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Well we all know that some ROM/Kernel/Radio( R.K.R. for the rest of this post )setups have benefits and draw backs, usually pertaining to battery life versus function. I've yet to find one that is the best on both. I know of some arrangements that are balanced, but never full blast on both. What I would like to start discussing here are different RKR arrangements that have created either a high speed environment and those RKR setups that extend the battery life significantly. Being both a traveling person and a nerdy techi enthusiast , it'd be nice to know what I should use in my phone to allow me to listen to music / movies/ simple games the longest for 8 hour flights and what I can do to really enjoy my 3D gaming without any lag for when I don't care about my battery life.
Your thoughts?
CM7
Incredikernel 4/19 OC'd to 1113
11.19 Radio
Seemed to be good for performance and battery on my phone at least.
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So over clocking increased battery life? Seems backwards lol
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I didn't notice any difference in battery from running it at 998 or 1113 honestly.
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I have good luck with the following:
ROM: CM7.0.0
Kernel: SavagedZen 0.0.1 BFS
Radio: 11.19
Also, I'm OC'd to 1.152 GHz and am using viperboy's undervolt mod at -100mV.
For me, this results in great performance and very good battery life (at least for the last day or two, during which I've made it a point to stress it and see how it runs).
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I have good luck with the following:
ROM: CM7.0.0
Kernel: SavagedZen 0.0.1 BFS
Radio: 11.19
Also, I'm OC'd to 1.152 GHz and am using viperboy's undervolt mod at -100mV.
For me, this results in great performance and very good battery life (at least for the last day or two, during which I've made it a point to stress it and see how it runs).
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Do you think you can post links to those Roms / zips please?
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Sure, here you go:
CM7: http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?type=stable&device=inc
SavagedZen Kernel: savaged-zen.com (I can't seem to get their download page to work, but that might just be my computer as I am at work) (BTW, file name for the kernel I'm running is SavagedZen-0.0.1-INC-BFS-HAVS-GB-signed.zip)
Radio: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=886129
viperboy's Undervolt Mod: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1052026
A few small notes...
1) The kernel: Some say that SZ is a ripoff of Tiamat.. I don't know if that's true or not, but I've had better luck with SZ, so I run it.
2) The radio: If you've never flashed a radio, be careful and read the instructions in the thread closely.
3) As far as OC'ing, CM7 has that built in under the CyanogenMod Settings menu, no need for SetCPU.
4) Undervolt Mod: I was one of what seemed like very few people that got the -100 undervolt to work.. if it is not stable, try some of the others viperboy has posted.
Good luck!
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4) Undervolt Mod: I was one of what seemed like very few people that got the -100 undervolt to work.. if it is not stable, try some of the others viperboy has posted.
Good luck!
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On a side note of this make sure whatever kernel you choose uses havs. A large group of people seem to be doing just fine with -50 voltage script. Radio can make a difference also. I'm currently using and have had the best luck with the 4.08 radio.
These are just my opinions, there what works for me. However not two phones are alike. In the end I'm sure you'll find your perfect setup.
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So what does undervolting do? I am assuming it reduces power consumption yet at the same time you are over clocking. It seems like two factors that'd defeat eachother. However, again, it's why I started this thread is to learn more techniques than I already know.
7he Messiah said:
Sure, here you go:
CM7: http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?type=stable&device=inc
SavagedZen Kernel: savaged-zen.com (I can't seem to get their download page to work, but that might just be my computer as I am at work) (BTW, file name for the kernel I'm running is SavagedZen-0.0.1-INC-BFS-HAVS-GB-signed.zip)
Radio: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=886129
viperboy's Undervolt Mod: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1052026
A few small notes...
1) The kernel: Some say that SZ is a ripoff of Tiamat.. I don't know if that's true or not, but I've had better luck with SZ, so I run it.
2) The radio: If you've never flashed a radio, be careful and read the instructions in the thread closely.
3) As far as OC'ing, CM7 has that built in under the CyanogenMod Settings menu, no need for SetCPU.
4) Undervolt Mod: I was one of what seemed like very few people that got the -100 undervolt to work.. if it is not stable, try some of the others viperboy has posted.
