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So im ready to upgrade my phones on Tmobile and I read that the SGS 3 does not support LTE on Tmobiles network. Is this a deal breaker? Ive read that LTE is a battery vampire. Tmobile LTE network isnt due till next year. I plan on keeping the SGS 3 for 2 years, hoping it would be a bit of future proofing for me since its the hottest phone right now.
Is no LTE support a deal breaker?
Nope... I'm getting 10-15 down on a rough day in greater Los Angeles area. You really need it faster? Think it's good enough to perform every day activities on the phone.
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Yeah no way. I'm getting 20mps steady. That's stupid fast. Lte if available is quicker with better ping but the phone is excellent and Lte isn't needed with the new radios.
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derek210 said:
Yeah no way. I'm getting 20mps steady. That's stupid fast. Lte if available is quicker with better ping but the phone is excellent and Lte isn't needed with the new radios.
Sent from my SGH-T999 using xda premium
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Not only this but our device supports 41mbps, which by the time LTE rolls out, will be in most cities if not already.
(I know we wont get 41mbps realistically)
I already get 25mbps in NYC which is faster than my home internet speed. Seriously LTE is overkill (literally) as it just kills your battery.
androidmonkey said:
So im ready to upgrade my phones on Tmobile and I read that the SGS 3 does not support LTE on Tmobiles network. Is this a deal breaker? Ive read that LTE is a battery vampire. Tmobile LTE network isnt due till next year. I plan on keeping the SGS 3 for 2 years, hoping it would be a bit of future proofing for me since its the hottest phone right now.
Is no LTE support a deal breaker?
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You should probably read before posting something that has been asked already.
The T999 has LTE bands already, they are just disabled by default.
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I've looked at a billion comparisons...
androidmonkey said:
So im ready to upgrade my phones on Tmobile and I read that the SGS 3 does not support LTE on Tmobiles network. Is this a deal breaker? Ive read that LTE is a battery vampire. Tmobile LTE network isnt due till next year. I plan on keeping the SGS 3 for 2 years, hoping it would be a bit of future proofing for me since its the hottest phone right now.
Is no LTE support a deal breaker?
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I'm no expert, but not much of a life living in a new state, so I read A LOT! And most of that reading has been about computers and mobile phones. I've seen about a million opinions on this; seen a lot of speed tests and other tests comparing the 2, and absolutely every piece of factual evidence so far has shown me that the T-Mobile's HSPA+ network is absolutely comparable to LTE. There are only very slight insignificant differences in the tests - some a few degrees higher, some a few lower - according to the tester's location, device, and environment. But they always come extremely close to the same numbers. I've heard LTE does eat a lot of battery, but that's (as always) depending upon individual usage. The SGS III, from what I understand, is capable of supporting LTE, even on the T-Mo model, it's just not being used since they aren't on it, so if/when they do go LTE, your phone will support it. Until then, I think you'll be just as happy with their network. I hope that helps ya! At least I'd feel like I accomplished something with my endless hours lookin at all this crap! Good luck!
Thanks. I ended up going with the SGS 3. So far I like it a lot, its very fast. I am coming from a SGS Vibrant with Slim ICS ROM on it, so I had to install a launcher to get rid of TouchWiz (currently Im using Nova Launcher).
U'll love it!
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Thanks. I ended up going with the SGS 3. So far I like it a lot, its very fast. I am coming from a SGS Vibrant with Slim ICS ROM on it, so I had to install a launcher to get rid of TouchWiz (currently Im using Nova Launcher).
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Oh cool! Me too, had the Vibrant and alternated between 2 ROMs at the end - ICS Passion and Doc's Master, they were both so great! Don't care for TouchWiz at all. I'm currently using Apex right now, it's simple, quick n user-friendly, and comes with the customizing I like - plus it has the capability of running themes from other home launchers, ie; GoLauncher, which I think is friggin awesome! Check it out if ya haven't already, there's not a whole lot it CAN'T do! Anyway, I think you'll LOVE this phone! I never in a million years thought I'd part ways with the Vibrant! I'm really stoked, now that I know how to do everything! If u have any questions, need help with dev stuff, or u just want recommendations, like I said - bored, not much of a life here, so helping is no problem at all! I've been through XDA quite extensively, so I know pretty much all there is to know about the 2 devices I have, just have the noob status still cuz I never post! So feel free to ask anytime! Have fun!!
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Oh cool! Me too, had the Vibrant and alternated between 2 ROMs at the end - ICS Passion and Doc's Master, they were both so great! Don't care for TouchWiz at all. I'm currently using Apex right now, it's simple, quick n user-friendly, and comes with the customizing I like - plus it has the capability of running themes from other home launchers, ie; GoLauncher, which I think is friggin awesome! Check it out if ya haven't already, there's not a whole lot it CAN'T do! Anyway, I think you'll LOVE this phone! I never in a million years thought I'd part ways with the Vibrant! I'm really stoked, now that I know how to do everything! If u have any questions, need help with dev stuff, or u just want recommendations, like I said - bored, not much of a life here, so helping is no problem at all! I've been through XDA quite extensively, so I know pretty much all there is to know about the 2 devices I have, just have the noob status still cuz I never post! So feel free to ask anytime! Have fun!!
