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Stock vs. Custom

Hello guys !
Im a newbie and i have a question. Which is more secure and stable ? A Custom Rom or Stock Rom ?
Which do you use an recommend, Stock or Custom Rom ? Its not a question about which Custom Rom ;-)
If there is already a similar Thread, i apologize...
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Hello guys !
Im a newbie and i have a question. Which is more secure and stable ? A Custom Rom or Stock Rom ?
Which do you use an recommend, Stock or Custom Rom ? Its not a question about which Custom Rom ;-)
If there is already a similar Thread, i apologize...
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The stock rom is probably what you want to stay on for stability. if you want really cool customization and tweaks go with a custom rom, but remember if you are on a custom rom you cant take OTA updates from google.

I know that, but I think also about, is it really possible, that maybe 10 people can make a better Rom? Google has many employees which working on this for long time. Sorry my english isnt perfect, I hope you understand what I mean.
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I know that, but I think also about, is it really possible, that maybe 10 people can make a better Rom? Google has many employees which working on this for long time. Sorry my english isnt perfect, I hope you understand what I mean.
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You have to remember that the majority of people probably dont want a phone which they can customise in any which way that they want. Google need to cater for the masses and create an OS that is at least relatively simple.
Individuals on forums such as these however, feel differently and love the chance for customization. The developers working on after market ROMS create those options and customizations for people that really want them. And their ROMS are based on the source code provided by Google and their many employees - so nothing is lost in that sense.
This is what I think any way!

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I know that, but I think also about, is it really possible, that maybe 10 people can make a better Rom? Google has many employees which working on this for long time. Sorry my english isnt perfect, I hope you understand what I mean.
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Are they all "better"? No. Do they offer more features/customization? Yes. Do these features/customization often break something that already works? Yes.

--GNex-- said:
I know that, but I think also about, is it really possible, that maybe 10 people can make a better Rom? Google has many employees which working on this for long time. Sorry my english isnt perfect, I hope you understand what I mean.
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Sometimes it's only one "dev" kanging code.
Regardless, we have some VERY talented devs here. And it's not like they are creating android from scratch, they are using the code that Google has open sourced, so all of the custom roms are essentially STOCK + unique features not part of AOSP. This also makes them not as stable as stock android, pick your poison

That was a good answer !
Thats where is my point, di
oes it really make sense...all time Full-Wipe...backup..flash gapps...then something doesnt work..
but on the other side it looks awesome ! Its just, what do they really change ? Is it stil safe for me as user ?
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I think custom roms can often be more stable because bugs are constantly found and fixed on a daily basis. A stock rom may have a bug but will take months for the next update from google.
Also custom roms are just stock roms with additions, so its the same code base anyway.

its mostly about the tweaks that Google didn't put in .. all roms are the same to me since they all base off 4.0.x unless someone builds a sense or Touchwiz rom.
The only thing that makes roms different is the feature list and kernel
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--GNex-- said:
That was a good answer !
Thats where is my point, di
oes it really make sense...all time Full-Wipe...backup..flash gapps...then something doesnt work..
but on the other side it looks awesome ! Its just, what do they really change ? Is it stil safe for me as user ?
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It's all very easy once you do it a few times. Customization is awesome. Like the full screen mod getting rid of the softkeys so anything that your doing (game, videos, etc) that keeps the softkeys there, will now be full screen without the softkeys. Just little things like that plus much more than make custom roms better than stock.

RogerPodacter said:
I think custom roms can often be more stable because bugs are constantly found and fixed on a daily basis. A stock rom may have a bug but will take months for the next update from google.
Also custom roms are just stock roms with additions, so its the same code base anyway.
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Bugs are constantly found for custom ROMs because they've not been tested so much compared to stock before they are being released. (Not saying that stock is bug free but each official version has gone through aggressive testing)
If stability and security are your top concerns then stay stock - this is a no-brainer. Custom ROMs are for people who are more adventurous and want to have more fun with their phones.