Good luck!
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I am fairly sure the downloads are gone saddly. Any chance you still have the downloads for the SV? And from your experience what's the difference between Tiamat and SV?
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So what does undervolting do? I am assuming it reduces power consumption yet at the same time you are over clocking. It seems like two factors that'd defeat eachother. However, again, it's why I started this thread is to learn more techniques than I already know.
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Yes, it does reduce power consumption. I'm pretty sure the reason that it works to OC is that all the undervolt script does is change the max draw of the CPU at any given frequency. So even though I'm running at a faster clock speed, the new max voltage draw at that speed may be lower than my previous max for stock clock speed.
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I am fairly sure the downloads are gone saddly. Any chance you still have the downloads for the SV? And from your experience what's the difference between Tiamat and SV?
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Yeah, I kinda figured that might be the case, but I wasn't going to rule out the POS computer I use for work. As far as why I run SZ instead of Tiamat is that the one time I tried Tiamat, I could not get my SD card to mount to my computer, despite the fact that it had been mounted just five minutes prior in order to put the Tiamat zip on for installation... After that, I gave up on Tiamat and don't bother trying it anymore.
Also, I have attached the zip of SZ for your flashing pleasure.
The undervolt causes my Droid Inc to get to the HTC splash and freeze there ( waited 20 mins) . I got the radio, rom, and kernel as you described
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Which undervolt level(s) did you try? Please keep in mind that like I said, most people haven't been able to get very far with -100 or -75mv, so I am a bit of a rarity in that regard.
If none of the undervolt mods work for you, I'd advise posting in the thread and seeing if viperboy has any ideas; he's been very supportive if people have issues.
Well none of the other downloads work *cries*
Are there any other "Undervolting" kernels or mods that you know of? I know Hydra is supposed to but their site doesn't work, it seems to have fallen off the map. Ideas?
Some kernels are undervolted as part of their design. invisiblek is one of them, and I know a lot of people run it. You might give that a shot.
Also, if you mean that viperboy's links are down, it might be nice to message him or post and let him know that if he does not already.
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Well none of the other downloads work *cries*
Are there any other "Undervolting" kernels or mods that you know of? I know Hydra is supposed to but their site doesn't work, it seems to have fallen off the map. Ideas?
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Links should be working, just double checked them and all the Inc ones work.
Hi guys, i've been looking into many threads and reading a lot of posts and asking a lot of questions. however i know that their is not for sure answer to this but i would like to see what you guys believe to be your best kernel for battery and performance. i have seen people say it is Godmode (v9), Tiamat v4.1.0, Tiamat v3.3.7, and Savaged-zen v2.2.1. (ALL of these ARE with SBC-OFF). i just want to know what is you best kernel at the moment for your evo with decks or cm7.
Side Question: what is the difference between the governors: (Interactive, InteractiveX, Smartass, SmartassV2, Savaged-zen, and Lag Free)?
- Thank You
I like Tiamat 4.1.0, but I can't help you for your side question. I'm still new to development and rooting
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I like Tiamat 4.1.0, but I can't help you for your side question. I'm still new to development and rooting
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i know you said your new but im just wondering have you tried any other kernels?
and what is your battery life with Tiamat 4.1.0
I've used damn near every kernel available for CM7. And by far the BEST kernel for battery life is Savaged Zen. I'm on a stock battery and it just seems to last forever. Add to that the fact that the battery lasts all day without sacrificing performance at all. Every phone is different and you may or may not see the same results. This is just what has worked for my phone. Honestly, your best bet is to get flash happy with various kernels until you find one that gives you the performance and battery life that you're looking for. By the way, I use SVZ Manager with my kernel so that I can toggle SBC on and off as I please. It's a nice apk that gives you some flexibility.
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i know you said your new but im just wondering have you tried any other kernels?
and what is your battery life with Tiamat 4.1.0
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I've tried Tiamat 4.0.8 and a Savaged Zen kernel (can't remember which version). They both gave me about 12 hours of battery life on an average day(for me). But an average day for me is going to school, so I'm not on my phone as much. I haven't gotten to really test the battery life because I haven't looked at it on the weekend when I'm not at school. But like Concordium said, every phone is different! Try them all!
