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Has anyone installed xbmc-torrents on Amazon Fire Tv and experienced any problems? Thx
athosk said:
Has anyone installed xbmc-torrents on Amazon Fire Tv and experienced any problems? Thx
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Works perfectly fine for me
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athosk said:
Has anyone installed xbmc-torrents on Amazon Fire Tv and experienced any problems? Thx
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I have che following setup.
Rooted ftv. Xbmc 13.1. Stick mount to connect an external HDD.
Xbmctorrent is configured to save stuff on a subdir in the HDD. It works fine for TV series episodes. Yesterday night I tried with a movie and had two times the fire TV to completely crash after something like 15 minutes watching. I guess this might be related to having downloaded a file which is larger than a certain threshold. The first time it crashed I also got scared because it was stuck in the Amazon black screen without any sign of life. I removed power for a while to have it start back.
I am watching a TV episode now and it seems fine.
The other issue I experienced is sometimes getting the Xbmctorrent script failed. Not on eztv though, I guess this is related on how they handle individual sources.
Any help or other experiences?
Do you guys also know a better way integrated in xbmc to pick up a torrent to be downloaded and then watch it later, rather than immediately streaming?
I have two AFTV with XBMC 13.1 and xbmctorrent.
I never had issues with any files over 4gb. I mounted a usb flash drive (NTFS formatted) with stickmount, but I don't use that for xbmctorrent. I have xbmctorrent buffer up on the AFTV internal memory.
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I have two AFTV with XBMC 13.1 and xbmctorrent.
I never had issues with any files over 4gb. I mounted a usb flash drive (NTFS formatted) with stickmount, but I don't use that for xbmctorrent. I have xbmctorrent buffer up on the AFTV internal memory.
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This is really interesting. I wonder why I have so serious issues.
Yesterday I tried with a TV show, and it was stopping the reproduction immediately after starting, even though the download had no problems at all! After tried a few times, I had again the most disruptive crash with AFTV stuck on the black screen with white amazon logo. After that, I decided to uninstall the plugin.
Any suggestion?!
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This is really interesting. I wonder why I have so serious issues.
Yesterday I tried with a TV show, and it was stopping the reproduction immediately after starting, even though the download had no problems at all! After tried a few times, I had again the most disruptive crash with AFTV stuck on the black screen with white amazon logo. After that, I decided to uninstall the plugin.
Any suggestion?!
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Try not putting any path for the download field in xbmctorrent, so it will use the internal memory to download on.
XBMCTorrent
This issue is happenning to me as well, I have toyed with all the options\save pathes possible, nothing seems to fix it.
I also opened an Issue on XBMCTorrent's Gibhub and Stream (a fork of this addon) but no help yet.
This is my favorite addon and it's a total deal-breaker for me about the AFTV
I really hope someone will find a fix for this...
Is there a difference between xbmc torrent and an android based torrent client?
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Is there a difference between xbmc torrent and an android based torrent client?
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the difference is xbmc isnt a regular torrent addon. Its used only to stream/seed movies. you cant load a regular torrent file and expect it to download.
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I think the solution is simple.....uninstall XBMC and install SPMC (XBMC for Ouya). Alot more stable and dosnt keep the data stuck in memory.
You can get it here
https://github.com/koying/SPMC/releases/download/13.2.1-spmc/spmc-armeabi-v7a_13.2.1.apk
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I think the solution is simple.....uninstall XBMC and install SPMC (XBMC for Ouya). Alot more stable and dosnt keep the data stuck in memory.
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Is there evidence of better behavior of SPMC on AFTV than regular XBMC? I just went to the official XBMC, but maybe I did the wrong choice! Is it possible to install it without losing all the preferences over current XBMC?
I'm using the xbmc with the launcher mod, and last night got the xbmctorrent to sort of work. It was making my firetv unstable, I had at least two blackscreens while using it.
I'm not on the latest xbmc but am on the latest torrent plugin, but at this point I'm not inclined to keep chasing the plugin too often, neat as it is when it works.
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Is there evidence of better behavior of SPMC on AFTV than regular XBMC? I just went to the official XBMC, but maybe I did the wrong choice! Is it possible to install it without losing all the preferences over current XBMC?
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the older version of spmc works the best.
load the apk on post 9
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54237038&postcount=9
I have personally tried XBMC on all available platforms (Apple TV, Ipad, Windows 8.1, Android minix, Android tv box wih quad core processor and 8core graphics card capable of 4K output). Best one i think is windows.....it would be apple tv but that only gives 720p output.
Now, with Amazon, XBMC torrents somehow data is being saved somewhere and if you look at the screen before launching it, you will notice that the data file keeps getting bigger and at some point that would create a problem as AFT has only 8 GB memory.
With SPMC, I haven't really seen any increaments on the data file size...i wil keep you posted in the next few days if i notice any change
I've been seeing many of the issues with xbmc torrent that I've heard reported from others - problems downloading, issues where, once a stream gets into enough trouble, the box itself resets, very long initial load times.
I thought I was giving up on it, but I was curious and decided to look into what I was seeing.
Once things get bad enough that the FTV bombs out, I also noticed that I needed to reset my firewall to get anything going on the internet in the house - aside from things that were running before I started xbmc torrent.
I took a look, and my firewall has an 8064 session limit. What I'm seeing is that I need to limit how many sessions a single client can spin up. The xbmc torrent plugin is insanely chatty, and it was exhausing my session pool!
When things got to their worst, I wasn't able to get DNS moving and when I dug in, I found that what I was seeing was that I couldn't translate the DNS requests from my lan. (In some ways, the firewall I'm using is a gynormous pain in the butt - it'd be nice if I had more than 8k outbound translations - but it makes up for it with truly epic diagnostic info.)
So, it's worth trying to see if there's a way limit the number of connections a client on your network can establish. I'm getting decent performance and still having resources available to other systems using a 512 session limit.
