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Hey guys, here's my situation. I'm buying a Nexus smartphone for development. This will not be my daily driver, my Verizon Galaxy S4 is used for that purpose. My two choices for Nexus phones are the Verizon Galaxy Nexus or Unlocked Nexus 4. I can get the Verizon Galaxy Nexus from a buddy for $160 or an Unlocked Nexus 4 for $299 through Google Play. I don't know what device to get and I need opinions.
Advantages for Unlocked Nexus 4:
Unlocked
Newer hardware
Better Design
Disadvantages fo4 Unlocked Nexus 4:
Higher Price than Unlocked Galaxy Nexus
Cannot throw in my Verizon SIM Card from my S4 to use in case I want to switch between it and the Nexus 4. ( I can however, do this with the Verizon Galaxy Nexus).
Advantages for Verizon Galaxy Nexus:
Cheaper
Able to use with my Verizon SIM Card
Removable battery
More storage
Disadvantage for Verizon Galaxy Nexus:
Older hardware
Not "brand new" (The Unlocked Nexus 4 will be)
So, what do you guys think?
Unlocked Nexus 4 or Verizon Galaxy Nexus?
Comment and tell me what you think!
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Another thing to consider, is that the GNex may be at the end with official updates. I would assume it will see 4.3 officially, but after that who knows. The N4 will get at least one more year of updates. Another thing to consider, is that the Verizon version of the GNex lags behind with updates. Perhaps 4.2.2 was the last update it sees, even if the GSM versions get another update.
N4 has better aosp support.
a maguro wrote this.
I prefer the galaxy nexus. . .
I don't now why , but i like it rotfl
It's funny, I'm having the same issue with T-Mobile. I have a Note 2, but I love the nexus phones for development. The GNex has always been my favorite phone, but I have a Nexus 4 sitting at home with the option to buy. I know the hardware on the Galaxy Nexus is aging at best, but damnit I love this phone! I think in the end I will keep the Galaxy Nexus but the geek in me is fighting me all the way.
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well, for dev purposes, it would be best to get the N4, since it has all the binaries needed to build, right now. It's unclear if the Gnex will get the remaining, missing binaries.
that said, i love my gnex (still going strong, no hw issues whatsoever)
I love galaxy nexus because it has a lot of mod, ROM and Kernel! The galaxy nexus is very fluid and it hasn't lag! I raccomandet it!
Save your money and go with the Galaxy Nexus if you can get it for under $200 US.
The only real reason I see to get a Nexus 4 is if you want the higher specs and intend to use it for more than just development purposes. Other than that there is no big benefit of having a N4 over the GN aside from the hardware.
Even if google intends to discontinue the maguro/toro before android 5.0, it will still be developed to work with 5.x down the line because of just the way the development community works. However, I think the maguro line will be more successful down the future since it's the GSM variant, as the toro is just limited to a smaller faction of primarily Verizon/USA users.
If you don´t play games on your phone, I think you can buy Galaxy Nexus.
I got a nexus 6. Traded it for my Note 4, plus the guy gave me 50 bucks. So that sweetened the deal for me. Overall I'm very happy with the trade, especially because I have an unlocked bootloader and can put any rom I want on it. So happy beyond belief. I'm sorry to anyone still stuck on their ATT note 4. It was pure boredom for me. Wish everyone on this forum luck, and it was fun while it lasted with you guys!
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I got a nexus 6. Traded it for my Note 4, plus the guy gave me 50 bucks. So that sweetened the deal for me. Overall I'm very happy with the trade, especially because I have an unlocked bootloader and can put any rom I want on it. So happy beyond belief. I'm sorry to anyone still stuck on their ATT note 4. It was pure boredom for me. Wish everyone on this forum luck, and it was fun while it lasted with you guys!
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I feel l ya.
Personally, I won't own a Nexus. I need a top notch camera, and it just falls short.
But between the Note 5 lacking expandable memory, I have chosen to go with the LV V10 (when released) as my next phone, even though I love the Note line. And, of course, AT&T will not ever be in my carrier line again.
This video had some pretty nifty tips to address the battery and expandable memory issues in the note 5 - https://youtu.be/lFyZ5YyAsk4..
Everyone carries a battery pack anyway and I've personally not replaced the battery on note 4 since I bought it last year..
