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[REQ] Evo Bluetooth compatibility with PS3

I found a few old (and dead) threads on the subject, but I wanted to start a new one now that there are a lot more Evo owners out there who may help keep this going. Feel free to bump this and maybe we can get some support from the devs by demonstrating this will be worth their while.
I have read that the phone was not loaded with a proper Bluetooth stack making the Evo incompatible with several Bluetooth devices out there; the PS3 being one of them. I don't know how accurate that is, or if there are more underlying issues which prevent my requests from being plausible. With that said, here is a list of things I would be interested in:
1) Instead of paying $20 for the Blu-Ray remote for the PS3, I'd rather pay for an app that can control the basic functions of the PS3's media player. Me, personally, I don't like using the PS3 controller for video playback AT ALL. Also, it'd be one less remote to have in the house if I can use my phone instead of Sony's remote.
2) Use my phone as a headset. I cannot stand having an earpiece or headphones on for longer than a few minutes. If I could just pair my phone to the PS3 with a speaker phone option during online gaming, that would be LOVELY.
3) The most obvious one is being able to use the phone as a keyboard instead of buying the keypad that attaches to the PS3 controller. I do have the keypad, but I would put it on eBay in a split second if I were able to do it with my phone.
I'm sure there are some other things people have thought of that would be handy. Feel free to PM me anything else you may want to be able to do and I will gladly add it to the OP. Hopefully there are enough people out there interested in this so as to warrant the devs taking the time to figure this out. Honestly, I do not have the time to maintain a bounty thread, and it is not my intention to start one. However, I will say that I will make a $50 donation to anyone who can get this to work, as that is how much the Blu-Ray remote and keypad cost me on eBay. I am confident that I will not be the only one who donates, but again, this is not a bounty thread and will not be treated as such. If you say you will donate and one of the devs comes through, please keep your word and make your donation.
Mods: My apologies if anything I posted here is outside of the guidelines of this forum; feel free to call me out on any changes I should make.
Thanks in advance to all the devs, mods and forum members for your support on this.

sounds like a good idea, but also sounds far away from become a reality

HOPE THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENS
Sent from my Evo 4G using a tooth pick

b_allert said:
sounds like a good idea, but also sounds far away from become a reality
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Our phones can already work as remotes for certain applications, which leads me to believe it can be done by someone with the knowledge and (more importantly) the drive. With apps like Gmote 2.0 already on the market, I don't see why not. I have a Samsung Bluetooth ear piece that pairs to my PS3, and it is 2-3 years old, at least. Why can't the phone do it?
Maybe an app isn't even necessary. Maybe it can be a flashable file that just adds Bluetooth info to whatever is on the phone.

I'm pretty sure this is possible. +1
Devs will correct me if I am wrong.

I love this idea. Id throw in 20 if its workable.
And another twenty if I could use my phone as a tv remote.
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Well, now that a root method was found for Evoers with 2.2, maybe this thread will be more successful.

almost over a year old. Ill throw 10$ into a pool to get this working.

[Q] Pre-loading/pushing files to multiple devices

My organization is holding our tri-annual convention in a few months, and we're going to be purchasing Kindle Fires for everyone in attendance--approximately 800 people. Our IT staff is a horrifying combination of nonexistent/incompetent, and I'm the only one around with any real knowledge of the Android OS. As such, I'm forced to take the lead on this project.
Anyway, before I jump in, I figured I'd ask the experts here a couple question. If I purchase 800 devices from Amazon, is there any way that I can order them pre-loaded with an particular app? We're working with an outside entity to develop an app, which will be ready for roll-out at the convention. Rather than having everyone download it from the Amazon Appstore, I was hoping we could have the .apk on there already. Is this something that can be arranged, and does anyone have experience working with Amazon on this?
In the same vein, we will probably need to push documents to the devices each morning (convention proceedings, primarily). Is there a practical way to push files to hundreds of Kindles from a single, central source?
I know I can probably talk to Amazon tech support about this stuff, but I was hoping to go into the conversation with some idea of what to expect. Thanks in advance!

[Q] Fire TV Question?

