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Hi,
I thought about rooting my firetv and while checking the firmware version I noted that this thing apparently updates itself without asking... (I didn't use it for a while and thought it might still be on a rootable firmware).
I now took some precautions and blocked the update servers to prevent any further updates. But yeah, I'm on a firmware version that currently is unrootable and was wondering: Is there any chance someone will root this firmware? Are there any people actively working on finding exploits on the firetv or are they happy with their already rooted devices?
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Hidden
Hidden92 said:
Hi,
I thought about rooting my firetv and while checking the firmware version I noted that this thing apparently updates itself without asking... (I didn't use it for a while and thought it might still be on a rootable firmware).
I now took some precautions and blocked the update servers to prevent any further updates. But yeah, I'm on a firmware version that currently is unrootable and was wondering: Is there any chance someone will root this firmware? Are there any people actively working on finding exploits on the firetv or are they happy with their already rooted devices?
Regards,
Hidden
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To be honest, depend on what use you have for the FireTV, root is not necessary unless you want to do more than just use XBMC/Kodi. About people finding root for FireTV, you just have to wait. Most devs are busy porting Lollipop to old phones. Once somebody has free time, a root will be found for the FireTV. This is not the Apple TV 3rd generation, which is in root limbo for almost 3 years already.
i'd be doubtful on someone ever finding a software root for the fireTV specifically, there really isnt anyone actively developing anything for the FTV except rbox, if it gets rooted via software again.. its going to be an exploit developed for a different phone that just happens to work on the Firetv i bet.
Towelroot was developped after a bounty was set-up... maybe we could try the same thing ? I would find it ok to reward someone (and maybe amazon would see we want root / USB access...)
ChriKn said:
Towelroot was developped after a bounty was set-up... maybe we could try the same thing ? I would find it ok to reward someone (and maybe amazon would see we want root / USB access...)
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there was a bounty already.. it was paid out to jcase for root in the early days.. he chose to keep it private.. its possible towelroot was based on that same exploit but i dont know myself. Root on the newest firmware wont do much but allow you to enable USB support. Any custom recovery or custom firmware will not be possible with the current stuff we have available from rbox so i doubt anyone is going to put in too much effort into finding a new exploit.
nhumber said:
there was a bounty already.. it was paid out to jcase for root in the early days.. he chose to keep it private.. its possible towelroot was based on that same exploit but i dont know myself. Root on the newest firmware wont do much but allow you to enable USB support. Any custom recovery or custom firmware will not be possible with the current stuff we have available from rbox so i doubt anyone is going to put in too much effort into finding a new exploit.
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The root jcase had was a vulnerability in Android. Towelroot was a vulnerability in the kernel.
*IF* there ever is a new software root method for the FireTV, I would probably start up my work with Safestrap again. I did manage to get it somewhat working before I abandoned it for the bootloader unlock method.
vi6s said:
To be honest, depend on what use you have for the FireTV, root is not necessary unless you want to do more than just use XBMC/Kodi. About people finding root for FireTV, you just have to wait. Most devs are busy porting Lollipop to old phones. Once somebody has free time, a root will be found for the FireTV. This is not the Apple TV 3rd generation, which is in root limbo for almost 3 years already.
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rbox said:
The root jcase had was a vulnerability in Android. Towelroot was a vulnerability in the kernel.
*IF* there ever is a new software root method for the FireTV, I would probably start up my work with Safestrap again. I did manage to get it somewhat working before I abandoned it for the bootloader unlock method.
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rbox. Thats interesting. I wanted to give my parents a rooted device as the one I gave them was rooted but not blocked with updates. Therefore I purchased another one from amazon for 69 and thankfully got lucky. If root come out, then I'll have an extra as a backup.
With Root, there are a few things I personally like.
1. Google Play. Can buy emulators
2. Google Music
3. Power Options on Xbmx.
Currently I believe there is a hardware rooting method that has been released.
Forgive my ignorance...but I just bought a Fire TV yesterday with the hopes of being able to play movies off of my external HD by rooting it, installing XBMC, and side loading Stick Mount. What sort of options do I have now that I'm stuck on 51.1.4.1?