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I've used damn near every kernel available for CM7. And by far the BEST kernel for battery life is Savaged Zen. I'm on a stock battery and it just seems to last forever. Add to that the fact that the battery lasts all day without sacrificing performance at all. Every phone is different and you may or may not see the same results. This is just what has worked for my phone. Honestly, your best bet is to get flash happy with various kernels until you find one that gives you the performance and battery life that you're looking for. By the way, I use SVZ Manager with my kernel so that I can toggle SBC on and off as I please. It's a nice apk that gives you some flexibility.
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at the moment i am using the latest svz kernel with the svz manager as well. i have been flashing many kernels and for a while i was happy when i used the godmode kernel my phone lasted me 1 day and 6 hours, however he is no longer updating his kernels =( i'm hoping to find another kernel such as that one that will give me around the same results ^_^
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at the moment i am using the latest svz kernel with the svz manager as well. i have been flashing many kernels and for a while i was happy when i used the godmode kernel my phone lasted me 1 day and 6 hours, however he is no longer updating his kernels =( i'm hoping to find another kernel such as that one that will give me around the same results ^_^
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I liked Godmode. But it didn't seem to give me as good battery life as savaged zen has given me. Each phone is different though.
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I liked Godmode. But it didn't seem to give me as good battery life as savaged zen has given me. Each phone is different though.
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well im testing this one out at the moment and it has given me so far 17 hours and 20 mins, still at 31% battery, im just not sure if it'll do better than godmode did, at the moment im running it on the smartass kernel and i ran godmode on interactive so maybe that is the prob... however another issue is i've heard that svz is no longer updating as well... do u know if this is true? and one random thing that only a few people have told me is that they run on performance and overclock their phone and get the best battery from it, is that possible or a lie?
Edit: it lasted 20 hours and 53 mins, so since it didn't do as good as GodMode did then im gonna try the tiamat 4.1.0 now cause it has first place in the poll atm.
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well im testing this one out at the moment and it has given me so far 17 hours and 20 mins, still at 31% battery, im just not sure if it'll do better than godmode did, at the moment im running it on the smartass kernel and i ran godmode on interactive so maybe that is the prob... however another issue is i've heard that svz is no longer updating as well... do u know if this is true? and one random thing that only a few people have told me is that they run on performance and overclock their phone and get the best battery from it, is that possible or a lie?
Edit: it lasted 20 hours and 53 mins, so since it didn't do as good as GodMode did then im gonna try the tiamat 4.1.0 now cause it has first place in the poll atm.
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Its true that its not being updated anymore. It sucks but I plan to ride it out as long as the kernel functions properly with CM. Once it starts screwing up then I'll switch.
Those who say they get the best battery life by overclocking and putting their phone on performance are full of crap. Performance governor is basically the polar opposite of Powersave. Performance keeps your cpu constantly running at a high frequency. Logic states that overclocking to 1.13 ghz and perpetually running at that frequency requires more power than running at 245 mhz. The more power required the less time your battery will stay alive. Powersave gives you best battery life but gives you crap performance. Interactive, Smartass, and Ondemand give you a balance of performance and battery life. Performance gives you the best performance but crap battery life.
By the way, do you really need a phone that can stay off the charger for more than 21 hours? :-x
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Its true that its not being updated anymore. It sucks but I plan to ride it out as long as the kernel functions properly with CM. Once it starts screwing up then I'll switch.
Those who say they get the best battery life by overclocking and putting their phone on performance are full of crap. Performance governor is basically the polar opposite of Powersave. Performance keeps your cpu constantly running at a high frequency. Logic states that overclocking to 1.13 ghz and perpetually running at that frequency requires more power than running at 245 mhz. The more power required the less time your battery will stay alive. Powersave gives you best battery life but gives you crap performance. Interactive, Smartass, and Ondemand give you a balance of performance and battery life. Performance gives you the best performance but crap battery life.
