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I've noticed on my e975 EU version even with 0-1 apps open the ram free is only 1gb... Other phones have far more ram available including my previous nexus 4. Anyone else notice this? I often find with quite a few apps open I only have 2-300mb free
I've never seen less than 500mb free but its true. Never more than 1gb.
I checked earlier with 0 apps running it was at almost 1gb used.. what on earth is using almost 1gb!? If phones with only 1gb can use less than that on jelly bean.. why does this phone use so much?
According to ram usage i am using approx 400mb, task manager says im using 800mb. Maybe 400mb is reserved for system? This is on stock rom with only a few apps installed.
Keep in mind free ram is wasted ram. Free ram is like having a fast car and only using first gear. Still curious to know where it all ram is used nontheless.
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I get what your saying with 'Free ram is wasted ram' but when you run out of ram.... things will start to stutter.
Having a few apps open to find you only have like 300mb left is insane.
I've had phones with only 1gb ram before and with lots of apps open they are using like 700mb/1000mb... it's almost like this phone is going 'Oh I have 2gb available so i'm just going to chomp up 1gb for the sake of it and leave you with 1gb left....'
If you're root use an app called "Greenify". Simply hibernate the apps that don't use adding to the list of the app, then add the widget to hibernate the app that you added (all except whatsapp, twitter in my case). In addition I use a tasker manager (don't added to greenify) and add a widget too, that combination gave me 1,2 gb free using a lot of widgets
Im stock un-rooted.
I only have 2 widgets on my home screens, 1 is the standard world clock and the other is play music. Tried removing both and it barely made a dent...
kalo88 said:
Im stock un-rooted.
I only have 2 widgets on my home screens, 1 is the standard world clock and the other is play music. Tried removing both and it barely made a dent...
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That's weird, only 900 mb free?? Mmmm, try using advanced task manager from the play store (I don't remember if root is needed), that will free you more memory. But in the 900 doesn't mean that the phone will be heavier, backward the used ram is exploited to make the Optimus lighter
Seems odd eh...
I also have 600 - 700 MB of RAM when I do not use anything.
There are just icons on my homepage, and a calendar widget (stock one).
At this case, It gives me 600-700 MB of free RAM. I always use "clear RAM" button. But why it gives us so limited free ram?
I used to use 4X HD with 1GB of RAM. There were 350-400 MB free which almost same with this optimus g?
Can someone explain this situation?
Or I think we need a new update. or CM10.1
It just feels like the phone is using up too much or isn't optimised properly.
As said above, phones with only 1gb available use about 3-500mb... Our phone with 2gb available seems to use about 900mb-1gb with nothing running. It's like it's gone 'Oh there's twice as much free so I'll just use twice as much...'
What about the AOSP custom Roms ...is the ram usage is same on that kind of Roms too?
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No clue, i'm 100% stock unrooted Maybe someone will know.
My nexus 4 was far better at ram usage than my optimus g mind you. No matter what it never used more than 1.2gb
I think the Lg UI(stock firmware) is a memory hungry ...i suggest to try AOSP roms with lg skin :thumbup:
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Using cm10.1 and have always about 1.4gb free, and this is more than enough for everything.
Y, stock rom have a crazy high ram usage, now im on PA and got 1.2gb free.
My doubt would be if, on stock rom, you get many slowdowns when you experience this high RAM usage. For me (who doesn't still have a LGOG, but is seriously thinking of buying one), it's the thing that matters most - if the lack of free RAM results in worse usage.
Otherwise, most efforts could do more harm than good - a task killer that kills an app which will restart seconds later is wasting RAM and battery instead of saving them.
I'd give priority to greenifying unruly apps you need often and freezing apps you rarely/never need but won't/can't uninstall (with Titanium Backup, or any other app that can freeze system apps) - always making sure you're not freezing some system app that will bring your phone to its knees. With this well configured, I'd say a task killer would only bennefit those of you that rarely use your phone. Everyone who often takes it out of their pocket and updates Facebook/Twitter or plays games should let Android take care of itself, as it will keep in memory the apps you've been using the most - as it should.