GNEXUZ said:
Forgive my ignorance...but I just bought a Fire TV yesterday with the hopes of being able to play movies off of my external HD by rooting it, installing XBMC, and side loading Stick Mount. What sort of options do I have now that I'm stuck on 51.1.4.1?
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Wait for root...
If you hook that drive up to another computer, you can probably share it from there. Without root, the FireTV USB is useless for storage.
I recently picked up a rootable FireTV from a local BestBuy, so they are still out there in the USA.
the fire tv i just got from amazon the other day was rootable it was on 51.1.01 so i would say if the one u have isnt rootable to return it and get another. make sure to block the updates so it wont update when u turn it on.
Hi all,
I've decided to get out another firetv box that i initially purchased over a year ago and wanted to set it up with a bogus amazon account.
So far so good, ... sorted out the account, followed the instructions from aftvnews to pull the lan when required to bypass the initial setup.
email & password and all done.
Now I have just a couple of things i need help with please chaps.....
I know that 51.1.4.0 is not compatible with kodi (in any form).... although I believe that spmc may work on it.
Would it be possible to update a firetv with an original firmware from http://www.aftvnews.com/software/ to the first version that allowed kodi to run.
The reason I ask is that, that first fix by amazon still showed no advertising.
It would be much better if i could root it but as far as I know root is not available for my unit, I tested the serial number over at http://www.aftvnews.com/amazon-fire-tv-serial-number-decoder/
and this is what it said:
Rootable: No
Likely Software Version: 51.1.4.0
Manufactured: By Foxconn on 10/7/2014
Hardware Revision: 03
Unit Revision: 09
Condition (New or Refurbished): New
So seeing as I cannot root is there a way to install somehow just the firmware update that i need without removing my opendns blocks.
What would be my best choice please chaps...
Kodi worked fine on my fire tv1 without root and works fine after update and the after root.
Why dont you let it update ( it wiill update if connected and not blocked) and root it ?
wouldn't it make sense to update it to 5.0.5 and root it with kingroot?
Then it would work with Kodi.
I don't think there would be a way to update it other than to have it communicate with amazon and pull the update from them as you don't currently have root access.
slackbladder said:
Hi all,
I've decided to get out another firetv box that i initially purchased over a year ago and wanted to set it up with a bogus amazon account.
So far so good, ... sorted out the account, followed the instructions from aftvnews to pull the lan when required to bypass the initial setup.
email & password and all done.
Now I have just a couple of things i need help with please chaps.....
I know that 51.1.4.0 is not compatible with kodi (in any form).... although I believe that spmc may work on it.
Would it be possible to update a firetv with an original firmware from http://www.aftvnews.com/software/ to the first version that allowed kodi to run.
The reason I ask is that, that first fix by amazon still showed no advertising.
It would be much better if i could root it but as far as I know root is not available for my unit, I tested the serial number over at http://www.aftvnews.com/amazon-fire-tv-serial-number-decoder/
and this is what it said:
Rootable: No
Likely Software Version: 51.1.4.0
Manufactured: By Foxconn on 10/7/2014
Hardware Revision: 03
Unit Revision: 09
Condition (New or Refurbished): New
So seeing as I cannot root is there a way to install somehow just the firmware update that i need without removing my opendns blocks.
What would be my best choice please chaps...
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Why do you think KODI does not work under 51.1.4?
Kodi works with all s/w versions rooted or un-rooted. BTW if you update to OS5 you will not be able to use DNS within the box. Will need to use set-up DNS through your router as one option.
Thanks for the replies chaps.... but i'm sure that kodi/variants will not work on 51.1.4.0_user_514005520,...
You can sideload it but it will never work.
That is the same firmware I had on my first box I got over a year ago,...
http://www.aftvnews.com/xbmc-kodi-incompatible-with-fire-tv-software-version-51-1-40_user_514005520/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-tv/help/xmbc-fc-uk-aftv-t2917248
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Routers out of the question to block updates... that's why I'm using opendns to block updates.
