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So, who could make pictures on both G Pro, SGS4 and iPhone5 to make unbiased comparison of their cameras?
It G Pro camera on par with the SGS4's and iPhone 5's? Or does it still lack quality and color accuracy?
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The saturated colors will make the color images" look" better.
The Pro images are a little more realistic
This is judging based on normal mode on both phones. Sorry can't do comparison right now.
As for iPhone, can't really say. Never owned one and never will.
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In well lit conditions, the G Pro takes better pics than the iPhone 5. It struggles in low light though.
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Coming from the GNoteII, the OGP struggles in low light from what I can tell. Day time the pictures prove to be about the same, but with higher resolution resulting in greater sharpness.
LED flash is weak
Well, here there is a comparison shots. In daylight I think both S4 & GPro do the same job, it's indoors and flash shots that G Pro camera mostly criticized about. I'll guess pair of advices. Someone should try "night mode" when shooting indoors to get better shots, "night mode" makes longer shots and therefore gets more light to the picture. And then when shooting with flash as on keyboard picture one should not tap on camera button fast but instead tap and hold it, so camera will focus with flash on and then, when button released, compute a fine-grained picture with better quality than when fast tapped. It's somewhat like HDR mode
But both keyboard shot and Pond's shot are more blurry on G Pro than on S4, that's reason the GPro camera is criticized about. LG needs to do more job here
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Well, here there is a comparison shots. In daylight I think both S4 & GPro do the same job, it's indoors and flash shots that G Pro camera mostly criticized about. I'll guess pair of advices. Someone should try "night mode" when shooting indoors to get better shots, "night mode" makes longer shots and therefore gets more light to the picture. And then when shooting with flash as on keyboard picture one should not tap on camera button fast but instead tap and hold it, so camera will focus with flash on and then, when button released, compute a fine-grained picture with better quality than when fast tapped. It's somewhat like HDR mode
But both keyboard shot and Pond's shot are more blurry on G Pro than on S4, that's reason the GPro camera is criticized about. LG needs to do more job here
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THanks for that I have added a new sample f the flash in absolute pitch dark from the G pro , check the level of detail zoom in on serial number and see the detail , I think S4 cant have that detail ... pic s Cam00056
I can't believe that I would say this. I'm starting to appreciate the cam quality of the G Pro. It started to grow on me.
Though I'm having a prob with the AOSP(?) Cam and other cam apps, the led flash would not assist the focusing when needed and will only fire up when I actually took a pic.
Anyone experiencing this?
I have the s4 active and g pro but honestly I like the camera on the active more than my g pro. Pics seem to come out more clear but the g pro holds its own well tho.
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Not impressed with camera quality. I don't own S4 but do have Xperia zl which does take better pictures and shows more detail especially in low light.
It's kinda odd sometimes my camera takes the most stunningly detailed bright vivid pictures. I have pictures of my kid playing in the sprinkler that the camera caught the water droplets in the air and they are crystal clear... And then sometimes its like the thing is trying to focus on objects in the background. And my pictures come out crappy... It feels like the autofocus is the culprit to me.
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Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Google Pixel come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
I'm personally really liking the camera. Camera is always my top priority and I've gone through five phones in the past year trying to find the complete package. I'm coming directly from a S7. While I wish the main camera has a few more trucks up its sleeve it is quick and I love how it animates and names collages etc from the app instead of having to upload the photos to google photos and do the processing there.
I'll be putting up random shots over the next few days in my Google Photos folder: https://goo.gl/photos/vYAoiyxMw5VGSGPHA I tried attaching many of the shots but XDA yells at me for going over the size limit!
It's good. On par with my s7 edge other than maybe having better dynamic range.
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I'm really torn between my S7 and my Pixel for image quality tbh, I did quite a few comparisons on a blog this afternoon, results are here
https://carljones.wordpress.com/2016/10/22/pixel-vs-galaxys7/
Attached a few thumbnail images, full-size ones on blog post.
In some instances I prefer the pixel, in others the galaxy, I wish the built-in camera app on pixel had a pro/manual mode.
The low light performance is night and day (if you'll pardon the pun) coming from a Moto X 2014. Fast and sharp, which comes in handy when trying to grab shots of my hamster. Resolution not original but this is in VERY low light.
I have had the S7 Edge, S7, Note 7 and now the Pixel. Had the S6 Edge before that as well as an Honor 8 with its dual camera. Basically, I too have tried nearly every phone that's been out this year looking for the best camera as that's the most important thing to me too.
I never quite liked the S7 camera despite the reviews and ratings. What the reviews don't tell you is that the f 1.7 aperture means a very very narrow 'field of focus'. i.e., large parts of the same photo will be blurry / out of focus. I am not talking about depth of field, I am well aware of what that is and the implication of the f 1.7. Depth of field applies to macro shots. What I am talking about is different parts of photos being out of focus even for landscape shots or general everyday shots where the entire photo is expected to be in focus.
I got around this with my S7 era cameras by using pro mode and multi-AF with matrix metering. But pro mode cannot be set as default, so you had to launch the app and manually switch to pro mode each time.
Anyway, I like the Pixel camera a lot. I think an f 2.0 is a good spec for a camera phone. Anything higher than that comes with too many compromises. There has been a lot of advancement in 2016 in smartphone camers, but they are all around the 12 mp resolution. I'd like to see the same advancements (PDAF, LAF, dual pixel etc.) be made with higher resolution. You can only get so much detail from a 12 mp sensor...
Come on guys dont be cheap, lets see it!
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I've been mostly pleased with the Pixel's camera. It's very *good*. But after a week using it alongside my S7 and iPhone 7, I'd still rather have either of those in my pocket as my day to day shooter. The Pixel tends to take dimmer/darker shots because it's trying so hard to balance out dynamic range. This can make for some really great shots, but it can also really underexpose if there's a focal point (like, I don't know, a person?) in the shot you're taking. The Pixel also struggles with auto-focus, or its auto-focus simply isn't very intelligent.
Example, kids within a couple of feet of me... 5 shots with the Pixel, each one of them came out underexposed and with their faces blurry, even when I tried to get it to re-focus. My iPhone 7 got them in one shot and properly exposed their faces. In those shots, the Pixel's shots looked great in the background of the photo, but the focus of the pictures were not well-handled. The iPhone 7's shot overexposed the background a bit, but it nailed the focus of the pictures the first time.
It's a very good camera, but I think it's still a step below the top flagships from Samsung and Apple right now, when taking into account all aspects of the cameras.
Examples?
Okay so I'm gonna put it out there. I found my Nexus 6P camera perform better than the Pixel. In fact, I'm gonna say that in some low light conditions, my wife's iPhone 6 Plus performed better, which hasn't been true for me in the last 2 years.
Regarding autofocus in VIDEO, it absolutely nails it and I could not get it to fault. I was able to get it very close to the subject too. I find in shooting PICTURES only, the autofocus is not as reliable. Besides, the HDRa is actually not as good as HDR+. I thought they made HDR ALWAYS ON but it seems this isn't the case. I also found the frame rate switching to be a pain in video. You have to back out of the viewfinder to settings of the app and choose the resolution for the right FPS options to show.