Don't use task killer apps, they aren't good for Android. Maybe something like a LMK Manager but you need root to change lmk.
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It just feels like the phone is using up too much or isn't optimised properly.
As said above, phones with only 1gb available use about 3-500mb... Our phone with 2gb available seems to use about 900mb-1gb with nothing running. It's like it's gone 'Oh there's twice as much free so I'll just use twice as much...'
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M$ Windows does the same thing - if you have 2GB it uses only the half, if you have 8GB is use nearly 3,5-4GB. I think it preloads a few things including the most common used apps in memory perhaps?
I have been trying to figure out why the Note has so little of the 3 gb of ram available at any given time. After a fresh boot, I might have 1.3 - 1.5 available, but that quickly disappears.
I have frozen all unnecessary apps with Titanium Backup, yet after launching just a few apps, I'll be down to 300 mb or so. Looking at the active applications list in task manager, the apps listed are nowhere near to adding up to over a gb of ram.
Tablet seems to be performing fine, I'd just like to know where the ram is going and why. Especially when tablets with 2 gb of ram seem to have much more free at any given time.
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i am with you on this issue. would like to find out for my self as well! constantly having to clear ram.
youtube, gmail, and browers = 2.1 gb / 3 gb ...
what the heck?
i constantly have to go back and clear apps, this is such a let down because my htc one could load much more than this, and every1 knows, htc one is no where near the spec of note 2014..
I'm not rooted but I noticed the same thing with the ram, I thought rooting and freezing some Samsung apps, specially Knox stuff, would free up a lot of ram. I'm starting to think that it's not a big deal and Android frees up ram as needed before it starts to get laggy (of course it's not perfect). I think lag issues are somewhere else and not so much in freeing up more ram. Don't you feel anyway that your note is a lot faster after rooting and freezing those apps? As far as I know most rooted users feel that way...(?)
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I have rooted mine about two weeks ago then froze all sort of junk listed in here and some other I identified mysefl. Now my used ram remains around 500 clean and around 700-800 when I open few apps. So guys the secret is getting a lot of useless apps frozen especially knox stuff.
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I have been trying to figure out why the Note has so little of the 3 gb of ram available at any given time. After a fresh boot, I might have 1.3 - 1.5 available, but that quickly disappears.
I have frozen all unnecessary apps with Titanium Backup, yet after launching just a few apps, I'll be down to 300 mb or so. Looking at the active applications list in task manager, the apps listed are nowhere near to adding up to over a gb of ram.
Tablet seems to be performing fine, I'd just like to know where the ram is going and why. Especially when tablets with 2 gb of ram seem to have much more free at any given time.
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Android is based on Linux. Android and Linux both run better when they use as much ram as possible. If you Google Android ram usage you can find a couple of interesting articles about this.
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Android is based on Linux. Android and Linux both run better when they use as much ram as possible. If you Google Android ram usage you can find a couple of interesting articles about this.
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Yup, stuff is kept in the RAM as much as possible to increase performance. As soon as an app requires more RAM than is available, the system moves apps from the RAM as required. Clearing the RAM only increases the time it takes to start an app next time.
I would be disappointed if its NOT beeing used...
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Yup, stuff is kept in the RAM as much as possible to increase performance. As soon as an app requires more RAM than is available, the system moves apps from the RAM as required. Clearing the RAM only increases the time it takes to start an app next time.
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People are used to Windows needing free ram and do realize that Linux is a completely different animal altogether.
Here is the article for those that want to understand the ram usage.
http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
Okay, guys. Disclaimer: I'm an IT professional and the Mobility expert for my company. I know how the RAM is used and why. I'm just curious as to what is using it. Especially in comparison to the Nexus 10, which has 2/3 of the RAM and has approximately the same amount available at any given time.
