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At first I thought it was either a fluke, or just not happening, but now I know it definitely is. I can press onscreen keys and buttons without actually touching the screen.
I've seen recently that there is a screen tech that registers hovering fingers but I'm not sure if the ClearPad 2000 hardware can do this. "I'm not sure" meaning "I have no idea."
Interestingly it is affecting the way I type as as I type and skim over onscreen keys, I will sometimes get that "run you finger across a piano" effect. If that's makes sense to people.
I do know that I have a habbit of giving an electric shock to many things and people. Maybe I'm just highly charged and it's affecting the screen???
Is it just me that gets this?
i just had a few try's and i couldn't do it, i had to actually make contact for anything to happen
AFAIK, capacitive touchscreens work by reacting to the natural hand capacitance (i.e. the tiny amounts of electricity stored in your body). Therefore, I suppose it makes sense that different people can have different levels of capacitance.
No doubt someone who knows will be along soon!
Sometimes, the screen can be very sensitive ... and sometimes, you can accidently touch the trackpad.
Yeah, I experienced this issue as well.
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As already mentioned, capacitive screens do not actually register your finger touching the screen, but just the electric field your fingers produce when near to the sensor. The sensor in this case is actually a grid of thin wires spanned across the screen, you can see them when the screen is off and hold the phone at a certain angle to a lightsource.
So, depending on the calibration of the sensor, a finger will get registered even if you just hover over the glass.
No chance to hover and register a touch on mine, albeit when I hold the phone with my normal left-hand grip - my thumb being just above the volume key - it registers as a touch on the screen so a single finger slide doesn't result in a scroll but a zoom in/out. I really can't stand the length of the volume key.
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perhaps its the optical track ball ???? That will do it ... 1cm away from the track area the screen moves. as it should
Nah, for me it's not an issue with accidentally rubbing the optical trackball. Plus I've tested this a number of times. I can hover a finger over the screen and get the screen to respond. So when the keyboard is up, I can type without touching the screen. Seems to work best with my thumbs. And interestingly, my right thumb works "better" (if I can call it that) than my left.
Maybe I am just highly charged. Especially when the weather gets hotter I give a lot more things electrical shocks. I'd better hurry up and get a protective case!
This has happened to me quite a lot. I wasn't entirely sure if just psychic? Hahaha!
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Does it for me all the time, I can hover at a maximum of about 2mm above the screen and it still reacts!!
PaulW21781 said:
Does it for me all the time, I can hover at a maximum of about 2mm above the screen and it still reacts!!
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Conversely I can touch my screen really gently and nothing happens.
poldie said:
Conversely I can touch my screen really gently and nothing happens.
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Yes this how my Desire reacts also, I can very very gently touch the screen without it being registered.
Hey Cleargrey,
I can confirm this behaviour on my Desire. The explenation given by petzlux is also correct.
Friendly regards,
Joost
The force is strong in you, my young padawan!
brrrbaybay said:
Hey Cleargrey,
I can confirm this behaviour on my Desire. The explenation given by petzlux is also correct.
Friendly regards,
Joost
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Thanks. But I prefer to believe I have supreme ethereal powers.
My capacitive touchscreen has been having a pretty odd issue. If I lay the phone on a bed or desk and try to use the touchscreen with only one finger, I get all sorts of weird input on the screen. Then, if I touch the phone casing while repeating the same motion with the same finger (anywhere on the side of the casing or rear panel) the touchscreen works flawlessly.
Right now, my device is sitting on my bed, if I unlock it and try to pull down the notification window shade with just one finger, it's impossible. If I touch the casing with another finger and then try to pull down the shade, it's flawless.
From my understanding, in a capacitive touchscreen, a layer of electrons (ions?) is passed over the screen and a sensor detects where the flow of electrons is interrupted by the electrical conductivity of the human body. It seems that my phone is having issues with the electrons not just flowing over the screen, but around the casing as well, causing issues.
Anyone else experiencing this?