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I'm happy for you. Personally I will never buy another Samsung phone again from AT&T. If they want government contracts that much then go right ahead. I'm going to definitely get new LG V10 when it comes out but hoping that the bootloader isn't locked and that I can at least put in a 128gb micr sd memory card. With Samsung doing what they did to make the S6 more like the Note series it's safe to say that the Galaxy Note series is officially dead. It's crazy how Samsung sacrificed their best selling line of phones for another line of phones that fail every year in sales and customer satisfaction. You would have thought that the Galaxy Note series would've became Samsung's new flagship phone. Wish I still had my Note 3 cause it was rooted but I'm stuck now with the Note 4. LG V10 or an iPhone cause those are my only options.
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This video had some pretty nifty tips to address the battery and expandable memory issues in the note 5 - https://youtu.be/lFyZ5YyAsk4..
Everyone carries a battery pack anyway and I've personally not replaced the battery on note 4 since I bought it last year..
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Couple things.
First, placing your pictures in Google, according to their policy you agree to when you use it, allows them to use any of those pictures for advertisement of their products or services. And they can do so without your permission, since you agree to it by using them to store your pics. Frankly, I'm not too keen on that one.
Also, since I listen to a lot of music, but get songs from different sources, Google Music is not an option since you can't listen to songs through them that was not purchased through them.
Music & pictures/camera are my primary concerns when buying a new phone, and I use a lot of space for them. On my Note 4, I've got a 128gb card with a 32gb phone, and I'm down to 12 gigs on the card and 6 on the phone. But personally, I love having everything I want at my fingertips without using external storage or needing to be around a signal.
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Google Music is not an option since you can't listen to songs through them that was not purchased through them.
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I'm a die hard Google music user. I uploaded my entire music collection to Google. Over 100 gigs total. None of it was purchased through google. I stream it every day from their app without problems.
yacopsae said:
I got a nexus 6. Traded it for my Note 4, plus the guy gave me 50 bucks. So that sweetened the deal for me. Overall I'm very happy with the trade, especially because I have an unlocked bootloader and can put any rom I want on it. So happy beyond belief. I'm sorry to anyone still stuck on their ATT note 4. It was pure boredom for me. Wish everyone on this forum luck, and it was fun while it lasted with you guys!
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With 5.1.1 the note 4 is a brand new phone ?, i am actually liking the phone and functionality. It's smooth and just feels good to use. If you haven't updated you need to, update to the 5.1.1 on att totally worth the trouble.
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So, Im with you guys on this... I CANNOT use an unrooted phone. Problem is, I also MUST have a stylus with pin point precision... Can anyone help me out bc I cant find a single device (NO APPLE) that has one besides the note line! I would go back to my Note 2 if the screen wassnt smashed... Are their ANY options for my needs? TIA!
Find a t-mobile version of the Note 4, unlock it and use it on AT&T. It's rootable and flashable.
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Find a t-mobile version of the Note 4, unlock it and use it on AT&T. It's rootable and flashable.
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That's what I am going to do.
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Find a t-mobile version of the Note 4, unlock it and use it on AT&T. It's rootable and flashable.
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Looking at the specs for both, it looks like they're MOSTLY identical...except that AT&T and T-Mo have most, but not all, of the same frequencies for UMTS and LTE bands. Everything seems the same, except:
AT&T
UMTS 900 (Band 8)LTE 2600 (Band 7)T-Mobile
UMTS 1700/2100 (Band 4)LTE 900 (Band 8)LTE 1800 (Band 3)
Are the frequencies that AT&T and T-Mo share, those frequencies that they both use most commonly, and the above frequencies are mostly just for increasing available bandwidth for their respective networks? Or is it possible that either of them might use only the above bands, in some areas?
I have no idea about frequency stuff. All I know is that I've read on here about people getting the t-mobile version specifically because the AT&T version is not rootable.
Frequencies Matter
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I have no idea about frequency stuff. All I know is that I've read on here about people getting the t-mobile version specifically because the AT&T version is not rootable.
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Yes, the frequencies between AT&T and T-Mobile are different and do matter when it comes to data. You will not be able to get access to all towers LTE tech unless the phone has the proper hardware in it. It will limit your 4G usage but you could at least have a rooted phone. You kind of have to pick your poison in that regards.
Schramx4 said:
Yes, the frequencies between AT&T and T-Mobile are different and do matter when it comes to data. You will not be able to get access to all towers LTE tech unless the phone has the proper hardware in it. It will limit your 4G usage but you could at least have a rooted phone. You kind of have to pick your poison in that regards.
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I hope the other guy sees this, then. I'm not in the market to swap phones. I'm fine on my stock AT&T note 4. This makes sense, though.
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Yes, the frequencies between AT&T and T-Mobile are different and do matter when it comes to data. You will not be able to get access to all towers LTE tech unless the phone has the proper hardware in it. It will limit your 4G usage but you could at least have a rooted phone. You kind of have to pick your poison in that regards.
