada we don't have Call Screen yet. My phone is set to US English. Ridiculous. Great phone though so far.

I have both if that counts. They both do things differently and I like both in their own certain ways.
Note 9 does everything decent with exception to the exceptional screen (If you don't get bad uniformity/glue issues like I have). Note 9 screen brightness is crazy good, can see everything even in direct sunlight and colors and viewing angles are the best out there. Note also gives you sdcard, headphone jack, s-pen and a big long lasting battery. Note 9 aspect ratio is a little odd but that is something very minor to me.
Then there is the pixel 3 xl. I bought the 3 xl to use while Samsung is fixing my note 9 and did not expect to love it like i do now! While on paper it looks weak it is not! Cannot hold a candle to my note 9 specs with 512 gb of storage and 8 gb of ram. Pixel screen is decent, not quite note 9 great but clearly acceptable and a lot has to do with brightness just not being the same as the note. Colors are represented well though. Then comes everything else, you don't get sdcard, headphone jack, a fancy pen or quite of big of battery as the note but the camera. The camera with google's software is unreal. I was like it will be a little better then note and I will miss all the note features, NOPE. The camera is out of bounds! The sharpness, the colors, actual representation of your subject is spot on. Then comes night sight, wow it continues to impress. While it may not keep 20 apps all loaded in background with the lack of ram or last quite the time frame that the note does it is a treat to use. There is just something about pure stock android and a camera that is to die for. Also worth mentioning is you can easily root it. Running a kernel, setting up custom color profiles to make the screen look like note, squeeze function for highly used apps and shortcuts is extremely nice. Needless to say I am going to end up keeping both of them for quite sometime! Note for content watching and some daily use and pixel 3 xl for when I need to take photos and some everyday use as well. Hope this helps you

Switched from note 8. No regrets. The only thing I miss is headphone jack.

bigup7 said:
I own a note 9 and think it’s a great phone, great features but the camera lets it down.
I don’t use the spen much at all so that’s wasted.
I have a itch to get a 3XL but not sure if if should due to the issues with speakers, screen burn and video recording (mic). For the price you pay there should not be any of these issues out of the box.
Just wanted to hear your thoughts and if you have moved from a note 9 to the 3XL, was it a good move?
Thanks.
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From my experience with the pixel 3 xl, is you're going to love it except for the battery life. it's average!
Everything else is premium including the screen. Speakers are loud but not as clear as my iphone xs. UI is zippy but does have its stutters sometimes. 4GB is ok, not a deal breaker by any means. The camera is amazing just like everyone says.
Ive compared it to the iPhone xs, and the pixel is guaranteed to get a better shot in all situations.

malek777 said:
From my experience with the pixel 3 xl, is you're going to love it except for the battery life. it's average!
Everything else is premium including the screen. Speakers are loud but not as clear as my iphone xs. UI is zippy but does have its stutters sometimes. 4GB is ok, not a deal breaker by any means. The camera is amazing just like everyone says.
Ive compared it to the iPhone xs, and the pixel is guaranteed to get a better shot in all situations.
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The battery life is very good for me especially for the battery being smaller then note. Yesterday battery went from 100% at 8:30 to 32% at midnight. That's pretty good in my book. Note 9 beats it still by a little but pixel has been great for me for smaller battery size
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oneandroidnut said:
The battery life is very good for me especially for the battery being smaller then note. Yesterday battery went from 100% at 8:30 to 32% at midnight. That's pretty good in my book. Note 9 beats it still by a little but pixel has been great for me for smaller battery size
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That depends on your usage . Last night my battery went from 88% to 68% without using it. I'm going to try a factory reset . But my biggest issue that I've noticed while watching YouTube is that the top notification bar is burnt in to the screen. I'm not sure if this will go away eventually or its permanent.

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That depends on your usage . Last night my battery went from 88% to 68% without using it. I'm going to try a factory reset . But my biggest issue that I've noticed while watching YouTube is that the top notification bar is burnt in to the screen. I'm not sure if this will go away eventually or its permanent.
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You have a photo?? My note 9 screen needs replaced due to screen issues and curious if my pixel will eventually have the same issues. But yeah that's way too much drop without using it. Should drop 10% max overnight without usage. I forgot to plug in one night at 15% late and woke up with it at 5% 8 hours later
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oneandroidnut said:
You have a photo?? My note 9 screen needs replaced due to screen issues and curious if my pixel will eventually have the same issues. But yeah that's way too much drop without using it. Should drop 10% max overnight without usage. I forgot to plug in one night at 15% late and woke up with it at 5% 8 hours later
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I don't have a photo but it's only visible in a dark room. If it becomes much visible, I'll just have to get a replacement.
It seems Google really enjoys sending replacements out ?