I will share some comparisons with the Pixel v the 6Plus later tonight.
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Has anyone had issues with bad stitching for panorama shots? Everyone I've taken has had some pretty bad misalignment. I understand you want to keep the phone in relatively the same spot the whole time and that the closer things are the harder it is to get it right, but even my co workers S5 takes better panorama shots than this...
Edit: I should also note I'm using the stock Google camera panorama option and set the quality to "high". App looks like it's up to date.
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Has anyone had issues with bad stitching for panorama shots? Everyone I've taken has had some pretty bad misalignment. I understand you want to keep the phone in relatively the same spot the whole time and that the closer things are the harder it is to get it right, but even my co workers S5 takes better panorama shots than this...
Edit: I should also note I'm using the stock Google camera panorama option and set the quality to "high". App looks like it's up to date.
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yes, but this is not new to the pixel. my nexus 5X (and i understand the 6P, and even previous nexus/google phones) had the same issue. no matter how well i align, it seems to always stitch poorly. What's odd is that if you use the Photosphere mode to take the same "panoramic" shot, the stitching is vastly improved. I'm still very surprised this doesn't surface in the reviews. maybe no one takes panoramas anymore? maybe you and I are just really bad at it?!
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yes, but this is not new to the pixel. my nexus 5X (and i understand the 6P, and even previous nexus/google phones) had the same issue. no matter how well i align, it seems to always stitch poorly. What's odd is that if you use the Photosphere mode to take the same "panoramic" shot, the stitching is vastly improved. I'm still very surprised this doesn't surface in the reviews. maybe no one takes panoramas anymore? maybe you and I are just really bad at it?!
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Ah, ok, I'll give photosphere a shot. Yea I'm surprised I haven't seen more people complain about it. Or maybe it really is just us ?
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Ah, ok, I'll give photosphere a shot. Yea I'm surprised I haven't seen more people complain about it.
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agreed. even trying/having luck with photosphere isn't the solution, this should just work. I was definitely disappointed after my initial use of the camera being so positive, then a few days later realizing the basic panorama stitching was still crappy. good thing is these things are typically almost completely software related, bad thing is there's strangely no push for google to improve it.
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Has anyone had issues with bad stitching for panorama shots? Everyone I've taken has had some pretty bad misalignment. I understand you want to keep the phone in relatively the same spot the whole time and that the closer things are the harder it is to get it right, but even my co workers S5 takes better panorama shots than this...
Edit: I should also note I'm using the stock Google camera panorama option and set the quality to "high". App looks like it's up to date.
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Yes I have this issue too
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Had my first day out with the V30 yesterday and just imported the photos and videos from it to my laptop for a closer look to make some initial evaluations. With some very interesting things to note and a lot to dig into further. There's definitely some realities that need to be addressed to better manage expectations.
1) I have no f'n clue what the HDR setting is doing other than making crappy photos. Which is about the same as it was on the V20. It's completely the opposite of what it was on the Nexus 6. On the Nexus 6, if you wanted the best photos out of the Google Camera you could get, you turned on HDR and forgot about it. With LG's Camera app, it's the exact opposite. Turn it off and forget it was ever there.
I still need to figure out the mess that the Google Camera app port has become and DL a copy and see how it does with this sensor.
2) If you shoot manual, there's a noise reduction on/off switch now. Unless you have some decent NR software though or know what you want to do with grainy photos (and I think it will have its uses, I just have to find the right subject), leave it on in very low light conditions. Not only does it tame grainy noise, it also tames a bit of purple fringe that will show up in high gain (high ISO) photos once the electronics start heating up around it.
3) As to that last part of #2: We have to be realistic here. This is a tiny cellphone camera packed in with A LOT of other electronics. If you're shooting several shots in a row or long exposures, either in dark conditions at high ISO, you will see amp glow or purple fringing. It's just a reality. Even DSLRs see it.
4) Digital zoom is digital zoom. If you aren't using just the standard view of each sensor, then you are going to see the limitations of a small sensor. I don't care what cellphone you're using. None of my larger/dedicated cameras have it for many good reasons. You shouldn't expect miracles from a smaller camera.
5) The wide angle sensor actually takes pretty good shots now in most conditions! The wide angle camera on the V20 was full of so many compromises that I avoided it at all costs. If I wanted a wider view than the standard lens, I would use the pano setting on the standard lens. Which is still a great option if everything in the frame is going to sit still but it takes time and patience. It still has distortion though, just not as much as before. You can't focus the wide angle in manual mode but you can in auto. Weird. It doesn't like to focus pointing directly overhead. That was hit or miss. Same rules about the NR and HDR apply here.
6) Video AF in low low light does miss sometimes. Again, just remember this phone doesn't have all the high end AF sensors that some DSLRs have to make sure focus is nailed every single time. Somewhere there's an article about the useful range of all the AF systems on the V20, I assume it still applies to the V30. I'll dig it up if I can to help manage expectations. If I remember right, laser AF is short range, maybe 7 feet.
7) During my import of files from my phone to my laptop, some of my videos lost their audio tracks. Not sure what that's about. I don't remember which ones were auto and which ones were manual but I suspect that's the problem. All videos have sound on my phone though.
8) I suck at video. Kinda hoping to kick myself in the rear with this phone and learn more about it. There's a lot more to manage and I probably won't be happy until I figure out the whole color grading thing and get the look I want. So the log file option ought to be a nice addition.
9) I remember telling someone that I swear I saw a video somewhere of a pre-unit that had the directional mics settings in manual video. Well, I can tell you that I must have imagined that because the unit I have does not have that setting. Just sliders and windcut.
10) And I don't know where LG is hiding it but I don't see 240 fps in any settings anywhere. The fastest video setting I see is 120fps. (Remember, only at 720p) I'm guessing 240 fps is reserved for the slo-mo mode and not available in manual or auto video modes.
11) Selfie camera. Yeah, I've seen the complaints. Are you sure your ugly mugs aren't breaking the camera? I posted this in the first impressions thread and I'll post it here. First thing I suggest doing is turning down the "skin toning" and skin lighting settings. Whoever renamed skin smoothing to skin toning should be shot as that's not what I thought that setting was at all. My first thought is that it adjusted the white balance of the skin to give you a rosier glow. Nope. Skin toning will butter face the heck out of you even on basics settings. Set it to zero. After that, the image held up well to some post processing and consistently gave me selfies I actually like. They actually remind me of something that might come from..... film.
I'm going to do some more shooting today and I'll try to figure out how to post examples without making you all click through to some other site. I also need to figure out how to get the videos over sound and all so I can give them honest assessments.
Ah, I just remembered something else to look out for.
12) If you shoot in manual and have the RAW option turned on, it isn't like on a real camera where you get the RAW file and a processed version of the RAW file. It shoots two photos. This does two things. One, it means you will see lag as it is shooting two photos for each press. This gets worse with longer shutter speeds. Two, this means unless you're shooting a still life that the RAW and JPG will not match. If you're shooting action like I was last night, you will get two completely different photos.
Interesting. Thanks for you observations.