By the way, do you really need a phone that can stay off the charger for more than 21 hours? :-x
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no i do not but! 3 days of the week im at school doing nothing for 8-10 hours so... i think if my phone can run longer than a day w/o charging then it mean i can play games on my phone while waiting and by the end of the day i'll still have battery. and does it make sense for someone to get better battery life on interactive than on smartass?
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no i do not but! 3 days of the week im at school doing nothing for 8-10 hours so... i think if my phone can run longer than a day w/o charging then it mean i can play games on my phone while waiting and by the end of the day i'll still have battery. and does it make sense for someone to get better battery life on interactive than on smartass?
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Well Smartass, as I've heard it described, is sort of like Interactive 2.0. It's basically the interactive governor but better. Unfortunately, I do not know enough of the exact specifics of the governors to tell you which SHOULD be getting better battery. I would just run each of those governors and see which one works better for you.
And I thought your phone already lasted 21 hours with a decent amount of usage. You need to test the governors/kernels in the exact situation you are going to be using the phone. Interactive, Ondemand, and Smartass would all manage the phone pretty much the same if you just leave it alone and let it sit till the battery drains. but they each manage the power allocation supplied to the cpu very differently during actual use. One ramps up the voltage quickly while one scales it up more gradually. So take your charger with you to school, in case you run into trouble, and use the phone as you believe you will be using it in the future. Then you'll have a more accurate idea of which setup works best for you.
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Well Smartass, as I've heard it described, is sort of like Interactive 2.0. It's basically the interactive governor but better. Unfortunately, I do not know enough of the exact specifics of the governors to tell you which SHOULD be getting better battery. I would just run each of those governors and see which one works better for you.
And I thought your phone already lasted 21 hours with a decent amount of usage. You need to test the governors/kernels in the exact situation you are going to be using the phone. Interactive, Ondemand, and Smartass would all manage the phone pretty much the same if you just leave it alone and let it sit till the battery drains. but they each manage the power allocation supplied to the cpu very differently during actual use. One ramps up the voltage quickly while one scales it up more gradually. So take your charger with you to school, in case you run into trouble, and use the phone as you believe you will be using it in the future. Then you'll have a more accurate idea of which setup works best for you.
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just wondering what do you keep your cpu settings at: the governor, cpu min & max?
When I am plugged into my wall charger I keep it at 1113/245. I use Performance for benchmarking and testing since I don't need to worry about battery life and Smartass when doing everything else. For normal every day use I have it at 1036/245/Smartass, Interactive, or Ondemand. I don't really have a preference between the three governors since they all make my battery last more than long enough. So it usually comes down to whichever my clumsy finger happens to accidentally select first. If I happen to not go home and need more life then I'll drop to 729/245/Conservative or Powersave. I use conservative if I still need to be able to use the phone a bit and powersave if I want my phone to just sit there and look pretty till I get back home.
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When I am plugged into my wall charger I keep it at 1113/245. I use Performance for benchmarking and testing since I don't need to worry about battery life and Smartass when doing everything else. For normal every day use I have it at 1036/245/Smartass, Interactive, or Ondemand. I don't really have a preference between the three governors since they all make my battery last more than long enough. So it usually comes down to whichever my clumsy finger happens to accidentally select first. If I happen to not go home and need more life then I'll drop to 729/245/Conservative or Powersave. I use conservative if I still need to be able to use the phone a bit and powersave if I want my phone to just sit there and look pretty till I get back home.
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why is ur lowest 245 and not 128? sorry if im bugging you
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why is ur lowest 245 and not 128? sorry if im bugging you
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You're not bugging me man. This place exists so people can ask questions and get help.
I keep my min at 245 because I've read, in multiple places, that allowing it to go any lower is not something your cpu really appreciates. Just like there is such thing as too high with your clock speed there is also a too low. And everywhere I have seen 245 is the preferred low end. I am not 100% sure as to why but I would assume that it is because your cpu needs at least a certain amount of power to run the basic processes required to keep your phone functional. Similar to a computer. Lower the cpu too much and it just can't do what it needs to.
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You're not bugging me man. This place exists so people can ask questions and get help.