OK, this is a OLD subject? Does anyone have any idea why Amazon insists on ruining a perfectly good product by disabling external storage? 8 gig is useless when downloading multiple games? I am on metered Internet so downloading multiple times from the Cloud is not a option?
I know there are mods to correct this but it seems a awful amount of trouble for something that it should support to start with? I am probably preaching to the choir thought as support does not seem to have any feedback on the issue at Amazon?
Been waiting patiently for a replacement product to come out ......maybe Google??

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OK, this is a OLD subject? Does anyone have any idea why Amazon insists on ruining a perfectly good product by disabling external storage? 8 gig is useless when downloading multiple games? I am on metered Internet so downloading multiple times from the Cloud is not a option?
I know there are mods to correct this but it seems a awful amount of trouble for something that it should support to start with? I am probably preaching to the choir thought as support does not seem to have any feedback on the issue at Amazon?
Been waiting patiently for a replacement product to come out ......maybe Google??
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Well, it's made for people to use with Amazon stuff, like Prime, it's App store, so on. You know, online stuff. So why the stupid choice of not having an external SD slot isn't that hard to understand. It's made for streaming online content mostly.
Now, thanks to the great hackers and programmers of the world (and this site) you can put stuff on external storage. For instance, I used an external usb flashdrive to put stuff on, via foldermount.
I would check out the posts on this site, some great guides to get you information about these subjects.

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Well, it's made for people to use with Amazon stuff, like Prime, it's App store, so on. You know, online stuff. So why the stupid choice of not having an external SD slot isn't that hard to understand. It's made for streaming online content mostly.
Now, thanks to the great hackers and programmers of the world (and this site) you can put stuff on external storage. For instance, I used an external usb flashdrive to put stuff on, via foldermount.
I would check out the posts on this site, some great guides to get you information about these subjects.
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Thanks, as much as I hate to admit you are correct! This just makes the product not practical for people who are metered on usage? They want you to use this as a gaming device but give you no way to store more than a few? Many would not have the knowledge or patience to perform the mods? I myself have not rooted but have loaded XBMC and Playcast. It's a dual edge sword use my bandwidth to download or stream? I to am most grateful to the people who take the time to allow us to enjoy the Fire TV's true potential!

Rumor has it that this is a non issue in the latest firmware, but will likely have to wait for that to be rooted or that functionality to be backported.

Will Lollipop bring more development?

That title sounds like a prediction/speculation but honestly its just curiousity. If aftv gets lollipop is it likely to attract more developers?
I know its been said the in terms of development aftv was a letdown but think its still a very popular set top box. And if it wasnt for Geohot's root and rbox's just about everything else, this box wouldn't be modified at all.
But is the reason for that jellybean or Amazon's security or maybe a combination of both? Its just weird so many phones and tablets to choose from with all sorts of custom ROMs yet aftv was one of the only good choices for android based TV boxes yet very few developers were moved.

I'd call it a bit of a loaded question. If/when AFTV goes to Lollipop that will make it easier for Android devs to support or continue supporting AFTV along with other Android devices in general. So no, it's not going to attract more devs for AFTV only games/apps but yes more devs will make AFTV versions of their apps. Android 4 isn't THAT old and it's still fairly well supported, so I'd say it's more a case of moving to Lollipop before devs start abandoning it more than a case of attracting new devs. Of course this is just all my take, call it a guess or just speculation.