I'm a pixel owner and I love the camera. It's ace. I really want to like the v30, but so far the real world observations and initial reviews haven't sung the praises of the camera. Are you happy with the camera or is it not worth the hype?
The camera is better than the V20 and I liked that a lot. Here's the issue in a nut shell. This phone is for those that aren't happy to just let the device to everything for you like an Apple product would. If that's what you want, that's what Pixels are about. Pixel is Google's iPhone. If you want control over the creative process, that's why the V's exist. The V series is more akin to using a DSLR and Pixels are more like a point and shoot. The Pixel series they're kinda hoping you're ok with whatever the phone spits out. The V series you tweak the initial settings and decide what the phone is even going to shoot so you can tweak it more to your liking later. The V30 gives us even more control than the V20 does.
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The camera is better than the V20 and I liked that a lot. Here's the issue in a nut shell. This phone is for those that aren't happy to just let the device to everything for you like an Apple product would. If that's what you want, that's what Pixels are about. Pixel is Google's iPhone. If you want control over the creative process, that's why the V's exist. The V series is more akin to using a DSLR and Pixels are more like a point and shoot. The Pixel series they're kinda hoping you're ok with whatever the phone spits out. The V series you tweak the initial settings and decide what the phone is even going to shoot so you can tweak it more to your liking later. The V30 gives us even more control than the V20 does.
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Interesting. Thanks for the summary
I would like to but V30, all because camera. But I don't know is this camera one of the best in 2017 or it is just average camera. I see many bad comments on internet. And is front face camera really bad?
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I would like to but V30, all because camera. But I don't know is this camera one of the best in 2017 or it is just average camera. I see many bad comments on internet. And is front face camera really bad?
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I probably still have a few more days of testing but just based off of what I've seen in my standardized shooting at the museum, LG has pulled off a miracle with this tiny little sensor.
Like I said above, you have to have realistic expectations and know what the limits are of your gear. That's what a really good photographer does though. They know how the gear works and how to use what it does but also know when it's time to use something else or accept not getting a shot.
This is a tiny sensor. The largest sensor on this whole phone is only 1/3.09". It's smaller than the main one on the V20 but it looks better. That in itself is amazing but I'm not expecting a sensor that's 1/3 the size of the sensor of my smallest camera to match it. Yet that's what some people seem to expect . Which is asinine.
Really the only "failing" I had yesterday was trying to shoot overhead in extremely dark conditions with the wide angle camera and shooting performers wearing all black on an outdoor stage in the dark with just stage lighting (which was changing colors constantly) while moving around quickly. Neither of those surprised me at all. The second condition really is the realm of DSLRs still. The first one, I'm ok with too. That said, what I did get from the second condition, I'm still surprised with.
I've only had one day with it but I think I'm going to get some surprising images out of this camera. Now to teach myself more about video editing.
And again, about the front camera. Once you set those stupid settings to the bottom, you can get more skin detail out of a photo than most people would like to see. Every crease and furrow in my brow line and forehead ,pock mark in my nose, and hairs on my head and beard. From shooting models, I can tell you a lot of people wouldn't want to see that level of detail on their face. So I have no idea what people are complaining about. It's an f'n vanity camera that most people wouldn't want to use to its full potential.
Uploaded a couple of shots. All shots are my normal workflow with a cellphone camera. Shot with the V30 and the jpegs processed in Snapseed. First one is shot with the main camera overhead in a room not known for being well lit at the museum I used to work at. In fact the only real lighting is from some LEDs in the pearl at center. The LEDs are designed to be very soft so they don't degrade the paint and woodwork. The other two shots are selfies taken with indirect sunlight being the only light source indoors. The one with back background is indirect sun through clear glass. The one with the light background is indirect sunlight through very milky glass.
Main camera: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36870848874/
Dark background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37322765870/
Light background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/23728950428/
Seriously, I'm not sure I'd really want more detail than that. I'm actually quite please with how all of these images turned out so far. I'll try to work up some more shots from the main and wides.
Can you post some pics in a room at night with just a lamp on or something in auto mode?
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Can you post some pics in a room at night with just a lamp on or something in auto mode?
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I'll have to see what I can set up. That's not really a normal shot I have set-up or sitting around. I might be able to do something at work tomorrow before everyone else gets in and the whole place is blasted with light. Unfortunately, I no longer work at the museum but I might be able to make something work.
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I would like to but V30, all because camera. But I don't know is this camera one of the best in 2017 or it is just average camera. I see many bad comments on internet.
And is front face camera really bad?
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I'm not hijacking this thread, but you asked a specific question. There's another thread where the camera is discussed, along with other features, and @keithleger took all his in "auto" mode, to compare the two V30 back cameras, and he also compared it to the Note 8 camera which he's decided to sell.
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-Excellent camera but not on par with Pixel line or Samsung. Don't get me wrong, it is a great camera and in the sunlight it is fantastic but low light it does not do as well as Note 8. Video or Stills. But it is very adequate for my needs and I prefer having the wide-angle lens over the zoom lens any day.
-The one thing that really bothered me was shutter lag at times. Sometimes when I snapped a photo it was almost instant and others I had to wait a second or so. Long enough to think I might not of pressed the button. Not sure if others have had this issue but it is troublesome. It was not isolated to taking multiple photos fairly quickly either. Sometimes first shot.
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However, he's selling the Note 8 to keep the LG V30.
He posted an album of his first weekend pictures, as well as the comparison shots to the Note 8. The V30 outside shots look FANTASTIC, and even though the Note 8seemed to do better indoors the LG V30 won at least one of the indoor shots, in my opinion.
As for selfies, he gives the same advice as @CHH2.. Turn off the enhancemet crap on the selfie camera.
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For selfies, if you set the skin tone and lighting effects to 0 then it is ok.
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Selfie camera. . First thing I suggest doing is turning down the "skin toning" and skin lighting settings.
Skin toning will butter face the heck out of you even on basics settings. Set it to zero.
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See, they say the same thing. The only reason I'm mentioning the other thread -- and I do not mean to hijack @CHH2 camera thread -- is because @keithleger has direct comparisons to the Note 8 camera was well as the f/1.6 and wide angle cameras on the V30. Plus he only shot in auto, and didn't do any post processing (to my knowledge).
I appreciate all the work @CHH2 has put into this thread!
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I'll have to see what I can set up. That's not really a normal shot I have set-up or sitting around. I might be able to do something at work tomorrow before everyone else gets in and the whole place is blasted with light. Unfortunately, I no longer work at the museum but I might be able to make something work.
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Thanks! You don't have to go out of your way. I will have my phone tomorrow.
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Thanks! You don't have to go out of your way. I will have my phone tomorrow.
