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[Q] "Knox" firmware and the m919 version?

I have read (<here> and <here>)
about new firmware versions that will not allow resetting the counter (warranty flag) to initial conditions when restoring to stock after after unlocking or rooting.
If the phone developed a hardware problem, warranty repair could be denied.
The firmware version "MGG" and beyond are reported to have this problem.
Questions:
Does this also apply to the m919 T-Mobile version?
Has anybody seen it on an m919?
Is it going out with an OTA update?
Or is MGG specific to the i9505?
I am shopping for a GS4 m919, and I want confirm that it has the "pre-MGG" firmware version before purchase.
Questions:
Is the ID contained in the "Baseband" ID string in the phone information?
Are there different identifier strings used on the M919?

The T-Mobile S4 has not received the KNOX Bootloader, it will most likely come with the 4.3 update. If anyone is on stock, I would recommend you guys disable OTA updates as you may get automatically updated to 4.3 with the KNOX bootloader.

for once...im dreading an update from tmobile

If I've already rooted and installed a custom recovery (Clockwork Mod), and nothing else, does anyone know if the 4.3 update with KNOX will still be usuable? In other words, will the phone still get an automatic OTA update and will that update install correctly?
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DigitalHeretic said:
If I've already rooted and installed a custom recovery (Clockwork Mod), and nothing else, does anyone know if the 4.3 update with KNOX will still be usuable? In other words, will the phone still get an automatic OTA update and will that update install correctly?
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It wont let you get the update it will pop a box up saying unable to uodate your device has been modified. . Try to check for an uodate youll see what im talking about... I went back to stock just to see if there was anything for updates which there wasnt andbwent to reroot and installed su abd it didn't flash correctly thru odin said to heck with it till the am checked for an update for giggles in the am and wouldn't even check
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i'm glad I read this thread. i was going to wait until i tried the stock 4.3 update before deciding to root and install custom ROMs. With KNOX coming, I'm just going to root ASAP. I like PA on my Nexus4, so I'll probably go with that for my S4.

So you guys are saying the new update with "knox" won't allow you to reset the counter and only that or will it stop you from completely rooting and installing custom roms?
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futty said:
So you guys are saying the new update with "knox" won't allow you to reset the counter and only that or will it stop you from completely rooting and installing custom roms?
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Let me clarify some things. The KNOX processes and functions are already on the stock ROM, most devs remove them, though. So many of you with custom ROMs haven't seen anything related to KNOX.
What the new T-Mobile update (when it gets pushed out) is most likely to come with is a "KNOX Bootloader" which will introduce a thing called "KNOX Flag" which is similar to the old counter we're all used to. This is the counter that @Chainfire was successful in resetting with his app, Triangle Away.
Unfortunately, @Chainfire or anyone else for that matter, has not been able to reset the KNOX flag.
The KNOX flags is this:
0x0 = You have not tripped the KNOX flag.
0x1 = You have tripped the KNOX flag.
Again, once you trip that flag, rooting, flashing a custom recovery, etc.. there is NO way to reset it as of now. And any KNOX functionality on your phone will not work. But the worst part is Samsung will refuse warranty on your device if they see a 0x1 in your bootloader.
Another thing.. on the new bootloader, if you try to downgrade, even with an official Samsung firmware, it will fail and you will trip the KNOX flag.
So once you're on the new bootloader, there's no going back.
There's been speculation that there's an eFuse at play here.
Anyway, this is the reason why I am suggesting you all disable OTA updates and wait until a ROM is built without the new bootloader and all the functions (Wifi, MMS, etc.) are working.

mgbotoe said:
for once...im dreading an update from tmobile
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Hey, its sammy we have to blame for this one :/ Not T-Mobile lol.
PSSSST! Don't let them know you are dreading it, or they might put it off longer xD
As to the OP.
The KNOX Warranty counter is rumored to be what is called an eFUSE. If this is true, then resetting the KNOX warranty counter will be impossible without taking apart your phone and replacing that specific eFUSE.
However, there are rumors that some root methods DO NOT trip this new counter. Is that good? Yes, is that bad? Yes. For those users who like stock kernels and just wanna root, this is okay for them. But for 99.999999 percent of us who love to flash new kernels and get more from our devices, then it trips the counter.
I personally congratulate Samsung as well as hate them at the same time for this. I congratulate them because what seems to be happening a lot is users flash a million and 2 things to their device having not one single clue what they are doing, thus bricking their 500+ dollar smartphone then claiming it as a warranty claim and getting another one. I also feel they are trying to flex their ego muscles too -.-
I also believe that if you have insurance, this does not apply. It is only for warranty claims. Which like you stated OP, it only means Samsung can choose to deny to repair or replace it. I have read a lot of thread before where users tripped the older binary flash counter, and still were given a new device. I honestly don't know how this is going to play out for the lot of us. For me, my warranty is over in a few months anyhow so i don't really care. But its still kind of a dickish thing Samsung is doing.
I am also hoping that we can extract the contents of the new update and keep our older bootloaders and create a flashable zip with the new update stuff and have it still work. I know there were some issues with the international S4 4.3 update but im not sure if it was entirely caused by the bootloader.