I keep my min at 245 because I've read, in multiple places, that allowing it to go any lower is not something your cpu really appreciates. Just like there is such thing as too high with your clock speed there is also a too low. And everywhere I have seen 245 is the preferred low end. I am not 100% sure as to why but I would assume that it is because your cpu needs at least a certain amount of power to run the basic processes required to keep your phone functional. Similar to a computer. Lower the cpu too much and it just can't do what it needs to.
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i see do u happen to know of a good thread that talks about this? cause i keep mine at the lowest because i read that its better for battery life, but they never said anything about it being bad
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i see do u happen to know of a good thread that talks about this? cause i keep mine at the lowest because i read that its better for battery life, but they never said anything about it being bad
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I don't remember there being a thread dedicated to this. I just remember it from posts I saw within different OC/UV threads. Do a Google search for it and see if that returns any results. Like I said, I doubt you'll find a full dedicated thread. But you may be able to find the individual posts where it's mentioned.
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I don't remember there being a thread dedicated to this. I just remember it from posts I saw within different OC/UV threads. Do a Google search for it and see if that returns any results. Like I said, I doubt you'll find a full dedicated thread. But you may be able to find the individual posts where it's mentioned.
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thank you, you have been really helpful ^_^
With Tiamat 4.1 and juicedefender I get the best battery performance and v6 supercharger I have a smooth screen with no problems or lag at all.
Hello everyone.
I am looking for a relative best rom and kernel combination for daily use which focus on heating and battery life.
I’ve tried AOKP38 with franco185 and did't change the setting of CPU model. The temperature raised to almost 50 degree. I only open the instrgram and twitter for 10min.
I also tried the slim4.0. The heating is much better than B38 with franco. But battery life seems not good.
Wound you mind recommending the best rom and kernel combination you have ever used?
Thanks! Sorry for my bad English.
I too will like to know. I will be watching this thread very closely.
After browsing through many threads where talk regarding heating issues take place, I'd say underclocking are undervolting are your best bet.
If you don't play any 3D games or do anything that requires some real juice from your CPU, I'd say you'd be fine with underclocking to like 1036 MHz and maybe do some slight undervolting.
If you only want do to the underclocking part, and if you got heating issues with Franco, then try Morfic's trinity kernel.
Grrr_23 said:
Hello everyone.
I am looking for a relative best rom and kernel combination for daily use which focus on heating and battery life.
I’ve tried AOKP38 with franco185 and did't change the setting of CPU model. The temperature raised to almost 50 degree. I only open the instrgram and twitter for 10min.
I also tried the slim4.0. The heating is much better than B38 with franco. But battery life seems not good.
Wound you mind recommending the best rom and kernel combination you have ever used?
Thanks! Sorry for my bad English.
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185 seems to have quite a few problems (see Franco's thread). I jumped ship onto the 181 kernel - wireless tethering (encrypted) works, the GPU is fast enough, and it doesn't seem to overheat. I don't use the kernel for benchmarking (although..... ) but rather, to improve the GPU performance.
And I'm on stock ICS, not AOKP.
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After browsing through many threads where talk regarding heating issues take place, I'd say underclocking are undervolting are your best bet.
If you don't play any 3D games or do anything that requires some real juice from your CPU, I'd say you'd be fine with underclocking to like 1036 MHz and maybe do some slight undervolting.
If you only want do to the underclocking part, and if you got heating issues with Franco, then try Morfic's trinity kernel.
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I only pay the Temple run sometimes. Does this game require a high CPU?
And how about the battery life on your nexus? The screen on time? 2H?
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185 seems to have quite a few problems (see Franco's thread). I jumped ship onto the 181 kernel - wireless tethering (encrypted) works, the GPU is fast enough, and it doesn't seem to overheat. I don't use the kernel for benchmarking (although..... ) but rather, to improve the GPU performance.
And I'm on stock ICS, not AOKP.
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How about the battery life on stock ICS？
I changed the franco nightly to milestone4 and now heating is gone, even play Modern Combat 3 us no problem. AOKP with milestone 4 is best for me bro! ;-)
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I only pay the Temple run sometimes. Does this game require a high CPU?