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Thanks, I installed Apex last night. I might buy the Pro version if it becomes my fav. I was on the fence about waiting to get the HTC One X+ that is rumored to be released at the end of Sept. Since I have a track record with Samsung and its a very popular device (more support from devs), I decided to go with Samsung again. The only thing I really need right now is ROOT. I watched a video on Youtube and it looks like its a fairly simple process, not as easy as the Vibrant though. I mainly need ROOT to install Titanium Backup. I'm still confused though about the "flash counter" that some people mention and how Tmo/Samsung can see that you flashed your device if it were sent in for replacement/repair. Any ideas on that?
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Thanks, I installed Apex last night. I might buy the Pro version if it becomes my fav. I was on the fence about waiting to get the HTC One X+ that is rumored to be released at the end of Sept. Since I have a track record with Samsung and its a very popular device (more support from devs), I decided to go with Samsung again. The only thing I really need right now is ROOT. I watched a video on Youtube and it looks like its a fairly simple process, not as easy as the Vibrant though. I mainly need ROOT to install Titanium Backup. I'm still confused though about the "flash counter" that some people mention and how Tmo/Samsung can see that you flashed your device if it were sent in for replacement/repair. Any ideas on that?
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It's a counter that counts custom binaries, if serviced by Samsung they may check it and decline warranty. There is a no trip method in the development section that I highly recommend. Right now there is also an app anyways by guru ChainFire called triangle away, that resets the counter. Either way here's the link to the no trip method that is easy as pie for anyone. Enjoy !
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426
Yep!
androidmonkey said:
Thanks, I installed Apex last night. I might buy the Pro version if it becomes my fav. I was on the fence about waiting to get the HTC One X+ that is rumored to be released at the end of Sept. Since I have a track record with Samsung and its a very popular device (more support from devs), I decided to go with Samsung again. The only thing I really need right now is ROOT. I watched a video on Youtube and it looks like its a fairly simple process, not as easy as the Vibrant though. I mainly need ROOT to install Titanium Backup. I'm still confused though about the "flash counter" that some people mention and how Tmo/Samsung can see that you flashed your device if it were sent in for replacement/repair. Any ideas on that?
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Yeah, I bought the Apex Pro, and I don't normally buy many paid apps - I just really like how easy it is to integrate with other things like themes, which I mentioned earlier, and then other things too, ie; lockscreen apps, status bar apps, fonts, icons...so even if I want just one thing different that Apex doesn't have, I can still get that thing and use Apex at the same time!
Rooting!! OK here's what I did, and not a single problem! This is the fastest, easiest time I have ever had rooting and/or flashing by a MILE! I was leery due to the IMIE issues being reported and also, like you, the flash counter voiding the warranty. (if anything happened and I was out of an almost $700 phone, I'd be seriously PISSED!!) So if you do decide to root and/or flash, I would HIGHLY recommend doing these things! 1st, go here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1804123 and back up your IMEI. Just follow the instructions (super simple) to make a backup. I don't think u need to do a full NV backup (u'll understand what that means if u read thru the posts on this issue, but it doesn't matter) because you'll already have your IMEI backed up beforehand. I did it anyway tho, just because I felt safer that way. Up to you! Bookmark that thread tho, in case you ever encounter any IMEI or data probs cuz they're the go-to guys for that, and have all the RIGHT fixes! You'll see the other guy I'm referring to's method and a link to his thread referenced there, where there's a lot more background info, but the guy's thread I gave you the link for is WAY easier for performing the backup. As far as checking the backup to be sure it's there, that can get confusing - If you followed the directions, I promise it worked, just gets techie when trying to read phone stuff on a PC. All info on the subject is in those 2 threads, you'll see it! N E way, do that FIRST BEFORE ANYTHING!!
Next, go here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1746682 and install this to your PC. This is the coolest thing ever to get you backed up, rooted, flashed, whatever. It's called the "Snapdragon Toolkit" I cannot begin to say enough about it! It does EVERYTHING you need - installs the correct drivers, roots, unroots, flashes ROMs, gives u ClockworkMod Recovery AND Odin, and also gives you a full perfect backup - Nandroid backup for CM, .tar file for ODIN - of your stock firmware to keep on your PC in case you run into an issue or just decide to go back to stock. Also provides a walk-thru for resetting the flash counter back to zero using an app called Triangle Away by Chainfire!! It gets u into download mode, roots, gives you Superuser, busybox, CWM, all necessary root stuff, and reboots your phone all automatically in just a quick click! You might have read secure vs insecure kernels - gives you the choice. Insecure leaves you rooted. You can also use it to just kind of temp-root to do something that like say, requires ADB (which requires you to be rooted to use) Do it thru the toolkit, and it will get you (for instance for adb access) the insecure kernel alone, temporarily, until you're done with your task. You can do each thing separately like that or everything all at once. His thread, as well as inside the toolkit itself, when you open it on your PC, gives you total kindergarten instructions and explanations for each thing it does. I have never seen a faster, simpler, more user-friendly program for getting these things done - and all in one place! So get that, and per the instructions, open it and install the drivers 1st before plugging in your phone with ur USB. You probably have the right drivers already, but just in case there are extra drivers there needed for the program or anything it does, I'd go ahead and install them. It'll then open a window that looks old DOS command-line like, and will ask which model you have. Every time you're making any choice in the program, you'll be typing your answer at the bottom of the screen and hitting "enter" to submit. Type the number 3, it's the one for T-Mo T999 UVALEM, and hit enter. It then displays the menu with the list of all the options. You can plug in to be sure the phone's detected, and check it by looking at the top of the window; it'll show it under "List of devices attached." If you do what I did, which was the all-at-once option, you'll hit the number 2 and enter for thr rooting options menu, then 3, enter to choose all-in-one and follow the on-screen instructions for when to plug in the phone and such.