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Anyway, this is the reason why I am suggesting you all disable OTA updates and wait until a ROM is built without the new bootloader and all the functions (Wifi, MMS, etc.) are working.
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Where do you disable OTA updates on a stock S4?
Hitting "Software Update" takes me to a Boolean"Update Now" popup with no other option than choosing Yes, No or Wifi. No option to defeat future updates is offered.
Going into developer mode doesn't seem to add any pertinent options either (correct me if I'm wrong).
Clearly, Samsung doesn't want us to be able to disable updates unless or until we root, which I'm doing this weekend on the basis of this thread.

Reignogleph MMXI said:
Where do you disable OTA updates on a stock S4?
Hitting "Software Update" takes me to a Boolean"Update Now" popup with no other option than choosing Yes, No or Wifi. No option to defeat future updates is offered.
Going into developer mode doesn't seem to add any pertinent options either (correct me if I'm wrong).
Clearly, Samsung doesn't want us to be able to disable updates unless or until we root, which I'm doing this weekend on the basis of this thread.
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You indeed have to root to disable OTA updates.

Once the update hits im going to extract the system.img to get all the files.
Then explore where all of the Knox crap is and get rid of it.
I know I want be alone in doing this...all who develop for the S4 will be on top of it.
Someone will figure out a way to get around this Knox BS...
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alloycowboy said:
Once the update hits im going to extract the system.img to get all the files.
Then explore where all of the Knox crap is and get rid of it.
I know I want be alone in doing this...all who develop for the S4 will be on top of it.
Someone will figure out a way to get around this Knox BS...
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thats fine and dandy for us with existing phones.. I already removed all the knox crap from my phone, and will update but not kernel and do the same..
But what about all future phones.. If indeed the kernel is locked with knox and there is no way to remove it we are screwed for new phones coming out.

lgkahn said:
thats fine and dandy for us with existing phones.. I already removed all the know crap from my phone, and will update but not kernel and do the same..
But what about all future phones.. If indeed the kernel is locked with knox and there is no way to remove it we are screwed for new phones coming out.
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I agree. If thats the case....then alot of people will ditch Samsung.
But I have a feeling we will figure out Knox. Its man made so it can be hacked. Who when and how is the question.
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that's also why I paid 400 bucks for a T-Mobile sgs 4 and I am using it on at&t... I refuse to pay or support a phone with a locked bootloader.. matter of principle...i would ditch att if T-Mobile had decent service in my area.
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[FAQ] KNOX and you

[SIZE=+1]There seems to be a lot of confusion and misunderstanding circling the forums with regards to Knox and the 4.3 OTA.
This is an attempt to clear things up[/SIZE]
UPDATE: It seems that people can find this thread, but are unable to actually READ the information presented. The most important note here is that if you are on 4.3 firmware, you can flash ANY rom you like. No, you are not tied down or locked into stock only or 4.3 roms only. AOSP roms will work fine as well. Now scroll down and READ EVERYTHING IN THIS FIRST POST.
What is Knox? Knox is both a firmware and a software component. The OS has Knox apps, and the MK3 bootloader has a Knox component too. Having Knox apps does not necessarily mean you have the Knox bootloader, or vice-versa.
How does Knox work? Because Knox is both in the OS (apps) and in the firmware (bootloader) it works in two ways. The OS components prevent attempts to obtain root access and make rooting with these Knox apps a pain in the butt. Fortunately they can be removed. In the firmware component (bootloader), Knox works to prevent the flashing of custom kernels and recoveries. If you flash a custom rom or custom recovery WHILE on the Knox bootloader, your Knox flag will be tripped and your Warranty Bit will go from 0x0 to 0x1. The Knox bootloader cannot be downgraded to, say, the MD4 bootloader because of special protections built into it. If you attempt to downgrade it, your phone will instantly brick.
Can I get root on the Knox-enabled update? Yes. For those of us who DID NOT take the official OTA and DO NOT have the Knox bootloader, we can get root on 4.3 by injecting it and removing the Knox apps. For those WITH the Knox bootloader, you will need to wait until a full stock MK3 tar is available, which we can then use to make an Odin-flashable MK3 stock rom with root injected using the de-la-vega root method.
Can I downgrade while on 4.3? You can flash roms no matter what Android version they are. That is perfectly fine. But you cannot downgrade the bootloader if you have the Knox bootloader, or else it will cause your bootloader to become corrupted and give you a fancy paperweight. Again, for those who DO NOT have the Knox bootloader, you needn't worry about this/downgrading firmware since the Knox bootloader is what prevents you from doing this. Downgrading your bootloader includes: attempting to flash full stock tar of software versions < MK3, etc.
How can I tell if I've got the Knox bootloader?
Boot into download mode (through custom reboot menu, or by powering off then holding Power+Home+VolumeDown and then VolUp when prompted). If you see a line that starts with the following, then you've got the Knox bootloader. I will insert a picture showing how it actually looks soon
Warranty Bit:
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[SIZE=+1]READ THIS TOO: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1788313
It's for the Verizon S3, but it applies to all the carrier 4.3 updates[/SIZE]
I will add to this as more questions come up
I hope the above helps to clear up some confusion. Ask questions if you are still concerned and I will do my best to answer them.