There is no way of knowing if more developers will work on the Fire TV if and when its upgraded. There is no way of even knowing how many developers have even tried to do things with the Fire TV. The one thing you are sure to see is a new influx of root talk once the Fire TV is upgraded to android 4.4, but if they are not able to accomplish root, that talk will die down quickly. I think some people are not realizing that the reason you do not see a lot of custom things for the Fire TV is because Amazon is winning the battle. Amazon has won the rooting battle, which turns a lot of people off to the Fire TV. In winning the rooting battle they have been able to keep the Fire TV the way they intended it to be. Sure you can run a launcher, but unless you are rooted, which most are not, then you are stuck with a black background on most lunchers, not to mention all the other things you cannot do unless you are rooted. There are a lot of people that think if they are not able to have root than the device is not worth it. I think that is part of why the Fire TV has not seen a lot of custom mods. To see what I mean just read the AT&T Galaxy Note 4 forums and you will see how many people talked about returning it just because it could not be rooted. They acted like the Galaxy note 4 was not worth a cent just because they could not root it. Amazon really has the Fire TV locked down right now and some people find it boring. This is what happens when smart company like Amazon stays on top of their product and takes measures to stop people from hacking it. The only other mainstream set top device that was never hacked or had very liitle customizations is the Apple TV 3, but the difference is that Apple has followers that will buy their products regardless, while I think if Amazon came out with a Fire TV 2 they would have people waiting to see if it was rootable before they buy it. Nobody wants to believe it, but Amazn has won thus far against devs hacking their device. A clear cut win for Amazon.

I'd say 95% of FireTV owners don't even care about root.
It's open enough as it is for most. We are a niche.

I figured itd be a tough thing to predict. However, to me this is a weird device in the android world. For awhile it was the only good choice in set top boxes (performance&price) and i dont think it was amazon's secure nature that impeded development. Root was achieved just a couple of months after its release and amazon didnt break root right away. I dont know the exact numbers but id say theres quite a few rooted aftvs in circulation. Phones are obviously more popular but you have soo many choices there. My gut says things will more or less remain static for aftv development but the why puzzles me a little. Guess it matters less and less. I hate amazon's insistence on control but cant complain about what theyve done recently. Overall, im happy with it and if that changes we now have good alternatives like nvidia shield.

[Q] HDMI to Component/audio

I am trying to connect a FireTv box to an older 70" XBR Sony TV with only DVI and component inputs. Can someone direct me what would I need to make this work. Thank you

Nope, because it gets boring pretty quick.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-tv/general/fire-tv-hdmi-to-vga-converter-t3116404
What you didnt do so far.
Look on page 2 of this forum.
Search Amazon for HDMI to component.
Ask how hdcp is handled.
So get your answers from the thread I linked to instead.
Also at some point dragging along people that still dont have HDMI ports gets too bothersome. I dont care how much you spent back then - if people in third world markets have adopted a standard you still are scrambling with, something is very wrong. 70" wasnt economical back then (dont care), and now you want a cheap solution for a problem almost no one else has. Which also isnt economical (from a different POV, and now I care) right now. It will always be a cheap solution, because there is no market for it. Amazingly this means - that there are no consumer grade "brand" products. Amazingly this might also correlate with the fact that you have to strip DRM in order for it to work. Amazingly this means - this just doubled the unlikelyhood for there being branded products.
tldr to is it possible - yes. Even with the copy protection problem.
Translation: Hi - I want illegal, cheap, eastern market converters to degrade my video signal, or strip the audio from the HDMI chain - to facilitate the use of my 10+ year old TV which cost me a small fortune back then. Who is the expert here - that can solve this (partly industry created - see DRM) problem for me? For free.
No, no - thank you.
Chop, chop. Even though Radioshack has gone bankrupt, because the middle of society has turned to the internet to ask their very specific case problem questions - this still doest make this Radioshack. You see - the people you would ask before did get paid to listen to your very interesting case problem, then sell you a gadget. You had value to them, regardless of what you said, because you were a sales target. Question in return, what value do you bring to this forum - with this question?
Especially to those experts who surly would want to help you with your problem.
What you need is an IBM service rep. IBM, where you buy overpriced electronic solutions that will last you for decades. Hint - those are the guys with pocket protectors in a company suit, that still occupy the mental spot of "what electronics as a field is" to probably the majority of an aging society.

Wow! what a lecture for a simple question and BTW I did not ask you (in special) for any illegal options.

