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How quick has LG released updates?

All these snippets of news about the LG G4 I'm reading has got me interested. The one thing that'd put me off is if they really drag their feet releasing Android updates to the phone. How quick has their turnaround been for the G2 and G3? I see that the G2 (now 18 months old) got updated to 5.0.2 which is promising. If they continue to support the top end phones for at least 2 years, then that's awesome news and so much better than Samsung and Sony.
Thoughts?

Techno79 said:
All these snippets of news about the LG G4 I'm reading has got me interested. The one thing that'd put me off is if they really drag their feet releasing Android updates to the phone. How quick has their turnaround been for the G2 and G3? I see that the G2 (now 18 months old) got updated to 5.0.2 which is promising. If they continue to support the top end phones for at least 2 years, then that's awesome news and so much better than Samsung and Sony.
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They've always been really slow with releasing updates, but after 5.0 came out they were among the first companies to release the update. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, the G3 got it before some Nexus devices, which is known for getting the updates first.
Used to suck, but they changed their game around.

well, we'll find out in the coming weeks with 5.1. it's been out for a little while and so far nothing. that's right though, as long as LG is faster than Samsung, they're doing something right...

kp_q said:
well, we'll find out in the coming weeks with 5.1. it's been out for a little while and so far nothing. that's right though, as long as LG is faster than Samsung, they're doing something right...
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Yes it'll be interesting. I think a few other manufacturers have had a few exceptional quick turn arounds for releasing an Android OS update but then fallen back to old ways. It will be interesting to see how long 5.1 takes to come out, if they are quick then I think I'll have my eye on the LG G4 otherwise I may wait for the next Nexus phone. I'm currently rocking a Nexus 5 which I'm really happy about. Still performing great.

Has anyone had a HTC One and moved over to LG? I have been very interested in the LG G4 for a variety of reasons, but have been with HTC since the original Desire, but their cameras have really not been great. What do you like more about the LG? How different is the LG skin to sense? Are you able to achieve S-off? Sorry for all the questions but very interested to know what your opinion is.

Quick question about LG and Android updates!

Hi, I just wondered how LG is at upgrading the Android versions. Like do they come quick? Are they good and mostly bug-free? Etc etc. Thinking about buying the glorious G4 because it's beautiful and I need a new phone. Probably going to run custom roms tho, but if I choose not to I'd like to know how LG is at android-updates

martin9400 said:
Hi, I just wondered how LG is at upgrading the Android versions. Like do they come quick? Are they good and mostly bug-free? Etc etc. Thinking about buying the glorious G4 because it's beautiful and I need a new phone. Probably going to run custom roms tho, but if I choose not to I'd like to know how LG is at android-updates
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I switched from Sammy note 1 to G2 then G3 and now have both G3 & G4. Never need run custom ROM B4. Only Stock ROM and Cloudyfa's Stock ROM. I just love the LG UX.
Now with G4 's UX 4.0 simply awesome. No lagging for me for I only have G4 for 2 days and no root. IDK what to tell you try it don't like it just return it xD. Even my 1 year old low end LG Gpad 7.0 V400 got Lollipop OTA update in April. What to complain when LG USA MOBILE send me a Brand New LG G4 H815 to keep.

Great story, but can you answer the question the Op asked? How quickly do LG put out updates, eg. how quickly did they update from kitkat to lollipop?

Yeah, I'm wondering because it took my Z3 about an eon to update from 4.4.2 to 5.0.1, and that I really did not like. But hopefully this is an easier device to fiddle with when it comes to root and recovery than my old Z3, which was a pain in the butt sometimes. Had a good experience with my previous LG Optimus 4X HD when it came to getting it rooted with custom recovery, but man that phone is so old that it just lags when you barely look at it.

