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Developer support?

I've read a news article on Pulse that this phone won't have much developer support due to Samsung keeping some files locked out for developer support, and that Cyanogenmod won't be developing on this phone due to that.
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I don't understand the situation fully, but it sounds like Samsung has committed to releasing the source, so I am hoping that means it will get Cyanogenmod and good dev support.
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/article...nos-4-series-source-code-by-end-of-2012-r1203

acey_zero said:
I don't understand the situation fully, but it sounds like Samsung has committed to releasing the source, so I am hoping that means it will get Cyanogenmod and good dev support.
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/article...nos-4-series-source-code-by-end-of-2012-r1203
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Interesting..hate Touchwiz but it does have some nice features.
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This might be a dumb question, I've just begun researching this but it concerns development. I'm considering jumping from my Verizon contract to AT&T for this phone, based on the virtual certainty that the Verizon version will have a locked bootloader. Are AT&T phones locked on a case by case basis, or is it already a given that this phone will release with devs able to mess with it? I don't want to play a waiting game like the S3 on Verizon despite their huge number of users.

From my understanding there will be NO cm support on any further samsung devices..But then I seen this? so who knows...lol
http://www.theandroidsoul.com/cyanogenmod-10-cm10-for-galaxy-note-2-development-starts/

wish777 said:
From my understanding there will be NO cm support on any further samsung devices..But then I seen this? so who knows...lol
http://www.theandroidsoul.com/cyanogenmod-10-cm10-for-galaxy-note-2-development-starts/
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Pretty sure that is a port, not the actual CM team doing the work

i know cm10 is cool but i dont understand why people would want this on the note 2 since all the features that make the note 2 are TW related but thats just me.

BLOWNCO said:
i know cm10 is cool but i dont understand why people would want this on the note 2 since all the features that make the note 2 are TW related but thats just me.
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Personally I agree, but this is xda and people will want to mod. I'll be rooting, but I doubt I'll flash any custom ROM's.

My order is in and I agree,:laugh:
UNLESS...the many features including the S Pen etc. are ported to new ROMS I don't think I'll flash...
BTW ...anyone know of a cure for ORD

gtalum said:
Personally I agree, but this is xda and people will want to mod. I'll be rooting, but I doubt I'll flash any custom ROM's.
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oh i will be doing the same ill flash customs roms just TW ones as i want to keep the features like spen and all that jazz.
on older devices cm was awesome cause it was fast but now as the phones are more powerful then ever i dont see a need to run them. just me tho

Same. I don't think I'll be flashing any Non-TW ROM on the Note 2. I've been flashing AOKP and CM10 on the Note 1 so I've been missing the TW S-Pen features.

This is why im glad i got the N7100 model, just sayin

wish777 said:
From my understanding there will be NO cm support on any further samsung devices..But then I seen this? so who knows...lol
http://www.theandroidsoul.com/cyanogenmod-10-cm10-for-galaxy-note-2-development-starts/
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Pretty much all I know is what I read on rootzwiki, but I thought that they were not going to drop all Samsung devices, but only the ones that used Exynos CPU's due to inadequate source or documentation or something. But then I think Samsung has committed to releasing this, so hopefully that means Cyanogenmod will not drop them anymore, but I haven't heard anything official.
links:
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/article...veloper-support-for-exynos-based-phones-r1151
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/article...exynos-code-or-is-this-another-pr-stunt-r1176
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/article...nos-4-series-source-code-by-end-of-2012-r1203
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BLOWNCO said:
i know cm10 is cool but i dont understand why people would want this on the note 2 since all the features that make the note 2 are TW related but thats just me.
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I have to admit a lot of the features they added do seem genuinely useful, but I still think I would give them up for Cyanogenmod.
It is my understanding (from what I have read about the Note 1, etc) that android natively supports stylus input since ICS, and so it should be able to still work in Cyanogenmod. It is just that there are very few apps that really make use of it besides the ones from Samsung, Hopefully this will improve over time though.

I am with you guys, I personally will root the device and debloat it for now... But stock rom right now seems to be very nice..lol...
We will have alot of great roms coming out either way with or without cm support. I know a couple devolpers coming here shortly and there work is awesome.

There will be plenty of support. I will be working on a few things myself once I get the device. I helped start the CM development in the original note.
And the reason why we run AOSP vs all the craptastic useless stuff Samsung adds its because I personally like vanilla Google. Samsung changes to much. Android in stock form is beautiful. Just my opinion not trying to start a flame war.
If I run stock it will be stripped down deodexed and debloated likke a mofo.
If I decode to build an device tree and attempt to build CM I will. With the open support from Samsung it won't be difficult.