My impression on the FTV rebooting is that once DNS was unavailable, other services I was trying to run were crapping out, taking the OS with them.
XBMCTorrent
athosk said:
I think the solution is simple.....uninstall XBMC and install SPMC (XBMC for Ouya). Alot more stable and dosnt keep the data stuck in memory.
You can get it here
https://github.com/koying/SPMC/releases/download/13.2.1-spmc/spmc-armeabi-v7a_13.2.1.apk
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mejdam said:
the older version of spmc works the best.
load the apk on post 9
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54237038&postcount=9
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I have tried XBMC 13.1 official, BeyondXBMC, XBMC For Ouya and SPMC.
In all of them the plugin had made my XBMC go crazy and eventually reboot the entire Fire TV, on some occasions even corrupted my XBMC Skin settings somehow.
athosk said:
I have personally tried XBMC on all available platforms (Apple TV, Ipad, Windows 8.1, Android minix, Android tv box wih quad core processor and 8core graphics card capable of 4K output). Best one i think is windows.....it would be apple tv but that only gives 720p output.
Now, with Amazon, XBMC torrents somehow data is being saved somewhere and if you look at the screen before launching it, you will notice that the data file keeps getting bigger and at some point that would create a problem as AFT has only 8 GB memory.
With SPMC, I haven't really seen any increaments on the data file size...i wil keep you posted in the next few days if i notice any change
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I've been seeing many of the issues with xbmc torrent that I've heard reported from others - problems downloading, issues where, once a stream gets into enough trouble, the box itself resets, very long initial load times.
I thought I was giving up on it, but I was curious and decided to look into what I was seeing.
Once things get bad enough that the FTV bombs out, I also noticed that I needed to reset my firewall to get anything going on the internet in the house - aside from things that were running before I started xbmc torrent.
I took a look, and my firewall has an 8064 session limit. What I'm seeing is that I need to limit how many sessions a single client can spin up. The xbmc torrent plugin is insanely chatty, and it was exhausing my session pool!
When things got to their worst, I wasn't able to get DNS moving and when I dug in, I found that what I was seeing was that I couldn't translate the DNS requests from my lan. (In some ways, the firewall I'm using is a gynormous pain in the butt - it'd be nice if I had more than 8k outbound translations - but it makes up for it with truly epic diagnostic info.)
So, it's worth trying to see if there's a way limit the number of connections a client on your network can establish. I'm getting decent performance and still having resources available to other systems using a 512 session limit.
My impression on the FTV rebooting is that once DNS was unavailable, other services I was trying to run were crapping out, taking the OS with them.
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This is very interesting!
I have tried various combonations of this plugin (keep torrents, trying to save to SMB share, to Disk on Key, changing File Systems [exFAT,fat32,ntfs] and nothing seemed to work).
I have never thought of it as a network problem...
It works so good on my Windows PC and my Android Mini PC...
Maybe someone can post a way to limit the connections?
Thanks
Yeah maybe you are on the right track. My xbmctorrent also crashes quite oftenly and makes my firetv to reboot. It's very annoying.
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Yeah maybe you are on the right track. My xbmctorrent also crashes quite oftenly and makes my firetv to reboot. It's very annoying.
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Same for me.
Has anyone gotten the stream plugin to work? It's being actively developed and is apparently a fork of the xbmc torrent code.
I'm unable to get it to run, either on ftv or on a tablet, and the diagnostic logging doesn't say much to me.
My firewall supports outbound rules that apply per host, and the values it takes are sess-limit per-src-ip <number>
Probably you can do something similar in one of the open source dd-wrt platforms. There's an interesting discussion of advanced config of those at http://markmaunder.com/2011/01/26/h...-your-room-mate-or-bad-office-colleague-uses/ - but it doesn't cover sessions, but rather total per-address or per-network bandwidth. (Which I've also had set up to deal with aftv chewing up everything it can when I need to have a few hundred low-latency kilobits to reach the office - it's challenging to apply QoS to inbound, simpler to drop everything over a cap that's trying to reach a host. I unset those rules before trying xbmctorrent.)
I have the impression that xbmctorrent, at least, has its own torrent client built in. And although I've seen a configuration in the system / network menus that lets you define a proxy for xbmc to use, I haven't seen a similar config for global torrent settings.
Many standalone torrent clients have a lot of controls over maximum connections, in addition to upload/download speeds, etc.
I haven't looked to see whether a standalone torrent client, or one of the various torrent plugins for xbmc, might be able to give one systemwide control over session initiation, session timeout and session number - applying some settings that xbmctorrent would need to respect, in essence.
I suspect that they'd make it harder to use if they were able to control those things, though - xbmctorrent is doing something pretty unusual: it's polling a swarm of peers (into the thousands) and asking not just 'who has the file' but 'who has this specific piece of the file starting at time X'
It would be nice if those kinds of advanced network settings were available in the configuration of one of these video on demand torrent clients, though
Hi all,
Decided to join here with the hope of getting some better help....
I've been happy with my atv2 running Frodo 12.2 for ages... but recently it has a habit of resetting itself when updating/reading in my media.
So I've decided to take the plunge and get hold of a FireTV, .... Now at the moment it has not been turned on yet, mainly because I know that as soon as I do it's going to auto update to the latest firmware.
It's at this time that i'm looking for some help/info/details....
1: Root is not something I'm that interested in, due to the amount of info knocking about that amazon may have the ability to knock out rooted ftv's. On the other hand the only thing I can think of that root would give me is the ability to have a proper kodi/spmc icon on the main screen. (please tell me if I have this totally wrong).
2: What are the benefits between "ADBfire" and the "Amazon firetv utility app"
3: would anyone say that helix 14.1 is any better than spmc 14.1?
4: and this is a biggie, I have read that reading a nas is a problem for the firetv, can anyone please give guidance on this subject, I have either a seagate nas or a WD "my cloud" available.
5: are there any good detailed guides/run throughs for sideloading xbmc or spmc, from start to finish.
