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I don't know if anyone else has noticed this but on the internal memory of my E4T it only has 12GB of available space instead of the advertised 16GB. 4GB may not sound like much but I could really use the space and am trying to hold off on buying a microSD card.
If anyone can help with a solution or give me an answer on why this is it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
I believe it's a norm to falsely advertise storage space in GB now. Our 16Gb is actually 16000mb, which equals to 15.625gb.
2 of that is partitioned as System Memory. If I am not mistaken, the OS takes up the balance.
maxspiderx said:
I believe it's a norm to falsely advertise storage space in GB now. Our 16Gb is actually 16000mb, which equals to 15.625gb.
2 of that is partitioned as System Memory. If I am not mistaken, the OS takes up the balance.
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Bingo. They advertise the unformatted capacity.
And its not just Samsung... Take any flash drive or SD card, or even hard drive, and compare the ACTUAL free space with the advertised capacity. It will always be lower, sometimes significantly.
So the rumor is no SD card slot on this baby? I'm wondering how much it will matter? I am not too worried about room. I will just buy the biggest one available in terms of internal storage and be covered there. I'm more worried about development. I have rooted and installed custom Roms on my current Samsung Continuum, thanks to the good folks on this forum, and every method involves flashing the rom from the SD card. How will this be different without one? Is installing custom roms/themes, etc more difficult? I've never owned a Nexus S or any other phone that didn't have the SD card, so I am not sure how that works. T
Its not a rumor. And flashing from internal memory should not be a problem.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
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Its not a rumor. And flashing from internal memory should not be a problem.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
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Yeah they do it from the touchpad for cyanogen.
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It matters to some people. Doesn't matter to me. Never filled up my 16gb. NAND memory is way faster than sd cards.
It won't matter to flashing roms.
It will shipped partitioned like the Nexus S. Nexus S has no issues with it at all.
The internal memory is partitioned I have the nexus s on the box it says 16gb( I know with all my hard drives on all OS that you never get full capacity)
They partition it off and whats left over is then made to look like the SD card for android's storage purposes. You will not miss a thing when it comes to flashing roms and such, since the storage part still mounts the same way.
I rarely need the storage but those one the fence dontgforget about google music(and other services) that will backup your music to teh marvelous cloud and let you stream and even download for offline play to your phone
BrianDigital said:
I rarely need the storage but those one the fence dontgforget about google music(and other services) that will backup your music to teh marvelous cloud and let you stream and even download for offline play to your phone
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That's exactly the error i made when purchased the old Nexus S
I was also a PRO preacher of cloud storage (combined i have aprox 70+ GB of free cloud storage among different services), until reality hit me in the back
all those space was useless the moment you lose reception with 3G or WiFi
basically if you are in a subway, or your work place is several walls away, don't expect to get a new batch of streaming music or whatever important file you needed to pull from the cloud.
the 14 GB space you get in the phone is no where near enough for anything, after install apps, and few good games, and couple of nandroid backups.
AllGamer said:
the 14 GB space you get in the phone is no where near enough for anything, after install apps, and few good games, and couple of nandroid backups.
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The sgs2 has 11.5gb free space so im sure the gs will have the same, and your right this isn't enough especially with backups.
There will be a 32GB model, so there shouldn't be an issue.
I was really looking forward to this phone but the lack of sd card support just ruined it for me. It's not just the principle of it (charge 50-100 bucks more for a bigger ram chip that cost maybe $5) but I for one take advantage of having a swappable sd card.
It can especially come in handy on a phone that is soft-bricked.
I'm OK without one. I had two different SDcards from different manufacturers fail on me, causing me to loose my files.
I have not run into that issue using the internal memory in my phone.
My tablet does not have an SDcard, so I've adjusted quite well without one.
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I don't understand why people say having no sdcard is a deal breaker. It's the same damn thing. Big deal you can't swap out cards, all you have to do is mount usb mass storage then ZOMG you can change your data. People will complain about anything no matter what device comes out.
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I don't understand why people say having no sdcard is a deal breaker. It's the same damn thing. Big deal you can't swap out cards, all you have to do is mount usb mass storage then ZOMG you can change your data. People will complain about anything no matter what device comes out.
