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<<Another interesting (although quite odd as well) detail, is the fact that the HTC One S is reportedly the second fastest mobile device in the world when it comes to rendering video, obtaining results that are far superior to the Tegra 3 Transformer Prime and HTC One X.>>
http://www.androidauthority.com/snapdragon-s4-pro-benchmark-66510/
Looks like this won't be "the benchmark phone", but I really don't care when all the real world reports are talking about how fast and smooth it is.
This was answered more than 100 times, check Mega thread.
People are so obsessed with Benchmarks they forgets about real world usage.
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People are so obsessed with Benchmarks they forgets about real world usage.
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Fully agree!
I don't care for these numbers, they are nothing worth.
Once AOSP ROMs pop up and devs start to meddle with everything, the X will be *the* benchmark phone.
And yes, numbers doesn't mean anything. My highest benchmark number made on my HTC Desire was made with a Sense ROM, yet I find Oxygen and CyanogenMod *a lot* faster than Sense for everyday use. So it means nothing.
i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9S65h7cT0bo
hamdir said:
i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9S65h7cT0bo
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+1 that video does really show the balls the Tegra 3 has!
hamdir said:
i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9S65h7cT0bo
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14 hd videos! Amazing!
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hamdir said:
i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9S65h7cT0bo
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Getting thankses for my find =] (is 'thankses' a real word?)
If I were apple I would patent this video.
eeeeeee said:
Getting thankses for my find =] (is 'thankses' a real word?)
If I were apple I would patent this video.
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here you got the thanks in return, this video if flooring anybody who sees it
its already circulating in my friends ring
Just found this benchmark video on youtube:
Benchmark : HTC One X vs HTC One S (AnTuTu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MELsb7neD2o
HTC One X vs HTC One S - Quad Core Tegra 3 vs Dual Core S4 Qualcomm
One X : 10 597
One S : 6 458
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Just found this benchmark video on youtube:
Benchmark : HTC One X vs HTC One S (AnTuTu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MELsb7neD2o
HTC One X vs HTC One S - Quad Core Tegra 3 vs Dual Core S4 Qualcomm
One X : 10 597
One S : 6 458
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excellent that's nearly double
Antutu is very good at scaling with the number of cores
i'll caught you into the mega thread!
hamdir said:
i dont understand where everyone got this feeling is it from my thread? i showed pros and cons and i showed how they trade blows in benchmarks, wipes the s4 in true multi core tests like Antutu, i also showed how the GPU beats adreno225 in many tests and how its beats it overall @720p
Tegra 3 is currently the fastest most untapped mobile processor out there
many benchmarks are not taking advantage of the quad core
this is video proves it all
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Congratulations, you found one of the few use cases where all four cores are used.
I have owned the transformer prime tf201 for a month before returning it, and was not massively impressed by the tegra 3.
Under honeycomb it felt virtually the same as the tf101, apart from home screen navigation. The browser was horrendous and considerably worse than my galaxy s2.
On ICS the whole thing was a massive improvement, but sadly the browser (any of them) was still not as good as the ipad2, and even the galaxy s2. I suspect in most cases, the qualcomm s4 will simply feel faster (and browsing in particular im hoping).
Tegra 3 was VERY impressive for media playback though and games aswell, however, there are barely any games on the market that the adreno 205 can not handle let alone the 220/225.
Adreno 220 in s3 was bottlenecked, 225 in s4 should be a lot better and close to tegra 3 gpu.
rarsi123 said:
Congratulations, you found one of the few use cases where all four cores are used.
I have owned the transformer prime tf201 for a month before returning it, and was not massively impressed by the tegra 3.
Under honeycomb it felt virtually the same as the tf101, apart from home screen navigation. The browser was horrendous and considerably worse than my galaxy s2.
On ICS the whole thing was a massive improvement, but sadly the browser (any of them) was still not as good as the ipad2, and even the galaxy s2. I suspect in most cases, the qualcomm s4 will simply feel faster (and browsing in particular im hoping).
Tegra 3 was VERY impressive for media playback though and games aswell, however, there are barely any games on the market that the adreno 205 can not handle let alone the 220/225.
Adreno 220 in s3 was bottlenecked, 225 in s4 should be a lot better and close to tegra 3 gpu.