6: I have seen mention of turning on both "ADB Debugging" and "apps from uknown sources" but in some videos I have only seen "ADB Debugging available", is the "apps from uknown sources" something that amazon removed or is this the difference between US and UK models.
7: Does either "ADBfire" or the "Amazon firetv utility app" come with ikonotv app ready to be installed.
Sorry if this is a long winded set of questions, and probably many might be thinking wtf...... but after looking at upteen videos and reading so many webpages with differing methods, it end's up just becoming confusing.
So if anyone out there can throw any help on my requests it would be very much appreciated.
p.s. there's bound to be some items that I've forgot, but I think I've managed to get across the gist of what I'm looking for.
Taken from someone who suffers from constant Tinnitus,..... It's a godsend having someone to ask for help...
I also come from an atv2 back ground and have never looked back. I use a wd cloud with my fire tv with no issues. The most important thing you'll need to do is block updates on your router. This will give you time to explore your root needs. Check out aftvnews.com for guides on everything. I use both fire tv utility's as they both have their strong sides. Both work well.
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Usb debugging is a must. Installing from unknown sources provides a little more convenience. Unknown sources option in Amazon menu is only available in later software. Spmc vs helix is a preference thing but kodi helix 14.1 is my preferred build as it's official kodi(previously xbmc) build. Also check out kodi wiki page for fire tv http://kodi.wiki/view/Amazon_Fire_TV. If you were able to jailbreak and install xbmc(kodi) on atv2 then this will be a breeze.
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1: Root is not something I'm that interested in...
I am running unrooted for the same reasons. I actually use some of the native functions of the FireTV that I do not want to lose. It was always a pain when I had the atv2 as I had to block all updates from Apple. IT became solely a XBMC box. I don't want to back myself into that corner again.
I used adbFire to use the Kodi icon over the ikonoTV app. It shows up in my "Recent" list towards the top of the screen on the FireTV. More on adbFire below.
2: What are the benefits between "ADBfire" and the "Amazon firetv utility app"
I don't know. adbFire has met all of my needs so far.
3: would anyone say that helix 14.1 is any better than spmc 14.1?
I am currently on Kodi 14.0. I have not tried SPMC, nor am I experiencing any problems with Kodi.
4: ...I have read that reading a nas is a problem...
I am using a mycloud. It works fine.
5: are there any good detailed guides...
I really don't remember if there was one that I particularly used. There are a lot our there. Also videos on YouTube.
6: ...is the "apps from uknown sources" something that amazon removed...
I don't know about this one. I'd have to check when I get home.
7: Does either "ADBfire" or the "Amazon firetv utility app" come with ikonotv app ready to be installed.
adbFire does not include ikonoTV. You can just download it from the Amazon app store.
Really appreciate your replies chaps.....
I'm very apprehensive about root, especially after reading these... (mods, I totally understand if these are deleted),
Sorry chaps I had 3 separate links to pages about amazon having the ability to brick/terminate rooted firetv's but due to my lack of posts I couldn't add them, (my mistake).
The one thing I noticed was that all of this information came about in the early part of dec 14, after that time it seemed to quieten down. So was this Amazon's attempt at scare mongering.
On another note this was the Nas that I was going to use, View attachment 3160886 the 3TB version.
at the moment my atv2 is using a 320gb 2.5" HD attached to the usb port on a Linksys e4200 router, using smb to read it. This is okay for only a small number of movies, say 30 to 40 and the same amount in tv shows, I have been using Ember MM to sort out the information to try and relieve the strain on the atv2.
On another note chaps, I read that Amazon have managed to bypass router blocked updates, it seems that even if I do block
amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net
softwareupdates.amazon.com
updates.amazon.com
from reading numerous posts it can still be bypassed and get updated.
I did watch one video where the chap pulled the lan cable just at the right time, thus bypassing the update, but it seems most people have a hell of a lot of trouble with this due to the firetv requiring more information.
The one good thing with the atv2 was the ability to ssh into it, and manually add the addresses via the hosts file.
I've been constantly reading, and looking at video's (seems a lot of them are more for the stick version), to the point where it becomes painful.
I have to say JB iphones/ipads does seem a lot easier. even my boys wii with his attached HD seemed easier, lol.
although if you saw the amount of printed information most people are shocked. When my bro in law asked about his son's Wii, I just said here ya go, hove a look through this 6" thick ringbinder.
I'm just one of those people that really want's to know what each step does so that I get a good understanding of the possible consequences of getting things wrong.
DO you guys use smb to read your WD nas boxes? I've read that the setup procedure is dire, and most end up contacting WD for help. It seem's WD's own setup software may not be that good.
Sorry for the long post but I wanted to explain how I felt about some of the pitfall's.
thanks chaps..
slackbladder... from the UK.
For guides,, aftvnews.com is the best place to go. They also have a getting started with your new FTV guide. They are also the most reliable source of info imho.
Thank's eskay993,
I never knew there was a serial decoder available,.... I often wondered if there was some way of being able to know what type of hardware one had by the serials on the outside of the packaging.
I stuck in my serial and it seems my unit "if the details are correct by the decoder" is unrootable....
Amazon Fire TV Serial Number Decoder
Rootable: No
Likely Software Version: 51.1.4.0
Manufactured: By Foxconn on 10/29/2014
Hardware Revision: 03
Unit Revision: 09
Condition (New or Refurbished): New
Note: This information may not be entirely accurate. Especially with recently manufactured devices.
4412+ 51.1.4.0 No
This would make sense as it was purchased only a week ago from a local PC World store in UK.
Although I am tempted to try the router block anyway just to see if I can get hold of the serial, although probably unlikely as it's going to need to go through it's registration first before I can get to use adbfire.exe.
On a side note chaps, the user's with WD My Cloud units,... did you have to sideload the WD My Cloud app to get these to work, or was you able to get kodi/xbmc to see your Nas units via smb?
Believe it or not, but this is the first time I have read anywhere that someone is actually using these units with xbmc.
