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Dear Moderators,
Please talk with all devs regarding last Mike's post in thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1562603
Below You can find post:
" Just to be clear - my last post was not about users but about competition atmosphere, not sharing, hiding RUUs for even final, release-keys RUUs. If devs are hiding something that is tagged as "final" and "release-keys" and it will be published by htc any day, that means we are in a rats race. I'm against not sharing of "test-keys" software, but hiding "release-keys" one is way too much I can stand. No names here, no offence to anyone, no direct speech to anyone. xda rules allows that behavior so it's legal.
This game is not fair play."
I fully agree with him. Now it's lika RATS RACE
I agree that the hiding of release keys and final builds is unfair. They're from HTC and thus should be available to everyone, allowing the community to grow and for the modding community to prosper. The fact that such items of high importance are hidden from other developers (when they should be available to everyone) is deplorable.
[Off-topic: Still not sure why the thread needed to be closed. Does this mean ARHD is dead on the One X, or is it closed to simply cease discussion within the thread? If ARHD is dead, what's a worthy equivalent?]
Absolutely elmo, it's back to stock for me if Mike stops developing. In fact I've had enough of xda. On the whole it's a helpful community but there is way too much bickering going on, are we not adults here?
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
*elmo* said:
Dear Moderators,
Please talk with all devs regarding last Mike's post in thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1562603
Below You can find post:
" Just to be clear - my last post was not about users but about competition atmosphere, not sharing, hiding RUUs for even final, release-keys RUUs. If devs are hiding something that is tagged as "final" and "release-keys" and it will be published by htc any day, that means we are in a rats race. I'm against not sharing of "test-keys" software, but hiding "release-keys" one is way too much I can stand. No names here, no offence to anyone, no direct speech to anyone. xda rules allows that behavior so it's legal.
This game is not fair play."
I fully agree with him. Now it's lika RATS RACE
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It's a shame, the community would be nothing without the sharing of files, ideas and knowledge.
But although unfair it is though, the individuals prerogative.
I just feel it would be a shame if everyone acted acting like this as nothing would ever be achieved or at the very least things would get slowed down for all. Who cares who's first? Ultimately we all choose which developers ROMs, MODS, etc etc we end up using anyhow.
Very little to being first in the long run but maybe a little Kudos.
Couldn't agree more with y'all.
Can someone clear up whats going on?
Is mike stopping his development?
Wilks3y said:
Can someone clear up whats going on?
Is mike stopping his development?
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For HOX possibly yes.
I quote...
If one x developement forum will still continue to be like it is now there will be no more arhd for one x. Sorry to say that, i have to face unfair and agressive competition in my real life, not going to waste my nerves in virtual world too
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Plus his ARHD thread has been closed :crying:
All of that work on that thread and good people helping others and some selfish lot out there decide that they want to monopolize something that should be given away readily to help the community!
(Shouldn't be saying this) Want to know who it was that denied Mike the data he needs, so that we can boycott that thread and plead with him to help Mike out)
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[Off-topic: Still not sure why the thread needed to be closed. Does this mean ARHD is dead on the One X, or is it closed to simply cease discussion within the thread? If ARHD is dead, what's a worthy equivalent?]
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Too bad Mike1986 just leaves all ARHD users behind like this!
He's not reliable to me anymore...This is not a fight to be fought by putting the users in the frontline.
The king is dead. Long live the king! Time to move on.
So, what's the next best thing available if it's a HOX Sense-rom?
I understand his frustration to be honest, although in this case I don't see who he is referring to, not seen the final JB WWE RUU anywhere yet.
The minute it appears on another ROM this thread will be full of demands for a release, with other ROM authors saying their ROM can't be modified for 4 days or so, which I pretty sure isn't enforced?
I do remember a discussion when Mike refused to share something, it was the Sensation time.
Sent from my HTC One X+
yes its true even in Desire HD days mike did play this game as well
and this rats game should be banned from XDA
ill PM mike lets hope his inbox is not flooding
I hope that Mike will com back to Us
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I don't see who he is referring to, not seen the final JB WWE RUU anywhere yet.
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http://t.co/HwsX35G6
I do not blame him, by the way. Who the hell knows what kind of confidentiality obligations he takes upon himself...