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Actually, from what I could tell, if pdadb.net and wikipedia have their respective info correct (and current), the only frequencies the T-Mobile version doesn't have, that the AT&T version has, are frequencies that aren't even used by any U.S. carriers. According to pdadb.net, the frequencies the AT&T version can use, that aren't available on the T-Mobile Note 4 are UMTS 900 (Band 8), and LTE 2600 (Band 7). According to this Wikipedia article, the LTE2600 band isn't in use anywhere in the US. It's used in Canada, but I don't anticipate visiting there, or anywhere else outside of the US, any time soon. (There's another article that shows similar info about the UMTS900 band, but that's even less relevant.)
So, it looks like I'm looking for a T-Mobile Note 4, if I can find one for cheap, that's not too scratched up, or anything.
I just gave up on my att note 4. Switched to the T-mobile version.
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Gave my wife the Note 4 cause she broke her Lg G Pro. Had to use my Nexus 4 for a week. I kind of like the small form factor. Any ways..picked up a Lg G3 off ebay for $150 bucks like new. Enjoying custom roms!
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Picked up a T-mobile note 5 on BF and traded an old iPhone for it.. Adios to my note 4 soon!
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Picked up a T-mobile note 5 on BF and traded an old iPhone for it.. Adios to my note 4 soon!
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Black Friday
How is the nexus 5X on Verizon? I'm coming from the HTC One M8, and I've never had an unlocked phone before. Since the M8 has a nano sim i've heard that you can just pop it in the 5X and be up and running.
I've found no issue with my 5X on Verizon. I was previously using a 2013 Moto X so I simply removed the nano SIM from my Moto X and popped it into my 5X. It connected right up to Verizon's network and I was able to make/receive calls and use the Internet as expected. I've not attempted to setup HD Voice or simultaneous voice/data - but it's currently doing everything my Moto X was doing before the SIM swap.
Came from an S6, and I've had no issues so far. Just popped my nano sim in and I was up and running. There's an option under Cellular Network Settings called Enhanced 4G LTE Mode, which activates VoLTE and it works great. Only thing I've noticed is that it looks like VZW is blocking the latest OTA's...they can easily be sideloaded, but it's still annoying.
Mine works perfectly, in fact data has been more consistent than my old phone I bought that was locked to verizon. I did have to get a new sim card but I got it set up and it hasn't had any problems whatsoever.
I was trying 5x and moto x pure (2015) side by side and moto x reported better signal consistently. I even RMAed the 5x thinking there was a hardware issue, but the second unit had similar signal strength.
The moto x was on lollipop so there could have been a difference in the reporting of signal ? (Not sure) But the 5x did however drop to 3g more often than the moto x, but the 5x quickly regained lte.
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Thanks for the feedback everyone! My 5X should arrive in a few days, can't wait lol
So Verizon is no longer blocking any phone that has an ESN that isn't in their system already?
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I'm on my 3rd device now on vzw. My problem has been 100% software however. The phone has struggled and failed to receive mms (primarily group messaging) on both previous devices. On the device I got today I didn't insert my sim until the device was set up and the device had an OTA waiting. I installed the software update and viola, no more mms problems. It is worth noting that my previous device was on an older build and reported no updates so I would recommend setting up on WiFi before popping the sim in
Ok so I have never owned a Nexus device but am seriously thinking about replacing my Moto X 2014 with a 5X. This may be a dumb question but does buying the 5X for use on Verizon result in any of the crappy lockdowns/restrictions/bloatware from Verizon ending up on the phone? I ask because even though I bought my MX14 (not an upgrade) directly from Moto it still ended up with vzw bloatware, no tethering, no updates etc. due to it being a Verizon device. Are the Nexus phones "immune" to this? After the Verizon/Moto flap over not updating the MX14 I am looking for a phone that will get updates and bug fixes in a timely manner not whenever Verizon feels like it.
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Ok so I have never owned a Nexus device but am seriously thinking about replacing my Moto X 2014 with a 5X. This may be a dumb question but does buying the 5X for use on Verizon result in any of the crappy lockdowns/restrictions/bloatware from Verizon ending up on the phone? I ask because even though I bought my MX14 (not an upgrade) directly from Moto it still ended up with vzw bloatware, no tethering, no updates etc. due to it being a Verizon device. Are the Nexus phones "immune" to this? After the Verizon/Moto flap over not updating the MX14 I am looking for a phone that will get updates and bug fixes in a timely manner not whenever Verizon feels like it.