is there any way to make this a sticky @kennyglass123

This is great information man!
http://i.imgur.com/qrByUGN.jpg

[Q] For now, once you have Knox you'll always have knox? What's the possibility of removing Knox?

elephant007 said:
[Q] For now, once you have Knox you'll always have knox? What's the possibility of removing Knox?
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as of right now none.

elephant007 said:
[Q] For now, once you have Knox you'll always have knox? What's the possibility of removing Knox?
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No way to remove bootloader Knox ATM.

I've seen several posts mention "tripping KNOX" or "voiding KNOX." What does that mean, exactly, regarding rooting a phone? Does it just mean it voids the warranty if you need to get support from Samsung/Sprint? Or are there other adverse effects?

Mostly just a visible warranty void.

Samsung bought crapple disease. So sad, but its my excuse to buy a nexus.
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As said above, a voided Knox is mostly just a highly visible warranty void. Your local Sprint store may or may not care, or the specific Samsung rep that you deal with may not care, but it's easier just to not have to deal with it to begin with.

Does this mean there is already a touchwiz 4.3 ROM we can flash or do we still have to wait?
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The biggest thing here is the fact that there is no full tar file to restore. So even if you do not care about knox or warranty. If something goes wrong with a flash or anything else you can't use an older tar file let's say MD4 or LJ7 or anything because you will end up with a brick. There is nothing to use to ODIN restore your device. Once you go 4.3 with Knox you have to stay 4.3 and even if you wanted to stay 4.3 and wanted to restore that there is no tar file at this time.
Have a great day!

I have a question I think we talked a bit about the problems the knox bootloader brings into the system. My question is the opposite what does it fix / change?
Im thinking along the lines of somebody modding the update so an old bootloader would be with the new rom would that be an issue? I think i remember hearing something about wifi being the problem but any clarification would be nice.

docnas said:
I have a question I think we talked a bit about the problems the knox bootloader brings into the system. My question is the opposite what does it fix / change?
Im thinking along the lines of somebody modding the update so an old bootloader would be with the new rom would that be an issue? I think i remember hearing something about wifi being the problem but any clarification would be nice.
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Late to the party. CNexus already has a update cooking.
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the question im trying to ask is what do we lose if we use the old bootloader? any functionality? (besides the knox security bull$hit)

docnas said:
the question im trying to ask is what do we lose if we use the old bootloader? any functionality? (besides the knox security bull$hit)
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Right now, wifi is broken with the old bootloader and 4.3 rom...happened on the other devices too (tmo s3 and sprint s4)
But there is a fix: flash at&t kernel. But it messes up screen rotation. So i'm trying to come up with another fix that will let wifi turn on properly and let screen rotation work properly too

You = rock. Or some other awesome thing.
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CNexus said:
Right now, wifi is broken with the old bootloader and 4.3 rom...happened on the other devices too (tmo s3 and sprint s4)
But there is a fix: flash at&t kernel. But it messes up screen rotation. So i'm trying to come up with another fix that will let wifi turn on properly and let screen rotation work properly too
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So is this Knox a Sprint thing, or a Samsung thing?
I can understand the reasoning for Knox(money) but, dang, I guess it's a dog eat dog world out there.
This doesn't affect CyanogenMod does it? I'm scared...
edit... I remember reading about a brick api or command, I never executed it, sounds nasty, is this what they use to brick peoples phones if they try to "hack" it?

Edge-Case said:
So is this Knox a Sprint thing, or a Samsung thing?
I can understand the reasoning for Knox(money) but, dang, I guess it's a dog eat dog world out there.
This doesn't affect CyanogenMod does it? I'm scared...
edit... I remember reading about a brick api or command, I never executed it, sounds nasty, is this what they use to brick peoples phones if they try to "hack" it?
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This would be a we-can't-update-the-bootloader thing lol. And we can't do that because it has Knox, which is Samsung's doing
This shouldn't affect any AOSP roms because it uses a different kernel and builds its own WiFi libs

docnas said:
the question im trying to ask is what do we lose if we use the old bootloader? any functionality? (besides the knox security bull$hit)
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From what I've read Knox is Samsung's attempt to provide strong security to their phones for the enterprise customers. As you can imagine, allowing system level access to files can be used to get around a lot of security measures that IT people would like to enforce in their client's devices. It makes sense at the enterprise level, but it's a pain for anyone who want's to mod their phone.
So I think the answer to your question is, unless you are using your phone in a locked down corporate environment then there really is no advantage to Knox. Too bad it can't be turned off, at least not officially.