I just suggest that people stop whining like kids.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1954878&page=6
This thread also covers this sort of discussion
Also note D.O.C's post
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XDA-Developers is about development.
Rules are already laid down to protect the integrity of our forums, with the sole objective so that development persist, no matter of individual or collective choices.
If a user decides to share a RUU, fine, if not, fine again, and here is the reason why: fortunately development does not depend on RUUs, it depends on sources, and, obviously, developers to work with them. Sources are out there published under a licence that allows anyone to modify them and contribute to them in order to achieve a better product, reason why kernel sources have to be posted everytime you decide to share your custom kernel. Android is open source, reason why xda has boosted over the last few years.
HTC ROMs are not intended to be developed over them (ask their lawyers, heck, ask developers around what they find easier, to compile and modify android sources, or stock firmwares).
Now, development does not depend upon sharing. Sure, sharing is a great thing, it speeds up development and makes it greater, but, it does not depend on it. That is why sharing in our forums is a private choice.
XDA delopers started with a group of individuals that wanted to "tweak and modify" their stock roms (some developers I can see around here, and I am glad they are still around). It was a time of sharing and development, and there werent as many "issues" with this kind of environment back then. We all miss those times, but it is time we let go, we gotta move on and adapt to our current circumstances and stop trying to go backwards .....in short, develop a new mentality towards how we accept and deal with our current users. Afterall, we are in a development forum right?
RUUs are propietary to HTC, if they get "leaked" into our forums, well, thanks to the leaker, but under no cirmcunstance XDA will allow anyone to be "forced" to do something that they cannot/want to do. Not to HTC or any user for that matter. We do not ask anyone to share anything. If a user decides to share, we all win, if he doesnt decide to share, well, that is his choice, but we (by we I reffer to us as a community) do not depend upon anyone to continue what this forum is about, which is and will always be, development.
Hope the above does not cause any confusion that we (or I) support nonsharing but on the contrary, sharing stuff makes development greater and more fun, but we do know that development does not depend on it
Have fun!, but please try to stay within our forum rules, since the nature of this subject I can foresee someone getting angry XD
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The post above covers this sort of thing nicely!
I dont really have a personal opinion on the matter but think the above stuff covers it well
hamdir said:
yes its true even in Desire HD days mike did play this game as well
and this rats game should be banned from XDA
ill PM mike lets hope his inbox is not flooding
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I also sent PM to Mike
uqadwe said:
I do remember a discussion when Mike refused to share something, it was the Sensation time.
Sent from my HTC One X+
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I did but I changed my mind some time ago already. People do mistakes, only cows don't change their minds.
Also nobody here have 3.14.401.20 RUU.
well im taking my ball and im going home,
if people don't want to share that's up to them, XDA is about sharing knowledge, sharing the ability to build your own roms and such. Too many people are expecting others to do the work for them and this is NOT what XDA is about.
since when was XDA about the final product?
i think some members need to learn a bit before they speak! don't expect others to build your perfect rom for you.
XDA has become a playground full of children who want things done for them, ive not only watched the quality of members go down hill since ive been here but some moderators as well sadly.
xda is no longer a source of information and like minded people it's now all about.. " I WANT I WANT I WANT"
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I did but I changed my mind some time ago already. People do mistakes, only cows don't change their minds.
Also nobody here have 3.14.401.20 RUU.
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Mike don't give up on us !
Name and shame the arsehole !!!
Does this include your toolkit also?
Or just ROM Development?!
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I did but I changed my mind some time ago already. People do mistakes, only cows don't change their minds.
Also nobody here have 3.14.401.20 RUU.
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mike bro, please check my PM
I am just a ROM flashing newbie here, for the most part. I have had Android phones for 3 years or so but flashed my first ROM recently. Can you guy/gals please donate something to these developers? I have read some things where the donate to download ratio is ridiculously low.
I don't know what an appropriate amount to donate is. Maybe somebody can chime in on this. I donated $5 for my first ROM and the more questions I ask the developer the more I would donate. I plan to donate some more as I download more and more items.