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I don't know that I would say it is "immune"; but I initially used my 5X on Verizon, and I do not recall any of the Verizon-related apps being installed on my 5X.
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Ok so I have never owned a Nexus device but am seriously thinking about replacing my Moto X 2014 with a 5X. This may be a dumb question but does buying the 5X for use on Verizon result in any of the crappy lockdowns/restrictions/bloatware from Verizon ending up on the phone? I ask because even though I bought my MX14 (not an upgrade) directly from Moto it still ended up with vzw bloatware, no tethering, no updates etc. due to it being a Verizon device. Are the Nexus phones "immune" to this? After the Verizon/Moto flap over not updating the MX14 I am looking for a phone that will get updates and bug fixes in a timely manner not whenever Verizon feels like it.
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I just received my N5X yesterday and activated it on Verizon. Since it is the exact same phone that is used for all carriers, there is not a single app related to Verizon pre-installed on this thing.
I turned it on and got an update prompt as soon as I got to the home screen, but I wanted to manually flash the latest release anyways so I didn't bother to see what version it was trying to upgrade me to.
With the Nexus devices, Google will release the updates publicly, so I would recommend learning how to apply them yourself rather than waiting for an OTA on the phone.
cambunch said:
I just received my N5X yesterday and activated it on Verizon. Since it is the exact same phone that is used for all carriers, there is not a single app related to Verizon pre-installed on this thing.
I turned it on and got an update prompt as soon as I got to the home screen, but I wanted to manually flash the latest release anyways so I didn't bother to see what version it was trying to upgrade me to.
With the Nexus devices, Google will release the updates publicly, so I would recommend learning how to apply them yourself rather than waiting for an OTA on the phone.
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Not taking OTA updates is an interesting thought. That would not have occurred to me. Do the OTA's come from Google or VZW?
JoeHockey said:
Not taking OTA updates is an interesting thought. That would not have occurred to me. Do the OTA's come from Google or VZW?
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The OTAs would come from Google. Verizon is very hands-off on this device (they don't even have a thumbnail image for it under your account page on their website).
JoeHockey said:
This may be a dumb question but does buying the 5X for use on Verizon result in any of the crappy lockdowns/restrictions/bloatware from Verizon ending up on the phone? I ask because even though I bought my MX14 (not an upgrade) directly from Moto it still ended up with vzw bloatware, no tethering, no updates etc. due to it being a Verizon device. Are the Nexus phones "immune" to this?
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You'd order the 5X from Google (or whoever) and it will be the general U.S. device -- same one you would use on AT&T, etc. All you need to do is put a VZW nano sim w/ NFC in it (either a preexisting one you have, or a corporate store will give you one for free if you are a current customer). So, there will be no pre-installed VZW bloat. The only thing I would be careful of is the Play Store -- it will have a record of all prior apps installed, some of which (unless your remove them from your account history) will be VZW bloat. I would be careful to set up your phone as a new device during initial set up and also be careful about what you allow the Play Store to do automatically. Presumably if it did install bloat from your account history you could just uninstall but why risk it.
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Not taking OTA updates is an interesting thought. That would not have occurred to me. Do the OTA's come from Google or VZW?
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They come from Google. Carriers have a limited ability to delay Android version updates but not security updates. Google's official policy statement is here (scroll down to "Timing for software updates" | "Nexus devices"). For what it is worth, I am on VZW and I received the March update over-the-air on the first or second day it was available. You can always sideload via stock recovery in any event -- you don't need to be rooted or unlock your bootloader, but you do need a USB A-to-C cable (unless your computer has a USB C port).
No doubt I am guilty of resurrecting an old thread but this is the question I have. The N5X has a few different model numbers and I need to make sure I buy one that works on Verizon, or a Verizon MVNO. The inclusive list is: H790 (TD-LTE), H791 (TD-LTE), H791F (LTE-A), and the H798 (TD-LTE). The 790 & 798 feature CDMA bands so I suspect it is these...
People selling these have no clue...
Can anyone help me answer this question?
Just curious... What are some Rootable Phones for Verizon with Custom Rom support? I'm looking to move on from the Note 4.. What do you guys Recommend? Thanks
Majority of phones are escpecially flagship devices look up the model with the word root at the end make sure whatever u find is for your model and your Android version then follow root instructions EXACTLY
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Stay away from the Note 4. Its locked down tight, there will be no root.
Keep an eye on this thread and you could possibly buy a Note 4 Developer Edition. You'd have to buy it outright but it'd be worth it. That's how I got mine. If you buy from Verizon or another retail outlet you'll end up paying full price over time anyway. There is no better phone than the N4DE.