Note 2, 4.3 boot loader

I have been running stock 4.3 stock with devil kernel but I have been experience problems with charging my battery and some system hangings, had it plugged in for 9 hours and only got to 75 %, went over to CyanogenMod 4.4 nightly and had no problem charging the phone.
My question is, is there a to upgrade to 4.3 official with out having to deal with flashing 4.3 boot loader and have working Wi-Fi? And use stock kernel.
I have been really hesitant to flash stock boot loader and having to deal with tripping knox counter, any help would be great, thanks
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We have an official .zip...including flashable mk6 modem and recovery...
Search for the thread in the dev section...
Zen arcade is the OP...
Don't take an official OTA....g
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Your original Knox free bootloader will not be touched ...g
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ckavvouras said:
I have been running stock 4.3 stock with devil kernel but I have been experience problems with charging my battery and some system hangings, had it plugged in for 9 hours and only got to 75 %, went over to CyanogenMod 4.4 nightly and had no problem charging the phone.
My question is, is there a to upgrade to 4.3 official with out having to deal with flashing 4.3 boot loader and have working Wi-Fi? And use stock kernel.
I have been really hesitant to flash stock boot loader and having to deal with tripping knox counter, any help would be great, thanks
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Don't worry about Knox. The 4.3 bootloader is way better for your phone. If it is taking that long to charge you are probably damaging your battery with the devil kernel.
Are you planning on needing a warranty repair on your phone. I know mine is already out of warranty. Also there is no official word from Samsung that phones with a tripped Knox will not be covered.
The reason Knox trips is for corporate IT security. It's to protect the phone from having an employee root the device.
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I don't need the warranty but if I do one day decide to sell the phone I don't want to pawn it off on some person that might need Knox or prefer a device that is clean
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ckavvouras said:
I don't need the warranty but if I do one day decide to sell the phone I don't want to pawn it off on some person that might need Knox or prefer a device that is clean
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I understand what your saying....
But if I'm not mistaken there's a Rom, on the dev section. Based off of Rogers 4.3 stock firmware.
Skynote 10 and I'm quite sure Knox is gone, and you might be able to downgrade your Rom after using that.
That way ya wanna sell it. You can roll it back to 4.1.2 let it take the update. Then it's FULL of (____) all the security it wants...
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Does anyone know if updating the BootLoader to the newest one would possibly help with Camera issues present in AOSP/CM11 ROM's?
Would there be any dis/advantages to it??

Bootloader won't help camera ...
And if you take the official update...your BL will be semi-locked...g
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gregsarg said:
Bootloader won't help camera ...
And if you take the official update...your BL will be semi-locked...g
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:crying:

Can't get into any Recovery Mode
I had done OTA ATT update to 4.3. CF-Auto-root phone. installed TWRP and stuck on Galaxy Note II screen. I can access download mode. But I can't access Recovery Mode. Flashed the ODEX rooted version of MK6 posted on one of the thread in android development link...still stuck. Flashed Philz CWM Recovery from that same thread, still stuck with no access to recovery. HELP!!! :crying:

Are you "Sure" about no recovery being present ??
3 button combo to boot recovery does what ??
Causes Reboot of the device ??
If Odin registers a "pass" after writing to the recovery partition...they try any application that will boot into recovery for you...
The button combo is clearly failing...g
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Try this method. Once you run cf auto root you most likely need to update supersu to get root access.
One click Odin AT&T 4.3 update Note2 -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2496292
Direct download link from above --> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2496292&page=23
Youtube video with instructions -->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwUdd_SkzSQ
CF Auto Root -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1980644
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ShrekOpher said:
Don't worry about Knox. The 4.3 bootloader is way better for your phone. If it is taking that long to charge you are probably damaging your battery with the devil kernel.
Are you planning on needing a warranty repair on your phone. I know mine is already out of warranty. Also there is no official word from Samsung that phones with a tripped Knox will not be covered.
The reason Knox trips is for corporate IT security. It's to protect the phone from having an employee root the device.
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Not sure how the 4.3 bootloader is way better for your phone. . Can you explain?
Personally I'm running the 4.1.2 bootloader with a patched param.
But if someone wants the 4.3 bootloader I would recommend using the leaked one since it can be downgraded.
As far as any of us know Knox doesn't seem to matter. But there is always the unknown isn't there... All I know is that it's forever and totally unnecessary. Unless you can explain how it's "better for your phone".
Everything you need is in this link. Both the 4.3 leaked bootloader which will work and can be downgraded and the 4.1.2 patch (which will also work). WARNING-DON'T USE THIS IF YOU ARE ON THE 4.3 OFFICIAL BOOTLOADER.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2502464
It bothers me to see so many folks make light of Knox without knowing the consequences. I sure don't know FOR CERTAIN but I DO KNOW it's permanent for now at least.
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New bootloader comes with improved modem that only works on the new bootloader.
Knox doesn't matter because Samsung only has a one year warranty on the phone if you pay for the extra one from the carrier it is still replaceable even with knox tripped.
Only reason you need to worry about Knox is if you phone is a company phone and their system requires you to have knox. Otherwise there is no downside to tripping it.
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ShrekOpher said:
New bootloader comes with improved modem that only works on the new bootloader.
Knox doesn't matter because Samsung only has a one year warranty on the phone if you pay for the extra one from the carrier it is still replaceable even with knox tripped.
Only reason you need to worry about Knox is if you phone is a company phone and their system requires you to have knox. Otherwise there is no downside to tripping it.
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You don't know what you're saying.
The modem and the bootloader are two different things. Also- the modem works FINE with other bootloaders. I know this for CERTAIN since I'm on a different bootloader AND the 4.3 released modem. (I've also run 4.1.2 based roms with this modem). Where did you get this?
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So what are the chances you MIGHT be wrong about Knox as well? How about resale value? Many people value a phone with an unlocked bootloader. Do you PERSONALLY know someone who has returned this phone with a tripped counter? How about future updates? Will you be able to take a future update with a tripped counter? Personally- I DON'T KNOW the answers and won't presume to know. I think you've been spending too much time in the jedi thread where people keep repeating this stuff.
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mindmajick said:
You don't know what you're saying.
The modem and the bootloader are two different things. Also- the modem works FINE with other bootloaders. I know this for CERTAIN since I'm on a different bootloader AND the 4.3 released modem. (I've also run 4.1.2 based roms with this modem). Where did you get this?
So what are the chances you MIGHT be wrong about Knox as well? How about resale value? Many people value a phone with an unlocked bootloader. Do you PERSONALLY know someone who has returned this phone with a tripped counter? How about future updates? Will you be able to take a future update with a tripped counter? Personally- I DON'T KNOW the answers and won't presume to know. I think you've been spending too much time in the jedi thread where people keep repeating this stuff.
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I am sure KNOX is built for corporate security. The reason KNOX even offers this feature is so that a corporate IT department can tell if an employee has been trying to modify a company owned/used device, If the KNOX is tripped it will block the device from connected to compnay servers and internet. This has been confirmed to me by Samsung in a corporate setting as I work as an IT buyer for one of the largest privately own companies in the world. We specifically asked that if an employee tries to modify a device and trips the KNOX can we still return the device to samsung to have KNOX reset so the device and be reissued to a new employee and were told that we could.
Now this was all for corporate use and not for personal use, but this tells me that it is not an issue to trip KNOX, and that Samsung has a way to reset it.
However all of that is besides the point, because the warranty on the device provided by Samsung is only for 1 year. They do not offer a longer one, which means most device are out of warranty already or will be in the next 4-6 months. You could buy a replacement plan from your carrier, but that is a replacement plan not a true warranty. A replacement plan is different from a warranty. Most likely with a replacement plan you would have to pay a deposit and they would give you a refurbished device not your original one back. Also with the extra warranties the device is covered even if it is smashed to pieces, so you don't have to worry about the knox being tripped.
As for OTA updates. It has not been confirmed it it will affect them or not, but it also has not been confirmed we will even get another update. Right now the note2 is not on the list for 4.4.2. Also if you root your phone, which is the only way the KNOX would be tripped, you most likely wouldn't do the OTS update anyway you would probably just flash a new TW based 4.4 ROM or a stock rooted version of the TW 4.4 when it comes out.
the only real reason to worry about the KNOX being tripped is if you are planning on selling your phone in the next 6 months to someone who is planning on using it for their corporate phone. And as someone who works in IT purchasing, their is no way I would let some have a BYOD connect to any of my servers that they bought used.
So all in all its just a lot of people being afraid and going through really complicated processes for no reason. I mean did you freak out when you rooted your phone the first time. That technically voided the warranty right there, tripping KNOX is no different it is just another notification so that you can't connect to a KNOX secured corporate structure.