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i have a Desire HD adreno205 and its starting to fall behind, the 3d games that do work are not working at their best
android default browser is always nonsense even for snapdragon device and opera is a tons better (or other alternative) it might be an asus problem
hard to believe the quad fails in a real multi tasking job like web browsing
media playback and games? YES PLEASE
you returned the T Prime and its the most well praised android tablet out there, with most media concluding its a titan a match to the iPad3, updates are making it better, in fact a massive update has just been released
your issues with the T Prime sound only software problems
not to mention the T Prime shipped with early T30 silicon which had troubles achieving its own thermal goals, we are getting a revised AP33 aimed at 1.5/1.6ghz stable in a mobile phone
you mean to tell me opera was performing worse in the Prime opposed to the SGS2? it runs perfectly on my DHD
Look i wanted to believe the s4 mopes t3 myself mate since i'm angry at the T3 GPU, but i have checked every review, every bench and every technical article out there and simply it did not beat the T3 it simply almost matched it and impressive feat for a dual core, but doesn't cancel or out do the T3 especially not at 1280x720
finally check my posts on the topic
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24097326&postcount=5
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24218006&postcount=12
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24189921&postcount=15
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24182862&postcount=2344
hamdir said:
i have a Desire HD adreno205 and its starting to fall behind, the 3d games that do work are not working at their best
android default browser is always nonsense even for snapdragon device and opera is a tons better (or other alternative) it might be an asus problem
hard to believe the quad fails in a real multi tasking job like web browsing
media playback and games? YES PLEASE
you returned the T Prime and its the most well praised android tablet out there, with most media concluding its a titan a match to the iPad3, updates are making it better, in fact a massive update has just been released
your issues with the T Prime sound only software problems
not to mention the T Prime shipped with early T30 silicon which had troubles achieving its own thermal goals, we are getting a revised AP33 aimed at 1.5/1.6ghz stable in a mobile phone
finally check my posts on the topic
you mean to tell me opera was performing worse in the Prime opposed to the SGS2? it runs perfectly on my DHD
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I returned it cause i couldnt afford the the £500 to keep it, especially when i know there's a £200 version coming soon! Under ICS it was very useable, but had some notorious bugs, like random reboots. The only real alternative is the ipad, but the aspect ratio renders it useless for media playback, so you are right, the tf201 is the only acceptable tablet out there.
Opera at the time didnt work that well in either honeycomb or ICS, but was amazing in gingerbread. I returned it before chrome beta came out, so cant comment on that either. The default browser has overall been very good since ICS, and i suspect this will be the case in any ONE S/X configuration.
The web browsing was acceptable with ICS, but didnt quite match the galaxy s2 or the ipad2. The galaxy s2 was that good that it made my ipad redundant and I eventually sold it. You'd never guess there was a quad core behind the tf201 when using the internet browser. It never quite looked as good as the only other ICS device, the galaxy nexus.
Overall I was really looking forward to tegra 3 and was left a little disappointed, and felt that perhaps the A9 was just not that good overall. I hoped the revised tegra 3 is a lot better. I was really looking forward to the s4 as well and am again disappointed that it is only comparable with the tegra 3. I may have to wait for the 2.5ghz quadcore version!
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My next phone will still probably be the one x though, one s has been crippled with a poor display and memory
i'm not interested in GPU power but more in efficiency per watt...
maybe too early to know exactly, but i would like to know:
Would the One S combination (S4, Adreno225, qHD, 1650mAh) be more power efficient (i.e battery lasts longer in normal everyday use) than the One X (T3, 720p, 1800mAh).
normal use: 1-2h display usage, browsing, mails, phone, camera, sms
thx!
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I returned it cause i couldnt afford the the £500 to keep it, especially when i know there's a £200 version coming soon! Under ICS it was very useable, but had some notorious bugs, like random reboots. The only real alternative is the ipad, but the aspect ratio renders it useless for media playback, so you are right, the tf201 is the only acceptable tablet out there.
Opera at the time didnt work that well in either honeycomb or ICS, but was amazing in gingerbread. I returned it before chrome beta came out, so cant comment on that either. The default browser has overall been very good since ICS, and i suspect this will be the case in any ONE S/X configuration.
The web browsing was acceptable with ICS, but didnt quite match the galaxy s2 or the ipad2. The galaxy s2 was that good that it made my ipad redundant and I eventually sold it. You'd never guess there was a quad core behind the tf201 when using the internet browser. It never quite looked as good as the only other ICS device, the galaxy nexus.
Overall I was really looking forward to tegra 3 and was left a little disappointed, and felt that perhaps the A9 was just not that good overall. I hoped the revised tegra 3 is a lot better. I was really looking forward to the s4 as well and am again disappointed that it is only comparable with the tegra 3. I may have to wait for the 2.5ghz quadcore version!
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My next phone will still probably be the one x though, one s has been crippled with a poor display and memory
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the reboots you speak of are attributed to software problems and early T30, the revision only solves problems with the silicon, allow 200mhz extra, nothing changed in architecture
@zerozoneice from what we are hearing, T3 is very power efficient, i don't know about amoled
hamdir said:
@zerozoneice from what we are hearing, T3 is very power efficient, i don't know about amoled
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thought the X has SLCD2 and the S has SAMOLED
i have a feeling they carefully balanced the **** out between the two models so there's no clear battery winner....
rarsi123 said:
Congratulations, you found one of the few use cases where all four cores are used.
I have owned the transformer prime tf201 for a month before returning it, and was not massively impressed by the tegra 3.
Under honeycomb it felt virtually the same as the tf101, apart from home screen navigation. The browser was horrendous and considerably worse than my galaxy s2.
On ICS the whole thing was a massive improvement, but sadly the browser (any of them) was still not as good as the ipad2, and even the galaxy s2. I suspect in most cases, the qualcomm s4 will simply feel faster (and browsing in particular im hoping).