So it's obvious that trying to somehow install an update of my choice is out of the question.... it's either 5.0.5 or nothing. that's fair enough.
But I'm curious about kingroot.... especially as when and if I update then I have the problem of “Self destruct” eFuse added to kernel which gets triggered if an older bootloader is used".
I haven't found anyone yet who couldn't get root due to there particular model of firetv and have used kingroot. Surely kingroot will brick a firetv due to the efuse problem.
(I thought that's where the hardwired method of root came in).
I read that one cannot replace kingroot with supersu as that would also be a major faux par.
Also read that Rbox is working on a "custom recovery" but that still leaves me wondering,.... If the Efuse is triggered then that means one cannot unlock the bootloader... leaving one with a bricked firetv wouldn't it.?
Or does kingroot work in a totally different way to towelroot.
Thanks again for the replies chaps.... the more info I get the clearer it becomes.
One last thing.. I've also notices a lot of talk about firestarter no longer working under 5.0.5... and that adbfire will no longer communicate with a firetv to sideload,... and that ES file explorer is the only way to go.
But then again, maybe that's just chitchat from amazon.... cos you can bet your life they read every single post put on the net.
slackbladder said:
Thanks for the replies chaps.... but i'm sure that kodi/variants will not work on 51.1.4.0_user_514005520,...
You can sideload it but it will never work.
That is the same firmware I had on my first box I got over a year ago,...
http://www.aftvnews.com/xbmc-kodi-incompatible-with-fire-tv-software-version-51-1-40_user_514005520/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-tv/help/xmbc-fc-uk-aftv-t2917248
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Routers out of the question to block updates... that's why I'm using opendns to block updates.
So it's obvious that trying to somehow install an update of my choice is out of the question.... it's either 5.0.5 or nothing. that's fair enough.
But I'm curious about kingroot.... especially as when and if I update then I have the problem of “Self destruct” eFuse added to kernel which gets triggered if an older bootloader is used".
I haven't found anyone yet who couldn't get root due to there particular model of firetv and have used kingroot. Surely kingroot will brick a firetv due to the efuse problem.
(I thought that's where the hardwired method of root came in).
I read that one cannot replace kingroot with supersu as that would also be a major faux par.
Also read that Rbox is working on a "custom recovery" but that still leaves me wondering,.... If the Efuse is triggered then that means one cannot unlock the bootloader... leaving one with a bricked firetv wouldn't it.?
Or does kingroot work in a totally different way to towelroot.
Thanks again for the replies chaps.... the more info I get the clearer it becomes.
One last thing.. I've also notices a lot of talk about firestarter no longer working under 5.0.5... and that adbfire will no longer communicate with a firetv to sideload,... and that ES file explorer is the only way to go.
But then again, maybe that's just chitchat from amazon.... cos you can bet your life they read every single post put on the net.
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Well somehow I missed that. Sorry to say but you have a lot of misunderstood info here:
- firestarter works with 5.0.5 however some other apps do not i.e. Lama
- ADB works as well
- the process of rooting with kingroot does not brick your unit, removing it by instlling supersu-me does
- Updating to 5.0.5 and rooting using kingroot method will not trigger eFuse.
Thanks for the reply bula1ca,
Only just finished reading about the update to firestarter.... But what about the EFuse? I cannot seem to find anything about the Efuse which stopped a lot of users rooting in the first place.
Does anyone know if kingroot has somehow managed to solve the Efuse problem.
Has anyone here used kingroot on what was a previously unrootable firetv box because of the Efuse problem?
thanks chaps
slackbladder..
slackbladder said:
Thanks for the reply bula1ca,
Only just finished reading about the update to firestarter.... But what about the EFuse? I cannot seem to find anything about the Efuse which stopped a lot of users rooting in the first place.
Does anyone know if kingroot has somehow managed to solve the Efuse problem.
Has anyone here used kingroot on what was a previously unrootable firetv box because of the Efuse problem?
thanks chaps
slackbladder..
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Many including myself.....and no worry recovery will be available as well, from what I know rbox will release it soon. Whatever you decide to do just do not try to remove kingroot with supersu-me.