ShrekOpher said:
Newest baseband is not mk6, its MJ4, on a i317. and that is a combination of the modem and the bootloader. If you try to flash mj4 on the 4.1.2 bootloader you will lose your IMIE and your baseband. Just an FYI.
Also I am sure KNOX is built for corporate security. The reason KNOX even offers this feature is so that a corporate IT department can tell if an employee has been trying to modify a company owned/used device, If the KNOX is tripped it will block the device from connected to compnay servers and internet. This has been confirmed to me by Samsung in a corporate setting as I work as an IT buyer for one of the largest privately own companies in the world. We specifically asked that if an employee tries to modify a device and trips the KNOX can we still return the device to samsung to have KNOX reset so the device and be reissued to a new employee and were told that we could.
Now this was all for corporate use and not for personal use, but this tells me that it is not an issue to trip KNOX, and that Samsung has a way to reset it.
However all of that is besides the point, because the warranty on the device provided by Samsung is only for 1 year. They do not offer a longer one, which means most device are out of warranty already or will be in the next 4-6 months. You could buy a replacement plan from your carrier, but that is a replacement plan not a true warranty. A replacement plan is different from a warranty. Most likely with a replacement plan you would have to pay a deposit and they would give you a refurbished device not your original one back. Also with the extra warranties the device is covered even if it is smashed to pieces, so you don't have to worry about the knox being tripped.
As for OTA updates. It has not been confirmed it it will affect them or not, but it also has not been confirmed we will even get another update. Right now the note2 is not on the list for 4.4.2. Also if you root your phone, which is the only way the KNOX would be tripped, you most likely wouldn't do the OTS update anyway you would probably just flash a new TW based 4.4 ROM or a stock rooted version of the TW 4.4 when it comes out.
the only real reason to worry about the KNOX being tripped is if you are planning on selling your phone in the next 6 months to someone who is planning on using it for their corporate phone. And as someone who works in IT purchasing, their is no way I would let some have a BYOD connect to any of my servers that they bought used.
So all in all its just a lot of people being afraid and going through really complicated processes for no reason. I mean did you freak out when you rooted your phone the first time. That technically voided the warranty right there, tripping KNOX is no different it is just another notification so that you can't connect to a KNOX secured corporate structure.
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Mj4 is the leak. Mk6 is latest and greatest.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=46756673
Releases are USUALLY alphabetical.
I used to run the mj4 with no issues also. The patch was originally created for that rom in mind.
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mindmajick said:
Mj4 is the leak. Mk6 is latest and greatest.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=46756673
Releases are USUALLY alphabetical.
I used to run the mj4 with no issues also. The patch was originally created for that rom in mind.
-》Sent from my mind to your screen.
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Also I do have another meeting with our Samsung Rep in a week from Monday if there are any specific concerns I could try to address them then. They have been open about KNOX with us.

OK so one more question. If I update to 4.3 TW ROM (Skynote or JediMaster X2) with the updated Boot loader stripped from KNOX can I update to a AOSP 4.4 ROM without any issues. I just want to taste what a truly stable 4.3 TW ROM would be without the fear of not being able to come back to AOSP.
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slicingtaco said:
OK so one more question. If I update to 4.3 TW ROM (Skynote or JediMaster X2) with the updated Boot loader stripped from KNOX can I update to a AOSP 4.4 ROM without any issues. I just want to taste what a truly stable 4.3 TW ROM would be without the fear of not being able to come back to AOSP.
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Yes.
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ckavvouras said:
I have been running stock 4.3 stock with devil kernel but I have been experience problems with charging my battery and some system hangings, had it plugged in for 9 hours and only got to 75 %, went over to CyanogenMod 4.4 nightly and had no problem charging the phone.
My question is, is there a to upgrade to 4.3 official with out having to deal with flashing 4.3 boot loader and have working Wi-Fi? And use stock kernel.
I have been really hesitant to flash stock boot loader and having to deal with tripping knox counter, any help would be great, thanks
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The same here, does any one know that ?

S6 Edge Root

Hi guys i havent been in the forums in a while and i thoght about rooting my device cause i formatted my phone and lost a bunch of pics that i want to recover. long story short i have tryied many apps and none seem to be able to recover the deleted pics. the only one so far that people claim that can do it is DiskDigger or something like it, but for it to fully work it needs ROOT. so my problem is that unless there is a 100% way of getting my deleted pics which at this point i doubt, then lets please proceed.
Since i need to ROOT im gonna give you guys my phone specs so you guys can get a picture and advice me better cause i dont want to mess up this phone cause is my daily driver.
SPECS:
T-Mobile
S6 Edge 128GB (SM-G925T)
Android: 5.1.1
Baseband: G925TUVS3DOJC
Kernel: 3.10.61-5756057
Build: LMY47X.G927TUVS3DOJC
Knox: 2.4.1
Device Status: Official
and the Download Screen Displays This:
ODIN MODE
Product name: SM-G925T
Curent Binary: Samsung Official
System Status: Official
FAP Lock: OFF
Secure Download: Enabled (blue letters)
Knox Warranty VOID: 0 (0x0000)
AP SWAREV: B:3 K:2 S:2
is everything here ok? does anything seem ok in my phone? is it rootable?
ok first of all let me say that i do not care about the pay methods but i do care about losing other functionality like fingerprint scanner of LTE and less battery life and stuff like that. mine last me about a whole day with moderate use and some gaming in between.
i want basically to ROOT my phone and if possible and available without tripping the cursed knox so i can if available intall a custom recovery so i can backup and restore my phone from (on that actually works) cause i coulnt for the life of my phone NEVER restore from an image done by my S4 with TWRP or i never knew how to do it cause when i tryied it to fully wipe ended up having to reinstall the full firmware and rooting from scratch.
Also if available which apps and in which directories can be frozen and which ones can be unistalled cause im tired of facebook and instagram and Tmo useless crapware.
Sorry for the long and winded speech but this phone is almost a $1000 and i dont have insurance anymore and if knox tripped samsung wont fix or exchange.
thanks in advanced
have a nice day
sorry for the length again