To simplify things further, so you can save some time, I've got all the files you need already, to do your IMEI backup, stock firmware backup,(the Nandroid copy of the firmware and the .tar ODIN copy), the drivers, the most recent ClockworkMod Touch and ODIN files, the Toolkit, and all the .apk files of the apps that are safe to remove from the original firmware if you want that. I didn't remove all of these, for the same reason I haven't flashed AOKP or CM9/CM10 yet; I'm not sure I want to lose the new Samsung stuff like SVoice and the motion features. It's a list others comprised, actually probably really outdated, containing the ones confirmed safe to remove. I just kept in case I wanted any of 'em back! I can personally confirm all the T-Mobile ones, ChatOn, Flipboard, all the Yahoo stuff, self, factory and LCD tests, Samsung's Media Hub, Game Hub, SSuggest, and More Services, Google's Books, Music, TV/Movies, Talk, and Google+(Plus One), Amazon, Polaris Viewer, Facebook SMS, and the system Music and Video apps. I say probably outdated cuz I'm sure the Maps from Google and Samsung, the Cloud sync apps from them all, and the Email apps, for example, are all fine to go too, and probably verified by now. (I mean seriously, do I need Samsung, T-Mo, Google+, GMail, Dropbox, Sugarsync, AND Facebook ALL syncing my stuff?! JEEZUSS!!!) Anyway, all the files are in my dropbox here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8f2wjlz1enkb8wp/saTe7MW0fE
There's also a way to flash CWM Touch Recovery without having to pay for Rom Manager Premium and without tripping the flash counter in there with instructions if you want it, but you have to be ok with entering command line script with adb or a terminal emulator. I just used the Triangle Away app, worked perfect!
Whew! What a novel, huh?! Just wanted to be sure I was thorough so you or anyone reading has specifics so there are no problems for you! I honestly didn't have a single hiccup, and all of it took less time than it's probably gonna take u to read this post! Have fun!
Did you pick up an unlocked Fire Phone from the recent sale at Amazon? You probably got a device running Fire OS 3.6.8.
It may be tempting to flash back to an earlier software version to attempt root, but you should hold off for now. I, and a few others it seems, are now stuck with phones that can't really do much. Registering with Amazon doesn't work, phones get hot, and we have no access to apps. The worst part is that we don't have the 3.6.8 image yet, so there's no way to go back.
Until we get a way to go back to 3.6.8, you should refrain from downgrading.
Has anyone downgraded from 3.6.8 successfully?
If we can't downgrade from 3.6.8, what does that mean for root access? Are we stuck with stock Fire Phone OS?
Downgrading the unlocked 3.6.8 to the ATT 3.5.0 without first clearing data and cache causes bootloops. If the cache and data is cleared the phone boots up but you will have no icons and no internet connection. You will basically be in a unfunctional state and phone keeps getting warmer and warmer.
Flashing back to 3.5.2 will get the phone functioning as a phone
but the Amazon server will not register the device
Cannot locate 3.6.8 file on their server (see download list topic)
Wow this explains a lot. In my efforts to mess with the boot loader and work on the phone, I downgraded to 3.5 and now have this problem. Got it to 3.5.2 which gives me a few apps, but I can't register and its unusable. I hope they release something soon. Might hit up Amazon Support to see if I can get them to help.
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An update: I just got off the phone with a knowledgeable rep (took 2 tries). She said that they can't pull any information, manuals, or reference to a version higher than 3.5.2.
She did take the time to escalate my issue with a trouble ticket that will go to the advanced IT and devs, which should at least bring the problem to their attention.
She said I will get a response or update in the next 5 business days. Until then, I will just keep trying to reverse engineer the bootloader and see if I can make any edits to it to allow unlocking, or maybe an exploit.
Man....thank goodness I let reason prevail! I thought that after this massive dump, there would be all kinds of devs going wild. 3.6.8 on mine. Mainly got it because my Prime is up this month, and I wanted a backup phone in case I burn up my Note 4 from flashing. Gotta say, it's a solid piece of hardware, and Amazon put some pretty cool fun stuff to play with. Thanks a ton for the heads up!