And how about the battery life on your nexus? The screen on time? 2H?
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I've been underclocked to 1036MHz for a while now and I've never had and problems running any games. NOVA 3 and similar games runs great. The only issues I've had are when I get a call or SMS. Then my phone starts to lag, but eventually picks itself back up.
Every device is different. What works great for someone probably won't work great for you. You have to try them all to see what suites your phone the best.
There are already many threads discussing this, please use an already established thread instead of creating a new one.
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I've noticed that my S3 gets hot quite often and am considering to undervolt my Galaxy s3.
Does undervolting interfere with the performance of the S3? I am the type of user who HATES when there are lags when you scroll through pages, homescreen, and app drawer.
Undervolting is just lowering how much voltage a given frequency uses. It doesnt effect tye performance. The only thing you need to be careful of is instability. Not all chips can undervolt the same. If you undervolt too much for your chip you will get freezes and reboots.
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Undervolting is just lowering how much voltage a given frequency uses. It doesnt effect tye performance. The only thing you need to be careful of is instability. Not all chips can undervolt the same. If you undervolt too much for your chip you will get freezes and reboots.
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That is exactly right. I have two S3 phones on the FAUX Kernel .10u Version and one can under volt to 800 for min frequency and the other will not boot with these settings. Through trial and error both are stable but voltages are different.
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Undervolting is just lowering how much voltage a given frequency uses. It doesnt effect tye performance. The only thing you need to be careful of is instability. Not all chips can undervolt the same. If you undervolt too much for your chip you will get freezes and reboots.
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Thanks for the reply. Could you tell me what Kernel / Governor settings and how much i should undervolt to get a stable setting?
It would be great if the performance was still there while saving battery.
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Thanks for the reply. Could you tell me what Kernel / Governor settings and how much i should undervolt to get a stable setting?
It would be great if the performance was still there while saving battery.
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I use this kernal : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1756776
Things to know about the kernal:
-If you are using a stock based rom use the sammy version.
-You need to reflash the kernal after any rom flash or you lose wifi/bluetooth
The kernal is already undervolted a little. If you want more you need to do some trial and error to find what works for your chip.
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I use this kernal : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1756776
Things to know about the kernal:
-If you are using a stock based rom use the sammy version.
-You need to reflash the kernal after any rom flash or you lose wifi/bluetooth
The kernal is already undervolted a little. If you want more you need to do some trial and error to find what works for your chip.
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Thank you so much. And which app would i use to change the clockspeed and governor settings?
So that kernel will work with stock Bell rom? If i dont like the kernel, can I just reload my previous nandroid image to remove it?
What are your guys' opinions on the performance of these two kernels? From what I've gathered it seems like KToon's kernel is meant for overclocking, but then what would one use task's for?
Task's recent update to his kernel makes me want to try it because I've been using KToon's kernel with the ktoonservative governer and row scheduler UV'ed a little bit but unlocked to 2.1GHz and have been having some pretty bad battery life in mu opinion, do you think switching to task's kernel would be better on the battery?
Well what do you guys think?
Fun Fact for the day. Versus threads get shut down in no time here on XDA.
P.S- Why wouldn't you just try it first before making a thread about it? Kernels take about 3 seconds to flash. Also. No one can tell you that you will get better battery life on one or the other considering all of the variables. We are all in different locations, use different apps, have different settings, and we all use our devices differently. You need to try them both out and see which one works better for YOUR device.
Man why are ya giving me a hard time? You kicked me out of your thread, which I understood and respect, but then you come here and tell me the same thing you told me before and that my thread's gonna go to the bin in no time.
I'm just trying to find out what the DIFFERENCES between the kernels are, because it isn't very clear in reading the descriptions/OP's,
They wouldn't co-exist if they were exactly the same.
I'm not too interested in tweaking the hell out of my device nor do I care too much about overclocking...I just want a lot of screen time and the ability to play games and SMS with little lag.
I have tried out both kernels and didn't really notice much difference because I didn't really know what to look for.
Like, okay or example, it seems to me that your kernel is less for tweaking and isn't for overclocking (max 1.6GHz or something?) while KToons can go to 2.1.