shineyads said:
Great story, but can you answer the question the Op asked? How quickly do LG put out updates, eg. how quickly did they update from kitkat to lollipop?
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How fast? I remember G3 is the first to get Lollipop b4 nexus. The leaked version was out earlier. Here the articles
http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/09/lg-first-with-lollipop-upgrades/
So there.
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How fast? I remember G3 is the first to get Lollipop b4 nexus. The leaked version was out earlier. Here the articles
http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/09/lg-first-with-lollipop-upgrades/
So there.
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True, but also keep in mind (stock) Lollipop for some devices is still FUBAR. For example t-mobile G3.
OP: In the end 90% of the delay in a device getting an update is not the manufacturer, Its the carrier. That's why things like Nexus phones and GE phones were able to get updates fairly rapidly. The manufacturer takes the source, compiles with/against their own custom code and a bit of testing and its done. This should likely take less than 2 weeks after source drop.
What takes so long is carriers with all their bloat (getting it to work) and also making sure they have locked you down enough to make them happy and to keep any lucrative government contracts they have that require a certain immutability of the phones core OS for security reasons. This part can take months. My kids LG Stylo is T-mo branded and the T-mo my account app still crashes all the time.

rogconnect said:
How fast? I remember G3 is the first to get Lollipop b4 nexus. The leaked version was out earlier. Here the articles
http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/09/lg-first-with-lollipop-upgrades/
So there.
Sent from LG G3 D855 Powered by L Speed 2.2
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Thanks for the info... Not sure what the childish 'so there' was about though!

rahlquist said:
True, but also keep in mind (stock) Lollipop for some devices is still FUBAR. For example t-mobile G3.
OP: In the end 90% of the delay in a device getting an update is not the manufacturer, Its the carrier. That's why things like Nexus phones and GE phones were able to get updates fairly rapidly. The manufacturer takes the source, compiles with/against their own custom code and a bit of testing and its done. This should likely take less than 2 weeks after source drop.
What takes so long is carriers with all their bloat (getting it to work) and also making sure they have locked you down enough to make them happy and to keep any lucrative government contracts they have that require a certain immutability of the phones core OS for security reasons. This part can take months. My kids LG Stylo is T-mo branded and the T-mo my account app still crashes all the time.
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That's exactly why I always go for sim-free phones and avoid the networks/carriers - much better chance of getting updates sooner (although I appreciate the short-term expense makes this unavailable to some).

Unless you have a Nexus device, I wouldn't even hope to get updates. The G2 was slow as hell, and only received 1 update ever with TMO.

Updates from LG are really good and fast. I have G3 and I can not complain.

Great story

hopefully lg goes straight to android m

Depends on the device. In the UK no G2s have Lollipop yet. Not even SIM free ones.

[Q] I was thinking of upgrading to the G4 from G3

I'm on Verizon with a rooted LG G3 on 12B (KitKat because Lollipop was terrible) and I was thinking on upgrading to the G4 but there doesn't seem to be much going on as far as development.
All I need is to root the G4, Install TWRP, and enable the HotspotProvisioning.apk hack.
Can this be done on the G4?
Thanks,
-Joe

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I'm on Verizon with a rooted LG G3 on 12B (KitKat because Lollipop was terrible) and I was thinking on upgrading to the G4 but there doesn't seem to be much going on as far as development.
All I need is to root the G4, Install TWRP, and enable the HotspotProvisioning.apk hack.
Can this be done on the G4?
Thanks,
-Joe
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As of now, no. The good thing is root is basically guaranteed, multiple roots actually, meaning once one is patched there is a high probability of another one right after! (according to one of the devs working on this) and a medium chance of a bootloader unlock on the way soon, at least they plan to and there's a lot of good devs working on it so I would personally see it coming eventually. If I were you however, I would wait it off a bit and see what happens, there is also one more factor in play though. According to some other people the newest LG G4 updates will some how "disable downgrading", meaning disable the ability to downgrade your OS, not sure how this would come into play with an unlocked bootloader or what thats supposed to mean, maybe someone else can explain that to you better but from what I understand it just means it will make root/downgrading harder or impossible(downgrading impossible). My point there is in that case it may be better to buy one before that update becomes wide spread but hey, as stated, someone else could explain this better and correct me here if I'm wrong. Alsooo, with a non-root trick somewhere in the Q&A section of the VZW LG G4 forum you can bypass the "Pay us moneyz or no hotspot 4 u" Verizon gig and get the mobile hotspot tether thing via that without having to deal with the crap.