Tegra 3 was VERY impressive for media playback though and games aswell, however, there are barely any games on the market that the adreno 205 can not handle let alone the 220/225.
Adreno 220 in s3 was bottlenecked, 225 in s4 should be a lot better and close to tegra 3 gpu.
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I'm using Asus transformer prime for last 3 months and I think its the best pad right now. It replaced my iPad 2. Tegra 3 is fast at everything. Especially with ICS.
Can hardly wait for One X.
There is nothing better for multitasking than T3 right now. And I use it quite often on phone too.
Companion core should bring good battery life too.
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Hey got a noob question here...
I read this review (http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/01/htc-one-x-for-att-review/) on Engadget and i took me by surprise a bit. In terms of performance i dont understand how tegra 3 is beaten by a dual core? Is there a reason why?
Sorry if this has been asked before, tried to look but couldn't find anything.
I wondered the same thing, i presume is a software issue with unefficient coding limiting the full power of the tegra 3.
vans88 said:
Hey got a noob question here...
I read this review (http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/01/htc-one-x-for-att-review/) on Engadget and i took me by surprise a bit. In terms of performance i dont understand how tegra 3 is beaten by a dual core? Is there a reason why?
Sorry if this has been asked before, tried to look but couldn't find anything.
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The dual core in the AT&T One X is a Snapdragon S4, which more similar to the A15 chip architecture. As I understand it, the A15 chip architecture is superior than the A9. Realistically, I think it would be very difficult to tell the difference between the two in real world usage. This is one of those choices where you simply can't go wrong!
As far as dev support goes, I think the Tegra 3 version will have more widespread development, which was the main reason I chose this over the One XL. Well, that and the 32gb of built in storage, especially with the absence of a micro sd card slot.
you can't really tell the difference between them two..the tegra has a growing library of optimized apps and games putting the extra features to good use..the average user isn't going to notice a difference between an S4 and tegra 3 device in real world non gaming situations and in gaming situations the tegra 3 will steal the show..
Is it also due to tegra 3 not as well optimized on android as snapdragon ?
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Apparently the One XL will be sold in Europe: http://www.unwiredview.com/2012/05/...d-for-europe-arrives-in-stores-in-early-june/
I just ordered an International One X about an hour before reading that.
I decided on the International One X, vs Rogers or AT&T models partly due to the much better potential for ROMs and the larger userbase.
If I had read that article an hour earlier, I likely would have held off on "pushing the purchase trigger" for at least a few more days to see if popularity might shift to the XL.
But for now at least, the One X w/ Tegra3 is more popular with more custom ROM potential.
LTE speeds are not a concern for me. And I have little regard for cores or GPU, just so long as they are "fast enough".
Anyway, for me this is just "another testbench phone" among 12 for testing my app and adding proper Qualcomm FM chip support. And when I go out I just grab whichever phone has the magic grand-fathered SIM chip in it at that time.
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Apparently the One XL will be sold in Europe: http://www.unwiredview.com/2012/05/...d-for-europe-arrives-in-stores-in-early-june/
I just ordered an International One X about an hour before reading that.
I decided on the International One X, vs Rogers or AT&T models partly due to the much better potential for ROMs and the larger userbase.
If I had read that article an hour earlier, I likely would have held off on "pushing the purchase trigger" for at least a few more days to see if popularity might shift to the XL.
But for now at least, the One X w/ Tegra3 is more popular with more custom ROM potential.
LTE speeds are not a concern for me. And I have little regard for cores or GPU, just so long as they are "fast enough".
Anyway, for me this is just "another testbench phone" among 12 for testing my app and adding proper Qualcomm FM chip support. And when I go out I just grab whichever phone has the magic grand-fathered SIM chip in it at that time.
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One XL will mope the floor with the One X in terms of battery
but gizmo-do reported its no match for the One X/tegra3 in terms of gaming and performance @ 720p
hamdir said:
One XL will mope the floor with the One X in terms of battery
but gizmo-do reported its no match for the One X/tegra3 in terms of gaming and performance @ 720p
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One XL has the aggressive memory management issue...
I doubt the XL will be released here in the UK but I will probably get it imported from Germany or something.
I don't game, so Tegra is a huge turn-off... Bigger process, runs hot, drivers are wonky...
damn, I just got my one x but really wanted the one xl, the one s just feels much faster than the one x, so I think the one xl will perform similarly...
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damn, I just got my one x but really wanted the one xl, the one s just feels much faster than the one x, so I think the one xl will perform similarly...
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not nearly it has to deal with 4 times the pixels than the One S
hamdir said:
One XL will mope the floor with the One X in terms of battery
but gizmo-do reported its no match for the One X/tegra3 in terms of gaming and performance @ 720p
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Your comparing a Tegra GPU at 533Mhz against Adreno 225 at 400Mhz.
Im sure in the future, developers will be able to clock the Adreno higher than 500Mhz and still produce less heat due to the 28nm vs 40nm on Tegra.
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Your comparing a Tegra GPU at 533Mhz against Adreno 225 at 400Mhz.