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Majority of phones are escpecially flagship devices look up the model with the word root at the end make sure whatever u find is for your model and your Android version then follow root instructions EXACTLY
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Not really useful. The majority have HAD root on lower firmware, ie: note 3.
What would be useful to know is what phones have MAINTAINED root throughout all OTA.
Locked bootloadet is a different story. Almost impossible with all phones after Note 2.
Telemachus said:
Not really useful. The majority have HAD root on lower firmware, ie: note 3.
What would be useful to know is what phones have MAINTAINED root throughout all OTA.
Locked bootloadet is a different story. Almost impossible with all phones after Note 2.
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I abandoned 5 verizon lines over the VZW note 4
In my area of the country, T-mobile signal is great, and all their flagships are rootable/rom-able, even the ones that dont have root on other carriers (ATT, Sprint). Note 5 is rooted, rommed on T-mo, not on VZW. I am really sorry to see that; all my old pals after 10 years on verizon are locked out of their phones. I couldn't stand it anymore.
I hope things work out for you. Some folks can't easily switch; or dont want to, and I'm not trying to sell a fanboy stance- just sharing what I had to do to get what I actually wanted to pay for.
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I abandoned 5 verizon lines over the VZW note 4
In my area of the country, T-mobile signal is great, and all their flagships are rootable/rom-able, even the ones that dont have root on other carriers (ATT, Sprint). Note 5 is rooted, rommed on T-mo, not on VZW. I am really sorry to see that; all my old pals after 10 years on verizon are locked out of their phones. I couldn't stand it anymore.
I hope things work out for you. Some folks can't easily switch; or dont want to, and I'm not trying to sell a fanboy stance- just sharing what I had to do to get what I actually wanted to pay for.
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I hear you. With five UDP lines, Verizon has me around its pinky. I must play its game, and bend over and take its locked down phones, as they have me addicted to their LTE crack and unlimited hotspot.
Nexus phones, DE phones, and XDA are the silver lining.
Once UDP gets officially killed, it's off to an MVNO.
But here is my list of known rootable phones:
GS3 on latest firmware
Note 2 on latest firmware (4.4.2)
Note 3 ONLY prior to 4.4.4
GS5 on 5.0 (need to downgrade to KK)
And phones I have with NO root.
Note 4 on any firmware
Note 5
V10
Note 3 on 4.4.4
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Nexus phones, DE phones, and XDA are the silver lining.
But here is my list of known rootable phones:
GS3 on latest firmware
Note 2 on latest firmware (4.4.2)
Note 3 ONLY prior to 4.4.4
GS5 on 5.0 (need to downgrade to KK)
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To add to this, the Moto X Pure.
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To add to this, the Moto X Pure.
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I think it goes without saying that DE and Pure phones are rootable.
I think a list of retail phones with root is what this thread should be about.
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I think it goes without saying that DE and Pure phones are rootable.
I think a list of retail phones with root is what this thread should be about.
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Lg g4 has root on latest ota
Telemachus said:
I hear you. With five UDP lines, Verizon has me around its pinky. I must play its game, and bend over and take its locked down phones, as they have me addicted to their LTE crack and unlimited hotspot.
Nexus phones, DE phones, and XDA are the silver lining.
Once UDP gets officially killed, it's off to an MVNO.
But here is my list of known rootable phones:
GS3 on latest firmware
Note 2 on latest firmware (4.4.2)
Note 3 ONLY prior to 4.4.4
GS5 on 5.0 (need to downgrade to KK)
And phones I have with NO root.
Note 4 on any firmware
Note 5
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I'm in the same boat brother. I've tried the v10 but I'm addicted to Viper4Android and do pentesting. Root is a mandatory for me.
The thing that pisses me off about Verizon is I should be able to use my Hardware to its full capacity and potential given that I paid for the Hardware in full and I'm not on a monthly payment plan. I think Verizon's rationale is for customer safety, however people who know how to root their phone know how to protect their phone. I can compare it to Cable television.... I refuse to buy Cable because I don't want to pay to watch advertisements. I think it's absurd that these companies can charge you for data or television and then use your own money in way that you did not approve of. Its like bloat for phones or popup advertisements from verizon to buy more upgrades/roadside freaking assistance. I didn't approve of my data to be used by verizon to sell me stuff. My usage in terms of the things transmitted to my phone should be a one way street... nothing should come to my phone that I didn't ask for including Verizon's various pop up services for premium voicemail excetera.
