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the 4.4.X update - discussion thread

http://www.tmonews.com/2014/02/andr...alaxy-s4-s4-note-3-and-other-samsung-devices/
Today, Samsung announced that it would be pushing out KitKat to a slew of its Android-powered smartphones. Although we’re not precisely sure on specific dates for T-Mobile devices, the 4.4.2 update will be rolling out from today.
Among the list of devices being supported are the Galaxy Note 3, Galaxy S 4 and S 3 as well as others. Full press release below:
DALLAS, February 18, 2014 – Samsung Telecommunications America (Samsung Mobile) announced today that a number of Samsung Galaxy® devices will receive the Android 4.4.2 (KitKat) software update, enriching the Galaxy experience.
The upgrade provides a number of innovative, easy-to-use features that enhance the user experience, including a more intuitive user interface, enhanced messaging capabilities and updated applications:
· Location Menu: An integrated location menu enables users to easily activate GPS, Wi-Fi and mobile networks, while simultaneously checking the battery usage of apps running location service capabilities.
· Enhanced Messaging: Enables users to choose between Messages or Hangouts as their preferred default messaging application, and select from a larger assortment of updated Emoji icons.
· Upgraded Google Mobile Service™ (GMS) apps: Users can automatically back up photos and video and can open, view, rename and share Google Docs and files.
Samsung Galaxy U.S. devices currently scheduled to receive the KitKat update include select carrier variants of the Galaxy Note® 3, Galaxy Note® II, Galaxy S® 4, Galaxy S® 4 mini™, Galaxy S® 4 Active™, Galaxy S® 4 zoom™, Galaxy S® III, Galaxy S® III mini™, Galaxy Mega®, Galaxy Light, Galaxy Note® 8.0, Galaxy Tab® 3, Galaxy Note® 10.1, Galaxy Note® 10.1 2014 Edition.
Availability varies by carrier and product, with updates beginning today and continuing throughout the coming months.
If you have one of the Galaxy devices mentioned in the announcement, be sure to let us know when/if the update lands. T-Mobile isn’t always speedy when it comes to giving the green light to software updates on Android. Let’s hope these start to land pretty snappish.

Nice. going to have to Odin back to stock then.

Still months away
TWEAKED 2.0 NOTE 3

Dattack said:
Nice. going to have to Odin back to stock then.
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Don't update, the bootloader might be locked. It best to wait for a dev to get a hold of the firmware and make it into a flashable rom that doesn't include the bootloader.

marcoxx626 said:
Don't update, the bootloader might be locked. It best to wait for a dev to get a hold of the firmware and make it into a flashable rom that doesn't include the bootloader.
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I am used to waiting to take updates being on VZW and what they did with breaking root with the Bionic and then the S4 fiasco. But why would Tmobile launch a phone with an unlocked bootloader only to lock it after an OTA update? It's one thing to patch an exploit, but to lock an unlocked bootloader when it was meant to launch unlocked I think would be stange. Again, I'm waiting anyway, but I think the phone will stay unlocked.

Not sure how excited I am for 4.4.2
No app ops. I can't believe google would intentionally remove a vital security feature. I guess we'll just have to add it back in

cun7 said:
Not sure how excited I am for 4.4.2
No app ops. I can't believe google would intentionally remove a vital security feature. I guess we'll just have to add it back in
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I agree! In fact, that's the first thing I thought about when I heard about the news.
We do, however, still have xPrivacy, though. I've donated to the developer and hopefully we'll see continued development including, I hope, a more user-friendly system closer to the way App Ops works. (For the record, I'm not knocking xProvacy; rather I'm pointing out that it could be easier to manage for laymen like myself.)

Eric214 said:
I am used to waiting to take updates being on VZW and what they did with breaking root with the Bionic and then the S4 fiasco. But why would Tmobile launch a phone with an unlocked bootloader only to lock it after an OTA update? It's one thing to patch an exploit, but to lock an unlocked bootloader when it was meant to launch unlocked I think would be stange. Again, I'm waiting anyway, but I think the phone will stay unlocked.
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i'm guessing you are right. But you have to remember, it's not TMO that's doing it. It's all part of Sammy Knox initiative to make the phones more secure. If you have an unlocked bootloader, there's no way to say that your product is secure. We've picked apart the last 3 builds /na6/na7/nb3 of kitkat from germany, and there's alot of pointless crap built into these roms that will have to be pulled out to , along with the regular developmental crap that sammy puts in there for "Future Updates" Like fingerprints scanner perms and instructions, radios that will never be used, and something pointing to a backup antennae even though the phone does not have one (that's for the note 10.1)
I think they are being lazy, , making one huge TW Rom and then modifying it for individual devices. If you look at the S4 release and the Note 3 release, they are identical builds minus screen size settings and the addition of spen support.