Apparently you have done some reading (and if not, start reading) because you are mentioning all or most of the issues that some folks are experiencing with this phone when attempting to root with latest firmware updates. ( Not to mention the bricks. )
At first release it was possible with little consequences but that changed in a hurry with updates and with every update it becomes harder and more dangerous to root safely.
There is very little going on in development, just some rehashed versions of the old firmware and in the international forum there are some roms that lose a lot of features you want.
If you really need and rely on your expensive phone and need all features working, leave it stock.
As for your lost images, well your going to have to use your imagination and try to remember what they were.
I was a diehard rooter with all my devices until I met up with this Samsung 6Edge, I love the phone and am a big fan of Samsung so I'm sticking with stock debloated for now, I'm learning to live "stock" and enjoying my phone with all features working properly.
Pp.

PanchoPlanet said:
Apparently you have done some reading (and if not, start reading) because you are mentioning all or most of the issues that some folks are experiencing with this phone when attempting to root with latest firmware updates. ( Not to mention the bricks. )
At first release it was possible with little consequences but that changed in a hurry with updates and with every update it becomes harder and more dangerous to root safely.
There is very little going on in development, just some rehashed versions of the old firmware and in the international forum there are some roms that lose a lot of features you want.
If you really need and rely on your expensive phone and need all features working, leave it stock.
As for your lost images, well your going to have to use your imagination and try to remember what they were.
I was a diehard rooter with all my devices until I met up with this Samsung 6Edge, I love the phone and am a big fan of Samsung so I'm sticking with stock debloated for now, I'm learning to live "stock" and enjoying my phone with all features working properly.
Pp.
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How do you debloat if you don't have root? are you just disabling the bloatware apps?

3RAN7ON said:
How do you debloat if you don't have root? are you just disabling the bloatware apps?
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Yes, disabling all and any bloatware that gives you the option to disable.
When my phone is sitting idle it goes into 99% deep sleep.
With light use I'll get 30 + hours from a charge.
I don't subscribe to Facebook or any of those social media apps and for games I have a Tab2 running CM. I basically use my phone for calls, messages and photos and a couple of forums.
Pp.
Sample of disabled apps.

dr69 said:
Hi guys i havent been in the forums in a while and i thoght about rooting my device cause i formatted my phone and lost a bunch of pics that i want to recover. long story short i have tryied many apps and none seem to be able to recover the deleted pics. the only one so far that people claim that can do it is DiskDigger or something like it, but for it to fully work it needs ROOT. so my problem is that unless there is a 100% way of getting my deleted pics which at this point i doubt, then lets please proceed.
Since i need to ROOT im gonna give you guys my phone specs so you guys can get a picture and advice me better cause i dont want to mess up this phone cause is my daily driver.
SPECS:
T-Mobile
S6 Edge 128GB (SM-G925T)
Android: 5.1.1
Baseband: G925TUVS3DOJC
Kernel: 3.10.61-5756057
Build: LMY47X.G927TUVS3DOJC
Knox: 2.4.1
Device Status: Official
and the Download Screen Displays This:
ODIN MODE
Product name: SM-G925T
Curent Binary: Samsung Official
System Status: Official
FAP Lock: OFF
Secure Download: Enabled (blue letters)
Knox Warranty VOID: 0 (0x0000)
AP SWAREV: B:3 K:2 S:2
is everything here ok? does anything seem ok in my phone? is it rootable?
ok first of all let me say that i do not care about the pay methods but i do care about losing other functionality like fingerprint scanner of LTE and less battery life and stuff like that. mine last me about a whole day with moderate use and some gaming in between.
i want basically to ROOT my phone and if possible and available without tripping the cursed knox so i can if available intall a custom recovery so i can backup and restore my phone from (on that actually works) cause i coulnt for the life of my phone NEVER restore from an image done by my S4 with TWRP or i never knew how to do it cause when i tryied it to fully wipe ended up having to reinstall the full firmware and rooting from scratch.
Also if available which apps and in which directories can be frozen and which ones can be unistalled cause im tired of facebook and instagram and Tmo useless crapware.
Sorry for the long and winded speech but this phone is almost a $1000 and i dont have insurance anymore and if knox tripped samsung wont fix or exchange.
thanks in advanced
have a nice day
sorry for the length again
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I agree with @PanchoPlanet to an extent. There are 2 ways to root the S6 Edge right now. One works just fine with no issues. I have been rooted since I bought the device before Samsung Pay came out. The other way that people have been using to avoid tripping knox will screw up your phone.If you don't care about Samsung Pay then you can simply use CF-Auto root like always. then flash TWRP after you root. The only thing that has made rooting unsafe is the people trying to avoid knox. I keep posting everywhere that people need to stop worrying about knox. Unless you are in a security job or a government job or you want to use Samsung Pay then knox is absolutely of no concern. People worried about getting their device fixed or returning it because of the knox trip, I have read many people were able to without problems.
*Edit*
This root method works just fine --> Here
Except I use the newest Unikernel --> Here