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I agree. I think it may still sell well without one. The iPhone doesn't have one, and they sell that phone by the millions.
As long as I can use a file manager, store any type of file type on it, and install custom ROMs if i so choose, then I'm good.
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i can understand how it can be a deal breaker. people who flash daily would rather use an expendable sd card whose write cycles are limited. and some people do have to move data frequently but i'm sure those have figured out how to do it wirelessly. and then you have your secret agents where being discrete with the passing of information is crucial. kinda serious with that. and then you have the peeps who just have to have their entire collection of music on them because the phones these days do more than double duty. i need to go through my phone again, but right now i'm using about 16gigs of data. approximately 10 gigs is music. then some books. a couple of backups. sync'ed data. maybe 1 gig of pictures. and videos can require lots of data and having a 32gig or 64gig sd can be a tremendous help.
why no Micro SD?
yeah, I'm sure other have posted this, so what. anyway, why would they not put one in to the Nexus phones? removable memory is an excellent feature to have, and can't be that expensive to add a reader if EVERY phone but the iPhone and Nexus has them. it's a total dealbreaker for me and many others.
the real problem is, if Google just made a little more effort to make the Nexus phones competitive by giving it this basic feature, more people would get them, and then there would be more pressure for OEMs to stop filling phones with bloat and their crappy unstable hacks (Sense, touchwiz etc.) that are dragging Google's platform down with fragmentation.
This question has been asked many times and I guess we'll never know for sure but it is Google who's ideology is to keep people online as much as they can. It makes sense to limit local storage and push people towards using cloud storage, particularly with the launch of Google Music where you can store all your music with Google anyway (which would free up a lot of space). Its a great idea, too bad 90% of us have capped data plans and streaming is not possible (unless carriers make it unmetered)
Keep in mind. We have a 32gb model available. With everything going to the cloud, I know that I rely much less on physical storage. Especially with Google Music. (I keep about 1k of my 4.5k songs locally on my phone)
The only thing I would need storage for would be apps, pictures, and a few movies. More than enough.
May be they rely on the USB Host mass storage feature.
developer.android.com/guide/topics/usb/index.html
Hopefully, the Galaxy Nexus will support the USB devices listed on this page:
developer.android.com/reference/android/hardware/usb/UsbConstants.html
I think it has to do with memory speed and performance. Removable memory is great, but personally in a smartphone I don't see the need. Once I activate a phone I never remove the SD card. If I need to xfer a bunch of files to or from my PC, I'll hook it up via USB.
How many of you remove your card on a regular basis to put in a different device? I guess its those people that would benefit from a removable card.
The rest of us should be happy with the extra speed and performance from using onboard memory.
Oh and 32gb is the limit on the microSD cards anyway so I don't see the problem of "limited" space on one's device.
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I'm annoyed there isnt any microSD slot! But I have been surviving with an 8gb microsd for years now and only use 2-3gb max..so I'll survive without it I guess.
Good thing is that the built in storage will be much quicker to save on!
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I'm annoyed there isnt any microSD slot! But I have been surviving with an 8gb microsd for years now and only use 2-3gb max..so I'll survive without it I guess.
Good thing is that the built in storage will be much quicker to save on!
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Same here, my 8GB microSD has 2-3GB free and a fair chunk of it is for backups from messing with ROMS and Titanium backups, in addition to the usual app data, music, photos and videos.
Given it looks like for some odd reason we may only be getting the 16GB version in the UK, I think I'll be fine with the 16GB version.
I got my (allegedly) 16GB Note 2 on Saturday and installed loads of stuff, including some pretty big Gameloft games. When I go into Storage from the Settings it says that my device memory has total space of 10.36GB with 2.98GB of it left. The fact that 7.38Gb is used up is probably about right given all the large games I've got on there, but why is the total space only reporting as 10.36GB when it's a 16GB model I bought? I'd expect some space to be used up by the OS itself and the various protected system partitions that come with it obviously, but does Jellybean really consume the GBs of space that make the difference between the 10.36GB reported and the 16GB that should be on there?
I used a disk info app to see what was going on and have attached a screenshot of it's output. I'm not sure what the difference is between the Data and SD card partitions there. Note that I do have a proper external SD card in the phone but it's only 2GB and so isn't any of those partitions. Anyone know what I'm seeing here and where my 16GB has gone?