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I shot this real quick this morning. It's completely SOOC. Yes, you might notice something rather odd and be asking yourself, "Why didn't he rotate the image?" Well, I didn't rotate it because on my phone the image is upright and correct. Somewhere between the phone and Flickr, it got rotated. I'll be deleting this one at the end of today as it's not really something I'd normally shoot even as a reminder or novelty.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36882784984/
And just because I got lucky this morning, a little close up:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37593620881/
Going to add one more photo. This one shot in probably one of the most challenging places to shoot, a jazz club. This is probably the cleanest shot I've taken in there with a cellphone. I'm impressed.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36883443574/
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I shot this real quick this morning. It's completely SOOC. Yes, you might notice something rather odd and be asking yourself, "Why didn't he rotate the image?" Well, I didn't rotate it because on my phone the image is upright and correct. Somewhere between the phone and Flickr, it got rotated. I'll be deleting this one at the end of today as it's not really something I'd normally shoot even as a reminder or novelty.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36882784984/
And just because I got lucky this morning, a little close up:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37593620881/
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Wow man! I have restored faith in the camera. That office shot is very sharp. For the grasshopper, are you using one of the installed filters or is a post render?
Thank you for taking those.
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Wow man! I have restored faith in the camera. That office shot is very sharp. For the grasshopper, are you using one of the installed filters or is a post render?
Thank you for taking those.
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You're welcome. For photos, I never use the filters in the camera apps. I always use Snapseed. It has a lot more control and much more power once you learn how to apply the various filters in combination. The grasshopper only had typical post processing that most photographers would apply; a tad sharpening that is only really noticeable when zoomed in, B&W conversion, bump in contrast, and a bump in shadows to make them a tad darker. Oh, and a crop, maybe threw away a little more than half the overall pixels from the frame as I didn't want to scare it off.
And yeah, for being such a tiny sensor, I'm impressed with the low light shooting. I still want to try shooting in the basement of the jazz club. That's usually territory that I need at least my smaller dedicated camera if not my DSLR. I won't get to try that again until this next weekend.
Decided to try something a little different. This isn't final by any means but this shows what playing around for a couple of minutes in Snapseed with just a couple quick shots can get you: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37605204891/
Looking forward to showing this to my curator friend and watching him fall off of his barstool when I tell him it was all done on one cellphone in under five minutes. (He's pretty much a film guy as is the guy who is the inspiration for this photo. Bonus points if you can name the photographer I'm copying for this photo.)
Main camera: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36870848874/
Dark background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37322765870/
Light background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/23728950428/
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What camera was used for those selfies? I'm not a fan of selfies but love the ones you've taken. I'd like to experiment with it and my fiance would too.thank you. Btw love you test album. Talent for sure
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Main camera: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/36870848874/
Dark background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/37322765870/
Light background selfie cam: https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/23728950428/
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What camera was used for those selfies? I'm not a fan of selfies but love the ones you've taken. I'd like to experiment with it and my fiance would too.thank you. Btw love you test album. Talent for sure[/QUOTE]
I used the front selfie camera with all of those silly settings at the bottom of the frame turned off, set to zero, whatever their values are. Then I just did some quick processing in Snapseed. That's pretty much it. I don't get too complex. And thank you.
Finally figured out a work around so I can hear the audio on the videos I'm importing from the phone to my laptop and can't believe I didn't think of this before. Pulled the videos from their folder over into an empty Chrome browser window and Voila! they played complete with their soundtrack!
So the following is from shooting in a dark jazz club. (Notes, not footage yet. I'll try uploading something to youtube when I figure out what, when, and how.)
Probably the most important observation I see about video from the V30 (and this actually applied to the V20 too) is that loud music can end up jostling the OIS and introduce more shake than it removes.
Another observation is that recording video while in Auto mode, you better make sure you have plenty of somewhat decent light. Tonight while playing around, the screen would be plenty bright all the way up until I hit that little red record button. Then the screen squeezes down and went dark enough that the footage was unusable. Shooting in manual video mode, I was able to get some footage. It wasn't exactly ideal settings that I was shooting with though so the footage is so-so. (Best settings I could get were ISO 3200 and a shutter speed of 1/25. My understanding is that since I had my frame rate at 24fps, I should have had a shutter speed of 1/50 but that just wasn't happening inside that place.)
In manual video mode, it really doesn't like ISO 3200 for some reason. I'd play with a setting and come back and the ISO would be set to 3150 for some reason. I'd bump it back up to 3200, go do something else, come back to 3150. I would have to make sure that's the last thing I tweaked before hitting the record button.
The audio picks up pretty much all the sounds I'm hearing. I need to sit down with headphones and see if there's extra noise being introduced. I suspect dragging the videos into the Chrome browser is exactly the best quality test. It just lets me know the audio tracks are intact in the file which I was a little worried about at first.
I still have a lot more playing around with the video as most of it is new to me.
Ok, so I received my T-Mobile V30 Friday afternoon and have used it quite a bit since then. here are my highlights/low-lights so far.
Overall I really LOVE this phone. I've been knowing for a while that it would have just about all I wanted in a phone from physical size to features (minus stock android and quick updates). It will be a tough decision which to keep when the Pixel XL I pre-ordered arrives.
Physically
-Look and feel is fantastic.
-Great screen to body ratio
- size is the perfect mix of size and ease of use.
-Screen looks great! Not Samsung Note 8 great, especially in bright sunlight but in the top displays I've ever used. (coming from a note 8)
Software
-Scroll speed is disappointing. I find it moves slow and when I try to scroll fast in FB or even my google news feeds it stutters and is just not fluid.
-A big annoyance (besides the scrolling speed) for me was the auto brightness. LG really needs to have something like Samsung where you can set the brightness for a setting and not just full auto. Because they ALWAYS have my screen too dim. I was forced to download Lux which I should not have to do.
Camera
-Excellent camera but not on par with Pixel line or Samsung. Don't get me wrong, it is a great camera and in the sunlight it is fantastic but low light it does not do as well as Note 8. Video or Stills. But it is very adequate for my needs and I prefer having the wide-angle lens over the zoom lens any day.
-The one thing that really bothered me was shutter lag at times. Sometimes when I snapped a photo it was almost instant and others I had to wait a second or so. Long enough to think I might not of pressed the button. Not sure if others have had this issue but it is troublesome. It was not isolated to taking multiple photos fairly quickly either. Sometimes first shot.
Battery
-Battery is very good. Last night I went to sleep with 50% left and screen on time of 3 hours and 20 minutes. That, to me, was fantastic.
-I don't see any trouble with me getting a fully heavy use day out of this phone without charging.
That is about it for now. I'll post an update if I find something else noteworthy. If you have a question feel free to ask.
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Ok, so I received my T-Mobile V30 Friday afternoon and have used it quite a bit since then. here are my highlights/low-lights so far.
Overall I really LOVE this phone. I've been knowing for a while that it would have just about all I wanted in a phone from physical size to features (minus stock android and quick updates). It will be a tough decision which to keep when the Pixel XL I pre-ordered arrives.
Physically
-Look and feel is fantastic.
-Great screen to body ratio
- size is the perfect mix of size and ease of use.
-Screen looks great! Not Samsung Note 8 great, especially in bright sunlight but in the top displays I've ever used. (coming from a note 8)
Software
-Scroll speed is disappointing. I find it moves slow and when I try to scroll fast in FB or even my google news feeds it stutters and is just not fluid.
-A big annoyance (besides the scrolling speed) for me was the auto brightness. LG really needs to have something like Samsung where you can set the brightness for a setting and not just full auto. Because they ALWAYS have my screen too dim. I was forced to download Lux which I should not have to do.