Thanks for persevering with me.... you have no idea how helpful you all have been.
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On a side note chaps, the user's with WD My Cloud units,... did you have to sideload the WD My Cloud app to get these to work, or was you able to get kodi/xbmc to see your Nas units via smb?
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You do not need to sideload an app. In Kodi when you are adding a source, you will have multiple options for how you access the myCloud, depending what is enabled on the device. Available options include SMB, NFS, FTP, SFTP & UPnP,
Thank you for the reply thepartpricer,
Is there any particular preference to which would work best, .... I have always used smb, only because that was all there was available to me. (obviously because it was only an attached HD to router).
I have read varying arguments about what to use but they have never been about the WD units, it's mostly others talking about qnaps or synology units.
Some say that only ftp works, (Not looking forward to having to keep typing in username/passwords all the time).
And some have mentioned NFS, but not much information about upnp.
I understand that the WD unit is a upnp device, and from what I have read xbmc/kodi has a upnp server built in. So is this the same as when I use smb to see my attached HD, instead xbmc/kodi simply reads the information from the nas in a different way, but basically the same as smb.
I think I've got that totally wrong somehow.... In my head at 1.30am it kinda makes sense..... lol
At the moment I have 4 Folders, Movies, TV Shows, Music, and Photo's all on the one HD, and I get xbmc to scrape each one as necessary.
But some of the videos I have watched, it's not quite as simple as that when using a Nas, Does one make the same folders all within the Share (Shared folder)...
Thank you for any reply's responses..
slackbladder..
Hi Slackbladder,
Coming form an atv2 myself, I can just say that the Fire TV is better in many ways - Kodi/XBMC searches quicker and seems much more responsive (and runs at 1080p). On atv2 it was getting quite slow at times. Of course, this all relies on Amazon continuing to let folk side-load apps. I live in the UK and my Fire TV was unrootable as well but now I have the Kodi icon on the home page it works as good as I would like. Also, there's apps that can be downloaded making the Fire TV much more inclusive than the atv2. I'm currently using Amazon Prime trial as well and am impressed by the streaming quality of the HD films (as well as getting my orders next day)!
So long as Kodi continues to work than it's the Fire TV I'll be using going forward. However, I do keep my atv2 plugged in because its mirroring/airplay functionality is better with my iPhone than the Fire TV (and it's nice to know I have a backup). Worth pointing out that I've read rumors somewhere that Apple will allow SDK development on atv3 sometime soon, which might allow Kodi to be loaded that way. However, when/if that happens I don't know.
Leedsgreen
Thanks for the reply Leedsgreen,
Are you just net streaming or have you got any type of Nas with your own content?
That would be blinding if Apple allow it,.... Can't see it happening myself, but it would be good,..... Just imagine the price of all those £50 atv3's suddenly shooting up to the £200 mark... lol
Yep, the misses is already thinking about taking out prime, only cos she orders a lot of stuff of there.
Decided to try and get myself a Logitech k400 keyboard, as I've read that they work well with the firetv.... So the guy in PC World has a quick look on his system and goes directly to amazon's U.S. store,... He see's on their site that they retail at $20,... So I said to him "that works out at about 30 notes then"... his reply was, "that's not possible" "we should have that in stock for about £15...." So I asked him to show me one,... he came back with a rather sad look on his face, and said sorry, there marked up at £27.15p... I said "I told you mate, and I don't even work in here", He even tried to get some money off for me, but it was a no go...
you've just got to luv the u.k. NOT.
HI Slackbladder,
Yeah, streaming to Kodi on AFTV via MyBookLive NAS with no problems at all. Just set up the link and it's worked since without issue. Apple TV3 up to £200 lol! Have to sell timing of my ATV2 just right
I've actually bought the Logitech K400r keyboard - overall very good (if blomin' expensive). Needed it to work Sky Go app which is sweet. Very responsive but pinch-to-zoom doesn't work on track pad, which is a bit of a pain (i.e. for angry birds). Turns out this is a common issue for android devices with many keyboards - would be good to know if anyone knows anything different?
Yeah, does annoy me how expensive UK is but I did get my Fire TV for £63 on Amazon promotion (as it should be)!
Leedsgreen
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HI Slackbladder,
Yeah, streaming to Kodi on AFTV via MyBookLive NAS with no problems at all. Just set up the link and it's worked since without issue. Apple TV3 up to £200 lol! Have to sell timing of my ATV2 just right
I've actually bought the Logitech K400r keyboard - overall very good (if blomin' expensive). Needed it to work Sky Go app which is sweet. Very responsive but pinch-to-zoom doesn't work on track pad, which is a bit of a pain (i.e. for angry birds). Turns out this is a common issue for android devices with many keyboards - would be good to know if anyone knows anything different?
Yeah, does annoy me how expensive UK is but I did get my Fire TV for £63 on Amazon promotion (as it should be)!
Leedsgreen
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Hi Leedsgreen,
Sorry for the late reply.... but I've only just seen in the last 24 hours that amazon has returned to there £64 price....
Just wanted to know mate, but are you non-rooted and get the latest firmware update from amazon? I only ask as I've heard it's been causing a few problems, such as units not turning back on after a reboot, and other numerous problems with kodi sideloaded.
Appreciate replies,..... as i'm going to try to set mine up this weekend and wanted to be aware of any pitfalls.
cheers
slackbladder..
Hi Slackbladder,
No probs. I can confirm that my Fire TV is unrooted but is still on 51.1.4.2 (and not the latest 51.1.4.3 firmware). I've managed to stop (so far!) the update by blocking the URL links to software update pages on my router. It's not an exact science so I trolled the internet for every URL to block (starting with those on AFTVnews). So far, my AFTV has stayed at 51.1.4.2 so I can't tell you how things would work on 51.1.4.3
However, it's likely that any you buy in UK will still be on 51.1.4.1 or earlier and so long as you block updates then you should be OK.