If you can afford this phone then please donate something to these hardworking people. I don't know how many cans or bottles you would need to collect to get a few bucks but I guarantee the time it would take to get those cans or bottles is way less than the time these developers give to helping us all out.
DONT FORGET the costs associated with many of them having a website and the bandwidth they have to pay for when we download off of their site
You randomly read some statement somewhere that says donation to download is low? How about some specifics, such as rom and donations.
Your statement assumes too much, and not in a good light.
Most devs love them but don't expect them; they do it out of passion. Were it a financial burden, they would actively request or find hosts and help.
Also, with all the various rom devs, module devs, cross sharing, and kangers, who is to decide which persons or teams should really get donations?
Who says we haven't or don't donate?
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Hey moderators.....can you please delete this thread. I posted originally and really don't feel like getting into an online s h i t throwing session with others even though I am generally very good at it. I appeared to spark a nerve.
I think this is a legitimate topic.
Asking for donations never hurt. I guess the right way to say it is, "think about donating to your fellow developer of the rom you are running."
For they are the reason you are enjoying your expensive phone.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using xda app-developers app
That's a better way of saying it. When I read the first post, it sounded like whoever read it is being presumptuously told that they're not being supportive of the ROMs they use.
OP, you'd be surprised how willing people are to donate on here. One example is... madmack brought CM10.1 to our devices, but wanted additional support from another developer. The developer agreed, but as long as he was able to have the funds to purchase the phone to test and work on it. In less than a few days, enough people had donated enough for him to purchase the phone, but I had seen that people continued to donate to him.
The premise of this tread isn't bad. Just know that when people on here see good work, they're very very supportive.
Ok guys, Im sure everyone in the ROM comunity knows who evil1art is. From the S3 wicked series to S4 and now the N3. To his awesome themes. His computer is currently not in any good shape for development. that means no Wicked updates or cool themes to run on our devices.
This just simply wont do. He has and always works very hard to make sure we have amazing updates for our devices. So, I am asking all of you to come together. and help me make this bounty happen.
I ask that we all donate to him so he can buy a new pc and continue his work.
I will personally donate $5 towards this to get us started.
The total needed to get hom a pc he is able to develop on is:$800!
Every little bit helps
So here's how it works: post your amount and confirmation number in the thread and I'll add it to the op until we reach our goal.
Anything helps people!
animexsoldier $5 Confirmation 7EL09709P5514460M
Evil1Art and Wicked Need your help
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Ok guys, Im sure everyone in the ROM comunity knows who evil1art is. From the S3 wicked series to S4 and now the N3. To his awesome themes. His computer is currently not in any good shape for development. that means no Wicked updates or cool themes to run on our devices.
This just simply wont do. He has and always works very hard to make sure we have amazing updates for our devices. So, I am asking all of you to come together. and help me make this bounty happen.
I ask that we all donate to him so he can buy a new pc and continue his work.
I will personally donate $5 towards this to get us started.
The total needed to get hom a pc he is able to develop on is:$800!
Every little bit helps
So here's how it works: post your amount and confirmation number in the thread and I'll add it to the op until we reach our goal.
Anything helps people!
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done
5.00
Confirmation 7EL09709P5514460M
Sorry I can't do more atm car just got a ton of repairs :crying:
Thank you for all your hard work! Hope the donations roll in fast for you it is much deserved. :fingers-crossed:
Also you are my 1st donation ever lol and well worth more if I could afford it
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Thanks for your hard work.
Bounties are not encouraged on XDA, however some have resulted in needed breakthroughs.
A legitimate bounty should be started by someone other than the recipient, preferably an established member of the community. The recipient should be aware of and endorse the bounty and agree to its purpose. A set goal should be announced and totals kept current. No money should be collected up front but pledged to be sent to the recipient's donation link once goal is reached.
Please stay within these guidelines.
This thread is not within these guidelines. If you want to donate to the developer, donate.