And after the rant:
http://www.amazon.com/E-More®-Conve...pebp=1435681310873&perid=0H04E8YTJV3JE9B58KMG
DVI is the better solution, since the video signal doest have to be touched.
Does it work? It should (educated assessment), but I dont care. Is there something better? There is no comparative level also no one would be interested in finding out at that point. Could there be a problem when I... Yes.
Did you really just use the amazon search for me? Yes.
At this point we can stop it - short, but hopefully not entirely uneventful.
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@bula1ca: Thats the entire problem - you did (ask for an illegal solution).
You just dont care about any of the ramification, about whose support we are "playing" here, about who created the issues along the way (DRM which requires an illegal solution, but dont threat, amazon will gladly sell you one), about prolonging certain behavior models, about what a community is, about what motivates it - and what behavior actually destroys it and so forth
This is the prototypical example of being ignorant (part of that also includes not knowing how exactly) and in the end still getting an answer out of it. You did - but hopefully it wasnt entirely painless.
In short - the industry has abandoned you, some of the problems you are facing are industry created, there is no popular interest whatsoever in answering your question, you didnt bring anything to the table (searching, asking the right questions), your electronics buying and usecycles are adding to the problem and you are mistaking a forum for a support site. Also you want free. Thank you.
So at what point would we both find it easier to ignore this question entirely and behave like it didnt happen? And at what point would this discourage others from, in a very distinct way, abusing this platform?
This is the only cause I'm putting this much effort into answering it. To make people like you realize, that if you treat communities like a zero sum game that do your bidding (Hey, I just searched amazon for you! Doesnt that make you feel grand?), you dont do any of us any good.
If you are ignorant to whats causing problems ("Those hackers will always crack DRM!" "Pirates are bad, mkay") - this causes additional problems in the long run. You have managed to get this far without thinking about DRM. Congratulation - but maybe this should change.
Also - I write fast.
edit: As a further notice, if the solution linked to above doesnt work, the DRM on the FIre TV is to new. Is it? Well, find out. Do some research.

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I am trying to connect a FireTv box to an older 70" XBR Sony TV with only DVI and component inputs. Can someone direct me what would I need to make this work. Thank you
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Before I upgraded my amplifier, I did something similar.
This cable will get you from HDMI-out to DVI-in without any perceptible loss in picture quality. I'd offer my old one for the asking, but it's huge and they're cheap. That takes care of the video.
For the audio, you'll need something like this. I used it because my old amp had optical inputs but no HDMI switching. As with the cable, you can have it for the asking, but I'd recommend getting a newer one. The first gen ran hot and the LEDs are blindingly bright (easily fixed with electrical tape ) But if your old TV has optical inputs, you'd be set.
If your old TV doesn't have optical audio inputs (most only have outputs), it's time to start thinking about HTiB or Home Theater in-a-Box. You can have all my old stuff, but by the time you've paid for the shipping, you can get something newer and shinier.
P.S. Try to ignore the trolls. Eventually, they will get bored and go back to the sandbox.

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Before I upgraded my amplifier, I did something similar.
This cable will get you from HDMI-out to DVI-in without any perceptible loss in picture quality. I'd offer my old one for the asking, but it's huge and they're cheap. That takes care of the video.
For the audio, you'll need something like this. I used it because my old amp had optical inputs but no HDMI switching. As with the cable, you can have it for the asking, but I'd recommend getting a newer one. The first gen ran hot and the LEDs are blindingly bright (easily fixed with electrical tape ) But if your old TV has optical inputs, you'd be set.
If your old TV doesn't have optical audio inputs (most only have outputs), it's time to start thinking about HTiB or Home Theater in-a-Box. You can have all my old stuff, but by the time you've paid for the shipping, you can get something newer and shinier.
P.S. Try to ignore the trolls. Eventually, they will get bored and go back to the sandbox.
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Thanks much appreciated, LOL. I had it hocked up with a HDMI to DVI cable (used for my cable box) however I had a very choppy picture when any video played. This box is the basement very close to the router and should not be a wifi problem. BTW I even plugged in a cable direct from my router and no difference in video quality. My 1st unit on the 2nd floor and plays without any issues.