I know of a few developers coming this way also we will have plenty of support I'm sure

antiochasylum said:
There will be plenty of support. I will be working on a few things myself once I get the device. I helped start the CM development in the original note.
And the reason why we run AOSP vs all the craptastic useless stuff Samsung adds its because I personally like vanilla Google. Samsung changes to much. Android in stock form is beautiful. Just my opinion not trying to start a flame war.
If I run stock it will be stripped down deodexed and debloated likke a mofo.
If I decode to build an device tree and attempt to build CM I will. With the open support from Samsung it won't be difficult.
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Normally I agree, and my S3 i definitely agree. But this phone is built around samsungs incorporation of the s-pen and related features. If AOKP roms ignore the s-pen, theyre useless to me.. why even get this phone then?
I think the most popular roms on this phone will be stock based, debloated and feature rich roms, much like Ariel rom for the ATT Galaxy s3 out now.

BLOWNCO said:
i know cm10 is cool but i dont understand why people would want this on the note 2 since all the features that make the note 2 are TW related but thats just me.
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Touchwiz is hideous.
Don't get me wrong, Samsung has done some great things with the multitask and S-pen, but AOSP Jellybean makes Touchwiz look like a featurephone UI from 2003.

xeper said:
Touchwiz is hideous.
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Which aspects of touchwiz (beyond the launcher, which is easily replaced) are hideous?

theraker007 said:
Normally I agree, and my S3 i definitely agree. But this phone is built around samsungs incorporation of the s-pen and related features. If AOKP roms ignore the s-pen, theyre useless to me.. why even get this phone then?
I think the most popular roms on this phone will be stock based, debloated and feature rich roms, much like Ariel rom for the ATT Galaxy s3 out now.
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This is exactly how I feel about it. I will root it, but I'm going to take my time about flashing a custom ROM. I want the full functionality of that stylus as designed - as an old Palm girl, this is one of the main reasons I'm getting the Note 2. That plus the excellent GPS - coming from a woefully awful Captivate GPS. I had a Garmin iQue 3600, the Palm OS GPS unit, and am frankly spoiled by that integration. If only Garmin hadn't given up like that.....

[Q] Will the Note II get an official CM10?

Hello there peeps, I'm an X Note I user, really enjoyed the experience until my phone got broke heh! And then I bought an S3, my current phone. Im currently running CM10 on my S3, runs good, but because of the close sourcing of the Exynos processor, its still not THAT smooth as it should be. But my taste always is a bigger screen, so I want to get back a Note II. I highly DOUBT that Im ever gonna use Touchwiz....
So the question is, will the Note II get a hands on from Teamhacksung? And we'll get an official support from CM10?
Besides, Samsung has finally decided to give devs some documentation of its Exynos4 source !
Replies would be appreciated as I'm considering to buy the Note in few days, still not so sure! Hope you can help

The current CM team isn't touching any future exynos devices besides the S3 and the Tab if im correct. But if someone new want to come in and start developing for the Note 2 than it would be possible, which we already have a few members here working on CM10 for the note 2 and made some progress. CM10 in the works
Don't expect any official support for CM tho on the Note2..
Running a AOSP build just goes against everything the Note 2 was meant for

YoungAceAtlanta said:
The current CM team isn't touching any future exynos devices besides the S3 and the Tab if im correct. But if someone new want to come in and start developing for the Note 2 than it would be possible, which we already have a few members here working on CM10 for the note 2 and made some progress. CM10 in the works
Don't expect any official support for CM tho on the Note2..
Running a AOSP build just goes against everything the Note 2 was meant for
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Then why did we have a CM10 support for the Note 1 ? Same idea, the whole idea about the Note was with the pen. And yet, the Note I got an official CM10. I dont care about the pen features, Im after a gorgeous 5.5 inch screen actually...and run AOSP rom on it. I can't bare touchwiz.

Well who cares?

jujuburi said:
Well who cares?
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Those who have tried AOSP roms and figured out that it beats Samsung's Touchwiz ROMS ? Easily and clearly. Forget about the feature Sammy plug in which are awesome for intance. But when it comes to performance and UI ? The Vanilla pure Android experience is the best one out there....