Any idea when the TMobile update will be available? Sprint customers are getting theirs from today.

Some people from g+ are claiming to get the Sprint updates yesterday. Wonder if someone from TMO got updated too.

There is a complete silence regarding Tmobile update. Even the dog slow at&t has a leaked version out.

Apparently us cellular is getting their update as well.
Here's the link if any one is curious.
http://phandroid.com/2014/02/20/us-cellular-note-3-kitkat/
I hope we're next
posted while using my note 3

I've have been with tmo from the beginning of this computer like smart phone generation, and I will say we are almost always the last to get an update. .. Our wifi calling and wifi alone had a bug for 6 months now no update when other carriers got the fix. .. Just saying. ...
Evertime there's an update these discussions happen. ... When when when. .. sit back relax and flash someone else's rom. ... lol
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Call it eye-Kat. Make it look exactly like iOS and give Apple the finger
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Check this out guys. Got it from comments on this article:
http://www.tmonews.com/2014/02/andr...alaxy-s4-s4-note-3-and-other-samsung-devices/
I'm on a KK custom ROM on my Note 3 so I'm not getting it. Maybe I need to flash back to stock. I'm in TX too btw.

djtheraven said:
I've have been with tmo from the beginning of this computer like smart phone generation, and I will say we are almost always the last to get an update. .. Our wifi calling and wifi alone had a bug for 6 months now no update when other carriers got the fix. .. Just saying. ...
Evertime there's an update these discussions happen. ... When when when. .. sit back relax and flash someone else's rom. ... lol
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IKR, the wifi bug is pissing me off!
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marcoxx626 said:
Don't update, the bootloader might be locked. It best to wait for a dev to get a hold of the firmware and make it into a flashable rom that doesn't include the bootloader.
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Apparently using Mobile Odin you can flash the update with rootkeeper and you keep Knox at 0x0 and get a rooted 4.4.2 (make sure you set it to reboot into download to flash the bootloader)
Details are in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=49502152
I wish T-Mobile would herry the heck up!!!!

dragonstalker said:
i'm guessing you are right. But you have to remember, it's not TMO that's doing it. It's all part of Sammy Knox initiative to make the phones more secure. If you have an unlocked bootloader, there's no way to say that your product is secure. We've picked apart the last 3 builds /na6/na7/nb3 of kitkat from germany, and there's alot of pointless crap built into these roms that will have to be pulled out to , along with the regular developmental crap that sammy puts in there for "Future Updates" Like fingerprints scanner perms and instructions, radios that will never be used, and something pointing to a backup antennae even though the phone does not have one (that's for the note 10.1)
I think they are being lazy, , making one huge TW Rom and then modifying it for individual devices. If you look at the S4 release and the Note 3 release, they are identical builds minus screen size settings and the addition of spen support.
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Yeah i can see where you're coming from. but I still don't think Sammy will lock it down, but we'll see.

TMO is busy now with their "marketing campaign" to attract new customers.. They have no time to do software updates for existing customers
Come on peeps cut them some slack

daraj said:
TMO is busy now with their "marketing campaign" to attract new customers.. They have no time to do software updates for existing customers
Come on peeps cut them some slack
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This is what I was afraid of when switching to TMO. Yeah I save money but at the cost of crappy CS service and very very slow to non-existant updates.
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When will we get 4.4.3?

It's already been out for 6 hours, when will we get 4.4.3... Samsung? HELLO?

2 weeks
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4.4 havent been rolled out to all countries yet and already shouting for 4.4.3? HELLO?
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siralsmooth said:
2 weeks
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you're right =)).

FANdroid said:
It's already been out for 6 hours, when will we get 4.4.3... Samsung? HELLO?
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Very soon my Brother.
At least a month prior to S5 getting its 4.4.5 updates.