"Something like this" is also stripping HDCP - so it is in fact the same solution (HDMI goes into a powered black box, ...). With a unnecessary switch added to it. And you made him/her buy an additional cable that arguably isnt needed. (But thats a minor thing.)
When people would at least be surface educated about DRM (HDCP) in this case "just strip it out using these fine products you find on Amazon" wouldnt be an acceptable answer.
Still there is a faction that thinks that we should ignore that, and find it totally normal that we have to point to illegal applications to solve legacy problems, that this is our function on XDA - and please do that politely and mostly silent - because thats what good product support does. Please be so understanding and you get a LOL out of it in return - for your efforts.
I dont see myself as a product support kind of type. Much.
I have different interests - like talking about issues, when they are so obvious. They cant be ignored.
Luckily some are still willing in assisting you in "buying them away". There is just a little problem to it. There is no guarantee that this will work after the next revision of HDMI, or the one after, or the one...
And as we have established, no one is willing to educate, search, or reflect on the issue at hand.
I insist, that the OP is more of a troll than I ever was, not intentionally, but in effect.
Thank you to everyone participating - especially the members of this community that still think skipping the "learning something" part and getting right to the product endorsement was what was needed in this case.
Also, thats just the "ignoring DRM" part. The selfentitlement in not finding out anything about where the problems lie, and how to circumvent them (thread was on page 2) is an entire different chapter. I've covered that one as well.

That is enough. No need for you ignorance and sarcasm to a simple question.
When did I request any support from you?
I asked a simple question. Do you really think it is OK with Sony building all these TVs and now we are left behind with no support?
That is the only reason we are looking for a solution so give us a break and go find someone else to irritate with your stupid remarks.

Thanks for the flavor text.
HDMI and DVi are entirely digital. A choppy image that is caused by the signal connection from the box to the screen is basically impossible (maybe after 50 feet of cable, but still - *neh*). But it surly isnt the wifi. Why even look at the player cache?
When flavor text is used to "simulate" being "technically interested" it changes the entire mood of the situation. Im always appreciative of that one as well.
But thank you for mirroring the "being ignorrant" mantra on to me.
My reaction was animated - but it is justified.
If you can find someone that is willing to give you a product endorsement, you win.
You had little to no effort opening this thread, the other person had little effort answering the question. You learned nothing and no expertise was needed. ("i found that on amazon" was successfully transfered from one person to another) Thats minimal effort, no harm done - maybe the wrong forum, but who cares.
And tomorrow two of you follow.
edit: As for the question "are you ok with this being Sonys fault and us not getting any support from them". Again - your question basically is a paid support question ("dosnt work with what I bought"). You get no support from Sony, because the screen at this point is over 10 years old, or was sold as a professional screen, produced not with consumer devices in mind. Understand that. Companies factor in support, they pay for it, and after a few years, you cant get it anymore. Also, it isnt Sonys fault, because the push towards HDMI always was at least "accompanied" by content provider interests. Your problem to the largest extend is a DRM problem and not a compatibility problem. Solving the DRM problem requires illegal solutions. That are openly sold on amazon (lets not talk about that) - so amazon can profit from it, but we should solve it for you, right?
In addition you havent read up on the problem behind your issue, have bought the hdmi/dvi cable that doesnt solve it for you (but you can now buy a switch for that will strip HDCP), and way back when bought a 70" screen with none of the conventional inputs (maybe an age issue). Again - what have you brought to the table, and why should anyone on XDA cater to your problem - when it was discussed already in a thread on page 2.
Again - "looking for a paid solution, getting it of amazon, followed by an "oh it works" moment - then sharing it with another one" is easy. But it ignores all structural issues with it, the approach, the solution, the problem itself...
And to be very frank - I would even have reacted if someone had just posted an amazon link not contextualizing that this vendor (and amazon) are profiting from an illegal solution to an etirely made up problem (DRM) that was factually "produced" to harm users (legacy issues), on behalf of the content industry.
Why is it in your interest that none of this gets addressed?
I'll gift you not talking about your product buying cycles and why XDA should be the last source to frequent to get support for "whale" (industry term, not derogative) like behavior..
Reduced complexity. Not having to learn anything. But that lets these threads pop up one after the other, and I dont get my chance to point the finger at who actually is responsible for the problem (not you. For the most part. Although you could have done your research.). Because everything becomes "just a simple question" in this light.