Ensifolk said:
Then why did we have a CM10 support for the Note 1 ? Same idea, the whole idea about the Note was with the pen. And yet, the Note I got an official CM10. I dont care about the pen features, Im after a gorgeous 5.5 inch screen actually...and run AOSP rom on it. I can't bare touchwiz.
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because it uses a older processor than the new Note 2 and GS3 (Exynos 4210) we use Exynos 4412, the GS2 even have problems with CM and other aosp roms. (Didn't some of your roms the menu button didnt work?)
Also the US version of the Note 1 came with a snapdragon processor..
Samsung just don't want to release the right docs for the Exynos line. you can build a AOSP rom for the note 2 it just would be a a$$ to get everything fully working with out the sources you need.

Reb0rn and simone are both working on an unofficial CM10 for the note 2, and I believe Entropy said if they get it working and all their gerrit **** is OK there's no reason for it not to be made official with them as the maintainers.
I may be wrong about that last bit though, it's best to just go read that thread.

I believe cm10 is a downgrade from the stock software. Multitasking for example separates this phone from the rest. Never thought that I'll say a phone out of the box better suits my needs than cm10, aokp, or paranoid. Sorry
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Ensifolk said:
Those who have tried AOSP roms and figured out that it beats Samsung's Touchwiz ROMS ? Easily and clearly. Forget about the feature Sammy plug in which are awesome for intance. But when it comes to performance and UI ? The Vanilla pure Android experience is the best one out there....
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I never comment without trying something. Well these CM stuffs are half baked thingy, which I obviously don't want.
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[Q] Touchwiz port

so i was just wondering is there going to be any touchwiz port from galaxy s4/s3 to hox?
, and i am not asking for a cm rom with mrmadd theme or a launcher, but an solid touchwiz port.
and its not like why would i want a touchwiz port or that it sucks , but its quite the contrary why shouldnt we have it
i would totaly enjoy it and i know many of us would ..

fuad541 said:
so i was just wondering is there going to be any touchwiz port from galaxy s4/s3 to hox?
, and i am not asking for a cm rom with mrmadd theme or a launcher, but an solid touchwiz port.
and its not like why would i want a touchwiz port or that it sucks , but its quite the contrary why shouldnt we have it
i would totaly enjoy it and i know many of us would ..
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My brother has owned a S3 device at the time I owned my One x . so here couple of points I would like to share
1-My brother always liked the Sense ROMs and disliked the touchwizy thing ,so people witth sense phones (HTC) are always lucky to have sense experience and not the wizzytouch thing
2-porting a touchwiz isnt that hard in my opinion , but porting to our device here has no need because we already have the goodness of the best of 2 worlds the Sense part which i consider to be the best Interface we had from all phone companies and AOSP part which has been ported successfully to our device

fuad541 said:
so i was just wondering is there going to be any touchwiz port from galaxy s4/s3 to hox?
, and i am not asking for a cm rom with mrmadd theme or a launcher, but an solid touchwiz port.
and its not like why would i want a touchwiz port or that it sucks , but its quite the contrary why shouldnt we have it
i would totaly enjoy it and i know many of us would ..
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No.
NO Samsung device has the Tegra chipset, and unlike many Android open-source UI's the likes of Sense and Touchwiz are proprietary with no access to source from which to even base a port.

Hmm so that means no touchwiz port will ever be availible on our devices thats sad , and i know that sense is realy on a whole better level than touchwiz but i just kinda thought that i might some time enjoy a funny-like-toy rom to play with in free time anyway thanks guys for your answers.
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[Q] Stock Android + S-pen ROM for Gnote 3?

I may be way out of line here and if so I apologize - however coming from the Galaxy Nexus to the Galaxy Note 3 I'm mostly pretty happy except with certain aspects of Samsungs software stupidity that I can't seem to get rid of. I've been using the GEL and its amazing but I want to get back to "stock android" as much as possible. This means getting rid of the assnine Gingerbread-era settings menus, dialers, people app and other apps that look like they were plucked from my Droid X from 3 years ago.
Am I being unreasonable when I look at the available ROM's on the T-mo section and see that there aren't any kitkat ROMs available yet? Is there a development hurdle for the Galaxy devices that makes it impossible to make a AOSP-based ROM? (As if it needs to be said, I'm not a developer).
I love the hardware and the S-pen functionality (why I bought it), but I need to rid myself of the 90's era UI that samsung has foisted on us. Am I missing a ROM out there that can fulfill my needs?