Hope this helps,
Leedsgreen
Thanks for the reply Leedsgreen,
I've been doing some more searching and came across these to block updates via router method,
amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net
softwareupdates.amazon.com
updates.amazon.com
atv-ext.amazon.com
amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net
a1910.d.akamai.net
hopefully I shouldn't have any problems with my linksys e4200.
Have you any others blocked as well? (I don't know how true this is but also read that amazon can now bypass blocks and units are being updated).
I read that on first time installation a ftv box will automatically try to get the latest firmware, and if it cannot it will not allow the user to continue with the installation.
This would make sense if a newly purchased unit came with a more recent firmware already installed, if this is true how would one get to continue with the installation?
on a sidenote, did you decide to stick to 5.1.1.4.2 in the hope that root may become available?
I have to admit that it isn't made any easier now that I've read the only way to root is via solder method,.... the last time I did a solder job was on the PS1.... lol
Even worse the wifey likes the idea of "prime" so I've no idea what will happen, even if I can get to keep the unit from updating.
I did have one idea, and that was to buy a second unit and allow it to be updated and then sideload, but then realized that with the blocks in place I'm back to square one.
cheers for any ideas....
slackbladder..
Hi Slackbladder,
First of all, on my router I've got all the URLs blocked that you list as well as:
firs-ta-g7g.amazon.com
bueller-ota
montoya-ota
I think the last two are the starting strings for the update address for both Fire TV and Fire TV Stick. So far I'm still on 51.1.4.2 and think it's working. Amazon Prime runs great at the moment so no probs there.
As to rooting - yes, I'm keen to keep on 51.1.4.2 in case it comes possible but not sure if it ever will. I've also heard 51.1.4.3 now places advert banners (on home page) and leaders on Prime films/shows so I want to avoid that if possible. However, some say that will happen regardless of firmware - I'm not sure. Soldering is only for the Fire TV Stick I believe and not necessary to root the Fire TV. Anyway, on an impulse I've just ordered another Fire TV from the states of eBay. It's advertised as being on 51.1.1.0 (and I've also written to confirm) so is rootable. With postage it's cost me £95. TBH I'm not sure what rooting will give me but I like a bit of a challenge and fancy giving it a go!
Have you checked the guides on AFTV webpage? There's good tutorials there about turning AFTV on for first time and avoiding updates etc and I think you'll get some good info there. I don't have the tech knowledge to really advise but I reckon so long as you trick the system (and unplug the Ethernet cable at just the right time) the Fire TV eventually gives up trying to update and just goes to the next part of the load sequence. (No doubt I'll be itching to know how exactly to do this when my new Fire TV comes and will be asking you how you did it)!!
With best wishes,
Leedsgreen
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Hi Slackbladder,
First of all, on my router I've got all the URLs blocked that you list as well as:
firs-ta-g7g.amazon.com
bueller-ota
montoya-ota
I think the last two are the starting strings for the update address for both Fire TV and Fire TV Stick. So far I'm still on 51.1.4.2 and think it's working. Amazon Prime runs great at the moment so no probs there.
As to rooting - yes, I'm keen to keep on 51.1.4.2 in case it comes possible but not sure if it ever will. I've also heard 51.1.4.3 now places advert banners (on home page) and leaders on Prime films/shows so I want to avoid that if possible. However, some say that will happen regardless of firmware - I'm not sure. Soldering is only for the Fire TV Stick I believe and not necessary to root the Fire TV. Anyway, on an impulse I've just ordered another Fire TV from the states of eBay. It's advertised as being on 51.1.1.0 (and I've also written to confirm) so is rootable. With postage it's cost me £95. TBH I'm not sure what rooting will give me but I like a bit of a challenge and fancy giving it a go!
Have you checked the guides on AFTV webpage? There's good tutorials there about turning AFTV on for first time and avoiding updates etc and I think you'll get some good info there. I don't have the tech knowledge to really advise but I reckon so long as you trick the system (and unplug the Ethernet cable at just the right time) the Fire TV eventually gives up trying to update and just goes to the next part of the load sequence. (No doubt I'll be itching to know how exactly to do this when my new Fire TV comes and will be asking you how you did it)!!
With best wishes,
Leedsgreen
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Cannot believe my luck...... Poxy router....
It seems that amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net is just 1 letter short.... hope i can post an image of what my router software looks like:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
I'm fairly sure this is the only page avaialble to allow blocking....
Yes mate, I've been going through the "How to complete the Fire TV Initial Setup without Updating" at aftvnews (but without actually doing it yet)... if that makes sense...
I thought I would start with the router first, but it looks like that's a no go....
The last thing I want is advertising.....
The only other item is "Parental controls" but if I try this one, one has to choose an object connected to the router, I.E. ATV2, Ipad, or anything else connected.
At first this seemed a possability, but I would have to have the firetv connected and turned on to be seen on this page, and thus probably get updated.
We really should be allowed to block unnecessary updates if we want to.... (I know atv2 pushes them as well). But I used to have a Thompson Freeview box that used to push updates, but it had a backup firmware onboard if anything went titsup, problem is it would eventually add the new FW to the backup, That's how my box ended up dying.... not my fault but the fault of the manufacturer pushing ****ty FW. But they did say for £50 I could send it back and they would re-flash it for me.... ~a~kers.
Hi Slackbladder,
That's just what happened for me on my Huawei rooter - there wasn't quite enough space for the full amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net URL. In the end, I entered it twice: once with amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite and once with edgesuite.net that has seemed to do the trick. For example, I played around with amazon.co.uk and various variations of and it appeared that so long as amazon was in the string somewhere then I couldn't go shopping online! Anyway, hopefully you will get something to work and block those pesky updates!
Leedsgreen
updateYep that's the only one I'm having a problem with.... amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net what I end up with is amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.ne
and no amount of inputting is going to make much difference.
I would have tried the openDNS way, I've found lots of posts/pages mentioning to do it this way but no actual setup procedure.