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My capacitive touchscreen has been having a pretty odd issue. If I lay the phone on a bed or desk and try to use the touchscreen with only one finger, I get all sorts of weird input on the screen. Then, if I touch the phone casing while repeating the same motion with the same finger (anywhere on the side of the casing or rear panel) the touchscreen works flawlessly.
Right now, my device is sitting on my bed, if I unlock it and try to pull down the notification window shade with just one finger, it's impossible. If I touch the casing with another finger and then try to pull down the shade, it's flawless.
From my understanding, in a capacitive touchscreen, a layer of electrons (ions?) is passed over the screen and a sensor detects where the flow of electrons is interrupted by the electrical conductivity of the human body. It seems that my phone is having issues with the electrons not just flowing over the screen, but around the casing as well, causing issues.
Anyone else experiencing this?
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This appears to be a significant issues of owners of the HTC Incredible. You might get more useful information in that board, seeing as how they've been experiencing it for much longer than we have.
Wow, the video that they have on the Incredible forums of the phone on the Styrofoam is exactly the same issue I am seeing on my device.
I would link it, but apparently new users aren't allowed links. Ugh, this is a real bummer. Especially since that guy had 2 replacements sent to him, both with the same issues.
I too am experiencing this. I want you to try something a little different. Pull the kickstand out and stand it up on the bed. Then put your finger on the kickstand and you should be able to pull the notification bar down all the way to the bottom and let it lock with your other hand while still keeping the finger on the kickstand. Then take that finger off of the kickstand then slowly bring the notification menu bar back towards the top with your finger. Tell me your results. And i'll let you know if we had the same.
It appears that HTC has got some serious quality control to enforce on their recent devices. At this point, releasing a flagship phone with these issues is nothing short of unacceptable. I'm as big of an HTC fanboy as they come, but I'm really considering switching loyalties to Motorola is this crap continues. It's bad enough being capped at 30fps on the Evo.
If I put my finger on the kickstand I can pull down the notification bar completely, without issue. When I let go and pull the bar up, it works, but looks like it is trailing behind where my finger is by about a half inch, until I get roughly 3/4 of the way up to the top then it passes my finger like i'm not touching the screen anymore.
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When I let go and pull the bar up, it works, but looks like it is trailing behind where my finger is by about a half inch, until I get roughly 3/4 of the way up to the top then it passes my finger like i'm not touching the screen anymore.
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That might be the touch input lag we're experiencing as well. This may be tied to the 30fps graphic limit on the Evo.
The 30 fps limit is disconcerting, but that seems like it is something that could be fixed through firmware, however I doubt this issue is fixable.
Yeah, that's the exact same response I received from it; except when going back up, i reached the 1/2 way point on the screen and the notification bar shot up.
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Yeah, that's the exact same response I received from it; except when going back up, i reached the 1/2 way point on the screen and the notification bar shot up.
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Well this is slightly depressing.
Ugh, my curiosity got the best of me, and the results aren't pretty.
When I lie my Evo down on a flat surface, the notification bar becomes absolutely impossible to pull down unless another finger touches any part of the phone. A test on the multitouch visualizer app shows that the screen completely stops recognizing my finger when y1 is equal to 40. This is essentially the entire height of the notification bar.
This isn't a deal breaker in any way, but what the ****, HTC? Is this how you treat your customers?
On mine, my screen becomes effected as early as y=500, then gets really bad around y=250, then is completely unresponsive after y=100.
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Ugh, my curiosity got the best of me, and the results aren't pretty.
When I lie my Evo down on a flat surface, the notification bar becomes absolutely impossible to pull down unless another finger touches any part of the phone. A test on the multitouch visualizer app shows that the screen completely stops recognizing my finger when y1 is equal to 40. This is essentially the entire height of the notification bar.
This isn't a deal breaker in any way, but what the ****, HTC? Is this how you treat your customers?
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wow, that blows, mine does the bad response -40 thing. holy ****, it's really just one thing after another with these phones...
I guess there is no such thing as a perfect phone no matter how much money, research, and time is invested into it.
I too have this issue, I have noticed occasionally its hard to pull out the notification bar, but when I pick up the phone and pull bar with other hand it works perfect.