Otherwise bounties are strictly pledges. With that said this thread is closed.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation
To further clarify for those that cannot see the big picture:
As I stated to the OP if you want to donate to the developer to get a better computer then donate. We as a site cannot allow thousands of threads for every loyal member to post a bounty for their favorite dev to get better equipment. This site is not about money or support. It is a development site. I am sorry if you disagree. Why must there be threads for this when you can urge people to donate in his ROM threads? There have been bounties fro true development break throughs on this site: Bounties for unlocking bootloaders, for getting an established developer a device to unlock a bootloader....these are legitimate bounties for a development site. Again, apologies if you do not agree...but that is not what this site is for. Perhaps a G+ post would be a better place for that. No one wants to log in to check news on their device to see 30 bounty threads to get their favorite dev a phone, computer, medicine for their cat...what have you. That is why there are very few bounties tolerated.
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I find it useful hearing people combo's and results i know it can be redeemed 'as hard to the teams'
but end of the day there full grown men there not going to lose sleep over it it will just make them work harder right?
Anyone just my opinion whole point in this is to see others opionon
I'm so confused right now.....
I remember there was a thread in Galaxy S2 section named "Whats your best combo for S2" . It was highly participated and even mods didn't removed it .
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No idea whats happening here
Why do people have to be so cryptic? This makes absolutely no sense to me either.
what ban?
this thread should be removed.
I think OP is referring to the forum rule that we can't have a thread dedicated to discussing which are the best kernels.
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I find it useful hearing people combo's and results i know it can be redeemed 'as hard to the teams'
but end of the day there full grown men there not going to lose sleep over it it will just make them work harder right?
Anyone just my opinion whole point in this is to see others opionon
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If this confusing mass of words is asking why "best rom/best kernel" threads aren't allowed, it's because it's a highly subjective topic without a right or wrong answer. Your mileage may vary, as they say. Also, by allowing this type of thread, the moderators could be seen as favoring one developer over another. This is a place where development is encouraged and devs would not be happy with someone else's work being promoted above theirs. Because of the subjective nature of the topic (and the fact that there are undoubtedly thousands or even millions of possible setups), it doesn't add anything to the community to ask for people to spoonfeed you what works best for them. Do some flashing and figure out what works best for YOU, not someone else.
It is only logical to have that ban. If the ban would be lifted, users will continuosly praise one or few developers, and discouraging users from trying other kernels. Without users, devs would not be motivated to contribute. Less contributions = less inovations and in the end-effect stagnation of development. Devs respect and cooperate with each other.
Read the development threads, try the kernels your self, and decide what is best for you.
not to mention that all that will happen is you will just get a listing of all the kernels and roms, since people will list what they use. and on top of that, everyone thinks that the rom and kernel that they are using is the best rom/kernel. eventually people start arguing, and the thread will get closed anyways. there is no best kernel or rom. we all have differing needs, and they all react differently on our differing devices.
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If this confusing mass of words is asking why "best rom/best kernel" threads aren't allowed, it's because it's a highly subjective topic without a right or wrong answer. Your mileage may vary, as they say. Also, by allowing this type of thread, the moderators could be seen as favoring one developer over another. This is a place where development is encouraged and devs would not be happy with someone else's work being promoted above theirs. Because of the subjective nature of the topic (and the fact that there are undoubtedly thousands or even millions of possible setups), it doesn't add anything to the community to ask for people to spoonfeed you what works best for them. Do some flashing and figure out what works best for YOU, not someone else.
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^^^This is really a very solid answer to why we do not allow them on xda^^^.
If you want the short answer.
Trying out ROMs yourself is part of what XDA Developers is about. If you're too lazy to do this and would like others to do it for you, this website might not be for you.
So this really is not open for debate and no poll or petition is going change our stance on this.
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The dev who asked for money is @joshuous (Oneplus 3 & 3T dev) and the moderator who helped is @Magnum_Enforcer.. and possibly @Sam Nakamura
A simple timeline of things:
1) Dev's rom (VertexOS) didnt have an update since September
2) "Suddenly" dev breaks his phone, and asks for donations
3) @Magnum_Enforcer deletes the message, and reminds him of rules
4) Dev says he wont continue development without a phone
5) Another user posts a link with a used phone at 200$ (i think from Swappa) and prompts other users to donate, many users agree
6) Users donate to the dev, dev thanks users for donations and says he will continue development .