I'm only guessing that one would choose the "for personal" section, and then "parental control" (get started) and then Sign up now, for "OpenDNS Home" free.
Well I've opened an account with them, and chose the item I would like to block, (my home router) It then gave me a selection of routers, of of which is linksys.
instructions are as follows:
2. Go to the "Setup" menu.
Click on the “Setup” tab.
3. Go to the "Basic Setup" page.
Click the “Basic Setup” page.
4. Enter the first DNS resolver.
Enter 208.67.222.222 in the “Static DNS 1” field.
5. Enter the second DNS resolver.
Enter 208.67.220.220 in the “Static DNS 2” field.
6. Enter the third DNS resolver.
Enter 208.67.222.220 in the “Static DNS 3” field.
that all seems quite easy,.... but how do you block the updates......
Any chaps out there like to help a hopeless individual please...
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Well after much head scratching I finally found out how to block individual addresses,... Had to come down to the very bottom of the page below the list of items most people would pick, such as,.... well you get the gist, there's a load of items one can have opendns to automatically block.
but right at the bottom there a part where one can pick single entry's to add.
so I added each one of these,
amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net
softwareupdates.amazon.com
updates.amazon.com
Don't know if they need a www or http or anything else in front of them I just added them as they are,
I opened portable ffox and tested each one and there blocked. (Don't really know how the firetv is going to get on though, will try it tomorrow).
one choice opendns did give me was to block anything with the word amazon in it, (I thought probably not a good idea).
updateHi Leedsgreen,
I decided to go with just the three :
amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net
softwareupdates.amazon.com
updates.amazon.com
using opendns,..... then took the plunge, plugged in the unit to tv, plugged in the psu, but left out the lan,.... unit booted up and went to a screen asking for my language, (I think there were 3 to choose from, German, english, (and one i cannot remember)... I chose english and it then asked for what wifi i wanted to join.
at this point i plugged in the lan, I held the unit and the very second the light turned white i pulled the lan,.... the unit went straight to the reg screen, i then re-attached the lan and put in reg details.
I am a little optimistic about vermin media though.... I may have a static ip now, but I know from the past that they do change my ip about every 4 to 6 months,.... the only reason I know is because Zonealarm flags it to let me know.
I tried the "Select & Play" buttons to turn off the unit, which initially it did, .... for about 10 seconds, it then turned itself back on and the amazon swish came back on the screen,.... So I did the button again and this time turned it off at the mains.
I have read somewhere that the Logitech K400 will turn off the fire tv, (I guess sleep mode) same as atv2, with Fn+Esc,..... but I'm wondering if it will just do the same as "Select & Play".
I went through some basics, I thought the screensaver was okayish..... some of the pictures had some weird fringing, a kind of shimmering on them,.... So I changed the default res to 1080p at 60hz but made no difference.... Might be better at 50hz?.
I did try to get a Logitech bluetooth keyboard that I use with an ipad to use with the ftv but the ftv could not see it,.... so it may be down to getting a k400.
My next step is to sideload kodi, I'm keeping everything croosed that it doesn't go tits up. I'm also thinking about getting some type of hdmi multi port thing, so I can keep my atv2 going over wifi, but most I have looked at don't live up to the hype... 5 good reviews 50 bad... lol
Honestly I cannot believe my luck.... Firmware that I am holding onto is 51.1.4.0_user_51400520
Seems like no kodi for me then.... Is it true that kodi is not compatible with this version?
update and i bet i'll get the dreaded banner ads..
Hi Slackbladder,
Glad that Fire TV turned on OK and you managed to block updates. However, sorry to hear that's it's on 51.1.4.0_user_51400520. I didn't realise there is an issue with it and Kodi (as a quick search on the internet says). One thing to check is if the annoying advert banner does come with 51.1.4.3 or to all Fire TV's regardless of firmware? I've heard conflicting messages on this. Maybe blocking the URL update sites also blocks the adverts, maybe not?
I have the Logitech K400 keyboard that does work well (but more expense of course). I also recently bought an HDMI switcher off Amazon. I bought one without a remote control (have too many of those already!) and it has worked well so far.
Anyway, let us know if you manage to get Kodi to work on 51.1.4.0 and/or if you update to latest firmware if the ad banner pops up. Fingers crossed!
Leedsgreen
Has anyone actually gotten the FIOS Mobile app installed and working on a fire tv (or preferably stick)? I want a portable device so that I can watch my dvr when on the road. The current version (5.2) won't allow access to shows, the previous version (5.0) won't connect, and the modified version to avoid root didn't work either. I thought @aftvnews might have a post about it, but nothing there. I can't find any solutions through Google either. Anyone have anything?
If anyone cares, the only way to run FIOS Mobile app is to unroot my stick. Root wasn't really necessary, so I did it an it's working now. Stupid Verizon appears to be blocking DVR access if it detects root, which is annoying.
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If anyone cares, the only way to run FIOS Mobile app is to unroot my stick. Root wasn't really necessary, so I did it an it's working now. Stupid Verizon appears to be blocking DVR access if it detects root, which is annoying.
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How well does the FiOS Mobile app work on the FireTV? I've considered it, but figure it would be a pain since the app is designed for phones and not devices like FireTV which needs a remote.
RedBullet said:
How well does the FiOS Mobile app work on the FireTV? I've considered it, but figure it would be a pain since the app is designed for phones and not devices like FireTV which needs a remote.
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It works poorly at best, or it did last I checked. That was months ago, and VZ has pushed out a mandatory app update that renders it unusable unless you update. I should try it again though! Also a mouse was required, or an app that turns your remote into a mouse. And it would randomly force close while watching DVR. So really not worth it...
Coincidentally, I was just playing around with the FiOS Mobile app on my FireTV yesterday, since I'm interested in finding a way to stream my FiOS TV channels to my FireTV box in my computer room. I thought I'd share my experience with everyone here.