S1L3nTShaDoWz said:
Alsooo, with a non-root trick somewhere in the Q&A section of the VZW LG G4 forum you can bypass the "Pay us moneyz or no hotspot 4 u" Verizon gig and get the mobile hotspot tether thing via that without having to deal with the crap.
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I have a link to that root-free hotspot hack in my signature. Keep in mind that it isn't working for everyone - still trying to figure out why. Worked great on my verizon G4 and my dad's sprint g4.
The G4 is a fantastic phone. I'd buy one up from Best buy right now as they are $549 and you get a $100 gift card for free. Also, if purchased before the end of July, you'll get a free second battery, external battery charger, and leather back. By purchasing sooner than later you'd also probably get a device that hasn't been updated yet - therefor reserving your ability to root when the methods are released in the coming weeks. The Devs have stated that they've found many root methods, so I would bet that you could still root even after taking (or purchasing a preinstalled) OTA update. Also, the anti-rollback code shouldn't matter once we have an unlocked bootloader and can flash our own ROMs.

I came from a rooted G3. In my opinion, it isn't worth upgrading or buying the G4. There are to many issues. Battery life sucks. The G4 is not that much better than the G3. I paid full price for the phone to keep my unlimited plan.
With all that said, I knew there were problems when I bought it. I wanted the free battery and SD card. I think the new promo is even better. It was killing me not to have the new LG. Would I do it again? Yep Will I buy the G5 with all its problems when it comes out? Yes.

Thanks for the replies. I love the G3 but I like to have the latest stuff. Sounds like I need to wait for more development on the G4.
Thanks,
-Joe

FoxFi also works on the Verizon G4.

lg gpad8.3 offical lolipop?

does anyone know if lg will be globally releasing an official lollipop for the wifi variant (v500) ? contacted lg Australia and the rep didnt really know . I tried the Korean lollipop kdz but i didnt like it cause of the Korean region specific additions (remote ,etc). Have other regions received the wifi variant lollipop update ? also has official support for the device stopped ( no new software updates ?) thanks
*searched and didn't find a similar thread so i thought i would ask

If LG doesn't know, there's no way an XDA user knows. People can only speculate.

Probably not. This is a fairly old tablet by now, and as much as I love it, and it still performs smoothly, I ultimately believe LG has stopped support for it. You might just as well use the Korean build and just disable the stuff you don't like, at the end of the day, the only remnants that can't go away are the Won symbol instead of $ on the keyboard shortcuts and the Kweather source instead of Accuweather.

I doubt it @keith456.
I didn't like that ROM either, I thought the hardware should have made the device feel quicker. I was about to flash a Slim build on it when the Marshmallow build turned up so I put that on it. I'd suggest trying that, I've been very impressed with it so far. Obviously it's a bit more involved than staying official but if you've had the tablet for a while you're probably out of warranty already.

Agree, I flashed Marshmallow and i'm totally satisfied

Thinking about upgrading to G3 or G4, confused about a couple things...