Of course the majority of messages got deleted eventually by @Magnum_Enforcer (or maybe @Sam Nakamura)
So my question is Are devs allowed to ask for users to donate for a phone so they can continue development?
If this is not the right place to post this, please redirect me to the right thread
Sir, how can you even speak about something you completely don't know about?
Points im making clear:
The dev did not force for donations anywhere (and anyways nobody from xda donated) The vertex community(outside of XDA) decided to donate for a new phone so he could continue the amazing and promising work he's been delivering. If not he'd have bought another phone and continued to develop for it .
The developer complied to what he was instructed to : He did not even request for donations after he was warned to not do the same.
IT WAS THE COMMUNITY WHO INITIATED THE DONATION .
And please know that its the developer who's spending all the precious time on this for making all of us happy (please let me know if its you)
You, sir, should be ashamed to have ranted and spoken absolute **** about something you have no idea about. I don't think your stubborn ass belongs to a great place like XDA.
Other points:
1. This happening does not involve XDA and is totally out of XDA's boundaries.
2. I thought we were all aware that the dev was working on Oreo which was the reason for the pause in official builds.
3. Nobody is showing bias here. Please show us proof if you got any.
Not going to start a flame war here. I'm going to do this in a reasonable manner. I welcome any moderator (@Magnum_Enforcer and others) to discuss with me and allow me to provide every evidence needed to explain the situation and support my case. Feel free to pm me.
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The dev who asked for money is @joshuous (Oneplus 3 & 3T dev) and the moderator who helped is @Magnum_Enforcer.. and possibly @Sam Nakamura
A simple timeline of things:
1) Dev's rom (VertexOS) didnt have an update since September
2) "Suddenly" dev breaks his phone, and asks for donations
3) @Magnum_Enforcer deletes the message, and reminds him of rules
4) Dev says he wont continue development without a phone
5) Another user posts a link with a used phone at 200$ (i think from Swappa) and prompts other users to donate, many users agree
6) Users donate to the dev, dev thanks users for donations and says he will continue development .
Of course the majority of messages got deleted eventually by @Magnum_Enforcer (or maybe @Sam Nakamura)
So my question is Are devs allowed to ask for users to donate for a phone so they can continue development?
If this is not the right place to post this, please redirect me to the right thread
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Seems like you are too stubborn to give up. Very well.
Let's break things down a bit, shall we?
Joshuous has unfortunately damaged his OnePlus 3 accidentally, which means that - at the time - continuing to develop the ROM is impossible. Common sense, isn't it? Kernel building can be done blindly, but not ROM building by any means, or else the users may quite likely face serious bugs or even bricks, and will require a tediously longer period of testing that will deem the whole project meaningless. Joshuous was ready to give up on developing since, well, no device to test his ROM on. But the community didn't want to let go and soon enough a campaign to fund a secondhanded OnePlus 3 was begun by a generous member of the community (and NOT Joshuous himself). It may be inappropriate to post direct donations links, as kindly explained by @Magnum_Enforcer in the VertexOS thread. And after a quick discussion, and adequate moderating, the donation link was removed by the mods and the whole discussion was taken to somewhere more private away from XDA - as per the XDA rules and request of its moderators.
It's worth noting that the last official update from Joshuous was on the 16th of September, with a hotfix build released shortly by one of the project contributors, which caused the thread participants (with you pittifully being amongst them) to falsely deceive that the project has been abandoned, even though Joshuous was posting status updates when possible. However, it's been repeatedly stated by Joshuous and his contributors (me included) that the ROM hasn't been abandoned, and that the pause of official builds is a natural thing when the developer starts to work on the major Android version upgrade - just like most of the ROMs.