It's true that with the latest version of the OS and app, it just says it can't run without Google Play Services.
-However-
I side-loaded the v5.8 FiOS Mobile app, signed into my FiOS account, and what do you know, it worked*!
* Ahem. Well, it mostly, sorta works.
First, the app was designed for a touch screen, not the FireTV w/remote. So scrolling means using a BT keyboard w/touch pad, and holding down the "left mouse button" while swiping up on the touch pad. Bit of a pain, but at least I could scroll through the live TV channel list.
Second, not all the live TV channels have the "watch now" button. Remember, this app was primarily meant to be able to control your FiOS DVR, and so it's focus is on being able to get the DVR to record shows.
Third, streaming a live TV channel was...interesting. The video quality starts out very blocky, low-res. But after a few seconds it starts to gradually improve, until it eventually matches what you would normally see via a real decoder box. The HD channels actually looked very good, given a minute to "ramp up". (Oh, and I think I changed the video quality settings to the highest in the app - that may have helped.)
Fourth (and this is the most mysterious part), after some minutes playing around with the app, my network started to have...problems. First the FireTV suddenly said it couldn't access the network (it was attached via a wired ethernet cable). Then the web browser on my PC couldn't access the internet (some sort of DNS issue). I unplugged the power on the FireTV and within seconds my PC browser was all fine again. As a software engineer, I naturally decided to re-test just to see if it would happen again, which it did. Eventually I gave up and uninstalled the FiOS Mobile app.
<sigh>
I'm really hoping that Verizon will release something similar for Android boxes like some other cable systems have done. (e.g. DirecTV Now!) Wouldn't that be nice?
software_samurai said:
Coincidentally, I was just playing around with the FiOS Mobile app on my FireTV yesterday, since I'm interested in finding a way to stream my FiOS TV channels to my FireTV box in my computer room. I thought I'd share my experience with everyone here.
It's true that with the latest version of the OS and app, it just says it can't run without Google Play Services.
-However-
I side-loaded the v5.8 FiOS Mobile app, signed into my FiOS account, and what do you know, it worked*!
* Ahem. Well, it mostly, sorta works.
First, the app was designed for a touch screen, not the FireTV w/remote. So scrolling means using a BT keyboard w/touch pad, and holding down the "left mouse button" while swiping up on the touch pad. Bit of a pain, but at least I could scroll through the live TV channel list.
Second, not all the live TV channels have the "watch now" button. Remember, this app was primarily meant to be able to control your FiOS DVR, and so it's focus is on being able to get the DVR to record shows.
Third, streaming a live TV channel was...interesting. The video quality starts out very blocky, low-res. But after a few seconds it starts to gradually improve, until it eventually matches what you would normally see via a real decoder box. The HD channels actually looked very good, given a minute to "ramp up". (Oh, and I think I changed the video quality settings to the highest in the app - that may have helped.)
Fourth (and this is the most mysterious part), after some minutes playing around with the app, my network started to have...problems. First the FireTV suddenly said it couldn't access the network (it was attached via a wired ethernet cable). Then the web browser on my PC couldn't access the internet (some sort of DNS issue). I unplugged the power on the FireTV and within seconds my PC browser was all fine again. As a software engineer, I naturally decided to re-test just to see if it would happen again, which it did. Eventually I gave up and uninstalled the FiOS Mobile app.
<sigh>
I'm really hoping that Verizon will release something similar for Android boxes like some other cable systems have done. (e.g. DirecTV Now!) Wouldn't that be nice?
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You bumped a 5mo old thread! But I'm OP so here goes...
The app is up to version 5.9 now but was working for me before. Apart from the logistical issues already mentioned, out should play fine. I have to test out 5.9
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You bumped a 5mo old thread! But I'm OP so here goes...
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I know, I know. But if I had started a new thread discussing the exact same thing, someone would have undoubtedly taken me to task for duplicating an already existing thread.
ldeveraux said:
The app is up to version 5.9 now but was working for me before. Apart from the logistical issues already mentioned, out should play fine. I have to test out 5.9
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Please do, and let me know if it works for you without Google Play Services. I didn't feel like rooting it and installing it just to get one app to run.
What worried me so much about v5.8 was how it somehow wrecked my home's network somehow. I suspect the app started doing hundreds of DNS lookups which swamped my internet gateway box.
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I know, I know. But if I had started a new thread discussing the exact same thing, someone would have undoubtedly taken me to task for duplicating an already existing thread.
Please do, and let me know if it works for you without Google Play Services. I didn't feel like rooting it and installing it just to get one app to run.
What worried me so much about v5.8 was how it somehow wrecked my home's network somehow. I suspect the app started doing hundreds of DNS lookups which swamped my internet gateway box.
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5.9 seems to work on my stick. I do have google play services installed on there, but I don't think it's working. The stick is on the newest firmware, so it's definitely not rooted. I don't think you can root on this firmware anyway. Regardless, I was able to watch FIOS on an unrooted stick..
I tried to install Google Play Services from this link:
https://flixed.io/install-google-play-fire-tv-stick/
Got it working with Alexa-enabled stick
Side loaded it onto new non-rooted stick that has alexa remote - not the latest 4K stick.
Followed multiple google hits to get it done. It kept wanting google play services, so i had to side load and start the right google play apks.
Am using an ethernet adapter to get best picture. Wifi was ok but panning shots jumped a bit too much for me.
Lastly, got an OTG cable for a Logitech dongle for a keyboard mouse that works great. Recognized at boot - no config. Mouse mandatory for fios app, keboard arrow & enter key drives stick. Reasonably spouse friendly. Lost my remote - nay not matter now!
I'm posting this because i couldn't find a recent confirmation that fios app works on current fire stick.
Good luck.
Two things for root users to try: There are two XPosed apps you should install. One hides your root status and the other emulates Google Play Services.