I wasn't looking for assurance that this is how it's supposed to work. I'm curious as to what you guys think is actually filling it up. Since I have disabled most unnecessary processes and only run a few apps at any given time, I can't see why so little is free.
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... I'm curious as to what you guys think is actually filling it up. Since I have disabled most unnecessary processes and only run a few apps at any given time, I can't see why so little is free.
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The objective of good android RAM management is to keep RAM full of the the highest priority apps. This enables faster and smoother response. The apps that are in RAM on your device will be different than on someone else's device. If you are curious about how android decides what put in RAM and what to take out, do a google search on "android process lifecycle"
if you're concerned about ram usage go to dev settings and change the "Limit background processes" to something more you liking.
Hi,
I own a G3 with 2 GB of RAM, like my previous Nexus 4.
In the N4, with CM-11 or AOSP, and with the same apps that I use in the G3, the free amount of memory was more than 1 GB all the time,
but in the G3 I have 300-400 MB since a few minutes of restart it, and only 500-600 just after the restart.
Any solution to this? Really is relevant?
Thanks!
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Hi,
I own a G3 with 2 GB of RAM, like my previous Nexus 4.
In the N4, with CM-11 or AOSP, and with the same apps that I use in the G3, the free amount of memory was more than 1 GB all the time,
but in the G3 I have 300-400 MB since a few minutes of restart it, and only 500-600 just after the restart.
Any solution to this? Really is relevant?
Thanks!
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Having also the almost same amount of free ram and for me, it pretty much sticks there, no matter how many apps are opened, sometimes there is a launcher redraw, but except of that i haven't faced any problems at multitasking.
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Having also the almost same amount of free ram and for me, it pretty much sticks there, no matter how many apps are opened, sometimes there is a launcher redraw, but except of that i haven't faced any problems at multitasking.
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yes, which most noticeable is in the redraw of the launcher, especially when closes the gallery app
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yes, which most noticeable is in the redraw of the launcher, especially when closes the gallery app
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This can easily be fixed though, with a third party launcher with persist in memory enabled.
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This can easily be fixed though, with a third party launcher with persist in memory enabled.
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Yes, but this really don't solves the issue. Only masks
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Yes, but this really don't solves the issue. Only masks
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Well, i must confess it's not a real issue to me, I'm using pretty many widgets and the only one i really notice it is the clock/weather widget, everything else is almost instantly back up.
But that's just me. For sure it will be way better when the first aosp roms come up, because of their way lower memory footprint.
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Wait for CM11 come to our G3
Then compare the RAM usage
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Free ram is wasted ram.
Android, or more specifically Linux doesn't use ram in the same way as Windows would, it retains things in memory so that you can quickly resume it when you need it (therefore having less impact on the CPU and battery).
Lennyuk said:
Free ram is wasted ram.
Android, or more specifically Linux doesn't use ram in the same way as Windows would, it retains things in memory so that you can quickly resume it when you need it (therefore having less impact on the CPU and battery).
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But on this device it is not being managed properly. At least the launcher should be kept in memory without the user having to root and do it him/herself.
These problems were fairly common when high end devices had 1gb ram but with a relatively light launcher and 2gb ram there is no excuse IMO.
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But on this device it is not being managed properly. At least the launcher should be kept in memory without the user having to root and do it him/herself.
These problems were fairly common when high end devices had 1gb ram but with a relatively light launcher and 2gb ram there is no excuse IMO.
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I have had no issues with the launcher redrawing, I did have some minor lag when I was purely stock, but removing a few LG apps that I would never use has solved this.
Lennyuk said:
Free ram is wasted ram.
Android, or more specifically Linux doesn't use ram in the same way as Windows would, it retains things in memory so that you can quickly resume it when you need it (therefore having less impact on the CPU and battery).