In my opinion its unauthorized use of the things that I paid for and I own. And its stupid that I cant utilize my 600 dollar phone to its potential when I've paid for all services software and hardware.
but Verizon's full of a bunch of sh!t heads anyways that's why either workers are on strike.
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This would be good info if it was updated as Verizon phones gain root. I have the Moto Z, bought it before checking XDA, now i'm kicking myself in the ass! Sad thing though, is none of the other Verizon phones even appealed to me, minus the LG G5, but that one i don't think even has root yet either.
I have the LG v10 and rooted but no bootload3r unlock. Now that the note 4 is rootable and the bootload3r can be unlocked, I'm scrapping my v10 and buying the note 4 retail.
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Note 4 king of the verizon hill for power users hands down.
For rooting and bootloader unlocking there isn't a Verizon phone better suited than the Nexus 6P. Better than the note 4.
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For rooting and bootloader unlocking there isn't a Verizon phone better suited than the Nexus 6P. Better than the note 4.
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Maybe. But I can replace my battery, insert a SD card and have the S-Pen. The Nexus 6P will get Nougat and whatever will follow while the Note 4 will only get security updates.
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Maybe. But I can replace my battery, insert a SD card and have the S-Pen. The Nexus 6P will get Nougat and whatever will follow while the Note 4 will only get security updates.
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Nexus 6p will only get whatever update you allow it. I never take updates when I root. Plus I never stay with the stock ROM. I use CM13. With the Nexus having 128gb of space there's no issues with space but I will agree it needs a swappable battery.
I am looking to buy a Pixel 2XL 3rd party. I use T-Mobile and this is the Verizon version. I know it'll work on T-Mobile just fine however are there any differences between the Verizon and Unlocked versions such as timely updates?
I dont think so cause from what I've read Verizon people have gotten updates faster than I have. Only thing is if you plan to Unlock/Root but there has been threads saying its able to be done for the regular Pixel but not sure about the 2, I havent looked into the threads much as I have the Google version if I ever decide to do so. To me there really isnt a point to do it because the phone works so well without it.
So far no main difference in the two both. The Verizon one is just sold to the carrier portal but when used on another carrier it works just fine GSM or another CDMA carrier.
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The verizon device bootloader cannot be unlocked as far as I know.
That's a rather important difference to note Id say.
Dont waste money on it, buy the google version.
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I think Verizon sells all of its phones locked. Maybe the Pixel 2 XL is different.
Taking a Verizon Pixel 2 XL and using it on a network other than Verizon is probably a lot easier than taking a Pixel 2 XL bought directly from Google as an unlocked phone and using it on Verizon. So luckily you don't have to do that.
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I think Verizon sells all of its phones locked. Maybe the Pixel 2 XL is different.
Taking a Verizon Pixel 2 XL and using it on a network other than Verizon is probably a lot easier than taking a Pixel 2 XL bought directly from Google as an unlocked phone and using it on Verizon. So luckily you don't have to do that.
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Really dude? The VZW XL 2 is locked - hence why there is a bounty thread......
Really dude? It's very easy to use a Google XL on VZW...put sim card in and that's it.
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Really dude? The VZW XL 2 is locked - hence why there is a bounty thread......
Really dude? It's very easy to use a Google XL on VZW...put sim card in and that's it.
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Verizon must have changed in the last year or so then. Last time I was looking into Verizon they were really strict.
First of all, at least in the past, the SIM card on Verizon phones only activated the LTE portion of the connection. The CDMA portion used for calls and SMS still used the standard CDMA registration process than Verizon had always used.
Another thing that Verizon does, or used to do, is not allow just any phone on its network. Verizon required (again, his might have changed recently) phones to be provisioned on their network manually and if it wasn't a phone that Verizon sold they would usually say no. That is why phones like the Nexus 5 and Nexus 5X were almost impossible to use on Verizon despite the fact that the hardware was fully compatible with Verizon's network.
I guess Verizon must have changed the way it does things. From what you say simply entering a Verizon SIM card into a compatible unlocked phone will work without Verizon interaction and will register both the CDMA and LTE portions on Verizon's network
jimv1983 said:
Verizon must have changed in the last year or so then. Last time I was looking into Verizon they were really strict.
First of all, at least in the past, the SIM card on Verizon phones only activated the LTE portion of the connection. The CDMA portion used for calls and SMS still used the standard CDMA registration process than Verizon had always used.
Another thing that Verizon does, or used to do, is not allow just any phone on its network. Verizon required (again, his might have changed recently) phones to be provisioned on their network manually and if it wasn't a phone that Verizon sold they would usually say no. That is why phones like the Nexus 5 and Nexus 5X were almost impossible to use on Verizon despite the fact that the hardware was fully compatible with Verizon's network.