Thanks for the heads up, pretty sure you saved a few flashaholics from a headache
Have a question:
Is German 3.6.2 (you can choose english as language in it) working without getting hot? (Modem Version is same as in 3.6.8: ro.build.version.lab126.modem=PB_02_06_05)
Version 3.6.8:
ro.build.lab126.project= ???? not available
ro.build.product=juniper
ro.product.name=juniper
ro.build.version.lab126.modem=PB_02_06_05
Version 3.6.2 (German)
ro.build.lab126.project= ???? not available
ro.product.name=caraway
ro.build.product=caraway
ro.build.version.lab126.modem=PB_02_06_05
Version 3.5.2 (AT&T)
ro.build.lab126.project=duke-1.1_release_lewis
ro.product.name=full_duke_kodiak
ro.build.product=duke
ro.build.version.lab126.modem=PB_02_05_17
Version 3.5.1 AT&T
ro.build.lab126.project=duke-1.1_release_lewis
ro.product.name=full_duke_kodiak
ro.build.product=duke
ro.build.version.lab126.modem=PB_02_05_17
Version 3.5 AT&T
ro.build.lab126.project=duke-1.0_release_lewis
ro.product.name=full_duke_kodiak
ro.build.product=duke
ro.build.version.lab126.modem=PB_02_05_17
B1ackByte said:
Have a question:
Is German 3.6.2 (you can choose english as language in it) working without getting hot? (Modem Version is same as in 3.6.8: ro.build.version.lab126.modem=PB_02_06_05)
Version 3.6.8:
ro.build.lab126.project= ???? not available
ro.build.product=juniper
ro.product.name=juniper
ro.build.version.lab126.modem=PB_02_06_05
Version 3.6.2 (German)
ro.build.lab126.project= ???? not available
ro.product.name=caraway
ro.build.product=caraway
ro.build.version.lab126.modem=PB_02_06_05
Version 3.5.2 (AT&T)
ro.build.lab126.project=duke-1.1_release_lewis
ro.product.name=full_duke_kodiak
ro.build.product=duke
ro.build.version.lab126.modem=PB_02_05_17
Version 3.5.1 AT&T
ro.build.lab126.project=duke-1.1_release_lewis
ro.product.name=full_duke_kodiak
ro.build.product=duke
ro.build.version.lab126.modem=PB_02_05_17
Version 3.5 AT&T
ro.build.lab126.project=duke-1.0_release_lewis
ro.product.name=full_duke_kodiak
ro.build.product=duke
ro.build.version.lab126.modem=PB_02_05_17
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The 3.6.2 software worked fine for me ... only thing was no activation with the amazon servers (which basically makes the phone useless. No Market / No video's / No Mayday / No Music nothing related to Amazon works without the activation.
The Phone made calls and sent / received txt no problem.
Thanks for the heads up. Will hold off and side load a few .apks that are a must for my life style. New phone will be here in a few hours.
Pleasantly, I hounded Amazon for 2 days via every support channel (chat, phone, email), hoping i would run into the one overqualified, underpaid 1st tier support guy who can work off script. No luck. Basically at the end of all of this mess, i have to wait 2-5 business days for an engineer to "get back to me". Fookin awesome. 3.5.2 is completely useless without device registration, everything but email is pretty much tied to that. *Sigh*. I really hope someone manages to get the firmware. At this point, im simply waiting out the next few days only to surely be told to RMA the device. I just find it horrendous that a huge company like Amazon does NOT have procedures in place for a potential interrupted OTA, at least one that doesn't require shipping the device back. Shame on me for jumping the gun without verifying that the download to the latest firmware was ACTUALLY for my device (who knew the had another sku?). Shame on Amazon for sucking so bad at every stage of their "shoppers phone" rollout.
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Pleasantly, I hounded Amazon for 2 days via every support channel (chat, phone, email), hoping i would run into the one overqualified, underpaid 1st tier support guy who can work off script. No luck. Basically at the end of all of this mess, i have to wait 2-5 business days for an engineer to "get back to me". Fookin awesome. 3.5.2 is completely useless without device registration, everything but email is pretty much tied to that. *Sigh*. I really hope someone manages to get the firmware. At this point, im simply waiting out the next few days only to surely be told to RMA the device. I just find it horrendous that a huge company like Amazon does NOT have procedures in place for a potential interrupted OTA, at least one that doesn't require shipping the device back. Shame on me for jumping the gun without verifying that the download to the latest firmware was ACTUALLY for my device (who knew the had another sku?). Shame on Amazon for sucking so bad at every stage of their "shoppers phone" rollout.
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I am in the exact same situation as you, waiting for Amazon to fix my phone, so I sympathize. Having said that, let's be fair and not blame amazon for this; they sold us a premium phone for 200 dollars, which I can attest worked very well out of the box. It didn't prompt me to update it or anything and with a few tweaks it was actually giving me a great battery life and performance, until I decided on my own to get adventurous and flash stuff on it. That is certainly not Amazon's fault. If we had used the phone as it was delivered none of this would have ever happened. So let's wait and see what they do to fix it. I am confident they will release the firmware or worst case they replace the phone with a new one.
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I am in the exact same situation as you, waiting for Amazon to fix my phone, so I sympathize. Having said that, let's be fair and not blame amazon for this; they sold us a premium phone for 200 dollars, which I can attest worked very well out of the box. It didn't prompt me to update it or anything and with a few tweaks it was actually giving me a great battery life and performance, until I decided on my own to get adventurous and flash stuff on it. That is certainly not Amazon's fault. If we had used the phone as it was delivered none of this would have ever happened. So let's wait and see what they do to fix it. I am confident they will release the firmware or worst case they replace the phone with a new one.
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Then lets also be fair and take note of the fact that the phone is being sold for 200$ because it was grossly overpriced for what was offered. That still has not changed. Regardless, as a good corporate citizen its quite standard to provide tools to enable their users to restore the phone to standard working order. Had i not downgraded the phone i would not be in this mess. I acknowledge that. But i would also like to point out that had they provided something as simple as a release firmware bin file, i would not be in this mess either. Just gonna have to wait this out, but I will not be an amazon apologizer if they can't be bothered to give power users the basic tools to resolve their own issues.
If Amazon didn't lock down the Fire Phone so much, maybe people wouldn't be bothered to attempt to root it and change things Amazon clearly failed to do. Why can't I even change my launcher to Nova without issue? Amazon block wallpapers and widgets, so it's just a black screen with icons. If I wanted that, I would have stuck with iOS 3. The Fire Phone is locked down harder than iOS devices, which I never thought would happen. If they would loosen up to the grip, the phone would probably sell better. People want a phone they can make theirs, and that doesn't mean just what their Amazon portfolio looks like.