Im sure in the future, developers will be able to clock the Adreno higher than 500Mhz and still produce less heat due to the 28nm vs 40nm on Tegra.
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sorry bro you have a good point there but you can't dismiss the power of the quad
just run glowball in 2 cores disabled and the frame rate will fall to the ground
shadowgun and many THD games are actually using the quads
for gaming T3 will always be better
Seems the European One XL will have only 16GB of storage.
While, the Australian version of One XL is mentioned as 32GB
http://www.htc.com/au/smartphones/htc-one-xl/#specs
MrPhilo said:
Your comparing a Tegra GPU at 533Mhz against Adreno 225 at 400Mhz.
Im sure in the future, developers will be able to clock the Adreno higher than 500Mhz and still produce less heat due to the 28nm vs 40nm on Tegra.
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I believe It's actually 333mhz in our One X. Tablets have higher clock speeds for the gpu, not our phone by stock default. Of course we'll be able to OC our One Xs further.
If you're looking for dev support there's not going to be a ton based on fewer XL's being sold. It's an LTE phone and based on the limited amount of LTE deployed in Europe it won't sell nearly as many units as the Teg3 One X. I'd guess it'll also have 16GB of storage like the XL's sold in the rest of the world too.
skr_xd said:
Seems the European One XL will have only 16GB of storage.
While, the Australian version of One XL is mentioned as 32GB
http://www.htc.com/au/smartphones/htc-one-xl/#specs
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I think this is a mistake, I went looking for some australian online shops but they al mentioned the xl only had 16GB
The European XL has only 16gb its on HTC's website it also has a plastic camera ring instead if the brushe metal one
its a clearly downgraded version of the One X to be sold at a cheaper price and you guys are debating wether its better
as for GPU shaky already confirmed we have a 533mhz gpu on AP33 its scales down with the CPU clocks @1.4ghz we get it full speed
according to modaco website, s4 versions of hox (excluding att) are handling fastboot boot corectly. that is a plus.
16gb of difference is lame
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I doubt the XL will be released here in the UK but I will probably get it imported from Germany or something.
I don't game, so Tegra is a huge turn-off... Bigger process, runs hot, drivers are wonky...
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There are some articles saying XL will land in the UK, including one from April 25. But this more recent article says no:
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...htc-one-xl-unlikely-to-land-in-the-uk-1081899
hamdir said:
The European XL has only 16gb its on HTC's website it also has a plastic camera ring instead if the brushe metal one
its a clearly downgraded version of the One X to be sold at a cheaper price and you guys are debating wether its better
as for GPU shaky already confirmed we have a 533mhz gpu on AP33 its scales down with the CPU clocks @1.4ghz we get it full speed
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16 GB may be true, especially if the hardware is identical to the US/Canada XL. I'd imagine it wouldn't be hard to up the memory spec in a variant though, presuming the S4 can handle more and the One XL was designed for more.
I've seen lots of debate about One X vs One XL, and I think it's debatable. I think each device has it's pluses, and I wouldn't immediately assume 4 or 5 cores are always better than 2.
I bought into the idea that the XL was effectively crippled, and the rest of the world was smart enough to ignore the XL. Now I'm not so sure.
The biggest question to me is if XL popularity will overtake X, especially among ROM developers. I've seen a few comments along the lines of "Europeans who just bought the X will be pissed".
True or not, I don't know, but time will tell.
Apparently the AT&T XL bootloader issue has a solution.
And I think/hope software problem differences between the two will eventually be minimized.
All in all, I think this is good news for XL owners, expanding the userbase and perhaps developer support (?).
For X owners, I'm not sure if it's positive, negative or neutral, but I don't think it's a big swing, unless... Unless developer interest in the XL caused a migration away from X.
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but gizmo-do reported its no match for the One X/tegra3 in terms of gaming and performance @ 720p
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I'll trade a slightly slower gpu any day for a faster cpu, more battery life and a cooler running phone and also 4g. I doubt you'll see any games other than the few tegra 3 optimised games that would run smoothly on the One X but not the One XL.
The australian and german version is mentioned to have 32gb of storage, but will cost an arm and a leg
The 32gb One XL will be the best of the htc phones imo.
Tegra 3 is overrated, especially with the fact that it can't run at its max performance without overheating your phone.
Dev support shouldn't be an issue, all the american versions would have the S4, not to mention the One S around the world and I believe most mid range devices releasing next year would also have the S4. Just discovered the At&t also has supercid now.
Head over to gsmarena evo 4g lte review and you can see in cpu bound single thread test like benchmark pi, the snapdragon s4 is currently the fastest soc available core for core. A score of 270 puts it about 25% faster than tegra3 at the same clock. Floating point is almost 2x as fast. Since hardly any apps load up the second core on a dual core, the benefit of adding another 2 more cores is questionable. I would take the 2 more powerful and energy efficient cores anyday. Now that we have anandtech's reviews of the att one x, its adreno225 gpu has shown to be about equal to the geforce ulp. Gaming is not an issue though as currently most games run fine on adreno 205 which is several times slower than the 225.