Hi, I was hoping someone could explain something for me. I'm looking through the forums and seeing the threads for roms and kernels specifically for H815 and H811, usually separate. I'm from the US, considering the G4 on T-Mobile. As I understand it, both can have the bootloaders unlocked (H811 comes unlocked, and the H815 can be unlocked).
I know the H815 has had Marshmallow released, and the H811 has not yet.
What I'm wondering and what I can't find a straight answer to is why, for example, when I look at CM downloads, I can find a v13 for H815 but only a v12.x for H811. The best answer I could find is something about there not being a released bootloader or modem for the H811 compatible with that. I don't know if that was accurate or not, but if it is that confuses me because I've had a Galaxy SIII whose last carrier Android release was 4.4.2, yet is still getting CM 13 releases pretty quickly and other AOSP updates from developers. Is the reason the H811 isn't just because there isn't enough people or developers using that model, so less are working on an updated kernel compatibile with it? I've never had to update my modem or bootloader for an update between Android versions, so I'm assuming that answer was wrong unless there's something I'm missing? I don't think there's a real hardware difference between the two models besides the modems/bands supported, right?
I'm trying to figure out my best option here, have had a Samsung Galaxy SIII since Aug. 2012, bootloader unlocked not too long after, and have really liked it until recently when I was having a slight issue with streaming audio over my mobile network and decided to switch back to stock for a short time to see if it fixed it and compare some settings, stupidly not realizing that in the 3 years I had been away from the stock firmware that Verizon had locked down the firmware again to 4.4.2 and nobody has figured out how to get around it.
I'm looking for a phone that I can install AOSP or CM or similar Roms on (Although I'm not against playing around with the LG Stock Android, it doesn't look that bad, but I want the choice) and am really hoping user removable battery and MicroSD slot. It's not a major must, but I would also like a fairly good camera.
Sounds like my best bet is either the Nexus devices or the LG G3 or the G4 H811. These all either have unlocked boot loaders or ones that are easy to more or less unlock, which I know is something I'll want if I don't want to be stuck on the version of Android the manufacturer supports. I can't stand the size the Nexus 6 or 6P is, haven't had a chance to see the 5X, but it's lacking the removable battery and memory card. I'm currently on Verizon, and would prefer to stay there, but am considering T-Mobile as a potential possibility. If I go with a G3 I'll stay with Verizon, if I go with a G4 I'll have to switch to T-Mobile.
I've seen the G3 and G4 in person, I like both, but prefer the G4 just based on the color temp of the screen, the camera, and battery charging (The G3's in Verizon's store were all low on battery because the charger couldn't keep up, but the G4 was fine I'm assuming because of the quick charging). But, it's looking like the G3 is currently better in terms of development support than the G4. My worry is in a year or so I may be stuck on a version of Android, whereas with my GS3 (Up until it got re-locked) it was still being actively updated. I can get the G3 online for ~200$ versus ~$400 for the G4, and the rest of the specs on the phone aren't different enough for me to care that much about seeing as my GSIII was handing all my requirements until recently.
Wasn't sure if this was the best place to post this, but my only option for the G4 is the T-Mobile H811, and if there is a big reason why that isn't supported (Whether it's because there's not a large enough user base or something else) then perhaps it's best I not consider that device?
It's been a long time since I've done much with porting Android and have been focused on the device I've had for the past 3.5 years, so I might be missing something here. If anyone can clear some of this up for me, it's be appreciated.
Thanks.

If you want to be able to install an AOSP or CM or similar Roms you sure gonna have a bad time with the LG G4 cause the variants that can be unlocked are the H815 from the european market, hence the variable that are sell in the US ares as you mention the H811 that can't be unlcoked or the H815P wich can't be unlocked either, if you can afford a nexus i'll go with the nexus (I'm planning in upgrading to the nexus 6P for the same reason i own a LG G4 and i'm very dissapointed with the develop of the phone) since i come from the LG G3 that phone although it has a very limited amount of roms at the time it's now a little biger but nothing compare with any nexus... so for resume I'll go Nexus>LG G3>LG G4
Sorry for the bad english

flick36 said:
If you want to be able to install an AOSP or CM or similar Roms you sure gonna have a bad time with the LG G4 cause the variants that can be unlocked are the H815 from the european market, hence the variable that are sell in the US ares as you mention the H811 that can't be unlcoked or the H815P wich can't be unlocked either, if you can afford a nexus i'll go with the nexus (I'm planning in upgrading to the nexus 6P for the same reason i own a LG G4 and i'm very dissapointed with the develop of the phone) since i come from the LG G3 that phone although it has a very limited amount of roms at the time it's now a little biger but nothing compare with any nexus... so for resume I'll go Nexus>LG G3>LG G4
Sorry for the bad english
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Thanks for the reply.
The H811 is unlocked, which is the only reason I was considering it. The rest of the US carrier G4's are locked and have basically no development going on. I prefer the idea of the nexus just based on software and support being that it's a Google phone, and it's going to be guaranteed updates for quite a while, I just am concerned that since I cannot see any of the nexus phones in person currently (Besides the original Nexus 6 which are in some stores) the only way I'd have to see the phone is to buy it, play with it, then return it if I dislike it, which I prefer not to deal with. The newer Nexus phones aren't in stores here in the US besides one store Best Buy which is just getting them, but I was told today that they likely wouldn't get a display model, just boxed up ones to sell.
I'm probably over thinking the fact that I need a removable battery or memory card. It's just nice to not have to worry about not having it.