Worse yet, they still haven't forked over the latest update. I'm glad I bought two Fire Phones, because I can at least use one.
Now I see why no one wants this thing.
Just a side note re: registration:
I got my device several weeks ago and I think it was an earlier version than 3.6.8 - I downgraded to 3.5.0 per the instructions, rooted, all that works.
Now I just tried to register for the first time to get Prime, and found that I can't. So that doesn't seem specific to having come from the newest version, they must have disabled activation of all old ones?
Given that I'm in a working rooted state, I'm just going to leave it like this for now and hope that I can eventually flash forward without losing features that are unlocked like this, and finally claim that Prime service.
got tired of waiting on amazon, returned the phone, bought an iphone 6 plus. Will be using my shield tablet for all my android specific needs. @#$% amazon.
Side loading apks still works correct?
Yes
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One more question if you don't mind, are you still able to create a wifi hotspot and tether with the phone?
Yes
Any AT&T SM-T217A users here successfully obtain root via Srsroot on their tabs? They dropped a tweet a month ago that it was supported @ 4.4.2, but it's not sticking for me..
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Any AT&T SM-T217A users here successfully obtain root via Srsroot on their tabs? They dropped a tweet a month ago that it was supported @ 4.4.2, but it's not sticking for me..
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Nope. I tried that one out as soon as it posted. Here is the thread discussing http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-3/help/root-sma-4-4-2-t2902677
bigdawg6183 said:
Nope. I tried that one out as soon as it posted. Here is the thread discussing http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-3/help/root-sma-4-4-2-t2902677
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These T217As I bought are turning out to be the worst experience I have ever had with a decent device. The specs and the battery life are great, but AT&T (or samsung?) has lost their mind. Out of my two tabs (both set up identical) Only one was ever eligible for the 4.4.2 upgrade. The second says no upgrade when I check for one.
The one I did upgrade was so bad on 4.4.2 that I ended up trying to flash back to 4.2.2 before I realized I couldn't and bricked the tab.
2 months later, still no upgrade available for my second tab (probably a good thing except I wanted to try an app that says it can catch the firmware update to use on my bricked tab). Still no 4.4.2 firmware to be found on the internet to download for this device.
The worst part is it doesn't even seem to be available from kies. Kies 3 doesn't even recognize it as a 4.4.2 device anymore after the attempted downgrade and the other kies versions only offer 4.2.2 which the device won't let me flash.
rmntruexjr said:
These T217As I bought are turning out to be the worst experience I have ever had with a decent device. The specs and the battery life are great, but AT&T (or samsung?) has lost their mind. Out of my two tabs (both set up identical) Only one was ever eligible for the 4.4.2 upgrade. The second says no upgrade when I check for one.
The one I did upgrade was so bad on 4.4.2 that I ended up trying to flash back to 4.2.2 before I realized I couldn't and bricked the tab.
2 months later, still no upgrade available for my second tab (probably a good thing except I wanted to try an app that says it can catch the firmware update to use on my bricked tab). Still no 4.4.2 firmware to be found on the internet to download for this device.
The worst part is it doesn't even seem to be available from kies. Kies 3 doesn't even recognize it as a 4.4.2 device anymore after the attempted downgrade and the other kies versions only offer 4.2.2 which the device won't let me flash.
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I totally agree rmn, the experience with this tablet has been sub par. I know when I first heard about the update being released I was checking around online to see if I could find a dl for it, none existed. I did finally go through the process of updating OTA after having to remove root from my 4.2 firmware. Since the update my tablet appears to operate the same except for the lag has returned. I believe that is because I now no longer have my tweaks setup on the device since I have no root. My real peeve with AT&T with this tab is the locked bootloader, come on man, I want to load up different roms and get rid of all this bloatware. We cant even get root access with this new 4.4!
Could I get a screenshot of your about screen on the tab that is not updating?
bigdawg6183 said:
I totally agree rmn, the experience with this tablet has been sub par. I know when I first heard about the update being released I was checking around online to see if I could find a dl for it, none existed. I did finally go through the process of updating OTA after having to remove root from my 4.2 firmware. Since the update my tablet appears to operate the same except for the lag has returned. I believe that is because I now no longer have my tweaks setup on the device since I have no root. My real peeve with AT&T with this tab is the locked bootloader, come on man, I want to load up different roms and get rid of all this bloatware. We cant even get root access with this new 4.4!
Could I get a screenshot of your about screen on the tab that is not updating?
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If it's in warranty, take it to the AT&T store. Tell them you did OTA and it 'got all screwy'. don't use terms like "bricked". Feign ignorance on all the workings of rooting and roms and stuff. Don't even use the term "Rom", use "operating system". Assuming you have the same boot error message I did, something to the effect of "there was a problem updating", apparently it's common enough that they'll get you to Samsung. Samsung will email you a shipping label, and in about a week to a week in a half, I had mine back functional again. Granted they put it on 4.4.2, which is a bummer, but at least it works. No questions asked. they didn't ask me about rooting or anything, I just told them I did the update, rebooted, it rebooted once, and then I had to reboot again and it had the error. First I took it so Samsung rep at best buy, he couldn't do anything, then I took it to the AT&T store. AT&T doesn't deal with tablet warranties, so that's why they put me on the phone with Samsung. On amazon, they have refurbished t217a's for $144.00, and on the description it says they're on 4.1.2 (rootable, and upgradable to 4.2.2 w/odin, which is also rootable. 4.2.2 firmware was a gigantic pain in the ass to get a hold of, but it's out there. I know it's not the answer you want, but hope it helps at least return the tablet into working state. I don't think we'll ever see a root for t217a on 4.4.2, nor any way to downgrade back to 4.2.2. Just not enough interest from the guys with the time and know-how. It was Samsung's bottom-end tablet, and the Tab S is just better for almost everyone. I use the Tab3 7.0 for work mainly because of it's size. I'm a pilot and I strap the tablet to my leg for approach plates and maps and stuff, and the size of the 7.0 is just right. The 8.0 and 8.3(?) is just a bit to big for that purpose. Anyway, I just hope (but not holding my breath) that Samsung + AT&T well at the very LEAST update the thing to lollipop so we can at least get full external SD card function again, because aviation maps and references and the sort take up a LOT of memory after a while..