For the heck of it I tested my Evo on every surface i could my hands on from glass, to thick carpet, bed sheets, etc, etc. Mine doesn't seem to have this issue, so it's definitely not every phone. If it's a big issue for you, you may want to see about getting it replaced.
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For the heck of it I tested my Evo on every surface i could my hands on from glass, to thick carpet, bed sheets, etc, etc. Mine doesn't seem to have this issue, so it's definitely not every phone. If it's a big issue for you, you may want to see about getting it replaced.
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Thanks for the thoroughness of your test!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kJ_fR02suQ i recorded it so people can see what's going on.
Have any of you contacted Sprint about this? I'd definitely try to get it replaced ASAP if I were you, hopefully the next one won't have this problem.
I spoke with a lady from HTC today and she said that they were aware of the grounding issue before it was released (during training). She didn't say whether it could be fixed or not though.
mine works perfectly fine i just tested it right now
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So this is my second S3 with an identical proximity sensor problem (phones are/were both completely stock) - hold it to your ear and the screen blanks like it should but lower it so you can enter a keypad number (like for voicemail) and the damn screen shuts off as soon as your finger comes near it! WTH? This is insanely frustrating but I haven't read of it happening to others nor did Telus tech support. Am I the only one to have this happen to (twice)?
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So this is my second S3 with an identical proximity sensor problem (phones are/were both completely stock) - hold it to your ear and the screen blanks like it should but lower it so you can enter a keypad number (like for voicemail) and the damn screen shuts off as soon as your finger comes near it! WTH? This is insanely frustrating but I haven't read of it happening to others nor did Telus tech support. Am I the only one to have this happen to (twice)?
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When you hold the phone down from your ear, putting your hand/fingers anywhere near the top part of the phone will cause the screen to turn off. The sensor is just to the right of the speaker, to the left of the front facing camera. It can be a bit frustrating at times, but just taking your time and making sure not to go too close to it is pretty much all you can do.
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When you hold the phone down from your ear, putting your hand/fingers anywhere near the top part of the phone will cause the screen to turn off. The sensor is just to the right of the speaker, to the left of the front facing camera. It can be a bit frustrating at times, but just taking your time and making sure not to go too close to it is pretty much all you can do.
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This just seems a bit crazy to me. Some of the numbers I need to enter for my voicemail password include those that are on the top row of the keypad which is apparently close enough to the sensor to trigger it and blank the screen. I guess that explains why I have better luck with the numbers on the bottom keypad row. So the only thing I can do is hold the phone on the very bottom and very carefully slowly reach up with a finger and very gently tap one of those top-row numbers? That just seems too bizarre to be true - but I'll try it.
Hm, ive never had mine do this while typing. It does turn off if I put my finger up there but I've only done that on purpose, to test it. Never blacked out the screen on accident. Makes me wonder how differently you hold your phone than I, or maybe your proximity sensor is much more sensitive.
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I don't think I hold the phone in any unusual way, I just hold it around the middle with my left hand and use the index finger of right hand to (try) and enter a keypad number. Sometimes (maybe about 1/2 the time) it works without an issue but when it decides to turn off the screen it can take me many tries before I am finally able to enter the complete 4 digit code. Just can't understand why any phone would be designed this way. If it's an overly sensitive proximity sensor I could understand that - but this is the second phone I've had with the exact same issue. I now try to not hold the phone to my ear at all but use the speaker function instead.
So far my new zenwatch has been great. However, I have noticed in a couple apps such as Multi Calculator for wear, that buttons at the bottom like . and at the top like ac/c don't respond very well. Then I noticed that throughout the entire watch interface, the top and bottom 1/4 of the screen (not the bezel) are entirely unresponsive to touch. I wanted to see if this was a defect or possibly a byproduct of that curved glass not allowing the capacitive sensor to extend beyond that middle portion of the screen. Does anyone else notice this?
I've mostly been marking it up to bad aim on my part but it seems to me that I often miss touches in the upper right corner. Too soon to tell if it's the watch or just my shakiness.