Camera
-Excellent camera but not on par with Pixel line or Samsung. Don't get me wrong, it is a great camera and in the sunlight it is fantastic but low light it does not do as well as Note 8. Video or Stills. But it is very adequate for my needs and I prefer having the wide-angle lens over the zoom lens any day.
-The one thing that really bothered me was shutter lag at times. Sometimes when I snapped a photo it was almost instant and others I had to wait a second or so. Long enough to think I might not of pressed the button. Not sure if others have had this issue but it is troublesome. It was not isolated to taking multiple photos fairly quickly either. Sometimes first shot.
Battery
-Battery is very good. Last night I went to sleep with 50% left and screen on time of 3 hours and 20 minutes. That, to me, was fantastic.
-I don't see any trouble with me getting a fully heavy use day out of this phone without charging.
That is about it for now. I'll post an update if I find something else noteworthy. If you have a question feel free to ask.
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How is reception? On my G6 is pretty bad...
Also, any display problems on low light and low brightness conditions?
For scrolling go to developer options and enable force gpu rendering, it should scroll better
Killua96 said:
How is reception? On my G6 is pretty bad...
Also, any display problems on low light and low brightness conditions?
For scrolling go to developer options and enable force gpu rendering, it should scroll better
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Thanks, it did help the scrolling. Went from bad to acceptable. not sure what side effects that will cause elsewhere.
Reception has not been an issue this weekend but I use my phone more on weekdays so I'll see. I did get 1 or 2 fail/resend on text messages but that could be tmo also.
I use my phone before bed in the dark with it close to all the way dim. Either I don't know what to look for or it does not bother me. Either way I'm totally satisfied with it in low light.
However, I do wish it had the 1200 nits that the Note 8 has. Today at the pool it was difficult at times to take a photo and really see what I was taking a photo of at 100% brightness.
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I use my phone before bed in the dark with it close to all the way dim. Either I don't know what to look for or it does not bother me. Either way I'm totally satisfied with it in low light.
However, I do wish it had the 1200 nits that the Note 8 has. Today at the pool it was difficult at times to take a photo and really see what I was taking a photo of at 100% brightness.
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Thanks, I use it in that way too before going to sleep, it's one of the moments where I can play some games, this is way that display problem brothers me so much.
Now I'll wait for Europe price and relevant date, if it'll arrive at 799 euros in Vodafone stores I'll probably buy it.
Keep me updated for the reception, on G6 I think is worse than on G5 Lol
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Thx you a lot for your post. But can you help me, i really need to see camera difference between V30 and Note 8. Is V30 really so bad? Wil you do some comparison?
And is front face camera so bad? :/
The camera is above average just not quite as good as Pixel or Note 8. For selfies, if you set the skin tone and lighting effects to 0 then it is ok.
Here is an album. The colored balls, food duplicate shots are for comparison. (I deleted most of my comparison photos. Was done for personal comparison so no reason to keep them)
Use "info" to see the model number of the camera that took the photo. Easy if you have windows 10 and default photo viewer. (click info icon at top right)
The boy in the sand photos and the selfie of me and my wife are from today on the V30 and I had already packed up the Note 8 to sell on swappa.
Low light - just had a crack in the door with very little light coming into the room. Note blew the V30 away on this one.
Photos from LG that seem close then far are regular and wide angle lens.
All photos are on "auto" setting for both phones.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vk3z0QrNqPBvrybI3
Curious, what kind of battery life were you getting with the Note 8? Were you making it through the day? Is the scroll lag worse than the Note?
Overall, are you liking the phone more than the Note? I'm very stuck deciding between the two heh
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Curious, what kind of battery life were you getting with the Note 8? Were you making it through the day? Is the scroll lag worse than the Note?
Overall, are you liking the phone more than the Note? I'm very stuck deciding between the two heh
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Have u seen the videos speed between note 8 vs v30? V30 was slower but my problem was with this was, just like the s8 plus. The v30 cannot keep app in the background and are constantly reloading. Finished the second round more than 1 minute behind the note 8. Having 6gb ram o. A non stock android js a must for me.
I was just like u but after the price. And everything um m get for just $130 more, spen, larger better screen, more ram. And hold its value better. I bought the note 8 2 days ago. Prettg happy so far.
My phone comes tomorrow and after reading several posts about it, I am considering a return. I went to the VZW store today to see it and everything about the look I like. I went into the camera to take some pics and I noticed right away that the shutter took way too long to take the shot. The odd thing about the camera is I had the G6 and it took great low light pics, even better than my S8+. One of the main reasons I wanted the V30. I'm worried now I will be giving my S8 back for a phone that isn't "better". I'm so tempted now to just buy the Pixel or wait and get the iPhone X. This sucks so bad. I was looking forward to the V30 and have no desire to get the Note 8.
Oh, nice pics and your wife is hot.
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Have u seen the videos speed between note 8 vs v30? V30 was slower but my problem was with this was, just like the s8 plus. The v30 cannot keep app in the background and are constantly reloading. Finished the second round more than 1 minute behind the note 8. Having 6gb ram o. A non stock android js a must for me.
I was just like u but after the price. And everything um m get for just $130 more, spen, larger better screen, more ram. And hold its value better. I bought the note 8 2 days ago. Prettg happy so far.
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Ooh so the S8 Plus isn't any better? Was considering that as well to save a little bit.. They have a $300 trade-in deal on all phones on Samsung's site, even goes towards 24 month financing.
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-A big annoyance (besides the scrolling speed) for me was the auto brightness. LG really needs to have something like Samsung where you can set the brightness for a setting and not just full auto. Because they ALWAYS have my screen too dim. I was forced to download Lux which I should not have to do.
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You can't just turn off auto-brightness? I've done that in every LG phone, from G2 to G4 because yes, they make it too dim.
Have they disable manual brightness setting or something?
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The camera is above average just not quite as good as Pixel or Note 8.
For selfies, if you set the skin tone and lighting effects to 0 then it is ok.
Here is an album. The colored balls, food duplicate shots are for comparison.
Use "info" to see the model number of the camera that took the photo. Easy if you have windows 10 and default photo viewer. (click info icon at top right)
The boy in the sand photos and the selfie of me and my wife are from today on the V30 and I had already packed up the Note 8 to sell on swappa.
Low light - just had a crack in the door with very little light coming into the room. Note blew the V30 away on this one.
Photos from LG that seem close then far are regular and wide angle lens.
All photos are on "auto" setting for both phones.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vk3z0QrNqPBvrybI3
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Actually quite impressive pictures -- and I'm glad you chose "auto" for these tests. Most of the time we take pictures, I'm really not going to mess with the settings. My wife especially will not. She went hiking with a friend last weekend through a forest with a waterfall, and while the pictures were nice I wish she had THIS camera. One shot was taken by a stranger to whom she handed her phone -- with her and the friend standing amidst the foliage, with the waterfall visible behind them. Adjusting settings just isn't going to be done in that situation, and she wouldn't know how.
Yes, it's nice to have settings you can adjust for long setup time, I appreciate LG adding that capability -- but let's be honest. 90% of the time it's about taking the picture quickly.