Again, I would like to emphasise some points. As far as Joshuous went with 'breaking the rules', he directly posted a link to the funding campaign that explicitly stated the campaign's goal to buy a secondhanded OnePlus 3 unit. As soon as the link was removed, and Joshuous made aware of the rules and that this was considered a violation to them, Joshuous has gratefully abided by @Magnum_Enforcer 's decision and the XDA rules and took the donation somewhere else out of the XDA boundaries. And of course, we must emphasize the fact that you have been rudely bashing Josh and @calvinistmac (you even dared to rudely call him "his lackey" just because he responded to you and gave you a status update, and I have not-so-kindly stepped in. And if my memory serves me right, I even advised you to get your hands off the keyboard for your own good - an advice that apparently wasn't taken into consideration and has cost the XDA forum lots of space, and has significantly cost the mods quite some time to clear your trash talk and rude comments and not to mention how depressed Josh was when he saw, and still see, such allegations made against him)
Now let's get back to your preposterous claim
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The dev who asked for money is @joshuous (Oneplus 3 & 3T dev) and the moderator who helped is @Magnum_Enforcer.. and possibly @Sam Nakamura
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Incorrect. Joshuous didn't actually start the campaign of funding a OnePlus 3 device for development, he only stated that he lost the phone accidentally. Only thing he did was pasting a link to a campaign that was started by another XDA member, who did enjoy VertexOS and was very generous to do whatever it takes for the project to continue. And no, Magnum_Enforcer didn't help him, he actually took down the link asap and kindly refreshed our knowledge of the XDA rules. Sam Nakamura didn't help him either.
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A simple timeline of things:
1) Dev's rom (VertexOS) didnt have an update since September
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Can't be denied, but I just did explain why did Josh pause the official builds above.
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2) "Suddenly" dev breaks his phone, and asks for donations
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That's nothing short of an individual issue of trust. Nothing to do with XDA or any other site. I suggest you go see a doctor and talk with him about your uncertainities and conspiracy theories - that's all I can say.
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3) @Magnum_Enforcer deletes the message, and reminds him of rules
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I don't see anything wrong here. It's just the moderator doing his job properly, and I highly commend him for that :good:
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4) Dev says he wont continue development without a phone
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True, and justifiable. ROM developing cannot be done blindly. Even kernel developing must need a very highly experienced dev to come up with dependable stable kernel builds if done blindly without the actual device in hand.
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5) Another user posts a link with a used phone at 200$ (i think from Swappa) and prompts other users to donate, many users agree
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What's wrong with seeing a good and supportive community? Is that against the rules, or does it defy the laws of physics?
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6) Users donate to the dev, dev thanks users for donations and says he will continue development .
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Given the previously explained circumstances, and the wonderfully supportive community, the developer has gratefully accepted the community's helping hand. What's wrong with that?
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Of course the majority of messages got deleted eventually by @Magnum_Enforcer (or maybe @Sam Nakamura)
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And we commend him/them for doing his job properly and promptly reminding us of any violation to the rules. I would like to remind you and the gentlemen that among the "majority of the messages that got deleted eventually" was your rude reply to @calvinistmac where you called him Josh's lackey, which is terribly impolite and unrespectful to say the least.
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So my question is Are devs allowed to ask for users to donate for a phone so they can continue development?
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The answer of this question can be found in @Magnum_Enforcer 's post here, which apparently you have gone through and failed to understand.
gordito_gr said:
If this is not the right place to post this, please redirect me to the right thread
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That's up to the moderator to decide. But one thing for sure, XDA is not the place for you to blatantly drag the devs in the filth and lace your hate on them.
I hope such guys get banned from XDA, as those destroy the whole community. They don't even have a sense for community feeling or how to act in one.
I've seen many post of you, which are disrespectful and childish. And this one is the top of the hill.
Mostafa explained the situation very well. Josh never asked for donation and the campaign has been created by a user, not even a contributor!
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And we commend him/them for doing his job properly and promptly reminding us of any violation to the rules. I would like to remind you and the gentlemen that among the "majority of the messages that got deleted eventually" was your rude reply to @calvinistmac where you called him Josh's lackey, which is terribly impolite and unrespectful to say the least.
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I just hope you change the rules, because there are clearly other devs out there that should be making a living out of their work.
Allowing this dev to get paid, while banning other from freely asking for donations to continue, is clearly double-standard behavior.
No wonder why devs start leaving XDA.
Why do you keep saying XDA "allowed" joshuous to get paid? The donations took place off of XDA and any donation requests on XDA were promptly removed.
The rules were upheld and the users who saw value in VertexOS donated elsewhere. I'm not sure why you alone are against this.
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I just hope you change the rules, because there are clearly other devs out there that should be making a living out of their work.