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If it's in warranty, take it to the AT&T store. Tell them you did OTA and it 'got all screwy'. don't use terms like "bricked". Feign ignorance on all the workings of rooting and roms and stuff. Don't even use the term "Rom", use "operating system". Assuming you have the same boot error message I did, something to the effect of "there was a problem updating", apparently it's common enough that they'll get you to Samsung. Samsung will email you a shipping label, and in about a week to a week in a half, I had mine back functional again. Granted they put it on 4.4.2, which is a bummer, but at least it works. No questions asked. they didn't ask me about rooting or anything, I just told them I did the update, rebooted, it rebooted once, and then I had to reboot again and it had the error. First I took it so Samsung rep at best buy, he couldn't do anything, then I took it to the AT&T store. AT&T doesn't deal with tablet warranties, so that's why they put me on the phone with Samsung. On amazon, they have refurbished t217a's for $144.00, and on the description it says they're on 4.1.2 (rootable, and upgradable to 4.2.2 w/odin, which is also rootable. 4.2.2 firmware was a gigantic pain in the ass to get a hold of, but it's out there. I know it's not the answer you want, but hope it helps at least return the tablet into working state. I don't think we'll ever see a root for t217a on 4.4.2, nor any way to downgrade back to 4.2.2. Just not enough interest from the guys with the time and know-how. It was Samsung's bottom-end tablet, and the Tab S is just better for almost everyone. I use the Tab3 7.0 for work mainly because of it's size. I'm a pilot and I strap the tablet to my leg for approach plates and maps and stuff, and the size of the 7.0 is just right. The 8.0 and 8.3(?) is just a bit to big for that purpose. Anyway, I just hope (but not holding my breath) that Samsung + AT&T well at the very LEAST update the thing to lollipop so we can at least get full external SD card function again, because aviation maps and references and the sort take up a LOT of memory after a while..
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bigdawg6183 said:
I totally agree rmn, the experience with this tablet has been sub par. I know when I first heard about the update being released I was checking around online to see if I could find a dl for it, none existed. I did finally go through the process of updating OTA after having to remove root from my 4.2 firmware. Since the update my tablet appears to operate the same except for the lag has returned. I believe that is because I now no longer have my tweaks setup on the device since I have no root. My real peeve with AT&T with this tab is the locked bootloader, come on man, I want to load up different roms and get rid of all this bloatware. We cant even get root access with this new 4.4!
Could I get a screenshot of your about screen on the tab that is not updating?
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I just now saw your post. When I get back home I'll take a screenshot. It's set up identical to the one I upgraded and bricked. Rooted with kingo, installed the tweaks for this tab from development (KoolKit) and using a few xposed modules to change some notification/statusbar icons..Not much else you can do to these things, and if I had to guess, the only difference between the two would maybe be different versions of the KoolKit tweaks.
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If it's in warranty, take it to the AT&T store. Tell them you did OTA and it 'got all screwy'. don't use terms like "bricked". Feign ignorance on all the workings of rooting and roms and stuff. Don't even use the term "Rom", use "operating system". Assuming you have the same boot error message I did, something to the effect of "there was a problem updating", apparently it's common enough that they'll get you to Samsung. Samsung will email you a shipping label, and in about a week to a week in a half, I had mine back functional again. Granted they put it on 4.4.2, which is a bummer, but at least it works. No questions asked. they didn't ask me about rooting or anything, I just told them I did the update, rebooted, it rebooted once, and then I had to reboot again and it had the error. First I took it so Samsung rep at best buy, he couldn't do anything, then I took it to the AT&T store. AT&T doesn't deal with tablet warranties, so that's why they put me on the phone with Samsung. On amazon, they have refurbished t217a's for $144.00, and on the description it says they're on 4.1.2 (rootable, and upgradable to 4.2.2 w/odin, which is also rootable. 4.2.2 firmware was a gigantic pain in the ass to get a hold of, but it's out there. I know it's not the answer you want, but hope it helps at least return the tablet into working state. I don't think we'll ever see a root for t217a on 4.4.2, nor any way to downgrade back to 4.2.2. Just not enough interest from the guys with the time and know-how. It was Samsung's bottom-end tablet, and the Tab S is just better for almost everyone. I use the Tab3 7.0 for work mainly because of it's size. I'm a pilot and I strap the tablet to my leg for approach plates and maps and stuff, and the size of the 7.0 is just right. The 8.0 and 8.3(?) is just a bit to big for that purpose. Anyway, I just hope (but not holding my breath) that Samsung + AT&T well at the very LEAST update the thing to lollipop so we can at least get full external SD card function again, because aviation maps and references and the sort take up a LOT of memory after a while..