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How many times did you tell this chant allready^^
And sure you're true, but the well known (from the galaxy s3 at least, which is my former device) launcher redraw is based on the available amount of ram, the thing isn't really the "free ram" here, it's more the amount of ram that can be freed up on demand to load something new into it and the launcher redraw points into the direction, that there sometimes is a shortage, because the data of the launcher has to be released, because there wouldn't be enough ram for the new application. This isn't the big issue, the launcher has no priority at this point and it takes a big amount of ram, so it's understandable that the system releases it's memory if there is more demand than currently "free". So the current "problem" is less related to "free" ram, but the lack of ram persistance of the launcher, combined with the amount of usable ram for the user, which can lead to freeing the memory of the launcher more often. This would happen to every launcher without persistance at every amount of available ram tough some times, but the higher the available ram, the less often it will happen.
That's not an issue for me, like already said, but the point behind it is understandable to me.
I've noticed in the kernel settings that 600mb of Ram is being used as ZRAM. Could this be an issue?
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Lennyuk said:
Free ram is wasted ram.
Android, or more specifically Linux doesn't use ram in the same way as Windows would, it retains things in memory so that you can quickly resume it when you need it (therefore having less impact on the CPU and battery).
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I'd still prefer to have 'free or wasted' RAM, at least you know you have some RAM spare plus apps do get killed faster and some don't retain all the information in the RAM (Asphalt 8 and other big games) and restart the app (when playing games and then browsing), but 3gb is doing fine for me
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How many times did you tell this chant allready^^
And sure you're true, but the well known (from the galaxy s3 at least, which is my former device) launcher redraw is based on the available amount of ram, the thing isn't really the "free ram" here, it's more the amount of ram that can be freed up on demand to load something new into it and the launcher redraw points into the direction, that there sometimes is a shortage, because the data of the launcher has to be released, because there wouldn't be enough ram for the new application. This isn't the big issue, the launcher has no priority at this point and it takes a big amount of ram, so it's understandable that the system releases it's memory if there is more demand than currently "free". So the current "problem" is less related to "free" ram, but the lack of ram persistance of the launcher, combined with the amount of usable ram for the user, which can lead to freeing the memory of the launcher more often. This would happen to every launcher without persistance at every amount of available ram tough some times, but the higher the available ram, the less often it will happen.
That's not an issue for me, like already said, but the point behind it is understandable to me.
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Launcher redraws are down to poorly coded apps, not the ram available on the device. Keeping more free ram is effectively just a dirty workaround to solving the issue that you are using a poorly coded app. Yes in this case its a stock app and there is little excuse for it, but it doesn't change the fact that it is the app at fault, not the devices ram. You shouldn't just keep throwing more ram at a device to counter the fact that people are not optimising their apps properly.
If the launcher had persistance then the device would probably be killing something else in its place, and I don't know about you but I like all my apps to work, I don't want any of them killed, therefore I would rather have a better coded app that meant that nothing needed to be killed. 2GB of ram is plenty for a device like this to cope just fine.
FYI - I removed LG's "voice" app and I have had plenty of free ram ever since.
Guys, stop blaming RAM management, it's done exactly as it should be done in Linux / Android. As Lenny said (multiple times) free RAM is wasted RAM. I'd rather see the phone use it. The problem, if there is one, is the launcher that doesn't handle "lack of free RAM" as it should. 3rd party launchers do that well (Nova for example), so LG is the one that needs to be blamed here. Having more free RAM would not solve the issue, only delay it.
On a related note, perceived lag might also comes from that: some people always close all open apps to free some RAM (for no reason), so restarting an app from scratch would indeed cause a small lag. If you keep them all in memory, perceived lag is reduced (not completely gone, but reduced a lot).
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Launcher redraws are down to poorly coded apps, not the ram available on the device. Keeping more free ram is effectively just a dirty workaround to solving the issue that you are using a poorly coded app. Yes in this case its a stock app and there is little excuse for it, but it doesn't change the fact that it is the app at fault, not the devices ram. You shouldn't just keep throwing more ram at a device to counter the fact that people are not optimising their apps properly.