Yeah I thought my aim was off too. Try dragging from the top on the watch face screen. You'll notice it actually starts to pull it down a few millimeters from the top. I was hoping it was a defect so I could just exchange it but my fear is that they all do it and it is not fixable via software.
I agree that the first couple of millimeters of the actual screen don't respond but nowhere near 1/4 of it.
I notice this on my zenwatch after using an lg g watch, g watch r and moto 360 all side by side. The zenwatch also seams less accurate on thing nlike minuum keyboard and generally with scrolling. I suspect a cheaper less accurate digitizer has been used?
On mine I can hit the topmost part of the screen, the bottom, and all corners. I turned on "Show touches" in the developer options to make sure it registers where im touching. If you test it that way, you can see if its a defective screen or just accuracy issues.
Forget all the "you need to not press hard" bull****, it's way simpler than that.
Register your finger while holding the phone in one hand, position your fingerprint on the sensor exactly as you would casually, keep registering it that way, from a limited position on a one handed held.
If you do a "proper" registering process of your fingers from artificial positions just because you think it helps the sensor, it won't work, even minimal changes in your finger shape will make it generate different keys that will not match a real life press.
I registered my fingers from positions I would practically use to unlock later on, the success rate is now 100% as long as I don't miss the sensor on dark screen, no matter the pressure or the time you hold your finger on the sensor, it will now work every single time
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Forget all the "you need to not press hard" bull****, it's way simpler than that.
Register your finger while holding the phone in one hand, position your fingerprint on the sensor exactly as you would casually, keep registering it that way, from a limited position on a one handed held.
If you do a "proper" registering process of your fingers from artificial positions just because you think it helps the sensor, it won't work, even minimal changes in your finger shape will make it generate different keys that will not match a real life press.
I registered my fingers from positions I would practically use to unlock later on, the success rate is now 100% as long as I don't miss the sensor on dark screen, no matter the pressure or the time you hold your finger on the sensor, it will now work every single time
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I tend to agree with you. I registered both right and left thumbs and they both work on command. No 2nd or 3rd attempts yet. Just register the thumbs like you would naturally hold them on the screen(flat).
I also feel like the fingerprint scanner icon is a bit misleading, given the fact that the sensorbis actually above the actual icon
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Forget all the "you need to not press hard" bull****, it's way simpler than that.
Register your finger while holding the phone in one hand, position your fingerprint on the sensor exactly as you would casually, keep registering it that way, from a limited position on a one handed held.
If you do a "proper" registering process of your fingers from artificial positions just because you think it helps the sensor, it won't work, even minimal changes in your finger shape will make it generate different keys that will not match a real life press.
I registered my fingers from positions I would practically use to unlock later on, the success rate is now 100% as long as I don't miss the sensor on dark screen, no matter the pressure or the time you hold your finger on the sensor, it will now work every single time
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But when I try to casually tap the screen to register fingerprint naturally, it won't register, keeps saying press harder or hold longer
Or register the same finger twice.. That's the better solution
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But when I try to casually tap the screen to register fingerprint naturally, it won't register, keeps saying press harder or hold longer
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The tap needs a certain amount of pressure, not too light either
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Forget all the "you need to not press hard" bull****, it's way simpler than that.
Register your finger while holding the phone in one hand, position your fingerprint on the sensor exactly as you would casually, keep registering it that way, from a limited position on a one handed held.
If you do a "proper" registering process of your fingers from artificial positions just because you think it helps the sensor, it won't work, even minimal changes in your finger shape will make it generate different keys that will not match a real life press.
I registered my fingers from positions I would practically use to unlock later on, the success rate is now 100% as long as I don't miss the sensor on dark screen, no matter the pressure or the time you hold your finger on the sensor, it will now work every single time
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Same, and i registered the finger I'm going to be using most twice. Registered casually and from a natural position. I think mine has failed to unlock maybe 3 times in a week. In this case...keep it simple don't over think it.