Yes, this is the available amount of of space you get in this phone.
Its not just this phone! Any phone you get from market will have less user-available storage.
One X is said to be 32 gb but you can use only 25 gb
Here is a mod whoch can increase your space to around a bit above 11 gb http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1931500
Any 16 gb phone made has around this much user available space rest is OS and other stuff.
HINT: buy a 32 gb memory card? it will replace your internal memory card need exactl as if it was internal memory storage.
How? You can transfer all apps to SD Card using titanium backup so your phone memory and SD card memory is basically unified.
Read this: http://compreviews.about.com/od/storage/a/ActualHDSizes.htm
Partitions of the SGS III (I assume pretty much the same in Note II):
/system: 1G
/data: 11G (shared with /sdcard)
/cache: 1G
Add to this space required by OS and installed apps.
Kiahnlliya said:
Partitions of the SGS III (I assume pretty much the same in Note II):
/system: 1G
/data: 11G (shared with /sdcard)
/cache: 1G
Add to this space required by OS and installed apps.
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The 'Advertised vs actual' factor as described in that article would take just over 1GB away from a 16GB start (70.3 MB x 16 = 1.12GB).
Adding in the Cache, System and Data/SD Card values from my screenshot would take us up to 13-and-a-bit GB. (1.12 GB + 1GB + 1GB + 10GB = 13.12GB)
The System partition hold the OS and any other baked in stuff (as I understand it) so where's the other 2-and-a-bit GB?
I'm sure it's all explainable so I'm just curious to know how this works. I thought I remembered having more free space on my previous Note and the GSII before it (both of which were advertised as 16GB) but perhaps I'm misremembering.
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The 'Advertised vs actual' factor as described in that article would take just over 1GB away from a 16GB start (70.3 MB x 16 = 1.12GB).
Adding in the Cache, System and Data/SD Card values from my screenshot would take us up to 13-and-a-bit GB. (1.12 GB + 1GB + 1GB + 10GB = 13.12GB)
The System partition hold the OS and any other baked in stuff (as I understand it) so where's the other 2-and-a-bit GB?
I'm sure it's all explainable so I'm just curious to know how this works. I thought I remembered having more free space on my previous Note and the GSII before it (both of which were advertised as 16GB) but perhaps I'm misremembering.
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It would be interesting to get a clear answer for sure... I have a 64GB SDXC with 30GB free space on it and I can't think of anything else I would need that isn't already on there, I couldn't fill it up even if I tried. Also I still have 8GB free on my internal...
I don't listen to music on my phone, I have a dedicated player for that, so that's why I don't need tons of space... and that's why I don't really reflect on these things, but am a bit curious indeed about why the available space is so much less than 16GB.
Kiahnlliya said:
It would be interesting to get a clear answer for sure... I have a 64GB SDXC with 30GB free space on it and I can't think of anything else I would need that isn't already on there, I couldn't fill it up even if I tried. Also I still have 8GB free on my internal...
I don't listen to music on my phone, I have a dedicated player for that, so that's why I don't need tons of space... and that's why I don't really reflect on these things, but am a bit curious indeed about why the available space is so much less than 16GB.
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My usage is pretty much the same as yours (external SD card with a few things on it and separate dedicated mp3 player) so it's not something I'd usually notice either. The only reason I've clocked it this time is because I bought a few GB and bigger sized games in the recent 25p Google Play store all of which I've installed as soon as I set the phone up on Saturday; whereas usually I'd install one 'proper' game and only install a new one when I'd finished the last one. So, as such, this is probably about as full as my phone will ever be and not something that'll cause any problems, but it would be good to understand what's going on here.
As the title says is there any chance a very light rom could be developed? I'm still fresh with HTC but I notice that the system software etc takes up a hell of a lot of the "available" storage. I wish they wouldn't advertise phones as having X internal memory when half of it is actually needed for the whole system itself.
I'm still used to my old galaxy s4 where some light roms only took up a few GB's of the internal memory.
Cheers for any feedback
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As the title says is there any chance a very light rom could be developed? I'm still fresh with HTC but I notice that the system software etc takes up a hell of a lot of the "available" storage. I wish they wouldn't advertise phones as having X internal memory when half of it is actually needed for the whole system itself.