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I wish it was that easy, but I ditched AT&T years ago and went to straight talk. These tabs I purchased second hand.
rmntruexjr said:
I just now saw your post. When I get back home I'll take a screenshot. It's set up identical to the one I upgraded and bricked. Rooted with kingo, installed the tweaks for this tab from development (KoolKit) and using a few xposed modules to change some notification/statusbar icons..Not much else you can do to these things, and if I had to guess, the only difference between the two would maybe be different versions of the KoolKit tweaks.
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No worries mate. Hmmm, if it was root that was stopping the update from showing it should have been the case on both tabs. Plus, mine was originally rooted when I searched for the update and it found it fine. You do definitely have to remove root to successfully update to 4.4, which totally blows, but with the SD card changes that came out in 4.4 I had to do it.
Just bought the G4 on 8/6. I'm going in to return it tomorrow. It gets terribly hot and the finding location icon is constantly flashing. I don't know if I should just swap it for a new G4 or get something else. I know there is a root method but I've heard of it working and causing issues for others. I saw a thread where the My Verizon app was asking for root access. I know you can just freeze it. It stinks that the phone is locked. I'm torn between this phone and the Nexus 6. What would you do?
I'd try finding out what's causing it to get hot; Probably some apps running in the background that don't need to.
Getting root isn't an issue as long as there is a compatible image. What you do with root access could cause issues.
You can disable some of the built-in apps with root (you can do it within FX Explorer + root addon). That should improve performance/increase battery life/reduce heat.
Try using the Cooler app from playstore.
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I'd try finding out what's causing it to get hot; Probably some apps running in the background that don't need to.
Getting root isn't an issue as long as there is a compatible image. What you do with root access could cause issues.
You can disable some of the built-in apps with root (you can do it within FX Explorer + root addon)
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Well honestly, I don't mind that there is no recovery yet. I use root to backup with Titanium, use adblock, and freeze all the Verizon nonsense.
FreedomUser said:
Try using the Cooler app from playstore.
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Is this the app you're talking about? There's a few of them.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.easyx.coolermaster
On a side note, I keep leaning towards the G4. I loved the G2. I'm on Verizon and would pick up the VS986. It comes with 10B I think and then it updates to 11A. If I decide to stay with the G4, should I try rooting before upgrading? I'm almost certain that out of the box, it needs a software update.
Fridge.
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sefirosu0522 said:
Is this the app you're talking about? There's a few of them.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.easyx.coolermaster
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Yes that's the app i'm talking about, but you can use others too, they are same.
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On a side note, I keep leaning towards the G4. I loved the G2. I'm on Verizon and would pick up the VS986. It comes with 10B I think and then it updates to 11A. If I decide to stay with the G4, should I try rooting before upgrading? I'm almost certain that out of the box, it needs a software update.
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It will likely come with 610B, so there is definitely an update available.
The first root image released for Verizon was 611A. But I'm pretty sure someone has since released a rooted image for 610B, so you might not need to update.
But I could not get some features (Advanced Calling) working on 610B, until I updated to 611A. So it's possible you would want to update to 611A anyhow.
Honestly, id wait for the nexus and the note 5 coming out. The touch issues along with lg not wanting to unlock bootloader has made everyone frustrated.
I've bought the european version H81510C and the video are plagued with all major side-effects of the rolling shutter. Wobble, skew and warping effects, all around, literally a jello cam very similar to the after effect warp stabilizator, just lot's more unpolished. The top of the phone reach very high temperature by random or just by calling someone and if you launch an app in GL ES 2.0|3.0 ( OPEN GL ES 3.1 + AEP doesn't seems to correctly "work" on this device (missing support of most texture extension:lightmap and such) will try Arm64 build later and/or texture compression), you'll burn your palm. The G4 seems also to discharge or doing something unattended trough the Qi wireless charging antenna tho, cause I feel mine arms becoming insensitive ( physical harm ) after holding it for a while under normal usage (insulating the 2 pin on the backcover does help a little, but, still unpleasant to keep in hand). If I were are able to find the XT1250|XT1225 for less then 350 I would swap it immediatly, nonetheless I'm also debated to return it and wait till september for a replacement, anyhow the NEXUS is a better choice, except for the camera, even a new ZenFone2 updated to the last avaiable version along it's propretary APP is better of this 600 EURO data collector.
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By updating to lastest version (or by NOT keeping it in the hands), the overheating issue seems somewhat under control.
About the unpleasant feeling | electric field > magnetic constriction = discharge , I found out mine shell ( backcover + wireless charging antenna ) the white one ( simil-ceramic ) is made by acrylonitrile butadiene styrene (ABS) "reinforced" with 10% of glass fiber.
About the LG G4 OPENGL ES 3.1 - it's very slow, it doesn't even make a third of a frame in one second ( other device reach 25-44 FPS ), will try in ASTC..and its better by not much.
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That's mine experience with LG and I call it night- refund under way, will check the PRO version if one avaiable this year.
The G4 is fine. If it is overheating then there is a rogue app or process killing it. My coworkers Samsung G 5 was chewing through batteries and Exchange services was taking up most of the resources. We default the Email app and setup it up and all is right now.
When I first got my G4 and set it up, initially it got hot as hell downloading apps and settings. I did a factory reset and it has been fine since. It never gets hot anymore. I use GPS and QC 2.0 fast charge while on the phone (I travel for work) and it is fine. The only time I had an issue with heat was when I left it out in the sun while streaming pandora.
