I had a discussion today with a moderator about religious expression in signatures. I asked him if it was ok for people to express religious beliefs in their signatures. He told me that it was allowed as long as it didn't offend anyone.
But isn't that a strange approach on the matter? Anyone can be offended by anything. It's completely subjective. For example:
I wouldn't be allowed to put in my signature "God does not exist" because it will probably offend someone. But other people are allowed to put in their signature "God exist". Do you see the point i'm trying to make? It's completely subjective.
When you look at the forum rules it states the following:
"2.4 Personal attacks, racial, political and / or religious discussions: XDA is a discussion forum about certain mobile phones. Mobile phones are not racial, political, religious or personally offensive and therefore, none of these types of discussions are permitted on XDA."
Now that's an objective rule on religious discussion. Why shouldn't it also apply on signatures? Why can't I open a thread for religious beliefs but It's alright to put the same text in my signature.
Shouldn't XDA be a place to discuss mobile phones and not a place to discus/express religious beliefs? In my opinion it should. When I am browsing the forum I want to look at information about mobile phones, not about how good someones god is.
I am opening this thread because I see more and more religious expressions in signatures. Definitely more then a few years ago.
XDA is a place to talk mobile phones not express religious beliefs.
Anything questionable should be reported and it will be reviewed. It sounds like that's what you did, so that particular case was likely OK.
But as a rule, religion and politics discussion has no place on a development website, hence the rule. We're all here to play with our devices, and from all over the world... Anything not related to mobile Development, that could cause drama, should be left at the coat check when we enter the site.
But remember, as with everything in life, There's many shades of grey. (far more than 50!)
***Edited slightly to add the word "discussion." :good: Key word I forgot.
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I had a discussion today with a moderator about religious expression in signatures. I asked him if it was ok for people to express religious beliefs in their signatures. He told me that it was allowed as long as it didn't offend anyone.
But isn't that a strange approach on the matter? Anyone can be offended by anything. It's completely subjective. For example:
I wouldn't be allowed to put in my signature "God does not exist" because it will probably offend someone. But other people are allowed to put in their signature "God exist". Do you see the point i'm trying to make? It's completely subjective.
When you look at the forum rules it states the following:
"2.4 Personal attacks, racial, political and / or religious discussions: XDA is a discussion forum about certain mobile phones. Mobile phones are not racial, political, religious or personally offensive and therefore, none of these types of discussions are permitted on XDA."
Now that's an objective rule on religious discussion. Why shouldn't it also apply on signatures? Why can't I open a thread for religious beliefs but It's alright to put the same text in my signature.
Shouldn't XDA be a place to discuss mobile phones and not a place to discus/express religious beliefs? In my opinion it should. When I am browsing the forum I want to look at information about mobile phones, not about how good someones god is.
I am opening this thread because I see more and more religious expressions in signatures. Definitely more then a few years ago.
XDA is a place to talk mobile phones not express religious beliefs.
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No need to open a thread, if you feel there is something to be addressed on a Members signature report it and or send me a PM. And you can send a PM to any Senior Moderator.
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I would be more happy about xda-developers if the forum rules would require users to stay free from political and religious expressions in both their threads, replies and in signatures. I don´t want to read about Jesus, God, Allah nor about how bad capitalism is. This is tech site after all?
Rule 2.4 - Personal attacks, racial, political and / or religious discussions: XDA is a discussion forum about certain mobile phones. Mobile phones are not racial, political, religious or personally offensive and therefore, none of these types of discussions are permitted on XDA.
@ondrejvaroscak, the text above is copied directly from the Forum Rules here at XDA. I personally believe that this is as far as the XDA higher-ups need to go in terms of anti-religion and/or politics.
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Rule 2.4 - Personal attacks, racial, political and / or religious discussions: XDA is a discussion forum about certain mobile phones. Mobile phones are not racial, political, religious or personally offensive and therefore, none of these types of discussions are permitted on XDA.
@ondrejvaroscak, the text above is copied directly from the Forum Rules here at XDA. I personally believe that this is as far as the XDA higher-ups need to go in terms of anti-religion and/or politics.
Discussions with either of these topics can be reported using the small triangle with the exclamation point inside it and they will be removed.
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Ok than. The think is at least for me that it does not to have be necessarily discussions. Many users I have seen have their political/religious messages in their signatures... Thank you for pointing me to the rules, I should have been able to find it myself
ondrejvaroscak said:
Ok than. The think is at least for me that it does not to have be necessarily discussions. Many users I have seen have their political/religious messages in their signatures... Thank you for pointing me to the rules, I should have been able to find it myself
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I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this - mods would take it on a case by case basis. If you find something you think violates site rules, feel free to report them and the mods will handle it.
It's important to keep in mind that just because you are offended (by whatever it is, I am not sure what it is in this case) doesn't necessarily make it against site rules, but a mod will be better able to judge it with a particular example.
Also note you can turn off signatures in your control panel if you don't want to see them. Edit Options > Thread Display Options > Visible Post Elements > Uncheck "Show Signatures"
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I've seen that TWRP development for our device has stopped getting updates since a couple months ago, even though there are a lot of problems yet to solve, and huge stability issues, will it ever be restarted again?
there's no pay for the developer, if you want get more supports, you can pay him, and the twrp need more test and time
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Darkaeluz said:
I've seen that TWRP development for our device has stopped getting updates since a couple months ago, even though there are a lot of problems yet to solve, and huge stability issues, will it ever be restarted again?
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yep seems like ded. best would be to use recovery like lineage with adb sideload support
m0lly. said:
yep seems like ded. best would be to use recovery like lineage with adb sideload support
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huntersun said:
Nebrassy's twrp Official soon:
https://gerrit.twrp.me/c/twrpme/+/4509
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Check your facts @m0lly.
zhyylz0201 said:
there's no pay for the developer, if you want get more supports, you can pay him, and the twrp need more test and time
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I was asking a question, ...
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Even though enthusiasm for knowledge I do not lack, my present condition does not allow me to embark in so fulfilling journey at the moment.
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Darkaeluz said:
I've seen that TWRP development for our device has stopped getting updates since a couple months ago, even though there are a lot of problems yet to solve, and huge stability issues, will it ever be restarted again?
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At the moment using unofficial Twrp is not the wright way to install custom roms. There are some good Twrp as Nebrassy's project, I've tried it to install a lot of roms and is very good. Waiting for Nebrassy official and stable release, I recommend you to use official LOS recovery using adb sideload.
Kalamaius said:
At the moment using unofficial Twrp is not the wright way to install custom roms. There are some good Twrp as Nebrassy's project, I've tried it to install a lot of roms and is very good. Waiting for Nebrassy official and stable release, I recommend you to use official LOS recovery using adb sideload.
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I'll just wait for an official release, trying to switch from one ROM to another and always having to format data is annoying, wish that can get fixed on a future update
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Thanks for your hard work!