I guess Verizon must have changed the way it does things. From what you say simply entering a Verizon SIM card into a compatible unlocked phone will work without Verizon interaction and will register both the CDMA and LTE portions on Verizon's network
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All of that is great and true...but if you don't know for sure please don't spread misinformation. Have good night sir
twiz0r said:
All of that is great and true...but if you don't know for sure please don't spread misinformation. Have good night sir
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Have you tried using a phone other than the Pixel 2 XL that was not bought from Verizon on Verizon's network? What I said was true as recently as early November 2017. My friend has Verizon. His old phone died and he needed a phone to get him through a few weeks until he could get a new one. I tried to let him borrow my old Nexus 5X. From a hardware standpoint the Nexus 5X is fully compatible with Verizon. He put in his Verizon SIM card in and..... nothing. He called Verizon to see what the issue was. They said they won't activate it because the phone wasn't purchased from them. He went into a Verizon store in person and was told the same thing. Again, that was less than 3 months ago.
I did notice in my original post I did say in the "last year or so". That should have said "the last month or so". Sorry for the confusion that might have caused.
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Have you tried using a phone other than the Pixel 2 XL that was not bought from Verizon on Verizon's network? What I said was true as recently as early November 2017. My friend has Verizon. His old phone died and he needed a phone to get him through a few weeks until he could get a new one. I tried to let him borrow my old Nexus 5X. From a hardware standpoint the Nexus 5X is fully compatible with Verizon. He put in his Verizon SIM card in and..... nothing. He called Verizon to see what the issue was. They said they won't activate it because the phone wasn't purchased from them. He went into a Verizon store in person and was told the same thing. Again, that was less than 3 months ago.
I did notice in my original post I did say in the "last year or so". That should have said "the last month or so". Sorry for the confusion that might have caused.
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I have bought several non verizon phones over the last several years and the only phone I had an issue with trying to get to work was a verizon pre-paid which they would not let me use on their service since it had never been activated before so they just want to get as much money as possible. I had the old unlimited plan and bought smartphones used on att and had no problem getting them activated several times.
Oh yes! Buy a Verizon phone, They all come with red handcuffs so that you can't alter the device in any way.
With a Verison phone you never really own the phone but you do have the privilege of paying for it.
Big red knows best.
CptnSpaulding71 said:
I have bought several non verizon phones over the last several years and the only phone I had an issue with trying to get to work was a verizon pre-paid which they would not let me use on their service since it had never been activated before so they just want to get as much money as possible. I had the old unlimited plan and bought smartphones used on att and had no problem getting them activated several times.
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Interesting. Maybe it was a model of phone that Verizon did sell even if that actual phone wasn't bought from them and that was enough? Or maybe you were just lucky? I just know what I/my friend have experienced and I have heard of it happening to other people over the years. Although those other cases weren't very recent and I don't know what phones they were.
Honestly, the fact that it has to be "activated" by Verizon is bull****. When I got my Nexus 5, Nexus 5X and Pixel 2 XL there was no need for for the phones to be activated by AT&T. When I switched phones AT&T didn't even know about it.
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Really dude? The VZW XL 2 is locked - hence why there is a bounty thread......
Really dude? It's very easy to use a Google XL on VZW...put sim card in and that's it.
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I just bought a Google version Pixel 2 XL from swappa. I went to a VZW authorized retailer, bought a Sim for $10 - profit. I didn't even get slapped with the one time $3O activation fee!
When I bought my wife's Iphoe 8 plus VZW hammered me with that $30 fee, hence now I always go to side chain VZW retailers not bug red HQ in my area.
Connecting an Unlocked Pixel XL2 on Verizon - No Verizon Software Wanted
I currently have an Unlocked Nexus 6P running on Verizon which was set up by a Verizon store support member in Jan 2016 when they weren't selling the phone. Seems to work fine, except the phone connectivity is a bit poor in less populated areas (Assuming that not all bands are supported).
Recently (Dec 2017) bought an Unlocked Pixel XL2 and intend to connect to Verizon. Reason I bought an Unlocked phone from Google is my desire to not have any Verizon software / bloatware installed when I put my SIM in and connect to the network; Not intending to root, just to avoid.
Anyone have any thoughts / input on how I can insure no Verizon garbage on the new phone during activation? Phone cost more just to avoid and I need to be sure I don't mess the activation up.
Thank you.