I'm still used to my old galaxy s4 where some light roms only took up a few GB's of the internal memory.
Cheers for any feedback
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I could be wrong, but I think that's due to partitioning and not necessarily having a "heavy" rom.
Well between 12-15 GB is a lot to lose from a phone advertised as 32GB memory lol. I understand that a certain amount will ALWAYS be set aside for the system itself, just seems like a huge chunk.
It's just a shame that there aren't any options for reducing this by much. Or if it's even possible. Perhaps I'm just used to teeny tiny rims with my galaxy lol.
There are no Light Roms that I've seen for the M9.
The only thing I could say is install LeeDroids ROM and in aroma check mark all the apps that you don't want installed..
Buy again not really the answer to your question..
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You'll have a light ROM in cm12. Once its been fixed. In regards to sense, the vast majority of the ROM can be removed using titanium or during install using aroma. Sense has always been quite chunky, unfortunately there's no real way around that, a desensed ROM has been available for pretty much every HTC phone I've ever had so I guess it probably won't be too long before one becomes available for the m9 too.
As for the amount of storage available, no disrespect but its a 32GB phone with external storage as an option! Why would you need an extra GB? As opposed to the s4 you will have more memory even when you've fully loaded your ROM with apps.
I think the system bloat would be a huge issue except for the external sdcard. With it, it's close to a non-issue.
I have a 32GB external card. I keep my music, twrp and tibu backups, and photos on the external card and leave internal storage for system, apps, and roms. Works just fine.
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I think the system bloat would be a huge issue except for the external sdcard. With it, it's close to a non-issue.
I have a 32GB external card. I keep my music, twrp and tibu backups, and photos on the external card and leave internal storage for system, apps, and roms. Works just fine.
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Pretty much the same for me, I have the Samsung evo 64gb with 8 gb music and a couple small movies and TV shows and it's only half full.
While the phones storage has over 14gb free
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I have a 32GB class 10 SanDisk ultra card external SD. Even with that and even with usually about 14GB free in the internal memory, I still cry wait to use a rom without half as much space for the system
Anyway thanks for the help guys.
Obviously the main issue is a backup takes up between 9-12 GB so once I have two roms backed up on my external SD then I'm well over half way full . I like several backups, all different roms
tomorio said:
I have a 32GB class 10 SanDisk ultra card external SD. Even with that and even with usually about 14GB free in the internal memory, I still cry wait to use a rom without half as much space for the system
Anyway thanks for the help guys.
Obviously the main issue is a backup takes up between 9-12 GB so once I have two roms backed up on my external SD then I'm well over half way full . I like several backups, all different roms
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The phone supports up to a 200gb ex_SD card. The 64gb are the most affordable for the size. Many here use a 128gb.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=i...d&rh=i:computers&sprefix=200+gb+micro+sd+card
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tomorio said:
I have a 32GB class 10 SanDisk ultra card external SD. Even with that and even with usually about 14GB free in the internal memory, I still cry wait to use a rom without half as much space for the system
Anyway thanks for the help guys.
Obviously the main issue is a backup takes up between 9-12 GB so once I have two roms backed up on my external SD then I'm well over half way full . I like several backups, all different roms
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Why are your backups so big? Mine are just over 6 GB.
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The phone supports up to a 200gb ex_SD card. The 64gb are the most affordable for the size. Many here use a 128gb.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=i...d&rh=i:computers&sprefix=200+gb+micro+sd+card
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If it's confirmed to support up to 200GB I know what my next purchase is
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Why are your backups so big? Mine are just over 6 GB.
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System around 4-6 and data round 4-6 GB's. I like to be able to pick up where I left off.
tomorio said:
System around 4-6 and data round 4-6 GB's. I like to be able to pick up where I left off.
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Are you backing up system or system image? In normal backups you don't need to backup system image, you just need system, data and boot. My system backup is under 2 GB.
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Are you backing up system or system image? In normal backups you don't need to backup system image, you just need system, data and boot. My system backup is under 2 GB.
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No system image no.
My backups are about 10-11 gb. I do have a lot of apps installed. I'm sure that's part of it. 2 gb alone are probably accounted for by Real Racing and Asphalt 8.