If the launcher had persistance then the device would probably be killing something else in its place, and I don't know about you but I like all my apps to work, I don't want any of them killed, therefore I would rather have a better coded app that meant that nothing needed to be killed. 2GB of ram is plenty for a device like this to cope just fine.
FYI - I removed LG's "voice" app and I have had plenty of free ram ever since.
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Guys, stop blaming RAM management, it's done exactly as it should be done in Linux / Android. As Lenny said (multiple times) free RAM is wasted RAM. I'd rather see the phone use it. The problem, if there is one, is the launcher that doesn't handle "lack of free RAM" as it should. 3rd party launchers do that well (Nova for example), so LG is the one that needs to be blamed here. Having more free RAM would not solve the issue, only delay it.
On a related note, perceived lag might also comes from that: some people always close all open apps to free some RAM (for no reason), so restarting an app from scratch would indeed cause a small lag. If you keep them all in memory, perceived lag is reduced (not completely gone, but reduced a lot).
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I didn't really blame the ram nor the ram management, as i said, it's the launcher taking that much ram, that's why it probably get's killed earlier than others and yes, sure, that's an optimization issue. I also didn't say the system does anything wrong with it, i just tried to point out why it acts that way regarding the launcher and I also didn't say that it really is free ram I'm talking about, but available ram (with which i meant ram available for userspace apps, not ram amount not used).
Also I've never said more ram would be the fix, i said it would just happen less, because that's simply how it works and also like i said, it's not an issue for me, because i'm aware why it acts that way and even when it get's killed, it's almost instant back up, i just said, i can understand that someone could be annoyed about it.
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Guys, stop blaming RAM management, it's done exactly as it should be done in Linux / Android. As Lenny said (multiple times) free RAM is wasted RAM. I'd rather see the phone use it. The problem, if there is one, is the launcher that doesn't handle "lack of free RAM" as it should. 3rd party launchers do that well (Nova for example), so LG is the one that needs to be blamed here. Having more free RAM would not solve the issue, only delay it.
On a related note, perceived lag might also comes from that: some people always close all open apps to free some RAM (for no reason), so restarting an app from scratch would indeed cause a small lag. If you keep them all in memory, perceived lag is reduced (not completely gone, but reduced a lot).
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I had much the same Ram usage on my Nexus 5. I've been looking at an app that shows what is actually using the Ram and at any given time there's only around 1gb in actual use, the rest is cached files. All pretty normal. Incidentally, I've turned the Zram off using faux clock as you really don't need it in a 2gb device and you get a very slight performance boost and battery increase with it off.
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I just rooted mine and froze a load of apps I do not use and its defo speeded it up having around 600-750mb free
You could always go into developer options and turn on strict mode that will kill everything as soon as you leave it .... It has to free up ram huh ......
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You could always go into developer options and turn on strict mode that will kill everything as soon as you leave it .... It has to free up ram huh ......
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That would work You could also leave your phone switched off, to make sure it doesn't use any RAM at all
Hi there,
I have the ZF2 with 4GB of ram. After a couple of days of usage, it seems impossible to lower the ram usage below 1.8GB even when I clear the cache of all apps.
However, when I restart the device, my ram usage is below 1GB.
I have uninstall or disabled every app I could without rooting. & I don't want to root now.
Nonetheless, I would like to keep the ram usage of my device as low as possible (2GB of ram use seems a lot to me, especially when I have one or two apps open)
Did you find a tricks or ways to keep 2gb or more ram free at all time ?
Thank you.
Simply, there is no clear way and those numbers are normal. The best memory management is with native linux, not yet available on zenfone 2.
What's the point of always having 2gb of free ram? RAM is completely useless if you aren't using it.