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I don't have a photo but it's only visible in a dark room. If it becomes much visible, I'll just have to get a replacement.
It seems Google really enjoys sending replacements out [emoji848]
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Yeah and they sent me 7 pixel 2 xl before I had one with a good screen lol
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OP here. I took the advise and bought a pixel 3 XL.
Must admit, after few hours using it I had it back in the box ready to be sent back as I found it lacking a lot of features that the note 9 had. Main one was lack of notification LED.
Note 9 has every feature under the sun and one gets spoilt with these features.
I then tried the software notification apps like pixel pulse etc but they not that good and were hit and miss
Today I woke up and thought I’d give the pixel a try again and now having used it for the day I do like it very much. I’m using AOD which is fine and a good substitute to the notification LED.
Feature wise is doesn’t have all it all but it has enough and is fast and efficient.
I managed 7.5hr SoT today with AOD on and adaptive battery on aswell which surprised me, I hope it gets better or stays around this figure.
My note 9 is packed and ready to be sold. Yes I will miss the epic screen, audio, no notch, headphone jack, sd card but it was just the software side of things that lured me to the pixel and Timely updates.
I couldn’t get over the poor camera quality of the note 9, such a high end phone with a ok camera.
I welcome the smaller form factor of the XL. It’s noticeable in the hand for sure.
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bigup7 said:
OP here. I took the advise and bought a pixel 3 XL.
Must admit, after few hours using it I had it back in the box ready to be sent back as I found it lacking a lot of features that the note 9 had. Main one was lack of notification LED.
Note 9 has every feature under the sun and one gets spoilt with these features.
I then tried the software notification apps like pixel pulse etc but they not that good and were hit and miss
Today I woke up and thought I’d give the pixel a try again and now having used it for the day I do like it very much. I’m using AOD which is fine and a good substitute to the notification LED.
Feature wise is doesn’t have all it all but it has enough and is fast and efficient.
I managed 7.5hr SoT today with AOD on and adaptive battery on aswell which surprised me, I hope it gets better or stays around this figure.
My note 9 is packed and ready to be sold. Yes I will miss the epic screen, audio, no notch, headphone jack, sd card but it was just the software side of things that lured me to the pixel and Timely updates.
I couldn’t get over the poor camera quality of the note 9, such a high end phone with a ok camera.
I welcome the smaller form factor of the XL. It’s noticeable in the hand for sure.
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Glad to hear you like it! And just turn the notch off on the pixel and you will be fine! But yes I was also disappointed in the camera on the note 9

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I managed 7.5hr SoT today with AOD on and adaptive battery on aswell which surprised me, I hope it gets better or stays around this figure.
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Do you have brightness set at 20% or something?
I have mine set quite high as I hate looking at dim screens, but I never get anywhere near that kind of SOT. If I get to 4 hours I'm really, really lucky.

TheIgster said:
Do you have brightness set at 20% or something?
I have mine set quite high as I hate looking at dim screens, but I never get anywhere near that kind of SOT. If I get to 4 hours I'm really, really lucky.
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I keep mine on 50% or so and can manage 5 hours or so but not sure about 7.5 either
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I get great battery lol

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I get great battery lol
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That's incredible. I get no where close to that. 5.5 max

oneandroidnut said:
Glad to hear you like it! And just turn the notch off on the pixel and you will be fine! But yes I was also disappointed in the camera on the note 9
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I don’t mind the notch to be honest. Got over it quite quickly.

Is the Pixel 2 XL still worth it ?

Hey guys, I was a Pixel XL user during the past one and a half year until my phone got bricked by itself (without an apparent reason) and I'm currently looking to get a new phone. So as mentioned in the title, I'm wondering if it is worth it to get a Pixel 2 XL right now and I would really like to get the opinion of users that have been using the phone for a while.
I have to admit that I was not really fully satisfied with my Pixel XL especially in terms of durability. The battery life became really bad after the first year and I was getting overheating issues especially during summer, not to mention the built quality which was far inferior to other phones that I owned during the same period such as the iPhone 7 plus and the Galaxy S7 edge. The only good side compared to those two phones was the camera and the stock android experience and updates.
I would like to know from you guys if the Pixel 2 XL is still a good phone in 2019, how did it age ? what about battery life ? the screen ? overheat ?
I'm actually really confused between getting a Pixel 2 XL (I can't stand the notch on the 3) or waiting for the Galaxy S10.