Allowing this dev to get paid, while banning other from freely asking for donations to continue, is clearly double-standard behavior.
No wonder why devs start leaving XDA.
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Actually Devs start leaving XDA because of people like you keep populating the threads with nothing but nonsense. Absolute nonsense. You just cripple the threads with such replies. And where on God's Earth did Joshuous ask his users to donate him to continue development ? I have said it before numerous times and will say it again, the campaign was raised by one of the users and not him. And when ME took down the link, we moved the discussion to somewhere else out of XDA's boundaries. What the bloody heck is wrong with that? If you don't like what you see, clear the bloody way for more useful posts! Any other comments on that means that you are nothing but a troll. Not even a guy with single digit IQ level would be that stubborn and fail to understand outright facts.
P.S. stop with the "XDA is helping him" part, coz that is even more embarrassing for you.
Absolutely embarrassing response.
Lock this thread and change the rules already, there are devs out there that deserve to get paid
gordito_gr said:
I just hope you change the rules, because there are clearly other devs out there that should be making a living out of their work.
Allowing this dev to get paid, while banning other from freely asking for donations to continue, is clearly double-standard behavior.
No wonder why devs start leaving XDA.
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Do you get your jollies over ridiculing other devs? Your the type that make devs want to quit. I've seen it happen all across this forum. Josh is one of the best devs out there along with SultanXDA, Maxwen, etc...
Nowhere did Josh ask for donations to keep on developing. WE AS THE COMMUNITY WHO USE AND HAVE USED THIS ROM DONATED so that development could continue. You just keep digging a bigger hole for yourself.
The only embarassing responses are yours.
You poke at the bear and you're gonna get bitten.
Your arrogance is showing, big time. I suggest you quit while you're ahead.
Mine and the rest of XDA's tolerance has shortened for the likes of you.
gordito_gr said:
Absolutely embarrassing response.
Lock this thread and change the rules already, there are devs out there that deserve to get paid
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And as far as I can work out, Josh and Zach are amongst the first of these Devs.
Could you please zip it and clear the area? If anyone is making people leave XDA - it is YOU. and only YOU! No one else. Not Josh, not Zach. YOU.
Just take a look at what have you done? You crippled two threads with your rude posts and useless futile discussions. I think suffering with pneumonia would be more tolerable than replying to your pathetic posts.
As I've said... Don't post here. This guy doesn't understand the sense of a community. I still hope this guy gets banned as a statement from XDA.
It would be time to protect devs and not such user, who has no value to this community. I've never seen him to help or support development in any way.
With this post he blames the mod, who already handled this topic, Josh as Dev and the whole community, who's trying to help and support each other.
And just to say. I've donated to this campaign on a free basis. And what I do with my money, that's my thing. Do you believe you can decide, what people are doing with their money ... You are simple-minded and conceited. If you think another Dev should receive a donation... Than donate. I believe you've never donated more than 1 dollar to any of them. So just let others do, what they want and mind your own business.
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The dev who asked for money is @joshuous (Oneplus 3 & 3T dev) and the moderator who helped is @Magnum_Enforcer.. and possibly @Sam Nakamura
A simple timeline of things:
1) Dev's rom (VertexOS) didnt have an update since September
2) "Suddenly" dev breaks his phone, and asks for donations
3) @Magnum_Enforcer deletes the message, and reminds him of rules
4) Dev says he wont continue development without a phone
5) Another user posts a link with a used phone at 200$ (i think from Swappa) and prompts other users to donate, many users agree
6) Users donate to the dev, dev thanks users for donations and says he will continue development .
Of course the majority of messages got deleted eventually by @Magnum_Enforcer (or maybe @Sam Nakamura)
So my question is Are devs allowed to ask for users to donate for a phone so they can continue development?
If this is not the right place to post this, please redirect me to the right thread
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I have looked into this and absolutely no rules have been violated.
8. Donations.
As a user, you're allowed to ask for donations in your signature as a thank you for your hard work, however donations up front are not allowed. This forum is about sharing and not about getting paid to do something... that is what your job is for.
The developer never demanded donations. The community rallied to help at their own free will.
Thread closed.