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I currently have an Unlocked Nexus 6P running on Verizon which was set up by a Verizon store support member in Jan 2016 when they weren't selling the phone. Seems to work fine, except the phone connectivity is a bit poor in less populated areas (Assuming that not all bands are supported).
Recently (Dec 2017) bought an Unlocked Pixel XL2 and intend to connect to Verizon. Reason I bought an Unlocked phone from Google is my desire to not have any Verizon software / bloatware installed when I put my SIM in and connect to the network; Not intending to root, just to avoid.
Anyone have any thoughts / input on how I can insure no Verizon garbage on the new phone during activation? Phone cost more just to avoid and I need to be sure I don't mess the activation up.
Thank you.
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Wow. I'm amazed that Verizon allowed a Nexus 6P on its network since it never sold that phone. I tried to let my friend (who is a Verizon customer) use my Nexus 5X while he was waiting to get a new phone. Two different Verizon employees refused to register the phone on the Verizon network.
Twinsxchange said:
I currently have an Unlocked Nexus 6P running on Verizon which was set up by a Verizon store support member in Jan 2016 when they weren't selling the phone. Seems to work fine, except the phone connectivity is a bit poor in less populated areas (Assuming that not all bands are supported).
Recently (Dec 2017) bought an Unlocked Pixel XL2 and intend to connect to Verizon. Reason I bought an Unlocked phone from Google is my desire to not have any Verizon software / bloatware installed when I put my SIM in and connect to the network; Not intending to root, just to avoid.
Anyone have any thoughts / input on how I can insure no Verizon garbage on the new phone during activation? Phone cost more just to avoid and I need to be sure I don't mess the activation up.
Thank you.
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This is just my personal experience, and not necessarily a guide. I've been on Big Red for 10+ years. When I went from a Verizon S5 to the Nexus 6p, I simply cut my micro sim card to make it a nano sim card. I booted up the 6p without the sim, and went through the Google setup process. Then I shut the phone off, installed the sim card, booted up and bang. Have full Verizon service, HD calling and Volte, and no Verizon bloat. Then, this past November when I got the P2XL, I did the same thing, with the same results. My point is, I have yet to speak with a Verizon rep, or go through an activation process. All my services work just fine, and still have no Verizon bloat. My P2XL is rooted, and when I dirty flash the monthly factory images, everything is still fine with no Verizon bloat. Hope this helps ?
I've not run a Verizon branded on big red since November of 2015, with a Moto X Pure Edition, followed by a Nexus 6P, followed by a Moto Z2 Play (not the Verizon version), followed by an OG Pixel XL(not the Verizon version), followed by an LG G6 (not the Verizon version), followed by a Pixel 2 XL (not the Verizon version).
When I got the MXPE, I had a Samsung Galaxy S4. It had a micro SIM. I bought a sim cutter and copied it down to a nano. Popped it into the MXPE and didn't look back. Eventually I got a real nano sim, but no issues.
If you wish to use a phone on Verizon, that is not on their list of authorized phones, the sim simply has to be "activated" on a Verizon phone and then you can put it in any phone. As long as the phone has the proper CDMA band support, you'll be good to go with no service issues.
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Wow. I'm amazed that Verizon allowed a Nexus 6P on its network since it never sold that phone. I tried to let my friend (who is a Verizon customer) use my Nexus 5X while he was waiting to get a new phone. Two different Verizon employees refused to register the phone on the Verizon network.
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It's not amazing. Verizon has allowed compatible phones to work on their network for years. I had a nexus 6p, google version pixel xl, and google version pixel 2 xl on verizon.
nomisunrider said:
It's not amazing. Verizon has allowed compatible phones to work on their network for years. I had a nexus 6p, google version pixel xl, and google version pixel 2 xl on verizon.
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The Google version of the Pixel's make more sense because Verizon does (or did sell those phones). The Nexus 6P and other phones that are compatible but not sold by Verizon are a different story. You must have gotten lucky being able to get a Nexus 6P working on Verizon. They wouldn't allow the Nexus 5X on Verizon and it's just as compatible with Verizon as the Nexus 6P.
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The Google version of the Pixel's make more sense because Verizon does (or did sell those phones). The Nexus 6P and other phones that are compatible but not sold by Verizon are a different story. You must have gotten lucky being able to get a Nexus 6P working on Verizon. They wouldn't allow the Nexus 5X on Verizon and it's just as compatible with Verizon as the Nexus 6P.
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I stuck an active SIM in a Nexus 5x and used it for almost a year on Verizon with full functionality. Then I took the same card and used it in a 6p. Hate your luck but I've been swapping SIM cards on Verizon for years using branded and unlocked phones and never had any trouble.