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What's the point of always having 2gb of free ram? RAM is completely useless if you aren't using it.
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It's not a question of useful or useless. It's a question of is it possible and if yes, how.
Yes, keep the phone in deep sleep with all apps closed and disable everything in autostart , better yet, you can just power off the device
p.s: not even custom roms will run that low, I had cm12.1 with lg g3 3gb ram, I disabled basically everything and phone will still boot with at max 2gb free ram, maybe 2.2gb if you start killing launcher and sytem apps lol
4Gb ram with 2.2-3Gb free Ram is plenty for a cellphone. Its even plenty for a desktop unless you run hard core 3d games like crysis.
The lowest I have seen is 150Mb/1Gb usage with Nexus 7 v1 tablet yet it was hell slow. Note that the more Ram you have, the more the system will use it and cache in it. This will increase apps loading speed since they are directly loaded from Ram vs local storage.
I would love to have an app that lets you select what to cache in Ram, e.g. large high-resolution PDFs that take forever to open and load :crying: I have 300-800Mb PDFs that will take 1 min just to open.
Indeed, an option to decide what to cache would be great.
Can we expect less usage and caching with the 5.1 update or with a custom Rom?
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Hello Everyone!
At first, I thought it was just me but after searching I find that a lot of other owners on Reddit and even here face similar issues. I don't have more than a normal amount of apps installed. I don't use a 3rd party launcher either. The memory utilization log clearly says that the Android OS is eating up most of the RAM (1,2gb RAM).
I am using Nougat (7..1.2) right now with custom ROM by LineageOS ...My phone gets really slow , app switching slow and sometimes i get crashes (randomly).
Android OS usage is 1,2 GB and Facebook,Messenger,Instagram 150-200mb each..
My previous Roms were PureNexus (7.1.2) same problem after 6months,Google Pixel2 Rom for 3 days (8.1.0) same..
My question is : Is it me or Android is claiming lot of memory for better managment and allocation..? and if anyone using a stable rom without facing the same ram issues..
Thanks!
al13nas said:
Hello Everyone!
At first, I thought it was just me but after searching I find that a lot of other owners on Reddit and even here face similar issues. I don't have more than a normal amount of apps installed. I don't use a 3rd party launcher either. The memory utilization log clearly says that the Android OS is eating up most of the RAM (1,2gb RAM).
I am using Nougat (7..1.2) right now with custom ROM by LineageOS ...My phone gets really slow , app switching slow and sometimes i get crashes (randomly).
Android OS usage is 1,2 GB and Facebook,Messenger,Instagram 150-200mb each..
My previous Roms were PureNexus (7.1.2) same problem after 6months,Google Pixel2 Rom for 3 days (8.1.0) same..
My question is : Is it me or Android is claiming lot of memory for better managment and allocation..? and if anyone using a stable rom without facing the same ram issues..
Thanks!
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There's an old saying that free ram is wasted ram. Android does a good job of managing ram so you're never going to see a lot of free ram. You have nothing to worry about.
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jd1639 said:
There's an old saying that free ram is wasted ram. Android does a good job of managing ram so you're never going to see a lot of free ram. You have nothing to worry about.
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I dont need a lot of free ram.. i just need a smooth feel ( no crashes , lagging etc)
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al13nas said:
I dont need a lot of free ram.. i just need a smooth feel ( no crashes , lagging etc)
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I don't think you will get a smooth feel with newer versions of Android and the Nexus 5X with it's 2GB of RAM, which even at launch was criticised for not being very much, as most apps are unloaded as they move to the background to free up memory, so each time you launch an app it has to load from scratch. I was always seeing the Hangouts splash screen for example, it never stayed loaded after any amount of time, and these extra delays in loading apps is what causes the feeling of lag.
I've now just moved to a Pixel 2 with 4GB of memory and can see the difference straight away in that apps I can switch to instantly as they are not reloaded each time.
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Phil