The only drawback to the one xl is the gpu flash player performance. It seems incapable of handling 720p flash videos in browser where both mali400 and geforce ulp plays 1080p without a problem.
hamdir said:
The European XL has only 16gb its on HTC's website it also has a plastic camera ring instead if the brushe metal one
its a clearly downgraded version of the One X to be sold at a cheaper price and you guys are debating wether its better
as for GPU shaky already confirmed we have a 533mhz gpu on AP33 its scales down with the CPU clocks @1.4ghz we get it full speed
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In Hong Kong, the XL is actually more expensive then X...
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Tegra3 is a beast im sorry, in my mega thread i was the most skeptical and most worried
and now I am amazed to the floor with what this chip-set can do, like many said its the main highlight of the device
software issues with OnDemand governor has nothing to do with the processor abilities
root your device and control it and you will see how amazing it is
as for THD games they are not few, they are releasing them non stop and seriously one look into s4e2 and your mind boggles, this is PS3 quality on a mobile phone!
those who like to game, and i mean real games, not stupid phone games like angry birds, will miss out if they dismiss Tegra3
being a hardcore game seriously for the first time since i ever owned a smartphone i'm actually playing games on it
in HK XL is more expensive? most likely due to the shortage in s4 supply
but seriously its simple, if you are gonna cry about battery life and slight heat when pushed to the limits that was confirmed to be OK by the device maker (and still much lesser than iPad3) then by all means don't get the Tegra version
if you realise heat is not the end of the world, understand its due to a quad core built on a larger process, your daily lifestyle has access to recharging more often and most important KNOW HOW TO JUST ENJOY! than Tegra One X is unmatched
every reviewer complaint about the XL performance that it performs slower than the One S, all the devices i owned before were qualcomm and to be perfectly honest i say good riddance!
video decoding issues are never ending with Qual CPUs not to mention they are unmatched to Nvidia's app developers support
biggest surprise? Nvidia continuous updates to their Tegra3 Kernel source, our kernel devs like Franco keep on porting to our One X
i really wanna know:
i got 1,5 ghz processor + Graphic Card (4+1)
i got design
i got beats
i got sense
S3 got:
1,4 ghz processor
Amoled...
Touchwiz
Battery ( 2200 mAh) with low energy usage Cpu
İ see benchmark points pass the S3 when JB comes
5 min ago i installed geekbench 2
my phone get 1300 benchmark points (power saving off) but s3 got 1700 -.-
its one of most important thing for me: HAVE BETTER PROCESSOR THEN S3
can anyone explain to me HOX have better cpu or not?
and what about iphone 5? is it beat hox too? with dual core??
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The HOX and S3 are basically on a par with each other. However the S3 just edges out the HOX for a few different reasons. First, most software needs further optimising for Tegra devices and secondly because the S3 doesn't have the S-On/S-Off problem.
It's worth noting that the HOX is closer in terms of following Google's phone design guidelines (no menu button) and also that the screen is better.
The Tegra3 version of HOX has a slower CPU than it's dual core version.
It's like comparing a Q8200 with a E8600 and then run dual core optimized programs.
Hmmm thx for explain
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Bassicaly there isnt much of a big difference.. Exynos is a bit faster(effective)than tegra 3.. So s3 has worse screen while htc has better.. S3 has amoled display while htc has only lcd display.. But they r kinda same.. Used both phone sense is good but still wud go for touchwiz.. Lack of toggles in notification menu rly bugs me.. (There r no official htc toggles there r just play stores one)..It is just my opinion
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I have the One X but I think the S3 is better overall
The S3 has a faster processor, smoother gaming and UI, better quality camera, touchwiz features (pop up play, multi-window, smart rotation) and most importantly a great XDA thread
However the HOX does have a much better (& sturdier) design, better screen, THD games support, Beats audio
Headless_monkeyhunta96 said:
I have the One X but I think the S3 is better overall
The S3 has a faster processor, smoother gaming and UI, better quality camera, touchwiz features (pop up play, multi-window, smart rotation) and most importantly a great XDA thread
However the HOX does have a much better (& sturdier) design, better screen, THD games support, Beats audio
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Regarding to beats.. Ok so when the driver is on the sound is just amazing it blows any other phone when it comes to that..But,but,but i think that they demolished sound when u play music without beats drivers just so u can say that the difference is sooo big.. And it is a good marketing trick gotta admit that.
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The amount of stupidity in this thread is unbelievable...
The S3 beats the Tegra 3 even though it has a slightly slower clock speed for a few reasons, mainly because the Exynos chip in the S3 is a 32nm chip as compared to the Tegra 3's 40nm process, so the Exynos is somewhat more efficient due to the smaller process. Also, blame Nvidia for crappy software optimisation. Furthermore, the Mali 400 chip in the S3 is far more powerful than the puny Tegra 3 ULP Geforce chip. Don't say more cores = more power, that is not true. Besides, the S4 in the HOXL is more powerful than the Tegra 3 because the S4 has the Cortex A15 architecture which gives about 40% more processing power per core against the Cortex A9. The comparison of a dual core CPU and a quad core CPU using a dual core optimised software I saw somewhere above in this thread means nothing in ARM terms. The Cortex A9 (for example Tegra 3) uses all 4 cores and loses against the Snapdragon S4, say the MSM8960 which the HOXL has.