BTW eFuse did not stop rooting, Amazon updates blocked rooting method available at the time.
So I don't need to worry about this info here: http://www.aftvnews.com/amazon-fire-tvs-efuse-explained-rooted-devices-not-at-risk-of-bricking/
Because it seems that its only about boxes that were able to be rooted...
And I was sure that my uk unit was not rootable...
Hence my posting of aftvnews serial decoder information:
Rootable: No
Likely Software Version: 51.1.4.0
Manufactured: By Foxconn on 10/7/2014
Hardware Revision: 03
Unit Revision: 09
Condition (New or Refurbished): New
I'm finding this very confusing....
Strangely enough, I had an upgrade from my service provider.. I stupidly forgot to turn off my working firetv box and it got updated to 51.1.6.3,.... I thought that was OS5,...
If you look on http://www.aftvnews.com/software/ and then look at the second part down it says this:
Fire OS 5.0 Developer Preview – First Version (Which I believe to be Lollypop 5.1)
but when I used firestarter and looked at my settings it says the unit is running 51.1.6.3 and that I'm still on 4.2.2 (Which I do believe is Jellybean).
I really thought that my working unit was on OS5 when it got updated but obviously I was wrong, or the website at aftvnews is wrong.... unlikely.
So if I do update the new box, and it does take the 5.0.5 update... I sideload kingroot (I don't really want to use the PC version of kingroot) and then run it..
Hope that last bit makes sense...
slackbladder said:
So I don't need to worry about this info here: http://www.aftvnews.com/amazon-fire-tvs-efuse-explained-rooted-devices-not-at-risk-of-bricking/
Because it seems that its only about boxes that were able to be rooted...
And I was sure that my uk unit was not rootable...
Hence my posting of aftvnews serial decoder information:
Rootable: No
Likely Software Version: 51.1.4.0
Manufactured: By Foxconn on 10/7/2014
Hardware Revision: 03
Unit Revision: 09
Condition (New or Refurbished): New
I'm finding this very confusing....
Strangely enough, I had an upgrade from my service provider.. I stupidly forgot to turn off my working firetv box and it got updated to 51.1.6.3,.... I thought that was OS5,...
If you look on http://www.aftvnews.com/software/ and then look at the second part down it says this:
Fire OS 5.0 Developer Preview – First Version (Which I believe to be Lollypop 5.1)
but when I used firestarter and looked at my settings it says the unit is running 51.1.6.3 and that I'm still on 4.2.2 (Which I do believe is Jellybean).
I really thought that my working unit was on OS5 when it got updated but obviously I was wrong, or the website at aftvnews is wrong.... unlikely.
So if I do update the new box, and it does take the 5.0.5 update... I sideload kingroot (I don't really want to use the PC version of kingroot) and then run it..
Hope that last bit makes sense...
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You are very confused.
Your box is still on OS3 @ latest s/w revision released (http://www.aftvnews.com/software/). and in this stage it is not rootable yet. You have two options: either let it upgrade to OS5 by itself and root it with kingroot or block updates and wait for rbox to release recovery and a way to upgrade to OS5 manually.
Well I removed the opendns block, waited a couple of minutes and checked for updates... nothing happened at first, tried again, still nothing,.. third time lucky, box reads that there is an update available.
First update went to 51.1.6.3 user 516012020,.... it took about 15 minutes to update, then rebooted, took a further 5 minutes.
I then checked again and this time an update to OS 5.0.5 (537174420)... after another reboot it took about another 10 minutes going through "optimizing system storage and applications"... I would think if I had kodi or anything else sideloaded that's where it might have caused a problem, (I'm guessing).
Then had an update come through for the remote.
So now I'm wondering what to do, because it feels like "toss a coin in the air, and hope I'm lucky with kingroot". Can anyone tell me what would be the worst case scenario that could happen when using kingroot.
Thanks for reading chaps..
slackbladder.
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Sorry bula1ca, I never knew you replied.
I'm just thinking about sideloading kodi now,.... I'm sure I read somewhere that with the new update sideloaded apps appear on the homescreen,... So would I still need firestarter or not.?