jmc302005 said:
I agree with @PanchoPlanet to an extent. There are 2 ways to root the S6 Edge right now. One works just fine with no issues. I have been rooted since I bought the device before Samsung Pay came out. The other way that people have been using to avoid tripping knox will screw up your phone.If you don't care about Samsung Pay then you can simply use CF-Auto root like always. then flash TWRP after you root. The only thing that has made rooting unsafe is the people trying to avoid knox. I keep posting everywhere that people need to stop worrying about knox. Unless you are in a security job or a government job or you want to use Samsung Pay then knox is absolutely of no concern. People worried about getting their device fixed or returning it because of the knox trip, I have read many people were able to without problems.
*Edit*
This root method works just fine --> Here
Except I use the newest Unikernel --> Here
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Sorry to ask but did you noticed that my baseband is different from the one in the tutorial? Sorry to ask but are you sure this tuto will work for my current baseband and/or keenel?
Thanks in advanced
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dr69 said:
Sorry to ask but did you noticed that my baseband is different from the one in the tutorial? Sorry to ask but are you sure this tuto will work for my current baseband and/or keenel?
Thanks in advanced
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The baseband doesn't matter the build does. It does work with the build you are on.

Ok so, so far what i have done is just odin the UNIKERNEL which also rooted my phone. Everything is working nice exept for titanium which i already asked in another thread. So my next question is: is it safe to factory restore my phone from the phones menu -->backup and reset-->factory data reset <--
Is this safe and will it still remain rooted so i can install titanium and a custom recovery so i can do a full image?
Can someone plz answer today to see if im able to get my phone up and running by tonite?
Thanks again and in advanced.
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dr6901 said:
Ok so, so far what i have done is just odin the UNIKERNEL which also rooted my phone. Everything is working nice exept for titanium which i already asked in another thread. So my next question is: is it safe to factory restore my phone from the phones menu -->backup and reset-->factory data reset <--
Is this safe and will it still remain rooted so i can install titanium and a custom recovery so i can do a full image?
Can someone plz answer today to see if im able to get my phone up and running by tonite?
Thanks again and in advanced.
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I answered your other thread...go into SuperSU settings, scroll down and untick "mount namespace separation" and you will be good to go...it worked for me...
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Yes and thanks i jist read it. It did work. You are the man
Thanks so much, now how about giving me a hand with this matter
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Plz, any takers? I just need a yes or a no. I dont wanna fo it and then my phone messed up
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G920P Rooting

Can build G920PVPU3CPD3 be rooted?
Which root method should I use?

Maverick923 said:
Can build G920PVPU3CPD3 be rooted?
Which root method should I use?
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Just install TWRP and flash SuperSU.

So there is noway to do this without tripping knox?

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No.
Let me add on a bit to my initial response. Rooting the phone will trip Knox. Has been this way for quite some time. Discussed across many thread here and elsewhere.
Now the question comes up as to what do you lose by tripping Knox? Samsung Pay will never work for you. Android Pay may or may not work. Many people have been able to get it working at least in part, but disable Root (via SuperSu) when using Android Pay. I don't use either of those, so I don't care.
Then the question comes up if this voids warranty. The answer is only if you say "Hey, I rooted my phone and then broke something!" If you need warranty for a physical defect, go back to stock via Odin and you shouldn't have a problem. If you root your phone and then install a ROM not meant for your phone or local (like a Note ROM or an international ROM) you are probably going to mess something up that will be immediately obvious. The solution is not to do that.
Realistically, there aren't a ton of great ROMs available for this phone and most are based on stock anyway. No CM13 as yet. If you can live with your phone un-Rooted, that might be the wisest choice.
That said, I rooted my phone as soon as I got it. I went the full route, didn't care about tripping Knox and still don't. I have run both Renegade and TeamSPR ROMs and have been happy with them.
Now you can decide what to do.

Or u could root ur phone n install xposed on it ... Rooted S6 stock rom is now compatible with xposed its better than any custom roms out there
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In my case, I only need temporary root. After that it maybe removed. So it would be nice to be able keep knox from being tripped if possible. Installing twrp is an additional step too that I would like to avoid again because it would serve no purpose since root would only be temporary. I also wanted to be sure that build G920PVPU3CPD3 could be rooted. Thanks for your input guys.