So there are more people on Stock or on Custom Roms ? I heard that many people say its a "developer phone", but on the other Hand people say they bought it because they dont want to flash anymore C-Roms.
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Many people want different things, that's why there are custom roms
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So there are more people on Stock or on Custom Roms ? I heard that many people say its a "developer phone", but on the other Hand people say they bought it because they dont want to flash anymore C-Roms.
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Of course there are way more people on stock than rom flashers. People like my mom got the phone to use it, not to flash ROMs.
When people said 'it's a developer phone', it doesn't mean the phone is not suitable for daily use or only developers know how to use it. On the contrary, it's a phone that showcases how the latest OS SHOULD look and feel like. It serves as a reference point to how developers should design their apps.

Good answer !
I read a lot of problems like massive battery drain or FCs etc. etc. also I read about speed improvements and great battery life. I can change already a lot of things with a different Launcher.
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--GNex-- said:
Good answer !
I read a lot of problems like massive battery drain or FCs etc. etc. also I read about speed improvements and great battery life. I can change already a lot of things with a different Launcher.
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The thing with all product discussion forums is, people will only post/seeking help if they ran into problems. (Will you go to a Samsung forum and start a thread with 'my TV/camera is working as intended?' ) So these forums are always filled with error reports/complaints. Sometimes it's hard to see if it's really error by design or just the unlucky few with defective devices.
XDA makes it even more complicated because this is a modding community. Half of the complaints are probably just human errors - bad flash, wrong radio, incompatible apps the list goes on...
Long answer short, you DON'T have to mod your phone to reap all its benefits. You are not missing out things if you don't want to customize it.

I completly agree, thats why I also started this thread. I was talking with some people about it. Its nice to customize, but do i need these small things with the possibility to get issues
Are you on Stock ?
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Brother man its all about what you want and love. I could nit would not run stock. I have way more fun with custom roms. But to each there own. I must say, I would never have my mother run a custom from. First I would be her tech support, next its not what she needs. But you keep having fun with what you need / do.
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MilkPudding said:
Bugs are constantly found for custom ROMs because they've not been tested so much compared to stock before they are being released. (Not saying that stock is bug free but each official version has gone through aggressive testing)
If stability and security are your top concerns then stay stock - this is a no-brainer. Custom ROMs are for people who are more adventurous and want to have more fun with their phones.
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I was actually talking about bugs in stock. Its much quicker to fix them in custom roms since the fix will be rolled out in a few days, but we'd be waiting months to get the same fix from google in an update.
Sure new bugs from custom roms may appear too from the new additions. But its still all the stock code base anyway...

ROMs are usually the result of tweaking, prodding, removal to enhance the phone's ability to function. Some things aren't necessary, and some things can be made to cater to a specific user. Obviously, google cannot cater to individual needs, but that's why so many ROMs exist, you can found out what you like and stick to it!
That's why I switched to android from my iPhone 4s. I love messing with my phone, and android is the platform that encourages this

AOSP Rom

Hello! This is my first post and i want to know if anyone is making an AOSP rom for this device? It appears that this device is really laggy and stutters here and there. The Geodev rom is based on AOSP i think but don't know how the rom is doing right now and i can't comment on it because this is only my first post. MAY I KNOW WHO HERE IS TRYING TO GET AOSP FOR OUR DEVICE BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY OF MAKING THIS SMOOTH. Thanks everyone! Cheers!

Sarmiento_Luise said:
Hello! This is my first post and i want to know if anyone is making an AOSP rom for this device? It appears that this device is really laggy and stutters here and there. The Geodev rom is based on AOSP i think but don't know how the rom is doing right now and i can't comment on it because this is only my first post. MAY I KNOW WHO HERE IS TRYING TO GET AOSP FOR OUR DEVICE BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY OF MAKING THIS SMOOTH. Thanks everyone! Cheers!
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As of now, Geodev is the only one in development. If you're trying to get your post count up, go to the XDA General section and post in the new members forum or the off topic lounge.