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I noticed when the screen is off in dark mode and u take a flashlight on a angle of the screen i noticed the sensor is like a U shape just slighty to the left of the finger print icon, now that i kinda setup my finger print just a tat left og the finger print icon its been 100 procent i also noticed moist fingers work better . i could be wrong about it being a sensor but the U shape i think would be the sensor
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I noticed when the screen is off in dark mode and u take a flashlight on a angle of the screen i noticed the sensor is like a U shape just slighty to the left of the finger print icon, now that i kinda setup my finger print just a tat left og the finger print icon its been 100 procent i also noticed moist fingers work better . i could be wrong about it being a sensor but the U shape i think would be the sensor
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You don't need to move your finger away, the sensing part of the sensor is perfectly aligned in the middle
New update on firmware.Science for snapdragon. SBA TO SD3. Made a world of difference for me. Can't wait for my replacement Whitestone to get here to see if sensor works any better with tempered glass. This update absolutely made a huge difference. Not slightly, very significant change for me. I register both thumbs twice and I couldn't get it to not unlock every time. 50+ unlocks and maybe 2 failures. I stopped counting at 50.
Will it work on verizon or only unlocked?
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im on ASC8 firmware on the G9750 10+ and its terrible. hopefully an update comes soon..
Mine has been pretty much perfect since the new firmware update.
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nugzo said:
New update on firmware.Science for snapdragon. SBA TO SD3. Made a world of difference for me. Can't wait for my replacement Whitestone to get here to see if sensor works any better with tempered glass. This update absolutely made a huge difference. Not slightly, very significant change for me. I register both thumbs twice and I couldn't get it to not unlock every time. 50+ unlocks and maybe 2 failures. I stopped counting at 50.
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I'm waiting on my Whitestone replacement as well. Can you keep us informed on how the sensor works with your new install? I had to pull the last one. It was horrible. I miss my glass...
The problem for me and many people is that when the finger being scanned is dry, scanning won't work (and will be asked to "press harder"). Some people then try to press really hard and it will, forever, say "not match".
People with moisted fingers will not have this problem and will not understand the kind of people I mentioned above. Since I have S10+ for a month, I, kind of, know when the scanning will not work. I will use face scanning instead or if I really want to scan my finger with whatever reason, I just rub my nose with my thumb then it will 100% work (greasy nose does the trick).
I don't know if Samsung can ever fix this since it is not how accurate the reader is.
Dry fingers don't work with the fps even when removing the pre-installed screen protector?
I am debating to remove the screen protector and my main points are:
1. The protection offered by the pre installed screen protector is minimal either way.
2. That the screen colors and usage will become much better.
3. That the fps will work much better even with dry fingers due to the oleophovic coat of the screen.
Has anyone who removed the screen protector tested this?
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Dry fingers don't work with the fps even when removing the pre-installed screen protector?
I am debating to remove the screen protector and my main points are:
1. The protection offered by the pre installed screen protector is minimal either way.
2. That the screen colors and usage will become much better.
3. That the fps will work much better even with dry fingers due to the oleophovic coat of the screen.
Has anyone who removed the screen protector tested this?
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I removed mine yesterday and it does help a little with the fps. I still don't like the fps though, I would much rather have a Face ID equivalent. Or have the fps on the back.
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I'm waiting on my Whitestone replacement as well. Can you keep us informed on how the sensor works with your new install? I had to pull the last one. It was horrible. I miss my glass...
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I had reached out to Whitestone because my first install failed. I had the WSD on my s9+ and went through 5 or 6 in the year (I dropped my phone a lot). So I knew what I was doing, but the first try had a huge bubble. Tried doing the cleaning and reinstall with the backup glue and had a bunch of microscopic bubbles in the top and bottom (guessing I didn't clean it well enough before reinstall). I wasn't sure how to register warrenty wise because technically it worked fine, just was having FPS issues. They ended up replacing without me paying for the shipping which was awesome of them.
Recieved my replacement today, and the install is flawless. One thing to note is on the 10+ the absorb pads hook into the top tray not the bottom (that was a hell of a mess the first time). The original kit didn't come with the pads pre-installed like the replacement kit.
I haven't even gotten the latest OTA yet, and with the WSD glass, it's just as quick and success rate is the same as when I had the pre-installed protector. Might even be faster than my s9+ was...