You don't "need" firestarter with 5.0.5 it shows side loaded apps on the home screen in the apps section.
Thanks for that Ludacrisvp...
I was about to use "Install APK" with adbfire,.... To Install isengard 15.2,.... But I remember reading somewhere that one could use the "ADB Shell" and a command to clean up (remove the apk) once it has been run. I may be getting this mixed up with installing to an ipad, as I'm trying to remember something from months ago...
Kodi Jarvis 16.0 is the latest stable version that should be what you are using.
You can push the APK to the device then install it using File Explorer, or similar but then you'll have apk files floating about to clean up later.
Best idea would be to use adb to install the APK in a single step, it will transfer the APK and install it and clean up the data too.
ADBFire is handy if you're new to using ADB.
Thanks for the advice Ludacrisvp....
hhmmm not to sure about Jarvis yet.. maybe in a month or two. At the moment my Isengard isn't broken so there's no need to fix it.
Anyway I used adbfire and installed the apk for isengard. and ran it to go threw the setup procedure.
I then replaced the box running 5.0.5 with my box running 51.1.6.3 and using adbfire again did a backup. This took about 45 minutes.
A total of 1.24gb.
I then replaced that with the 5.0.5 box and did a restore, this was a painfully long experience... another 45 minutes.
I then ran Isengard under 5.0.5 and all was well, my setup was exactly the same,... Initially I was expecting problems due to the OS upgrade but it was fine,.. only thing missing was my personal wallpaper, so I pushed it to "SDcard", came out of settings on kodi and wallpaper appeared.
Now I don't know if this is my imagination but I tested iplayer and youtube and the video replay quality seemed grainy.... even though i had iplayer on best quality. And I tried a few videos that I've watched previously on youtube so I knew they were HD quality.
I'd like to test this 5.0.5 on a new TV to see if this would make any difference.
also when I rebooted the 5.0.5 box I had a short message appear saying something about reconfiguring installed software.... I've never seen that before and a loud crackle noise as the box was booting.
I'm just wondering about updating my unit that I've been using all the time with the old firmware on it,.... If I did would it be best to reset the unit to factory settings,... I'm just thinking because of kodi and firestarter and llama being on there would they cause a problem to the upgrade.
Hey guys,
we had a nice Fire TV 4K sale here in Germany and so I got that little box. However, now I am a bit confused and I hope that you could help me out.
Shall I update the box?
I learned that I need to root the Box in order to be able to connected my external HDD that is formated with NTFS. That is because originally the Fire TV does not support NTFS. I also learned that getting root is still possible with the newest two fireware versions but way more complicated because you need a A-to-A USB cable.
Of course I could block updates and just root the firmware that is currently installed. But I learned that Kodi is way better integrated into the interface of the newer firmwares. Is it possible to root the old firmware, do an OTA update and still have root on the newest firmware?
Since there are several firmwares out there. Is there any best firmware version that you recommend?
wohltat said:
Hey guys,
we had a nice Fire TV 4K sale here in Germany and so I got that little box. However, now I am a bit confused and I hope that you could help me out.
Shall I update the box?
I learned that I need to root the Box in order to be able to connected my external HDD that is formated with NTFS. That is because originally the Fire TV does not support NTFS. I also learned that getting root is still possible with the newest two fireware versions but way more complicated because you need a A-to-A USB cable.
Of course I could block updates and just root the firmware that is currently installed. But I learned that Kodi is way better integrated into the interface of the newer firmwares. Is it possible to root the old firmware, do an OTA update and still have root on the newest firmware?
Since there are several firmwares out there. Is there any best firmware version that you recommend?
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not sure if this will help.
http://www.aftvnews.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-usb-storage-with-the-amazon-fire-tv/
You could go with either the latest 5.0.5.1 or with 5.0.5. I personally use 5.0.5 because I like using Firestarter to access all my sideloaded apps. Until Firestarter is officially updated by the programmer, you could use Firestopper which has been updated to work on 5.0.5.1.