I think the issue is something to do with setup. I noticed I had bought mine at a brick and mortar store and the sales guy quickly ran through the setup and skipped a bunch of stuff. I think something was stuck in the background trying to do something. Once I factory reset it and set it up properly, I never had a problem. My friend also ordered a G4 online and had it shipped and she never had a problem.
Just my thoughts.
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The G4 is fine. If it is overheating then there is a rogue app or process killing it. My coworkers Samsung G 5 was chewing through batteries and Exchange services was taking up most of the resources. We default the Email app and setup it up and all is right now.
When I first got my G4 and set it up, initially it got hot as hell downloading apps and settings. I did a factory reset and it has been fine since. It never gets hot anymore. I use GPS and QC 2.0 fast charge while on the phone (I travel for work) and it is fine. The only time I had an issue with heat was when I left it out in the sun while streaming pandora.
I think the issue is something to do with setup. I noticed I had bought mine at a brick and mortar store and the sales guy quickly ran through the setup and skipped a bunch of stuff. I think something was stuck in the background trying to do something. Once I factory reset it and set it up properly, I never had a problem. My friend also ordered a G4 online and had it shipped and she never had a problem.
Just my thoughts.
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had same problem with mine ,first day it ran hot as hell but after first day, it has not got hotter than any other fone i have owned.
player911 said:
The G4 is fine. If it is overheating then there is a rogue app or process killing it. My coworkers Samsung G 5 was chewing through batteries and Exchange services was taking up most of the resources. We default the Email app and setup it up and all is right now.
When I first got my G4 and set it up, initially it got hot as hell downloading apps and settings. I did a factory reset and it has been fine since. It never gets hot anymore. I use GPS and QC 2.0 fast charge while on the phone (I travel for work) and it is fine. The only time I had an issue with heat was when I left it out in the sun while streaming pandora.
I think the issue is something to do with setup. I noticed I had bought mine at a brick and mortar store and the sales guy quickly ran through the setup and skipped a bunch of stuff. I think something was stuck in the background trying to do something. Once I factory reset it and set it up properly, I never had a problem. My friend also ordered a G4 online and had it shipped and she never had a problem.
Just my thoughts.
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Thanks for the input. I ended up getting a new phone becasue I was within the 14 days and it has been running fine.
Thanks for the replies everyone.
sefirosu0522 said:
Thanks for the input. I ended up getting a new phone becasue I was within the 14 days and it has been running fine.
Thanks for the replies everyone.
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Glad it worked out.
I hope this is the best place to ask this question since it's largely concerned with "upgrading".
Earlier this year I'd had enough of my Apple iPhone and its endless buggy updates which the phone would railroad you into installing and had no way to disable that. I elected to go for an Android phone. After spending a while looking I went for a Samsung Galaxy S8 which came with Android 7 and was literally flawless, the first such phone I'd had since iOS 8.6. Hurrah
However the phone has a major fault confirmed by the manufacturer. One key thing I checked was that I wouldn't be in the same position as with Apple, forced into installing updates. I am actually a software developer and one with a very limited tolerance of buggy things. I also understood that with Android you can't undo updates without invalidating the warranty. I have no problem with being informed they're available. Once. I can then review whether I want to risk it or not. I don't want to risk Oreo since there are plenty of reports of reduced battery life among other things and it brings nothing new of any significance and once it's on there it can't be taken off again.
So I checked the features and menus on the S8 before I bought it and went ahead.
This phone was great for about 3 months until the Oreo update was released. At which point the device began nagging. There are various settings which should, among other things, stop it downloading updates automatically and a developer mode option that should stop it updating. However as confirmed by Samsung these options simply do not work, it is a defect out-of-the-box and they are ignored. The phone will do what it wants not what you want.
So I'm now back where I was with Apple albeit the device is otherwise bug-free and superb. I have an uncancellable dialog box coming up repeatedly trying to railroad me into installing the Oreo update it should not have downloaded anyway. This is destroying what was a superb device. I've expended ages resetting it already. There aren't enough hours in the day. Android 7 is great. It isn't my primary device, that being my PC. I just want something that runs a few apps and checks email and that's about all. I don't want a "Samsung Experience"
Samsung refuse to fix this, but as they've confirmed it's a fault I can get a refund from the retailer now. However I still need a phone. My question is:
Is it absolutely necessary to invalidate the warranty on a brand new phone out-of-the-box to stop this behaviour since they're all like it? (e.g. "rooting" is the only option)
Or, does anyone know more than Samsung do about their phones and can advise how the phone can be repaired by me (have done factory reset, denied internet, set not to update etc., as Samsung confirm, this part is broken and doesn't work). I could for instance block Samsung's IPs if I knew what they were but that will only work on WiFi here, not on mobile data. As I understand it the package that needs disabling is called "Software Update" but that isn't possible (again without invalidating the warranty which I'd rather not do since it's almost new).
I know how to scupper Microsoft's Windows Updates but that's because that's what I work with and I know the OS quite well and what they're up to. But I don't know how the Android OS works nor should I need to, really. Another reason for my reluctance to forcibly replace the OS.
Don't mind a pop-up box informing me updates are available with a button "Do Not Install" coming up when the update is released. What I don't want is what this phone and Apple phones do which is to suggest they know better than you do and eventually force you into installing them.
Or, which Android phones behave properly and don't have this sort of fault? That respect the user's settings and do not do whatever they like? I'll need to choose a new one anyway so this would be really useful.
Thanks for reading all that