On the close-up colored balls comparison, I might give the Note the win, but barely. The V30 is very, very close.
On the french fries/granite counter wide shot, I prefer the V30 over the Note. The V30 wins on that one, to me.
Low light shots of the PC on the floor, yeah, the Note was cleaner, clearer. The Note had great focus and color of the baseboard and wall, as well as the PC.
But the outdoors shots of the V30 you have are great. Thank you for sharing.
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Curious, what kind of battery life were you getting with the Note 8? Were you making it through the day? Is the scroll lag worse than the Note?
Overall, are you liking the phone more than the Note? I'm very stuck deciding between the two heh
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1. I did not notice any scrolling lag on the Note 8 at all. It was pretty smooth. There was the lag after pressing home button or switching between apps like all galaxy devices but the Note is the most responsive phone Samsung has ever created.
2. Battery seems to be better on the V30. I could make it through the day on the note but I tried killing the battery yesterday on the v30 and I had almost 6 hrs of SoT and 18 hrs on...still almost 40% very impressive. For me at that point the Note would have been dead.
What made me decide to keep the V30 and sell the note was the following.
1. I much prefer a wide angle lens over a zoom lens. So many times I need to capture more int he scene yet can't back up. I'll sacrifice a little quality to get that.
2. Size. Note was just too tall. It bothered me and it was the first phone I did could not adjust to it "feeling big". The V30 just feels like the perfect phone in my hand size wise. I'm 6'3" and don't have small hands but just could not get used to the note. It would stick out of my jean pockets..sad when a phone can't fit in your pocket. LOL
3. I really don't like the curved edges. too many accidental touches. I know it makes the bezels "look" smaller but I prefer the "almost" flat screen of the v30.
4. I did not use the pen much at all. Maybe to show people what it could do or my son played with it drawing. But I won't miss it. I'm sure others use it a ton and can't do without it. I just don't.
ChazzMatt said:
You can't just turn off auto-brightness? I've done that in every LG phone, from G2 to G4 because yes, they make it too dim.
Have they disable manual brightness setting or something?
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Of course you can. But that is not the ideal solution. On an $800 flagship I should not have to do that. Lux is a better option than that. This is something LG should fix. It was/is an issue on the G6 as well.
found a few more photos, added. The last few of the lowpro bag were with morning light (overcast day) coming through a window about 8 feet from the storage table. No interior light on in the room.
closeup of PC card - taken from about 10 inches away with both cameras, focused on heat sync on the card. Light from window 5 ft away and room light on. So a good amount of indoor lighting.
Also, a note on all the photos I took. I did press my finger on the same focus point and let the camera focus just to make sure I compared the same results. I do this most of the time when taking photos anyway. So, this was not a test on the auto focusing abilities of each camera. on the last one I pressed on the DVD stack on all 3 photos. I also sat with my elbow on my knee in the same exact spot/distance for all 3. Which shows how much more of the scene you can actually get with the LG wide angle lens. The reason I love having that.
Interesting. Thanks for the images. I would be using auto mode mostly for family shots etc. I would be happy with those results.
Is there any delay in pressing shoot and the capture? Read in another post it was a bit laggy
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Interesting. Thanks for the images. I would be using auto mode mostly for family shots etc. I would be happy with those results.
Is there any delay in pressing shoot and the capture? Read in another post it was a bit laggy
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Yeah, as I stated in initial comment. I noticed inconsistency with camera. Sometimes it is instant and other times there is a noticeable lag. I have not done enough testing to know if the lag is based on setting/light or if it is just truly random but I have experienced it. Note 8 had no lag whatsoever as I'm sure the Pixel 2 will not if it is anything like the Pixel. My reason for keeping the V30 was that the wide angle lens and size was far more attractive to me vs the negatives. It will be a hard decision when my Pixel 2 XL comes in though. I just like how responsive the Pixel phones are. This v30 is laggier than the Note 8 for sure but bearable. Hopefully there will be a firmware update to fix some of these issues soon.
EVOme said:
My phone comes tomorrow and after reading several posts about it, I am considering a return. I went to the VZW store today to see it and everything about the look I like. I went into the camera to take some pics and I noticed right away that the shutter took way too long to take the shot. The odd thing about the camera is I had the G6 and it took great low light pics, even better than my S8+. One of the main reasons I wanted the V30. I'm worried now I will be giving my S8 back for a phone that isn't "better". I'm so tempted now to just buy the Pixel or wait and get the iPhone X. This sucks so bad. I was looking forward to the V30 and have no desire to get the Note 8.
Oh, nice pics and your wife is hot.
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I had the G6 as well. I assure you the photos are better in all areas over the G6. Especially the wide angle lens.
haha, thanks.
The only photo taken by the note that I preferred was the kitchen island photo lol. Aaaaaand I have a million photo adjustment options to bring down the cool tint to the photo. Thanks for sharing OP
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Of course you can. But that is not the ideal solution. On an $800 flagship I should not have to do that. Lux is a better option than that. This is something LG should fix. It was/is an issue on the G6 as well.
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I read that some carriers actually disabled the brightness feature you're looking for on the V20. I know that t-mo was one of the carriers that disabled this feature. I have the V20 currently and on AT&T I can increase the brightness if it's too dim and the phone will still auto adjust the brightness if lighting conditions change, but it will remember that in a certain lighting condition, I changed the brightness and it will use the value that I previously set instead of the default value. I'm thinking t-mo also disabled it on the V30 also.
This thread will probably explain it better than I did haha:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/help/auto-brightness-t3490880/
Seen 2 videos so far of the V30 up against the S9 series and its holding its own quite well.
What are you guys opinions?
V30 for better battery and camera. End of story.
If you had an S8 right now you would be better off on both those parameters than with an S9
Sammy will fix things. The snapdragon seems to be ok with battery but the exynos variant doesn't do well for battery. Further optimisation needed especially for exynos
Camera issues will be the same for both
Fixes needed which is kinda strange because these aren't the kind of problems Korean phones have ootb
Had both, sold the S9+ after 10 days, couldn't get on with Sammy software and device was just a little too big and heavy. Very happy to have gone back to my V30.
Seriously, not sure how you can even think about saying that the V30 camera is better than the S9, unless you are talking about granularity of controls. The quality of the S9+ blows the doors off the v30..especially indoors/low light. I have both and the S9+ is being shipped back to Samsung tomorrow because I love my V30 size and feel, not to mention the wide angle lens. However, saying v30 camera quality is better than S9+ is laughable. V30 is still a decent camera though and I can't do without wide-angle lens. I'm not sure why others have not done it...oh wait, maybe we need Apple to do it first then EVERYONE else will. lol
i owned lg v30 plus for 5 months and i got S9plus from 10 days and i sold it back yesterday and returned to my lgv30 the reason behind that s9plus has a big problem with dropping calls and during the call i am loosing the connection and got silence for 5 to 10 sec on the same conditions i was using lg in i searched and found it's a common problem and they are waiting a fix through an update the second thing is battery life the s9+ doesn't hold for a day with the same usage , also the network switching between 4g and 3g is going crazy and so bad with s9+
sure the camera of S9+ much better than lg v30 especially the front facing camera which is a **** in low light in lg v30
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sure the camera of S9+ much better than lg v30 especially the front facing camera which is a **** in low light in lg v30
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Nobody picks a phone on the strength of the front camera.