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imho that geodev thing sounds shady at best.
If you would decide to port a custom rom to a new device, would you really start by porting KitKat if the device
currently only runs jellybean? Wouldn't it be easier to use the stock kernel for now to get cm10 running
and then wait paitiently until htc releases the kernel src to make it a full unofficial cm10 build.
Instead this sounds more like taking the existing source of a hopefully hardware compatible build
and bending it until it brea.. ehm works.
I may be biased, but if you plan to make any kind of release you usually don't go and announce it to the world.
This only encourages the rather impatient endusers to come up with many variations of the same old:
"i need my rls now!", "I am entitled to a release because I found this thread","GIMME RLS!!!11oneeleven"
posts that will just annoy the crap out of every dev I've ever met. Also there is absolutely no point in asking for
beta testers before you even have a working build ready.
Combine that with the recent e-begging post and draw your own conclusions.
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[...] I can't continue developing until someone gift me new computer (or motherboard only). [...]
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In any case, for the time being it might be a good idea to check if there are some services you could deactivate
in order to get a little bit more speed out of your phone. I personally have no problems with lags, but maybe
it's because I don't expect the phone to run every app ever made at the same time since it has only 512MB RAM.

[Suggestion] Stable ROM for Xperia S 4.4?

Hei guys,
Most probably this question has been asked already, but since then more updates had been followed.
I'm running a FreeXperia 4.1.2 ROM on my Xperia S, and I would like to change to a newer version (preferable 4.4.x) that is fitting a day-by-day use. What would you recommend me?

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Hei guys,
Most probably this question has been asked already, but since then more updates had been followed.
I'm running a FreeXperia 4.1.2 ROM on my Xperia S, and I would like to change to a newer version (preferable 4.4.x) that is fitting a day-by-day use. What would you recommend me?
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If You want extremely stable, go for Mokee. We still have official support from it. Second most stable according to Me is Carbon, but it has less frequent updates.

mokee?
Don't u have force closes ?

I think crDROID is most stable if your looking for KitKat rom

Never-ever use CrDroid for daily-use, it's kinda nice rom although you'll get alot (well, a few but still) of random reboots, it has very much customization options but with cost of stability.
Carbon Rom was quite nice 4.4.4 but the battery lasts half day with it...so it's also bad idea to use it.
I also used AOSPX, Paranoid, CM 11 and Mokee but can't say much about them because they were on my XS only for a few minutes - didn't liked any of them but I've heard much good things about AOSPX so you can try that one.
Otherwise I don't recommend any 4.4 roms, better stick to 4.1

I would recommend using PA or Carbon, both are stable ROMs of 4.4.4 for Xperia S. Carbon has more customization than PA, but PA is like semi-lollipop. Both give you 721 MB of RAM against 621 MB of stock JB.

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Never-ever use CrDroid for daily-use, it's kinda nice rom although you'll get alot (well, a few but still) of random reboots, it has very much customization options but with cost of stability.
Carbon Rom was quite nice 4.4.4 but the battery lasts half day with it...so it's also bad idea to use it.
I also used AOSPX, Paranoid, CM 11 and Mokee but can't say much about them because they were on my XS only for a few minutes - didn't liked any of them but I've heard much good things about AOSPX so you can try that one.
Otherwise I don't recommend any 4.4 roms, better stick to 4.1
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AOSPX works very well. Only problem is you can't use your phone for calling. Oops.
Call volume does not do anything AND the other end can't hear you. So if you don't want to talk with anyone it's afine rom

Barleyman said:
AOSPX works very well. Only problem is you can't use your phone for calling. Oops.
Call volume does not do anything AND the other end can't hear you. So if you don't want to talk with anyone it's afine rom
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I have no such problems with AOSPX
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I have no such problems with AOSPX
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Good for you but it doesn't do much for me.

And for the record, I just had to completely wipe my XS so it's not likely that either.
I guess I'll give PA a shot and if it won't work, I'll go back to 4.1. I'n any case I'm just using the phone as for a 2nd sim card to pick up calls and little else. Stock rom has this aggravating bug with PIN codes where the android phone will keep on crashing, so..

The best overall rom so far
For me the smoothest,fastest and most stable is the carbon rom build 20140808-1848
Also customization options available... try it you wont regret it...

I experienced crdroid, it's a great rom but has some bugs and reboots a few times in a day. I have been using CARBON rom (20141103 build) for 3 weeks, and I'm very happy with it. It's very stable for me.