Chainwater said:
Very soon my Brother.
At least a month prior to S5 getting its 4.4.5 updates.
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At which time Android 5.0 (Creampuff) will be out.... :silly::laugh:

Since the majority is still waiting for 4.4.2, I suppose may 2015
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dt33 said:
4.4 hasn't been rolled out to all countries yet and already there's shouting for 4.4.3? HELLO?
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Well, we have it in the US, I'm sorry your country doesn't, but don't begrudge us because we have it After years of having to wait on other countries, particularly Europe for the latest and greatest in mobile gear and software, it's kinda nice for a change to be on top over here

californiarailroader said:
Well, we have it in the US, I'm sorry your country doesn't, but don't begrudge us because we have it After years of having to wait on other countries, particularly Europe for the latest and greatest in mobile gear and software, it's kinda nice for a change to be on top over here
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I live in Sweden and 4.4 NEE SMP605 was released first of all countries? ?
Mine point is, all these threads about when will we get 4.4, than it released and peoples wants 4.4.3.
Sure next thread is about when do we get android 5.0 when 4.4.3 release for Note 2014. ?
Galaxy Note SM-P605

By samsung-policy wise, galaxy note will be out of its 18 month support period so no 4.4.3 :victory::highfive:

It comes when it comes whatever it shall be. In the meantime there is a life to be led.

HAHAHAHA~
Thinking too much,guy...I think it well go Android4.5,maybe call Lollipop

ultramag69 said:
At which time Android 5.0 (Creampuff) will be out.... :silly::laugh:
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Why does this name (Creampuff) give me an idea of fart after anal sex?

valexi said:
Why does this name (Creampuff) give me an idea of fart after anal sex?
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Cos the idea we'll get Android 5.0 on the Note 10.1 2014 is a load of fragrant hot air?

Now waiting for 4.4.4..
Come on Samsung, don't keep us waiting.

4.4.3 is just a very minor bug fixing update from 4.4.2. At least we got Kit kat with an updated Samsung skin on top as well. That's honestly a much bigger deal than getting 4.4.3. Now all we need is a stellar ROM packed with some nice tweaks and features. The upcoming Hyperdrive ROM by Sbreen looks to be it.

They'll probably skip 4.4.4 and just go to 5.0.2 in December. Hopefully there's a maintenance update to fix the video bugs in 4.4.2.

Why shouldn't we expect Updates
>>By samsung-policy wise, galaxy note will be out of its 18 month support period so no 4.4.3
Why shouldn't we expect updates. If I buy a laptop with windows I get updates (in the case of my old xp machine for over 10 years) granted my hp or dell support has long since lapsed but I can still update the operating system for bug fixes and enhancements ect..
If I buy an iPad I get updates in the case of my wife for over 4 years now.
So My question is why should Samsung or the android tablet market function any differently?

Samsung_note_2014 said:
>>By samsung-policy wise, galaxy note will be out of its 18 month support period so no 4.4.3
Why shouldn't we expect updates. If I buy a laptop with windows I get updates (in the case of my old xp machine for over 10 years) granted my hp or dell support has long since lapsed but I can still update the operating system for bug fixes and enhancements ect..
If I buy an iPad I get updates in the case of my wife for over 4 years now.
So My question is why should Samsung or the android tablet market function any differently?
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Iphone 3GS/4/4S and Ipad 2//3 did get updates to iOS6/7, probably iOS8/iOS9 too.
Did all these got all new features and works flawless with new updates? Siri was left out on IP4.
Go google on how it worked and u got u answer.

Samsung, like almost all manufacturers, for almost all devices, uses to provide a single major update, and that was Kitkat. LG seems to be special. They can manage to provide two dozen "micro updates", seemingly only fixing baseband issues affecting operation with certain providers in certain countries. No fix list, but that was the purpose of Nokia updates in the past.
My LG L9 got an update from 4.0.4 to 4.1.2 one and a half years ago, from v10x to version v20a. This went up to v20p since, and there was never the slightest noticeable difference. Even a small wifi bug remains present since v20a.

Note 4 Verizon Lollipop

Are we going to get it before Note 5 comes out?

modsrpompous said:
Are we going to get it before Note 5 comes out?
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Most likely. The reason why the Note 4 is getting the update so late, is because the Samsung VR has to also be capable with the Lollipop update. Also, I believe that Samsung, and also carriers, are looking at other devices (such as the Galaxy S5) to see what bugs need fixing before releasing it to the Note 4. My guess for a good release date would be this month. But no later than April (that's when the Galaxy S6 comes out). I hope I helped.

Now What?
Samsung has released Lollipop for the Note 4, Sprint already has it and ATT is pushing it out now. VZW last again, any idea what the hold up is now?

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VZW last again, any idea what the hold up is now?
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Me thinks you answered your own question.

This would require someone here to have a crystal ball...

Welcome to Marshmallow

Looks like we are one step closer to marshmallow. The T-Mobile website now shows the phone in T-Mobile testing phase.
Update: Download some marshmallows now.