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Seriously, not sure how you can even think about saying that the V30 camera is better than the S9, unless you are talking about granularity of controls. The quality of the S9+ blows the doors off the v30..especially indoors/low light. I have both and the S9+ is being shipped back to Samsung tomorrow because I love my V30 size and feel, not to mention the wide angle lens. However, saying v30 camera quality is better than S9+ is laughable. V30 is still a decent camera though and I can't do without wide-angle lens. I'm not sure why others have not done it...oh wait, maybe we need Apple to do it first then EVERYONE else will. lol
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heh, what do you even know about cameras ? The V30 has a F1.6, the S9 is F1.5. So in what way does the S9 blow away the V30 again ?
https://youtu.be/NLsezWgArh4
I'm not seeing the 'quality' of the S9 blow away its predecessors here. Oh! they happen to be F1.7's btw Why's that ? F1.5 an all
https://youtu.be/lW1p8ONzmOY
Why is the S9 struggling to get focus in scenes the last three generations would not. You mean to tell me the V30 or any LG since the G4 would have trouble focusing in these low light scenes ? Forget LG, S6 up to S8 would have no problem in those scenes
The only place i give sammy the edge is faster focus with video. You do much video ?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=75896403&postcount=9
Demonstrates the problem with dual aperture and stills within a certain range of light levels
First has a higher ISO than necesary and thererfore will lose at the pixel level in terms of details to every good camera that came out since 2015, the second blows out the image entirely with the oh so amazing f1.5
Numerous photos i see this overbrightening going on. Why. if HDR+ makes photos low contrast ie flat and boring then the S9 is making them worse for no good reason
Now, i have zero problems having to use manual if it means i get a better photo, in fact a camera that doesn't have manual is worthless as far as i'm concerned but try telling that to someone who just bought this phone for the camera. Paid big bucks for it
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i owned lg v30 plus for 5 months and i got S9plus from 10 days and i sold it back yesterday and returned to my lgv30 the reason behind that s9plus has a big problem with dropping calls and during the call i am loosing the connection and got silence for 5 to 10 sec on the same conditions i was using lg in i searched and found it's a common problem and they are waiting a fix through an update the second thing is battery life the s9+ doesn't hold for a day with the same usage , also the network switching between 4g and 3g is going crazy and so bad with s9+
sure the camera of S9+ much better than lg v30 especially the front facing camera which is a **** in low light in lg v30
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Hi,
Did you get Android Oreo update for LG V30 plus? Any idea when it will arrive ?
I almost sold my V30+ for a S9+ but to be honest, I wouldn't be rushing out to buy an S9 or S9+ just yet. They have a world wide issue with dead spots on the screen... And of course their launcher sucks dogs balls.. Useability is high on my list, and after 5 min playing with the S9+ in store, I wanted to puke.
If you're keen on going Samsung, maybe wait for the Note 9... Samsung just can't get anything right at the moment - seems hardware issue after hardware issue..... Samsung need to take a break, and stop rushing phones to market
My V30+ has been flawless since picking it up in Nov 2017. I'll be sticking with it until the V40+ comes
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heh, what do you even know about cameras ? The V30 has a F1.6, the S9 is F1.5. So in what way does the S9 blow away the V30 again ?
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You know that's not how it works right? Aperture is only one aspect of the amount of light that a sensor picks up, the other being sensor and pixel size.
Although the S9 has more or less the same aperture the pixel size is nearly 50% larger than the v30 pixels, it also has a 1/2.5" sensor versus 1/3.1", this will have a very large effect on low light quality.
For example a full frame sensor has over a stop of extra light gathering ability vs an APSC sensor, equivalent to the jump from an F2.0 to an F1.4 lens, I have no idea what the exact ration will be with these sensors but it is likely to be quite significant.
There is nothing wrong with the V30 camera, but physics dictates it is going to be significantly worse in low light than the S9.
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You know that's not how it works right? Aperture is only one aspect of the amount of light that a sensor picks up, the other being sensor and pixel size.
Although the S9 has more or less the same aperture the pixel size is nearly 50% larger than the v30 pixels, it also has a 1/2.5" sensor versus 1/3.1", this will have a very large effect on low light quality.
For example a full frame sensor has over a stop of extra light gathering ability vs an APSC sensor, equivalent to the jump from an F2.0 to an F1.4 lens, I have no idea what the exact ration will be with these sensors but it is likely to be quite significant.
There is nothing wrong with the V30 camera, but physics dictates it is going to be significantly worse in low light than the S9.
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Agree with what you've said but LG manages to squeeze out a lot from a small sensor despite the smaller pixel size. Have you seen some of the photos from the AI camera that only the Korean variant has for now. They have improved clarity and sharpness over the past.
The V30 will be a more reliable shooter than the S9 in the examples i've cited. The V30 would not have the problems the S9 has.
Did you see Max's video ? i looked at every photo he took at the pixel level and was shaking my head over how the S9 couldn't get focus. What good is the biggest sensor going to do in that case
The S8 or Note 8 would be better competition to the V30. If you can handhold 1/2s you will beat what auto can do on the V30 because you let in two full stops of light in this case. That will exceed what a bigger sensor can do unless you repeat the same with it as well
Video isn't going to be too far off due to the small differernce in aperture, only focus will be quicker with samsung. And this is the strange thing, focus is fast on video but couldn't do it with stills
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Agree with what you've said but LG manages to squeeze out a lot from a small sensor despite the smaller pixel size.
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Yes I think it is a great camera, with the best software implementation and interface I've tried.
But low light is not its strong point, in saying that mobile cameras are always so bad there versus my dedicated cameras that it doesn't matter that much, if I expect to want to take usable night shots I'd take a real camera. On the other hand the wide angle camera on this has amazed me for daytime landscape shots.
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Yes I think it is a great camera, with the best software implementation and interface I've tried.
But low light is not its strong point, in saying that mobile cameras are always so bad there versus my dedicated cameras that it doesn't matter that much, if I expect to want to take usable night shots I'd take a real camera. On the other hand the wide angle camera on this has amazed me for daytime landscape shots.
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The one camera that will dethrone all is potentially the P20 pro. You can take 4s handheld shots. Sharp. Get this it has no OIS!
Low light handling with huawei has always been good, the problem is you need a way to stabilise it. The image quality improves considerably if you let it have 10s say. It won't get brighter just better details
Course that is just the stills department, Video is likely to be another story.
I think low light has improved over the years in terms of how high ISO can go before you don't have a usable photo
Upto 2014 - no higher than ISO 400
2015 - goes up to ISO 800
2017 - now i think 1250 possibly 1600 is usable
No competition against your dedicated camera but you will always have your phone with you
That wide angle has a magic effect on people even those that don't like to take photos with phones
https://youtu.be/8fRGQ33Q4eU
Thats the G5 and you get the idea
Main reason i wont switch to Samsung is phone size dimensions and screen ratio. Dont like the long and narrow screen that samsung is using.