All other discussions about S3 and HOX w.r.t. features (touchwiz is a feature?!) should be reserved for other threads.
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The amount of stupidity in this thread is unbelievable...
The S3 beats the Tegra 3 even though it has a slightly slower clock speed for a few reasons, mainly because the Exynos chip in the S3 is a 32nm chip as compared to the Tegra 3's 40nm process, so the Exynos is somewhat more efficient due to the smaller process. Also, blame Nvidia for crappy software optimisation. Furthermore, the Mali 400 chip in the S3 is far more powerful than the puny Tegra 3 ULP Geforce chip. Don't say more cores = more power, that is not true. Besides, the S4 in the HOXL is more powerful than the Tegra 3 because the S4 has the Cortex A15 architecture which gives about 40% more processing power per core against the Cortex A9. The comparison of a dual core CPU and a quad core CPU using a dual core optimised software I saw somewhere above in this thread means nothing in ARM terms. The Cortex A9 (for example Tegra 3) uses all 4 cores and loses against the Snapdragon S4, say the MSM8960 which the HOXL has.
All other discussions about S3 and HOX w.r.t. features (touchwiz is a feature?!) should be reserved for other threads.
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The amount of stupidity in this is ridiculous.
Snapdragon S4 doesn't use Cortex A15, it uses Krait cores.
Furthermore, the S4 beats Tegra 3 because at the time benchmark reviews came out, most of them were optimized for dual core, the T3 beats S4 in terms of raw power, of course software will do its part.
Mali-400 doesn't really beat the GeForce. Its running in 16 bit mode, and its vertex limited. Sure it has a good fillrate, but it cannot rim vertex heavy games.
GeForce ULP runs in 32 bit, and is pixel limited, which basically means its a draw, but when you factor in THD games, GeForce wins.
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XxVcVxX said:
The amount of stupidity in this is ridiculous.
Snapdragon S4 doesn't use Cortex A15, it uses Krait cores.
Furthermore, the S4 beats Tegra 3 because at the time benchmark reviews came out, most of them were optimized for dual core, the T3 beats S4 in terms of raw power, of course software will do its part.
Mali-400 doesn't really beat the GeForce. Its running in 16 bit mode, and its vertex limited. Sure it has a good fillrate, but it cannot rim vertex heavy games.
GeForce ULP runs in 32 bit, and is pixel limited, which basically means its a draw, but when you factor in THD games, GeForce wins.
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I facepalmed. Especially at the very first statement. What architecture does Krait use, I wonder.
As for S4 not beating Tegra, S4 came out *after* Tegra 3. You'd think benchmarks would be optimised for quad cores before they became optimised for Cortex A15.
As for the last one, you forgot that ULP Geforce is not superscalar. The GPU cores have to wait for the first instruction to complete before the next one can process, making the process slow as hell. Mali is far more powerful than Tegra (just look at benchmarks), because the GPU cores are far beefier than the Tegra GPU cores, and also because ULP Geforce is based on Fermi cores which are a bit old and slow at this point.
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I facepalmed. Especially at the very first statement.
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Read on Wikipedia more. Krait isn't Cortex A15.
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XxVcVxX said:
Read on Wikipedia more. Krait isn't Cortex A15.
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Its A15 plus Qualcomm enhancements...
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Krait is a custom architecture made by Qualcomm. Its similar to A15, but its not A15, and performance sits between A9 and A15, bit its more power efficient than A15.
Its like Scorpion, where the performance was between A8 and A9.
As for GeForce ULP running with Fermi, you're wrong. Its definitely not Fermi since it still has seperate vertex and pixel cores, so its even before GT200.
Mali-400 is old, and its not beefier than GeForce. Samsung made it up to par by overclocking extensively and forcing 16 bit rendering on the thing. It ****s on GeForce on pixel fill rate, but GeForce ****s on it on vertex output, so its kinda a draw.
Most games run smoother on Mali because most applications on Play Store is optimized for the biggest phone company : Samsung. You can see how Gameloft downright ignored Tegra.
EDIT: The ULP is using NV47
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XxVcVxX said:
Krait is a custom architecture made by Qualcomm. Its similar to A15, but its not A15, and performance sits between A9 and A15, bit its more power efficient than A15.
Its like Scorpion, where the performance was between A8 and A9.
As for GeForce ULP running with Fermi, you're wrong. Its definitely not Fermi since it still has seperate vertex and pixel cores, so its even before GT200.
Mali-400 is old, and its not beefier than GeForce. Samsung made it up to par by overclocking extensively and forcing 16 bit rendering on the thing. It ****s on GeForce on pixel fill rate, but GeForce ****s on it on vertex output, so its kinda a draw.