Elixir_ said:
Hey guys, I was a Pixel XL user during the past one and a half year until my phone got bricked by itself (without an apparent reason) and I'm currently looking to get a new phone. So as mentioned in the title, I'm wondering if it is worth it to get a Pixel 2 XL right now and I would really like to get the opinion of users that have been using the phone for a while.
I have to admit that I was not really fully satisfied with my Pixel XL especially in terms of durability. The battery life became really bad after the first year and I was getting overheating issues especially during summer, not to mention the built quality which was far inferior to other phones that I owned during the same period such as the iPhone 7 plus and the Galaxy S7 edge. The only good side compared to those two phones was the camera and the stock android experience and updates.
I would like to know from you guys if the Pixel 2 XL is still a good phone in 2019, how did it age ? what about battery life ? the screen ? overheat ?
I'm actually really confused between getting a Pixel 2 XL (I can't stand the notch on the 3) or waiting for the Galaxy S10.
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I have the Pixel 2XL for now 2 months. It's a panda version, the best version with the orange power button it's look so cool.
I had a Nexus 6P during 2 years before the battery life goes down (the nexus 6p's battery symptoms) 90% to 0% in 1sc and a reload time of 30sc from 0 to 100%, and it's not a joke.
I had the choice between a Pixel 3XL or the Pixel 2XL. The 3 is and still expensive but the noth is not a issue for me. But after some weeks some issue appears on the 3XL and at the same time I could have -50% on a Panda version of the Pixel 2XL with a fabric case. My choice was done.
-Great battery life (before the january patch,thx google:crying I was between 7-8h of SOT, now with the january's patch is more like 5-6h.
- Still smooth
-Great camera but it has more noise than the Nexus 6p camera.
-Excellent screen, no burn issue and no blue effect. If you don't pass your time at full brightness, it should be good.
-No overheat (no game installed)
It's an excellent phone in 2019. Even 3 years old, my old and venerable 6P still smooth like the first day.

Its worth it only if you get it cheaper .. I came to Pixel 2 Xl after using many phones .. It has only three pro for me 1) stock speedy software and 2) camera which is excellent( best would be overstatement ) 3) battery is good( 6-7 hour screen on time )
If talk about negatives then
1) Speaker is ok but call quality from ear piece and mic is average ..I struggle to hear other side in noisy environment especially when using WhatsApp
2) limited storage 64GB and others devices with same price often have 128GB and some even support SD card
3) Design is boring
4) Display is bright only when you drag slider to 70/80 percent and even some midrange phone have more bright display than pixel 2 xl
5) get warm when using phone after hotspot is active
Its good device but far from perfect

If your avoiding the notch of the pixel 3xl then if go with the pixel 2 xl till they get ride of the notch.
What I'm waiting for but checkout
Check this out see what you think though see what everything is worth to you.
https://youtu.be/cpIEWsQpRMk
Htc use to be the phone for me but the Nexus and pixel since they gone dual speaker is the best I've come across. Now wish they would add a ir blaster for those moments I can't find the TV/audio remote
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Rajaasim1980 said:
Its worth it only if you get it cheaper .. I came to Pixel 2 Xl after using many phones .. It has only three pro for me 1) stock speedy software and 2) camera which is excellent( best would be overstatement ) 3) battery is good( 6-7 hour screen on time )
If talk about negatives then
1) Speaker is ok but call quality from ear piece and mic is average ..I struggle to hear other side in noisy environment especially when using WhatsApp
2) limited storage 64GB and others devices with same price often have 128GB and some even support SD card
3) Design is boring
4) Display is bright only when you drag slider to 70/80 percent and even some midrange phone have more bright display than pixel 2 xl
5) get warm when using phone after hotspot is active
Its good device but far from perfect
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Boring design ? What color did you have?

Thank you for your advices guys ! I'm sure the Galaxy S10 will be a much better phone in terms of hardware and design but I really got used to the google software especially the camera and google photos with the unlimited storage option. Maybe I should wait until the S10 announcement...