In my opinion the lg v30 has the perfect size.
Can't find any v30 vs S9 photo comparisons with originals to pixel peep. None out there
I want to see the S9 'blowing away' the V30
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Agree with what you've said but LG manages to squeeze out a lot from a small sensor despite the smaller pixel size. Have you seen some of the photos from the AI camera that only the Korean variant has for now. They have improved clarity and sharpness over the past.
The V30 will be a more reliable shooter than the S9 in the examples i've cited. The V30 would not have the problems the S9 has.
Did you see Max's video ? i looked at every photo he took at the pixel level and was shaking my head over how the S9 couldn't get focus. What good is the biggest sensor going to do in that case
The S8 or Note 8 would be better competition to the V30. If you can handhold 1/2s you will beat what auto can do on the V30 because you let in two full stops of light in this case. That will exceed what a bigger sensor can do unless you repeat the same with it as well
Video isn't going to be too far off due to the small differernce in aperture, only focus will be quicker with samsung. And this is the strange thing, focus is fast on video but couldn't do it with stills
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Sorry, I love my v30 and it is still my daily driver (shipped the S9+ back today) but in auto mode the S9 was better in almost every situation for me. Not by much except with low light. You can spout stats all day long but unless you are using manual mode the v30 did not come close to the S9. See album. It is almost like someone turns a light on with the S9 photos compared to the v30. I don't know about video since i don't use it much but in low light I can't see how the v30 could produce better/less noise in video either.
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Sorry, I love my v30 and it is still my daily driver (shipped the S9+ back today) but in auto mode the S9 was better in almost every situation for me. Not by much except with low light. You can spout stats all day long but unless you are using manual mode the v30 did not come close to the S9. See album. It is almost like someone turns a light on with the S9 photos compared to the v30. I don't know about video since i don't use it much but in low light I can't see how the v30 could produce better/less noise in video either.
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Good, now we can have a conversation. I noticed both LG shots used AI shutter, this is LG's more intelligent night shot.
For a scene like this manual will get you a clearer shot, Been that way since the G4. Just go into manual and click, you don't change any settings at all. It just disables night shot. Will be sharper. Provided it gets focus which i think it did in your shots. Night shot is a mixed bag, there are times it will do quite well and others where it can make things worse
The one of the flowers is what makes you think the light got turned on. It's using spot metering there. The one with the trucks is using the default centre weighted. Note how the exposure is the same but the clarity is better with the S9.
The flowers is interesting because it used 1/5, the auto shots i've seen had it go no slower than 1/10. Well that's a stop's more light AND coupled with a high iso will turn night into day
Drop the LG down to 1/4 and you do the same compared to auto which won't go below 1/10
Pity you've sent it back it would have been good to try some more experiments
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Good, now we can have a conversation. I noticed both LG shots used AI shutter, this is LG's more intelligent night shot.
For a scene like this manual will get you a clearer shot, Been that way since the G4. Just go into manual and click, you don't change any settings at all. It just disables night shot. Will be sharper. Provided it gets focus which i think it did in your shots. Night shot is a mixed bag, there are times it will do quite well and others where it can make things worse
The one of the flowers is what makes you think the light got turned on. It's using spot metering there. The one with the trucks is using the default centre weighted. Note how the exposure is the same but the clarity is better with the S9.
The flowers is interesting because it used 1/5, the auto shots i've seen had it go no slower than 1/10. Well that's a stop's more light AND coupled with a high iso will turn night into day
Drop the LG down to 1/4 and you do the same compared to auto which won't go below 1/10
Pity you've sent it back it would have been good to try some more experiments
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I understand all that, I'm just saying full auto, which is how most users will use the camera. The v30 is lacking. I don't want to have to press buttons and adjust settings. I just want to pull my phone out and quickly snap a photo or I'll miss the moment. Again, love my v30 and won't give it up for the better camera. However, if I want the best all around quick/auto/consistent camera phone I'll just reach over and grab my wife's pixel 2.
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I understand all that, I'm just saying full auto, which is how most users will use the camera. The v30 is lacking. I don't want to have to press buttons and adjust settings. I just want to pull my phone out and quickly snap a photo or I'll miss the moment.
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And you can do just that if it launches in manual for static subjects in low light. No adjusting settings. Everything is in auto.
The one quirk i've noticed with the V30 only is it doesn't always disable night shot. So even in manual this happens. Didn't happen with earlier LG's
That's the best you can get. So if you compare that with what the sammy does then you will know if any of this pixel micron thing makes a difference or not
Sammy doesn't use a nightshot and i've rolled my eyes as the years went on when comparisons were made with LG's by people who didn't know what to do. So this canard that LG can't do low light very well came up. Reviewers won't do it but users learn early on
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And you can do just that if it launches in manual for static subjects in low light. No adjusting settings. Everything is in auto.
The one quirk i've noticed with the V30 only is it doesn't always disable night shot. So even in manual this happens. Didn't happen with earlier LG's
That's the best you can get. So if you compare that with what the sammy does then you will know if any of this pixel micron thing makes a difference or not
Sammy doesn't use a nightshot and i've rolled my eyes as the years went on when comparisons were made with LG's by people who didn't know what to do. So this canard that LG can't do low light very well came up. Reviewers won't do it but users learn early on
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I know the v30 can do much better in low light. i'm saying I don't want to have to switch my phone to manual mode every time I want to take photos indoors or in low light. Even if it is just switching the mode. I always live it in auto. That is how I'm comparing the cameras. LG should do a better job with auto mode, plain and simple. I don't have that issue with Pixel 2 either.
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I know the v30 can do much better in low light. i'm saying I don't want to have to switch my phone to manual mode every time I want to take photos indoors or in low light. Even if it is just switching the mode. I always live it in auto. That is how I'm comparing the cameras. LG should do a better job with auto mode, plain and simple. I don't have that issue with Pixel 2 either.
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They've clung on to the night mode thing for a while now. If that happens the LG's losing almost every time.
I've never understood why they wouldn't allow slower shutter speeds in auto. Getting a 1/4 handheld sharp isn't difficult. I guess they are trying to account for people who might not have the steadiest of hands. Same with sammy too from what i could see with Max's shots. What explains the inability of the S9 to get clear shots ? did you find the S9 wanting for focus when you used it in low light. Your macros were fine, but what about outdoors, a harder test
it's rare you will ever get consistently good low light shots in auto particularly if there's bright lights in them even with the best of cameras. Max likes to show how the pixel can do this. Yeah it can and so can huawei. But it isn't hard to do with manual. One day I went around town at night with one set of settings and clicked away. There wasn't even a need for focus. Shots were instant. Sharp, way better & faster than auto. Took over a hundred shots, sometimes in the road with traffic. I had no more than a second or two.
But the pixel flattens images as well. Getting creative with a pixel with HDR+ on is harder than either of the Koreans. Can't do drama with a pixel. And all its strengths reduce with video because its like any other that too with mono recording in audio instead of stereo. I can't get comfortable with a camera that reduces the owner to a button presser