I also wirelessly transfer movies to my external hard drive which is an NTFS drive so that I can have HD video. I have use the Kingroot method and the USB cable method. I'd also recommend aftvnews.com for guides as they are a great resource (especially for windows users). I also have guides for Mac users over at marksmods.com
How can I install the 5.0.5, I am still on the 5.0.3.1 and I guess the 5.0.5 would be better for me (used it on my aftv stick before) autoupdates will probably lead me to 5.0.5.1, which I try to avoid due to firestarter and sky go
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How can I install the 5.0.5, I am still on the 5.0.3.1 and I guess the 5.0.5 would be better for me (used it on my aftv stick before) autoupdates will probably lead me to 5.0.5.1, which I try to avoid due to firestarter and sky go
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http://www.aftvnews.com helped me a lot. You root with kingroot, install recovery, install prerooted 5.0.5.1. Just follow their instructions.
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http://www.aftvnews.com helped me a lot. You root with kingroot, install recovery, install prerooted 5.0.5.1. Just follow their instructions.
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Thx for your reply, I checked that page. But what I really want is the following:
I am currently under 5.0.3.1 original and I want to have 5.0.5 (not 5.0.5.1), but without root! (SkyGo does not run on rooted devices, if it detects root).
I could perform OTA update --> would lead me to 5.0.5.1
What I really want is a way to push the official 5.0.5 to my aftv (best withoug kingrooting, due to the fact you need a full whipe, wich may also then give problems to my sky go accounts, which are limmited).
Is there some way to get an official rom, which I then can push via adb or put it on my aftv, that the aftv detects it and installs it ?
(I can still block the ota update after I am on 5.0.5)...
Bests,
shaDN
Is no one providing the original rom? However, in order to install it, you would need to root and install a recovery first anyways. Just instead of installing a prerooted rom you would install a not rooted one.
hmm, there must be a way to place an update somewhere on the aftv, that the aftv recognizes it as an official update and install it...
just installed 5.0.4, then 5.0.5 then unplugged lan and blocked updates
I love the new update routine
Pardon me if this is a stupid question or the wrong place - but I am new to this type of thing. Does anyone know if/when it will be possible to root a firetv version 5.2.6.0 ?
Hi. and welcome to the board.
For all things regarding the aftv, the site http://www.aftvnews.com/tag/guide/ is a good starting point.
It's also there than you can check to see if root for your software revision has become available. For starters it's always good to learn how to block on the air updates for your device asap, so that rooting vulnerabilities have not been patched already before we learn about them (which is the usual way: they got patched and we just learn about them afterwards when the new update already patched them).
As an answer to your question, there is no known way atm to achieve software root on a device with 5.2.6.0.
Yes, thanks. I actually did look at the aftvnews website and saw that my version was market in red, but it didnt give much details as to why its not do able.. it just said no possible. I was curious as to why the limitation
Which version is installed on new fire tv sticks ?
Which version is the latest one which is rootable?
If i buy a new fire tv stick today and first thing i will do, is block the ota update, can i root it or are the new sticks all unrootable, because they already have the new firmware which is not able to be rooted?
I have been searching around, and most of the exploits that I have found are either for different devices, or they are for older versions of the FireTV.
After trying Towelroot, the only other option that I can think of is Magisck root. I can push the app onto the device with adb, and get the zip installed, but I would like to make sure that my device will not brick after doing this. If it does brick, is there any stock firmware that I can flash on this TV that is confirmed to be working?
My FireTV home version is 6.0.4.3, and my Fire OS version is 6.2.4.2 if that helps anything.
I appreciate any and all replies. Lastly, I have considered Kingoroot, but from what I have read, they install adware with the root, but I am not certain as I have not rooted a phone in about a year or so, and I am sure that things are slightly different when installing to something like a TV.
I think that I can load a patched ROM through fastboot since I can connect to the TV, but I would like to make sure that I am doing this the most efficient way possible, and at the very least I hope that this can serve as help to people who also bought this TV and are looking to root it.
I dont think there are any exploits to root any of the fire TV's and more. No one is making customs roms or rooted updates. Even if you find a root, you can never get any updates. ADB Sideloading Apps works well on all devices though.