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Boring design ? What color did you have?
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I have balck and white panda version
I meant pixel 2 xl design is simple as compare to fancy design of samsung, Huawei, Oneplus etc
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Elixir_ said:
Thank you for your advices guys ! I'm sure the Galaxy S10 will be a much better phone in terms of hardware and design but I really got used to the google software especially the camera and google photos with the unlimited storage option. Maybe I should wait until the S10 announcement...
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Reason i come back to pixel is because of software and updates..this fludity of software is missing in samsung and even there new software one UI is laggy and i have used all samsumg devices from S7 to S9
If we put pixel software in samsung hardware then that would be excellent device
Sadly pixel always have many basic issues about call quality/display/mic/speaker crackling etc even pixel 3 and 3 xl has some issues..dont know why google dont pay attention to basic functionality when charge premium prices

I came back to the 2 XL from the 3 XL. This is a really good device.
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Yeah, the Pixel 2xl is worth it if you want to save some money. Perfect for those that don't mind not having all the extra features + latest specs and just want a good all-around phone with timely updates, smooth software and great camera. Really good phone if you can get one without any screen issues.
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I've had my Pixel 2 XL since it came out. I've been pretty happy with it.
I like the design, build quality and materials. I think it's much better than the Pixel 3 XL because of the metal back instead of glass and no stupid notch.
Many people have complained about the screen. The screen isn't perfect. It does have a slight blue tint at extreme angles and there is some black crush and black smear at the lowest brightness. However, since I don't use my phone at extreme angles or at the lowest brightness I don't noticed those "issues". When it comes to color I actually prefer the Pixel 2 XL to the Pixel 3 XL. The Pixel 2 XL with "Boosted" color mode looks very life-like but with the Pixel 3 XL it didn't matter what color mode I tried it was still oversaturated.
Camera is fantastic.
Speakers are ok but not great but I don't use the speakers much so I don't care much.
The battery life of my Pixel 2 XL was stellar for the first 3 months but then I had 3 consecutive months of drops in battery life because of updates. Add to that the phone is now 15 months old and now the battery life is just ok. When it was brand new I got as good as 9 hours of screen on time doing basic things like browsing, Facebook, texting, email, etc on wifi most of the time with ~20 brightness with no gaming, Bluetooth, camera, etc and I could go like 40 hours off the charger with that usage. Now, the same kind of usage gets me maybe 6 hours screen on time over a period of maybe 18 hours. Not terrible but not great. On days where I'll be using it heavily(about 20% of my days) with mostly mobile data, taking pictures, streaming over Bluetooth, higher screen brightness (for use in bright sun), YouTube/Netflix, GPS, etc I have to take a battery pack with me which sucks and wasn't necessary for the first 3-5 months.
I did have an issue with the 3.5mm adapter and stock charger not working but it was a software issue that seems to be resolved now.
My only complaint now is the Bluetooth metadata bug that's been a problem since updating to Pie. The February update should be out tomorrow so I'm hoping maybe it will include a fix for that bug.
Overall pretty happy. Still not worth the insane price but no phone is.

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I came back to the 2 XL from the 3 XL. This is a really good device.
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Same here just purchased a brand new 2 XL after having a 3 XL. Actually like the 2 much better. Ended up with Fi promotion and trade-in getting it for $300. Hard to beat, especially when you get a 2 year warranty and two more Android versions directly from Google. Basically means I will probably get a 3 or 4 XL in eighteen months or so for free.

I had a extended sting with the OnePlus and initially that phone had it all. Performance, battery life, awesome gestures. Slowly little things like
1) annoying reoptimization of apps
2) missing very important alerts (home alarm notifications) because of the optimization
3) Lack of response by OnePlus regarding global issues related to
4) TuneIn radio app consistently does not start upon launch due to some connection issue (probably caused by aggressive doze). Persisted even after a factory reset and appears to be a global issue.
5) Lack of response from OnePlus regarding this issue as well.
I went back to my pixel xl 2 and the inefficiency of screen bothered me a bit coming from the OnePlus but since I installed OnePlus gestures (working a lot better than my 1st go round with the app) and I've gotten over that issue
Also i'm enjoying having
1) Always on Display back
2) Phone screen calling to give telemarkerters a taste of their own medicine
3) Better Camera especially with the night sight
4) Faster security updates
5) Faster access to the phone via physical finger print scanner

What is it with all those stories of pixel bricking itself randomly.
This is scary, I've read dozen of those stories

von_block said:
What is it with all those stories of pixel bricking itself randomly.
This is scary, I've read dozen of those stories
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Probably old news. Haven't read or heard such news

Do the 2XL still have the blue Tint issues or has this now been addressed by Google & fixed?

Just purchased one from Amazon for $345 128gb panda, Will be nice to have a backup pixel.

@home said:
Do the 2XL still have the blue Tint issues or has this now been addressed by Google & fixed?
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With the "boosted" mode, no problem for me

I had mine set to boosted but it still had the blue tint.
So have google fixed it?

I don't understand why people keep talking about the blue tint when the black crush is a much much more impactful problem.

von_block said:
I don't understand why people keep talking about the blue tint when the black crush is a much much more impactful problem.
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What is the black crush?