Most games run smoother on Mali because most applications on Play Store is optimized for the biggest phone company : Samsung. You can see how Gameloft downright ignored Tegra.
EDIT: The ULP is using NV47
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To use slightly crude terms, Qualcomm licensed A15 from ARM, then beat it with sticks until it became more optimised. Qualcomm has a slightly different license from ARM which allows them to take the design by ARM, beat it into shape then sell it.
As for Fermi in Tegra, I was mistaken. I didn't refer to anything, and my offhand memory sucks.
For Mali vs Tegra, refer to this: http://m.gsmarena.com/snapdragon_s4_pro_benchmarked_crushes_older_chipsets-news-4563.php. Look at the benchmark list, particularly GLbenchmark offscreen since its the most relevant.
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To use slightly crude terms, Qualcomm licensed A15 from ARM, then beat it with sticks until it became more optimised. Qualcomm has a slightly different license from ARM which allows them to take the design by ARM, beat it into shape then sell it.
As for Fermi in Tegra, I was mistaken. I didn't refer to anything, and my offhand memory sucks.
For Mali vs Tegra, refer to this: http://m.gsmarena.com/snapdragon_s4_pro_benchmarked_crushes_older_chipsets-news-4563.php. Look at the benchmark list, particularly GLbenchmark offscreen since its the most relevant.
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Its offscreen test, as I have stated before, GeForce is pixel limited, at HD resolutions, it becomes less than Mali, however remember Mali is running at 16 bit.
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XxVcVxX is right.. we have discuss about this in hamdir thread for a long time and if s3 is running 32bit like us.. it just the same as ours..
BTW.. both phone have pros and cons.. so just choose any we,you,he or her like..
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Its offscreen test, as I have stated before, GeForce is pixel limited, at HD resolutions, it becomes less than Mali, however remember Mali is running at 16 bit.
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In offscreen 720p, Mali still (overall) eats Tegra, although what you said is correct, which makes me wrong. Therefore, I accept defeat and bestow my RD status to you
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In offscreen 720p, Mali still (overall) eats Tegra, although what you said is correct, which makes me wrong. Therefore, I accept defeat and bestow my RD status to you
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Lol wut.
I accept this honor, and I thank my friends and family for supporting me, and most of all, I thank pandaball for arguing with me XDXD
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XxVcVxX said:
Lol wut.
I accept this honor, and I thank my friends and family for supporting me, and most of all, I thank pandaball for arguing with me XDXD
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But seriously, thanks. I learnt something, although losing to a stranger in an argument online on my birthday is totally the best way to start my year
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But seriously, thanks. I learnt something, although losing to a stranger in an argument online on my birthday is totally the best way to start my year
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Hell, if I knew you were RD I wouldn't be so aggressive xD
Damned mobile app.
Happy Birthday
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Hey guys, many of you will know that most games you play lack in FPS, most commonly in NFS most wanted or real racing 3, heck ive even see people say Temple run lags.
Some people say, Developers need to make the games work with the 16 core GPU as its not that common.
I looked it up, and it turns out that even though its a 16 core GPU it isnt even nearly as good as the Adreno 320 found in the nexus 4, Xperia Z etc and that the CPU Isnt as good as last years processors ( SD S4 Pro, Nvidia Quad core Tegra 3 )
to be fair I already knew that the Processor wasnt that good, but for anyone who says that their games arent running well its because of that.
I have to give a hand to Huawei though, in there recent firmware updates the benchmark scores have been getting higher, which is great meaning the processor, RAM and GPU are all working a little bit better then they were before.
Im just curious as to how long they can keep updating it to be better, it wont take long until mainstream games require a minimum of the equivalent of the Adreno 330.
Ive also read that the Huawei Ascend P6 + is it? The phablet version will have a better processor clocked at 1.6ghz and maybe a better GPU?
Anyone got any more info? or do games run well enough for you not to care?
Let me know
- Jack
The gaming performance is mixed. See this video: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HH8LskTQQWA
As you can see, some high graphics demanding games work well while others not. I don't game on mobile so didn't try any gaming except two days ago with Shadowgun: deadzone. I use B118. While on the video above, it only complains about glitches on panning, but for me oddly the whole graphics was corrupted and unplayable. Maybe someone with B117 or B116 Roms could check if shadowgun works better.
But I still doubt its a problem with the processor. Because the benchmarks are close to the Nexus 4 and S3. I doubt also there are any games made that would not be compatible with those devices and hence if it can work on that, it should work on the P6. It would take another year atleast before game developers plan to ignore Nexus 4 and Samsung S3.** Hence problem seems to come down to optimization.* (Also, with the shadowgun updating itself a week ago, they have officially said that the new update has problem with all Samsungs devices cause of its GPU and they would come with a fix. This could be the same issue with P6 that these games haven't been made to optimize for Vivante GC 4000.)
Furthermore, I also think that the unique abilities of the Huawei like the 64bit memory etc are not being taken advantage off because of other processors lacking it.