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Man why are ya giving me a hard time? You kicked me out of your thread, which I understood and respect, but then you come here and tell me the same thing you told me before and that my thread's gonna go to the bin in no time.
I'm just trying to find out what the DIFFERENCES between the kernels are, because it isn't very clear in reading the descriptions/OP's,
They wouldn't co-exist if they were exactly the same.
I'm not too interested in tweaking the hell out of my device nor do I care too much about overclocking...I just want a lot of screen time and the ability to play games and SMS with little lag.
I have tried out both kernels and didn't really notice much difference because I didn't really know what to look for.
Like, okay or example, it seems to me that your kernel is less for tweaking and isn't for overclocking (max 1.6GHz or something?) while KToons can go to 2.1.
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I'm not giving you are hard time. I'm just telling you the facts here. If you're not into tweaking and messing with things then this is simple and really shouldn't make a difference to you which one you use other than battery life, less lag, ect... Which no one can tell you one is better than the other for. Flash one and don't touch the settings for it and use it how you normally would for a day or two. Then do the same for the other kernel. See which one gets you the best results. Its the only way to find out. Not quite sure why you're refusing to take my advice here. Its pretty straight forward.
There's kernel source in both threads that explain in DETAIL all the DIFFERENCES between the two. It literally only takes seconds to flash and see for yourself. This shouldn't be a big deal at all.
I think they re two of the same.Task just doesnt want KT to know he borrowed his kernel...lol jk. But seriously,they're pretty similar.KT seems better on the performance end but I never got the exceptional battery stats that ppl keep posting,IdK it may be something on my end. On the other hand, task's seemed better on my battery as I could not noticeably see my battery drain during use as I did on Kt's. Furthermore my phone does get hot really fast on task kernel,I'm guessing its cuz we use performance control and can't really play in the voltages as much.
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I think they re two of the same.Task just doesnt want KT to know he borrowed his kernel...lol jk. But seriously,they're pretty similar.KT seems better on the performance end but I never got the exceptional battery stats that ppl keep posting,IdK it may be something on my end. On the other hand, task's seemed better on my battery as I could not noticeably see my battery drain during use as I did on Kt's. Furthermore my phone does get hot really fast on task kernel,I'm guessing its cuz we use performance control and can't really play in the voltages as much.
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Or all or any of that could be due to the apps your have on your device, the settings you choose, ect...
P.S- My phone has never gotten hot. Probably due to what I mentioned above.
task650 said:
If you're not into tweaking and messing with things then this is simple and really shouldn't make a difference to you which one you use other than battery life, less lag, ect... Flash one and don't touch the settings for it and use it how you normally would for a day or two. Then do the same for the other kernel. See which one gets you the best results. Its the only way to find out. Not quite sure why you're refusing to take my advice here. Its pretty straight forward.
There's kernel source in both threads that explain in DETAIL all the DIFFERENCES between the two. It literally only takes seconds to flash and see for yourself. This shouldn't be a big deal at all.
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I have flashed both kernels. And I don't mean that I am not planning on doing ANY tweaking whatsoever, I just don't mean like messing with voltages adding or subtracting 25 at a time until my CPU crashes so I can find the under/overclock limit...that's the kind of tweaking I have no interest in trying. I'm not gonna look through he sources of both kernels, come on dude you know I'm not a dev and that level of detail is un-necessary.
Your kernel being capped at 1.6GHz probably is better on battery but I also have a sixaxis controller and like to game, does it affect 3D performance at all?
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Ithey're pretty similar.KT seems better on the performance end but I never got the exceptional battery stats that ppl keep posting,IdK it may be something on my end. On the other hand, task's seemed better on my battery as I could not noticeably see my battery drain during use as I did on Kt's. Furthermore my phone does get hot really fast on task kernel,I'm guessing its cuz we use performance control and can't really play in the voltages as much.
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This is the kind of posts I'm looking for in this thread. Do you personally find task's kernel's performance to be any worse than KT's? Cause you said bettery life seemed better.
Also, are the same governers and I/O schedules available between both kernels? The only settings I'm used to using is ktoonservative and row, I wouldn't really know what to do in performance control to emulate what I've done in KTweaker.