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My backups are about 10-11 gb. I do have a lot of apps installed. I'm sure that's part of it. 2 gb alone are probably accounted for by Real Racing and Asphalt 8.
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Good to know. I figured user apps would be in the data portion of the backup and not system, though. How big is your system backup file?
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Good to know. I figured user apps would be in the data portion of the backup and not system, though. How big is your system backup file?
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I think about 2gb. Most is definitely data.
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I think about 2gb. Most is definitely data.
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Ok. Yeah that's how mine is. I don't understand why @tomorio would have 4-6 GB for system which makes me wonder if there's something screwy with his install.
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Ok. Yeah that's how mine is. I don't understand why @tomorio would have 4-6 GB for system which makes me wonder if there's something screwy with his install.
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No idea. Just double-checked my latest. System is just under 2 GB, data is about 8 GB.
Hi guys...
If i buy the 128gb model have Samsung finally allowed the use of an SD card as adoptable storage yet?
If not is their a hack to enable this for this phone?
thanks in advance
nk33 said:
Hi guys...
If i buy the 128gb model have Samsung finally allowed the use of an SD card as adoptable storage yet?
If not is their a hack to enable this for this phone?
thanks in advance
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As far as I know adoptable storage was never fully implemented by Android. From what I understand the speed of the SD card is way slower then the internal storage so if you merge then together you end up with a weakest leak situation. Samsung's inclusion of adoptable storage is what made TouchWiz so darn laggy. For now it's still actually there but case by case. If you go to different app settings some will give you the option to move it to the SD card. And it's always be that way. Nothing new.
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As far as I know adoptable storage was never fully implemented by Android. From what I understand the speed of the SD card is way slower then the internal storage so if you merge then together you end up with a weakest leak situation. Samsung's inclusion of adoptable storage is what made TouchWiz so darn laggy. For now it's still actually there but case by case. If you go to different app settings some will give you the option to move it to the SD card. And it's always be that way. Nothing new.
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I am pretty sure adoptable storage on Android is a standard thing - since Android M.....its just Samsung that refused to implement it.
I do understand why they dont implement it - that's because if people use it the phone will lag and slow down sometimes when using apps whos data is stored on there - and samsung are worried they will get support calls regarding this and also it may reflect badly on the phone itself...
I currently own a razer phone 2 (RP1 previous to that), and previous to that all Samsung. The RP1 and 2 both support adoptable storage and as long as you purchase a high-speed sd card (not the standard ones) then adoptable storage works well
I want to buy the 512gb Ultra but they are out of stock everywher in the UK - so i thought an option would be to buy the 128gb as long as it supprts adoptable storage so i can "turn it into" a larger device storage
I know this an older thread, but with the speed of cards, I don't understand why an alternative to adoptable storage hasn't been developed. I had the Razer phone 2 with a Samsung EVO U10 512GB card and the phone was not noticbly slower in everyday tasks, but did slow when loading games and such. I still loved it, however, I think it was ditched by Samsung because people don't understand that once the card is adopted, removing it with the device on, renders all data on th card as corrupt, even upon reinsertion. Sometimes it's reclaim the card other times it wouldn't. Samsung tech support would be inundated with calls related to it so it was disabled. With the files sizes ballooning, 256GB should be the smallest storage available on a a premium phone and with the advances in storage, why isn't the OS determining what can and cannot go onto the SD card automatically?
I currently use APP2SD and while it moves the apps, I don't seem to be gaining that space back on the internal storage. Weird.
While not a strictly apples-to-apples comparison, I find fbind more flexible and largely superior to adoptable storage.
i will just wait until terabyte nand-flash ufs will be standard in even the cheapest smartphones. apps like firefox, aliexpress, amazon, google itself generate so much data it's horrible. i have to clear the data once every week. when you watch a movie with firefox for android and the movie is 1000 mb big, guess how much nand-flash will be used? you guessed correctly 1024 mb!
Adoptable storage is awesome - it works really well on all but Samsung.
Isnt there some way of using the external storage -
Its ridiculous that they build a tablet that has only 3GB storage free with a memory expansion slot that can hold memory but cannot be used by the system.
This device was a gift - will NEVER buy Samsung.