Well, Paranoid android v4.4.4 also had the same very low voice problem in-call. At least the other guys can hear ME but I can't really hear THEM. I also grabbed the low voice fix and installed it but it didn't help.
I think I'll check the OpenSEMC-U 10.1 now, lots of people seem to like it. (that's 4.2)

Nope, same problem. 4.2.2 CM10.1 has very very low volume in-call as well. And, yes, I did wipe, install new kernel blah bloody blah blah.
*sigh* I guess it's back to the official "android phone has stopped" firmware :crying:

Try LP nAOSP or AOSP, they are better then 4.4

Require stable custom 5.1 ROM for tomato

I have tried all possible custom ROM's for my tomato but none of them are fully stable. Most of them has there own issues. Require a Custom ROM which is at least fully stable and usable. Below is the list of all common issues with lollipop custom ROM's for Yureka .. :-
1. (major issue) capacitive touch buttons can't be disabled completely nd so On-screen nav bar can't be used at its best.
2. Battery drain is another issue with all the custom ROM's..
3. Gapps stopping.. FC occurring during reboots nd sometimes even after reboots.. AOSP crashing...!
4. Camera app is not upto mark in any of available custom ROM's.. Worse performer than stock lollipop..
5. ROM's must provide us with some powerful custom kernel's to give us full control on hardware.. No rom has provided a great kernel which can be used for tweaking...
6. Status bar and notification panel getting f****d up with customization in most of the ROM's..
7. (Most Important in my case) Colors are really dull in most of the ROM's.. Color production is very poor and can be felt while playing games..
If all these issues can be resolved by any ROM developer, for me it will be the perfect ROM... Waiting eagerly for it..
All problems mentioned above are based on the ROM's reviewed by me which are:-
1 SOKP 5.1.1
2 BlissPop rom for tomato
3 Resurrection 5.1
(?I suggest developers to add viper4android as equaliser app and cameraNext modded app as default camera app) ? both are best in their category
Flashed from my Yureka

Off-Topic...This is a development section....Ur querries and requests whether related to development or not should have been posted in general section...

It is related to development
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First of all the topic of this thread is just wrong,as you require you build one stable for you(as if its easy as installing an apk),
second the issue you mentioned here are already posted by many users in the specific ROM threads,
Third thing is that feature requests should be made in general section or in specific ROM threads,
fourth you don't pay them to demand or suggest them,
fifth just wait patiently,posts and unwanted threads like this will irritate some developers so that you may lose some ROMs !!
Note: I request mod to move this thread to its specific section.
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Why don't you build yourself a custom ROM and fix all your ISSUES yourself? the developers do their best, and we should do our part and not complain.

Of course they do... It was meant to be a request nd nothing to boil the things off...All bugs mentioned above were to help developers identify all the issues nd to avoid them as all these are common one's.....!!
And I don't think any developer will see this post as an offence as it is not meant to be.. Developers are no God and they too need to be told about what they need to avoid..
Also this post has been posted in development section as it covers common issues related to ROM's which are posted here...!!
Flashed from my Yureka

The latest rr rom seems to be stable enough to be used as a daily driver. Better than stock cm12 anyways
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While I understand that you did not mean to rile people up with your post, it comes off as a little bit demanding. Devs know what they have to work on, feedback on the custom ROM posts is there for that. They need not be constantly reminded of it by seeing it on the front page. If everyone started demanding things by making posts about it on the forum nothing would get addressed. Developing a ROM is not a simple task it requires a lot of knowledge. Developers know what bugs their ROMs have and they try their best to fix them. Also I agree with people above that this should not be in the development section its a general thread.

I have RR in My primary phone Nexus 4 which is pretty stable. For Yureka, I'll probably root and go with RR soon. If the demand is for most stability, go with Stock. But till my usage on CM12 Lollipop, it's not that stable enough and there are rarely bugs too (These are complained many times in YU Forums). Hence it might be pretty obvious reason for that instability of Custom ROMs. One solution I'm wishing for now. How to install Xposed GravityBox module to Yureka phone? Since it comes with CM12 which violates the rule of install in Non-AOSP, is there AOSP version available for this phone? If not, can a AOSP custom ROM be built to 1+1/Yureka phones?