Taking them way too long. Verizon already is pushing out Marshmallow for the Note. They are usually the last carrier. I'm disappointed with development from this phone.

you sure about that? to me it still shows that it is under manufacturer development

Maybe we'll see it in April

Telus may rollout Marshmallow at March 30th for s6 edge. what about t-mobile

I believe tmobile has always been the slowest in releasing updates. ..don't be surprised either April or May timeframe

I couldn't help it. I used JUMP to get the S7 Edge. In Reality it's exactly what I wanted the S6 Edge to be. I really have zero complaints about the S6 Edge. I'll miss seeing how it handles marshmallow. I think it'll fit it well.

Can't blame you. ..I'm thinking of upgrading myself. ..this update is taking to long

zeflun said:
Looks like we are one step closer to marshmallow. The T-Mobile website now shows the phone in T-Mobile testing phase.
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Actually if you click on the phone it shows that it's still in manufacturer development.
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Well, Sprint just beat TMobile to marshmallow.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...eir-android-marshmallow-over-the-air-updates/
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dnanj said:
Well, Sprint just beat TMobile to marshmallow.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...eir-android-marshmallow-over-the-air-updates/
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It is kind of hilarious we are now reading Android N developer preview stuff, seeing lowly Sprint rolling out updates to M and we are reading that it's still in a development phase as far as TMobile goes. I not one that thinks M is going to be that great we absolutely need to have it Android. I'm more disappointed I have been a long time Tmobile customer, and going from my first Android, my beloved Nexus One that was put at by Google at the time, to switching over to Samsung and basically being the good little follower/updater of every TOL device they put out prior to my current S6Edge which I obtained on the first day of availability last April 2015 and my wifes Note5 I recently updated her to from her Note 3. TMobile used to be known as the leader of the pack supporting their USA customer base.
Lastly, in the past up thru the latest 5.1.1 updates, it was really easy to flash an International version, use a Kerenel that played happy with TMobile hardware, and occasionally requiring an additional flash of a file to fix call audio issues and we all were golden. I'm guessing that once a TMobile supported Android M Bootloader is available, we can then happily start flashing away the many International Android M ROMs already being posted on those Galaxy S6 and Galaxy S6 Edge sites.
I could be wrong on that, but I really thing once we have a bootloader posted we can all go back to complaining about this or that specific ROM issues, instead of pounding the web sites for Tmobile to get it's act in gear. Really....Sprint ahead of Tmobile....scratching my head

Sprint rolls out their updates first when business is mediocre.

Still waiting for M. This is why I dont buy Tmo S7.

Im start hate samsung, so many versions for the same cellphone or watch, I never want say this but with iphone dont happen thinks like that..

Well, finally it's showing on T-Mobile's page that it is in testing phase.
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There's a petition gng around to release MM for all S6/S6 edge devices so maybe that help...
ammarwajihi said:
Here's the petition on Samsung's software update policy for those who are tired of it. I request you all to please sign it, so we can raise our voice. After signing, don't forget to SHARE it.
Samsung Mobile : Software update policy of Shamesung - Sign the Petition!
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-mo...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=whatsapp
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I know what you mean fabioplata, that's why I went to nexus 6p. Let me tell you that the grass is most definitely greener on this side.
And yes Alex9090 seems like I made a mistake when I started this thread, maybe my excitement got to me. But its in T-Mobile Testing phase now.
KingP1n I don't see Samsung changing their ways anytime soon. They are trying to use touchwiz in a way to make money from it. But the end result is always the same it takes too many resources away from the base OS and the whole experience feels like riding on the short bus.

This is my last Sammie phone anyway... I've been pretty disappointed in it and should have waited to buy it - always out to be the early adopter.. i need to knock that crap off..
Having to wait for hell to freeze over before getting the update just hammers it all home...

The worst part is that this will most likely be the last update this phone will get.
Imagine next year we will be where S5 owners are now last to get if ever get Android N

The worst part is that this will most likely be the last update this phone will get.
Imagine next year we will be where S5 owners are now last to get if ever get Android N.

Nougat

Google has announced the releasing of nougat. Will it come to our N920A?

Probably not since the note 7 is out, we got lucky to get marshmallow.