I also want to state that I got the latest version of Verizon FiOS Mobile working on a FireTV stick without root. First, I enabled Apps from Unknown Sources and ADB Debugging under Settings-Developer Options. It seems like the FiOS Mobile app requires the Google Play store to be installed, so I found a site with instructions on how to install it and completed that task. I needed to download and install four .apk files. Strangely, I can't seem to launch the Google Play Store on my stick, but the FiOS Mobile app no longer complains that it's missing.. Next, I installed the FiOS Mobile app via APPS2FIRE. That's all I needed to do to get the FiOS Moble app running on my stick.
As another poster noted, the FiOS Mobile app was designed to be used on a touch device, such as a smartphone or tablet. Because of this, you cannot easily navigate the app and do what you want it to do easily using the Fire Stick remote. Someone recommended connecting a bluetooth keyboard and I think that's probably a good suggestion. Instead, I downloaded an app called Mouse Toggle which, when activated, provides a cursor on the screen that you can move around with the Fire Stick remote. I can now select items and enter channel numbers when I previously couldn't do so. It's not a perfect solution, but it gets the job done.
- LKNY
I've been using xda forums for a while now but never registered, now inevitably I have a problem.
Yesterday was asked by a friend if i could put Kodi on a firestick, never done it before but I thought what the hell I'll give it a go, read around and all easy enough. Now I have Kodi installed I've put TVaddons on there and used that to get all the usual stuff, Exodus, Phoenix, SALTS etc they work fine i.e. install and load fine all menus are there but non of them can find any sources, exodus wont even bring up TV or movie lists. like i said I've never done this before but I have Kodi working fine on my computer so thought it wouldn't be any different. I've tried clearing caches and sources, uninstalled reinstalled, downloaded exodus zip file just incase tvaddons was the problem and nothing I'm at a loose end. Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated.
Side note something I may be able to help with, i read recently (on here i think) that the fire stick will auto update on initial setup to the latest OS and to avoid this so you can root or for whatever reason, rather than plugging the stick into the provided power adaptor use one you have laying around or your computer, they don't provide enough power for the stick to be able to update. Hope that helps someone out there.
Are you sure you're connected to internet?
carpenter940 said:
Are you sure you're connected to internet?
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yes I'm definitely connected to the internet haha.
just got a new fire stick and stopped the auto updates just in case it was that but still the addons don't seem to want to work my stick now running OS 5.0.5.1
everything installs fine, internet connections fine, addons go on fine they just dont work fine I'm at a loss
I installed Kodi for the first time the other day. Never used it before, still setting up. But I noticed the first few add ons I tried failed, like Exodus, All In One, DNA TV. None of them work. Figured it was me since I am new to Kodi. I figured it would be easy as installing and using them. Found TV guide. Tried 30 TV stations and none came on. I have a bunch to learn with Kodi. I have stock aftv1, lan connection. So its not just you.
I honestly don't know what was wrong with its but after what felt like a million uninstalls and re-installs i now have 2 working fire sticks with kodi running fine, don't think i will ever get to the bottom of the problem i was having the only thing i can suggest to anyone having similar issues is persistence, just keep reinstalling and eventually it seems to work, the only thing i can possibly think of is my internet connection has been playing up recently so maybe during the set up it disconnected and reconnected without me even noticing and messed up the setup other than that i have no idea.
Basically, Kodi isn't an organization which offers hardware at any level. It is an open source program or project, a group of volunteers who are committed to building a cool video player for various computers and mobile phones on such a large number of stages. It is basically planned to be utilized for video documents put away on your PC. It additionally empowers you to utilize additional items; these are straightforward contents which give you access to a wide range of content online. There are multiple solutions to fix this error.
Solution 1: Updating Graphics Card Drivers and installing DirectX.
Solution 2: Tweaking Kodi itself.
Solution 3: Installing Add-ons manually instead of Builds.
Solution 4: Clearing add-on cache. Solution 5: Using a VPN.
Here is the source link https://appuals.com/fix-kodi-not-working/ to follow and get the detail of each solution.
Sorry if I've posted this in the wrong section. I'm looking to set up a firestick I've just purchased to allow my mum to watch tv and movies on it she is very much behind the times with technology and even the thought of using a mobile phone worries her.
So far with stick I've tried to make it as easy as possible for her to use and the easiest way I imagined would be the default amazon account with the stick and paying for the prime service but this is a little too confusing for her as so far she has clicked tv shows and movies that have taken her interest and unknowingly selected signing up for starszplay, Netflix and other things that aren't included in the prime account but still continue to flash up as a choice... I've even select in app purcheses off and it has still allowed her to sign up to different packs including itv hub ( when did this become costly ? its free on windows) anyways I've managed to turn them all off again but she is afraid to select anything incase it involves a subscription and isn't free with the prime account.
I then opted to try and remove the Amazon set up completely by using a different launcher and installing free movie/tv apps like teatv or stremio however this isn't great either... the launcher doesn't startup as the default launcher.
I Also have a VPN that would be perfect if I continued down the streaming free apps however even when I set it to have the killswitch and to load at boot... I've noticed im still manually having to go in and start it up and at times it has failed to load an I.P due to the killswitch.
And even using these free apps she is unsure of what streat to select etc... sometimes there will be links showing up for a show that wasn't selected etc...
So basically im looking to bypass the amazon launcher and just have either a plain launcher with only the apps I've installed for her to use and seek movies and shows.. something very basic that will show just movies and tv shows to select and continue watching section... and will auto find the best link and play the correct file similar to ones that pick the 1080p file first and then just loads.
And also have the vpn up and running from boot with no worry of it disconnecting or not running while streaming something.
Just whatever you guys can suggest, she is very much a novice and even with me showing her I don't think she will get until she plays around with it for a while... but she wont do this is if she is worrying about clicking wrong things or purchasing things etc.
How would you setup a Firestick for someone that is new to it just so they could watch movies and shows and be able to resume things they are enjoying with ease.
Thanks for any help.
Kodi with a simple skin. You can customize the skins in their own options even further to remove menu items.