I don't think there is anything aosp that can offer what tw had to offer when it comes to s pen functionality.
I had the note 2 before this and was running paranoid ROM which didn't have the cool s pen features.
What I've used the most is the pen window feature. Taking a quick note or using the calc has been handy.
Grande Note 3

Defenestratus said:
I may be way out of line here and if so I apologize - however coming from the Galaxy Nexus to the Galaxy Note 3 I'm mostly pretty happy except with certain aspects of Samsungs software stupidity that I can't seem to get rid of. I've been using the GEL and its amazing but I want to get back to "stock android" as much as possible. This means getting rid of the assnine Gingerbread-era settings menus, dialers, people app and other apps that look like they were plucked from my Droid X from 3 years ago.
Am I being unreasonable when I look at the available ROM's on the T-mo section and see that there aren't any kitkat ROMs available yet? Is there a development hurdle for the Galaxy devices that makes it impossible to make a AOSP-based ROM? (As if it needs to be said, I'm not a developer).
I love the hardware and the S-pen functionality (why I bought it), but I need to rid myself of the 90's era UI that samsung has foisted on us. Am I missing a ROM out there that can fulfill my needs?
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We all feel your pain brother.
I have owned 3 Samsung Galaxy devices before this one and all have had AOSP/AOKP/CM10.2
For some reason or another, a developer not made a bare bone AOSP rom.
Which we all want.
Believe me when I say, we all know touchwiz is getting annoying.
My current setup is Stock Deodexed Debloated with the AOSP theme found in the "Themes and Apps" section, also with the Kit Kat Launcher.
I downloaded all of the Nexus 5 apps (Calendar, Camera, Gallery, Clock, etc. And deleted the Touchwiz ones.
This is as close as we can get for now .
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[Q] Kitkat on TouchWiz

Need Rom Touch Wiz based Kitkat or 4.3 :/
Possible?

Not possible... if you can't live without dual SIM and still want the Kitkat goodies, you can always download Google's apps on Play Store and apply some cosmetic mods to make your stock ROM feels a lot like Kitkat.

naufalhadyan said:
Not possible... if you can't live without dual SIM and still want the Kitkat goodies, you can always download Google's apps on Play Store and apply some cosmetic mods to make your stock ROM feels a lot like Kitkat.
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Its possible actually..but no devs today i think will take interest to develop/port the whole OEM...it will not just be buggy..but also alot of time consuming..as all it needed is a base rom and port rom of same android versions (we got 4.4.2 cm11 as base already),there is a mere possibility to do this..
But i dont think anyone will do that mahn..
#reference from thread "port OEM's of same android version", many cases shows successful results (at least OP do)....
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raghavsharmaxda said:
Its possible actually..but no devs today i think will take interest to develop/port the whole OEM...it will not just be buggy..but also alot of time consuming..as all it needed is a base rom and port rom of same android versions (we got 4.4.2 cm11 as base already),there is a mere possibility to do this..
But i dont think anyone will do that mahn..
#reference from thread "port OEM's of same android version", many cases shows successful results (at least OP do)....
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Dude he was talking about "Touchwiz-based" Kitkat. Basically a CM11 on stock ROM. This is like wearing shoes on your head. Not possible.
But what you're talking about is "Kitkat-based" Touchwiz, which is possible but not feasible due to massive amount of work needed to convert the whole Touchwiz framework to Android 4.4 API...
Even Samsung itself (which is a giant company with hundreds if not thousands of coders) still need 3 months to port Note 3 Touchwiz to Kitkat... with our manpower here (about 4 active developers) this will take forever..

naufalhadyan said:
Dude he was talking about "Touchwiz-based" Kitkat. Basically a CM11 on stock ROM. This is like wearing shoes on your head. Not possible.
But what you're talking about is "Kitkat-based" Touchwiz, which is possible but not feasible due to massive amount of work needed to convert the whole Touchwiz framework to Android 4.4 API...
Even Samsung itself (which is a giant company with hundreds if not thousands of coders) still need 3 months to port Note 3 Touchwiz to Kitkat... with our manpower here (about 4 active developers) this will take forever..
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His words are still confusing brother .. Touchwiz based kitkat ..KitKat which is based on tw...
Aaaahhh..confused like hell ..
Thanks for clear bro..as always u do
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well no but if you want a rom (4.4.2) with dual sim i sugest to you pawitp's cm 11 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2563557) its the only one with 4.4.2 others like gennxt are just the official rom with extra features