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This is the kind of posts I'm looking for in this thread. Do you personally find task's kernel's performance to be any worse than KT's? Cause you said bettery life seemed better.
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He cannot answer this question honestly. He doesn't have your device. You're not understanding. He can have the best battery life possible on my kernel but if you use it, you could have the worst battery life possible. IT'S DEVICE DEPENDENT. Will you please just do yourself a favor and take 3 seconds, flash the kernel, and see. You say you've tried them both, but you are also asking about playing games and what not with them? You would know if you had tried them dude. Same goes for the governors & schedulers. You would also know that if you had actually tried them both. I need to ask you this. Why won't you just try them and see for yourself. Are you really the type of person to flash what people tell you to your expensive device?
Look dude. I'm only trying to help you here. I'm not quite sure why you wouldn't just take my advice here. I have quite a bit of experience with this stuff and I'm trying to help you get the best experience possible. But it seems as though you think that personal opinions of others are whats best for your device when in all reality they are not. Real life testing is what will prove to be best for your device. Trust me.
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I have flashed both kernels. And I don't mean that I am not planning on doing ANY tweaking whatsoever, I just don't mean like messing with voltages adding or subtracting 25 at a time until my CPU crashes so I can find the under/overclock limit...that's the kind of tweaking I have no interest in trying. I'm not gonna look through he sources of both kernels, come on dude you know I'm not a dev and that level of detail is un-necessary.
Your kernel being capped at 1.6GHz probably is better on battery but I also have a sixaxis controller and like to game, does it affect 3D performance at all?
This is the kind of posts I'm looking for in this thread. Do you personally find task's kernel's performance to be any worse than KT's? Cause you said bettery life seemed better.
Also, are the same governers and I/O schedules available between both kernels? The only settings I'm used to using is ktoonservative and row, I wouldn't really know what to do in performance control to emulate what I've done in KTweaker.
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What You won't have on underwear kernel vs kt747: ktoonservative gov, vibration strength control, screen off max freq control, screen off gov control, fast charge, MHz range from 96 to 2106, undervolting capabilities and adjustments to governors and schedulers.
If you don't want to undervolt or tweak anything, I recommend you use underwear kernel. It is stable fast and oc to 1674mhz is alright for any gaming and it doesn't affect 3d performance.
If you wanna use ktoonservative governor then you will have no choice but to use kt747.
But anyway, what you really need is to try both and familiarize yourself with their features.
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What You won't have on underwear kernel vs kt747: ktoonservative gov, vibration strength control, screen off max freq control, screen off gov control, fast charge, MHz range from 96 to 2106, undervolting capabilities and adjustments to governors and schedulers.
If you don't want to undervolt or tweak anything, I recommend you use underwear kernel. It is stable fast and oc to 1674mhz is alright for any gaming and it doesn't affect 3d performance.
If you wanna use ktoonservative governor then you will have no choice but to use kt747.
But anyway, what you really need is to try both and familiarize yourself with their features.
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Comprehensive list. I like it. Now I gotta figure out which gov I'm gonna use when I flash the underwear kernel.
Thanks everybody for their input, if anyone else has anything to say then please go for it!
Wiping cache + dalvik and flashing underwear kernel then fixing permissions and rebooting and gonna take a look around performance control to see whats up.
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Or all or any of that could be due to the apps your have on your device, the settings you choose, ect...
P.S- My phone has never gotten hot. Probably due to what I mentioned above.
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Ohh Thnx man. While you're here any suggestions as to how I go about fixing/finding out which apps are responsible? Also,any combinations/settings you might recommend trying with your kernel,despite the phone dependent variables and what not. Thnx )
Running the underwear kernel today, changes frequencies min and max to the farthest it can go. Will report back with my results.
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Sorry man, but no need to report back here as it has already been stated that each User's experience will differ upon usage, apps, personal habits, planet alignment,... Boils down to a flash and see type thing.
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Here is some info on Governor and I/O schedulers. Obviously it isn't going to include Ktoonservative or ROW but you get the idea.