Blahages said:
Thanks for the reply.
The H811 is unlocked, which is the only reason I was considering it. The rest of the US carrier G4's are locked and have basically no development going on. I prefer the idea of the nexus just based on software and support being that it's a Google phone, and it's going to be guaranteed updates for quite a while, I just am concerned that since I cannot see any of the nexus phones in person currently (Besides the original Nexus 6 which are in some stores) the only way I'd have to see the phone is to buy it, play with it, then return it if I dislike it, which I prefer not to deal with. The newer Nexus phones aren't in stores here in the US besides one store Best Buy which is just getting them, but I was told today that they likely wouldn't get a display model, just boxed up ones to sell.
I'm probably over thinking the fact that I need a removable battery or memory card. It's just nice to not have to worry about not having it.
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I have h811 and we will have the same roms available to unlocked h815 variants as soon as T-Mobile updates us to marshmallow...cm13 is going to be available to h811 as soon as we get the bootstack that will come with the update...also we have a few great kernel devs that will more than likely release an h811 version with that release

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I have h811 and we will have the same roms available to unlocked h815 variants as soon as T-Mobile updates us to marshmallow...cm13 is going to be available to h811 as soon as we get the bootstack that will come with the update...also we have a few great kernel devs that will more than likely release an h811 version with that release
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That's what I was asking about... Why do they need T-Mobile to release an update? I mean obviously it's easier if they do, but is it required or is it just majorly helpful? I'm asking because my current phone this whole "bootstack" stuff was never needed for developers to release updates. I'm just looking for that clarification to make sure that there's not some new requirement with this device that I'm not used to seeing that would make it unlikely to see development in the future, say if LG or T-Mobile decided to not update to the next version of Android after Marshmallow, if we'd be stuck on Marshmallow, or if the development could keep going like it did on the phone I currently have, where the manufacturer stopped development on Kitkat, but people are still releasing even current marshmallow builds.

I would not buy the G4 again.
For some reason it struggles with games.
Qi Wireless Charging is very very very wonky.
Locked bootloaders. Rooting requires rooting a system image and flashing the entire 3.5gb image. LG has closed this loophole in the V10. So I think our days are limited. No custom roms, custom recovery, or much community support.
I love the phone itself and thankfully the stock roms are great but once updates cease, the device will be stuck.
I would pick a LG Nexus 6 or the Hauwei Nexus. I've honestly thought about going with Hauwei but the 6" screen is tablet territory IMO and too big for 1 handed operation. The 5.2" LG Nexus would be a better fit.
I love the TapOn/Off built in ability, but I may be looking at other options next time.

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Locked bootloaders. Rooting requires rooting a system image and flashing the entire 3.5gb image. LG has closed this loophole in the V10. So I think our days are limited. No custom roms, custom recovery, or much community support.
I love the phone itself and thankfully the stock roms are great but once updates cease, the device will be stuck.
I would pick a LG Nexus 6 or the Hauwei Nexus. I've honestly thought about going with Hauwei but the 6" screen is tablet territory IMO and too big for 1 handed operation. The 5.2" LG Nexus would be a better fit.
I love the TapOn/Off built in ability, but I may be looking at other options next time.
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Okay, if that's the reason why the v10 doesn't have any real development going on, that would make sense. I wasn't aware that that was a requirement. Figured it was just that there wasn't enough knowledgeable people working on it yet.
I got a clarification from a friend as to the bootloader question... I guess normally an updated bootloader has been needed moving from 5.x to 6.x, which doesn't appear to have been needed with the GS3 I have... I guess people must have rigged something, because updating the bootloader was never a step with that. He has a Nexus 5 (the orig one) and said he's had to flash a boot loader several times for this reason.

i'm too lazy to read all of this, but i was planing a long period of time to buy the G4, but i found some hardware cons and problems in it as a result of my deep search on youtube , gsmarena users reviews, xda forums and more.
The one problem that made me decide not to buy it and not to think about it any more is the self-die / bootloop hardware problem. read about it on xda bro. Adding this big possibility to the other cons (hardware + some software complexity) made this deal very risky as it will be my second device within less than a year.
i don't know if i'm right and made a good decision, i was believe in this device and i love it ..