This thread should be closed asap.

Be happy with whatever you're probided by the devs. They are human beings (just like us) and do these works in their free time. Bug fixes take time, they aren't fixed with a click of a button. All 5.1.1 roms (for dual sim devices) had the systemui/settings fc bug. But these bugs have been solved now. See, I told you bug fixes need time. You flash roms at your own risk, so you shouldn't demand things. Rather, just be humble in listing the bugs and wait for the dev of the respective rom to fix them. These are devs spending their leisure time in compiling roms fro your device while they could've been out enjoying with their friends. They don't even get paid for all this. So next time before you use the F word in a thread, think twice.

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.... is there AOSP version available for this phone? If not, can a AOSP custom ROM be built....
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here's something that promises much, i think. and the dev @percy_g2 seems to be well-respected.

In what way its related to development...Is posting ur querries a development??? Or giving suggestions to those who already know what to do and what not a development??...This is totally an off-topic...
Build a bug-free ROM and post it here or a kernel and post it here..and thats development btw...
Pinpointing errors and bugs is known as reporting btw...
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@Da_Gamer_pk
First before creating a thread, find the right need, right place, section etc.
there is clear impulisiveness and an impact created.
Please take care of the next one
Thanks for the understanding
sreeprajay

parasthakur37 said:
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why is that??

What even....
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why is that??
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Are you serious?
He's almost ordering the devs to build a stable rom, why?
If he's so keen why doesn't he himself build one?
All devs have already specified all the possible bugs on the particular rom threads so why should you post them separately in a new thread?
Imagine if everyone made new threads about the bugs? All threads would be about bugs only and nothing about development.
SO!
Think twice before posting. Post only relevant stuff. Read all the posts before posting. AND DON'T COMPARE DEVS' WORK and DON'T ORDER THEM, THEY DON'T GET PAID BY YOU!
I hope you and the OP understand my point and never commit a stupidity of this kind again.

wtf man we already have cm12.1 official (snapshot) and now we got cynogen os 12.1 that too stable !!

[Q] First M8, need rom

Hello,
A friend sold me his M8 phone and I have managed to unlock and install the latest twrp on the device, obviously I am still s-on but as I am currently on the latest baseband I won't really need s-off as the moment.
There are so many roms for this phone, but what I am after is a stable rom with good battery, and a stable camera app.
I am currently running the last Leedroid rom, and while it is a nice rom is does seem to get a bit laggy at times with the occasional FC.
I am not bothered whether it is Lollipop, Marshmallow, Nougat, Sense 6,7,8, GPE, aosp, CM, or whatever, as long as the rom is stable, no FCs, good battery etc,
Sorry to ask for recommendations, I know this kind of topic is frowned upon. But there are so many roms, it would take me forever to flash and try them all.
Thank you,

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I am not bothered whether it is Lollipop, Marshmallow, Nougat, Sense 6,7,8, GPE, aosp, CM, or whatever, as long as the rom is stable, no FCs, good battery etc,
Sorry to ask for recommendations, I know this kind of topic is frowned upon. But there are so many roms, it would take me forever to flash and try them all.
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Your request is so vague, as to have no true answer. You literally ask for recommendation for a ROM, and say it can be practically any Android version (just not Kitkat), Sense, GPE or AOSP.
Asking for a ROM that is stable, no FCs, and good battery doesn't narrow it down. It's not like there are folks asking for unstable ROMs with FCs and bad battery. And things like FC and battery are completely subjective. They depend on how you as an individual use the phone (apps, settings, your network, etc.). Just because someone else gets no FC and good battery, doesn't mean your experience will be the same.
ROM recommendations are allowed (they didn't used to be - but the rule was changed). However, there are already plenty of other threads where folks have chimed in on what their favorites are. The most comprehensive such thread is probably this one: https://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/general/currently-best-rom-htc-m8-based-6-0-cm13-t3442924
The thread title specifies CM13, but the discussion has actually moved far beyond that. Probably would suggest starting from the end of the thread (most recent posts) and work your way back, as the thread started almost a year ago.