TechNyne66 said:
Probably not since the note 7 is out, we got lucky to get marshmallow.
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Yea, i know.. maybe we'll get two times lucky.. like my phone before this, xperia z1, still on jellybean when i first bought it, never been dreaming it would be upgraded more than kitkat, and now, it's running lollipop 5.1.1..

redklaver said:
Yea, i know.. maybe we'll get two times lucky.. like my phone before this, xperia z1, still on jellybean when i first bought it, never been dreaming it would be upgraded more than kitkat, and now, it's running lollipop 5.1.1..
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That's Sony, this is Samsung. To different companies out with different point of views, one more tio the people the other is all about money. Not saying we won't but It's not a high chance.

TechNyne66 said:
That's Sony, this is Samsung. To different companies out with different point of views, one more tio the people the other is all about money. Not saying we won't but It's not a high chance.
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Still hope nougat will hit us, and for root access as well, as i just upgrade my note5 to the latest MM , BPG1.. In this case i really disappointed to myself, why i upgrade it, as i live not in the US region, because i read in other thread, you said there's root access for our note 5 but only for 5.1.1 although it's still pain in the ass..

redklaver said:
Still hope nougat will hit us, and for root access as well, as i just upgrade my note5 to the latest MM , BPG1.. In this case i really disappointed to myself, why i upgrade it, as i live not in the US region, because i read in other thread, you said there's root access for our note 5 but only for 5.1.1 although it's still pain in the ass..
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Full root on lollipop was a huge luck strike. Root for marshmallow if ever will take a while if at all and if N comes even longer. Best to just stay away from AT&T phones for good, I'm moving to international Note 7 once released for octa version and root.

TechNyne66 said:
Full root on lollipop was a huge luck strike. Root for marshmallow if ever will take a while if at all and if N comes even longer. Best to just stay away from AT&T phones for good, I'm moving to international Note 7 once released for octa version and root.
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Good idea man.. same here but not note7, looking for huawei mate 8 or higher.. maybe lg v20 or if must samsung, waiting for s8, it's gonna be 6gb ram

Where's there a full root for lollipop on the note 5 att??

And Note7 Sprint version was already had root acces.. long live at&t..

If we drop a candy bar on our Note 5, we might get some Nougat on it.

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Probably not since the note 7 is out, we got lucky to get marshmallow.
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Marshmallow? My AT&T Note 5 is still on lollipop 5.1.1. I check for updates all the time and it always says I'm on the latest version.
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miscrap1 said:
Marshmallow? My AT&T Note 5 is still on lollipop 5.1.1. I check for updates all the time and it always says I'm on the latest version.
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Maybe you live outside US region? If so, you have to flash the firmware yourself like i did..

redklaver said:
Maybe you live outside US region? If so, you have to flash the firmware yourself like i did..
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Nope, the US of A.
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redklaver said:
Google has announced the releasing of nougat. Will it come to our N920A?
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Questions belong in the Help section, not General.
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We were not "lucky" to get MM on the Note 5, Samsung has had no issue supporting the Note 5 and S6 series with MM since they were flagship phones. If you look at the history of Samsung's support for the previous gen phones, I'm confident they will support N for the Note 5 and S6 series unless something comes up that's significant enough for them of all companies to say no. I'd say you have a reasonable expectation to see N on the now previous gen Samsung's. I love my S7 edge though

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We were not "lucky" to get MM on the Note 5, Samsung has had no issue supporting the Note 5 and S6 series with MM since they were flagship phones. If you look at the history of Samsung's support for the previous gen phones, I'm confident they will support N for the Note 5 and S6 series unless something comes up that's significant enough for them of all companies to say no. I'd say you have a reasonable expectation to see N on the now previous gen Samsung's. I love my S7 edge though
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If we get Android N it will probly be Aug or Sept of 2017 Samsung will drag its feet and AT&T will really take it's sweet time releasing it

It's not Samsung you have to be worried about, it's AT&T not finding and releasing.

Agreed, Samsung has even committed to providing the monthly security updates to the providers as soon as possible, and even AT&T has been a bit quicker in releasing those. Granted security patches are pretty easy to scan over and verify they won't screw with the AT&T side of things, but a whole new OS upgrade is definitely another story for carriers so they don't brick phones or cause software glitches because of their modifications to the firmware. Thats one thing I do like about Apple, no carrier specific software, they need to do that with Android, since pretty much all of the carrier apps are on the Play Store, and if they aren't well, I say f you to the carriers and their garbage modifications anyways, hence why I flashed the unlocked firmware to my S7 edge.

And beta avalible in Korea
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2016/10/11/samsung-galaxy-nougat-update-info-2016/

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Nope, the US of A.
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Go to best buy and have the Samsung associate update your phone to 6.0. Did mine yesterday and couldn't be happier. My note 5 is more snappier and responsive
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