As for news on K3V3 and K3V2 Pro processor and the new P6S, see:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2487791
It's not a good gpu, never has been, it is not optimized for almost anything, because there are only 2 phones that use this gpu. The cpu isnt that fast either. A Nexus 4 (Which costs as much as P6) is way better in performance, support, user customisations, stock rom etc.
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It's not a good gpu, never has been, it is not optimized for almost anything, because there are only 2 phones that use this gpu. The cpu isnt that fast either. A Nexus 4 (Which costs as much as P6) is way better in performance, support, user customisations, stock rom etc.
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The nexus 4 is almost half the price at £159 for the 8gb and the huawei ascend P6 retails at £329 ( although its gone down from £329 too £309 to £279 )
The nexus 4 seems like the better option, ive had one, they're quick, good looking but the battery sucks and so does the camera.
Honestly, the only reason i want a P6 is the amazing build, i want a metal phone so badly ! and apparently the camera isnt half bad
Optimization seems to be the problem. Agreed. But can it be solved by firmware updates ? Or is it totally dependent on game developers ? Android 4.4 brings better optimizations including for games supposedly. So that would be one option im looking forward too. So if android is better optimized maybe soon the super power processors would get tough to differentiate on usage performance and would become less important.
If the GPU is inherently bad, then how can the likes of real racing 3, asphalt 8, modern warfare 4 work perfectly fine on it ?
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If the GPU is inherently bad, then how can the likes of real racing 3, asphalt 8, modern warfare 4 work perfectly fine on it ?
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I just played Asphalt 7 on the P6...lagging in menu's and in gameplay...
Engineers at HUAWEI screwed up a bit when chosing the GPU for otherwise pretty nice chip. While the GPU has an ok performance, since its olny present on very few devices, devs aren't showing much love. This is understandable, because I can see why devs wouldn't want to spend resources on optimizing their app for a GPU noone really has.
Since I don't use my device for gaming, I'm quite satisfied with my purchase.
Performance comparison of the GPU: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2671145379?lp=5027&is_bakan=0&mo_device=1
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Shadowgun: Deadzone works like this on my B118.
Any idea why the green man walking in screen happens ? I get in black too. And odd part is that i have seen users getting this problem when they play temple run even though there are other users including online reviews that find temple run working very smooth and fluid.
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Shadowgun: Deadzone works like this on my B118.
Any idea why the green man walking in screen happens ? I get in black too. And odd part is that i have seen users getting this problem when they play temple run even though there are other users including online reviews that find temple run working very smooth and fluid.
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i have the solution delete cache of the game this is because the game try to save textures in sd card or something like that
Hi, lags in games are because Huawei runs a QEMU'd "Android Emulator" called Goldfish. Its same emulator as used by Android SDK on our computers
They also patched the Kernel for avoid flickering. Witch is needed if using real GPU in Goldfish.
Both in that mix are Horrorful for whole system Performance.
U can see this really bad on Benchmarks and heavy 3D Games.
GPU is faster as Tegra 3 (May about 30%) belive it or not
Traace said:
Hi, lags in games are because Huawei runs a QEMU'd "Android Emulator" called Goldfish. Its same emulator as used by Android SDK on our computers
They also patched the Kernel for avoid flickering. Witch is needed if using real GPU in Goldfish.
Both in that mix are Horrorful for whole system Performance.
U can see this really bad on Benchmarks and heavy 3D Games.
GPU is faster as Tegra 3 (May about 30%) belive it or not
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Yea must say im disappointed with GPU power on my P6 :/. My old SII is better in games :/
Is it really? I have no problem with graphics on it. If I want to play a game I generally use my PC. The P6 plays the little games perfectly.
Even Qualcomms new mid range 1.4ghz quad core processor is getting better antutu scores
http://androidcommunity.com/qualcom...rocessor-aimed-at-mid-range-devices-20131101/
I hope trace is right in that the kernal and so on are messed up by Huawei and hence the Huawei processors underperforming than what it really can. But more than games im actually looking out for the processor doing something special using up its unique capabilities like 64bit memory, more cores, and so on. Thereby allowing features like touchless control and advanced programming capabilities, better user interface performance and better battery management. Phones like Moto x and iPhones seem to perform much advanced even though they don't carry the highest end specs. And I would like such smart performance.
4 part series in-depth look into Vivante GPU:
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/11/vivante-gpu-tech-2d-uis/
Another review:
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Vivante-Challenging-the-Status-Quo-In-Mobile-GPUs/
warea said:
4 part series in-depth look into Vivante GPU:
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/11/vivante-gpu-tech-2d-uis/
Another review:
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Vivante-Challenging-the-Status-Quo-In-Mobile-GPUs/
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Nice.
P6 has 64bit Memory Hardware, but its scaled down to 32bits while processing cause Java cant use
Phone Hardware is a beast even if GPU based on Adreno200. This is 16Core, orginal Adreno200 is 1-2Core.
Dual sim version
Is huawei ascend P6 dual sim version released???
This GPU is really good in physics, better then my wifes optimus g with adreno 320. And if u run YouiLabs Shader Test, adreno wont even start the BALL test. Looks like adreno cant handle it. So this gpu seems be great in shaders and physics.