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Thoughts on Fire Tv with XBMC?

Currently have an ATV2 and was asked by a friend for something similar so they can have XBMC along with the Video addons to watch Icefilms etc..
Well the ATV2 is a bit outdated at this point, on top of that the price tag to get one is quite steep. I've come across the Fire TV and it seems to do the trick and it even has a remote which would involve less tinkering to get working etc.
My question is, how well is the Fire TV & XBMC setup? They care only really about the Video addons to run IceFilms, ProjectFreeTV etc.. to watch Movies/Shows.
I'm in Canada and as far as I understand Netflix etc wouldn't work since the device technically isnt supported here yet. But again, this would be mainly used for XBMC.
I know there is some other devices out there that can run the XBMC platform well, but they require then further hacking of making a universal remote to work, or hooking up a keyboard or mouse. I am looking for the cleanest solution.

DHeffernan said:
Currently have an ATV2 and was asked by a friend for something similar so they can have XBMC along with the Video addons to watch Icefilms etc..
Well the ATV2 is a bit outdated at this point, on top of that the price tag to get one is quite steep. I've come across the Fire TV and it seems to do the trick and it even has a remote which would involve less tinkering to get working etc.
My question is, how well is the Fire TV & XBMC setup? They care only really about the Video addons to run IceFilms, ProjectFreeTV etc.. to watch Movies/Shows.
I know there is some other devices out there that can run the XBMC platform well, but they require then further hacking of making a universal remote to work, or hooking up a keyboard or mouse. I am looking for the cleanest solution.
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It'll work fine for that stuff, especially when you root it. It's definitely the best $/performance XBMC box possible.

lolwatpear said:
It'll work fine for that stuff, especially when you root it. It's definitely the best $/performance XBMC box possible.
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What benefit does rooting give the device?
To my understaning it doesn't need to be rooted to run XBMC? But if so, what benefits does rooting give it?

DHeffernan said:
What benefit does rooting give the device?
To my understaning it doesn't need to be rooted to run XBMC? But if so, what benefits does rooting give it?
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Rooting will allow you to boot straight to XBMC and use it as a launcher:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2790392
I think there might be a way without root, but I didn't bother with that method. Otherwise, you can launch XBMC using an existing app's icon on the default launcher to easily get to it:
http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?titl...C_from_an_Existing_App_on_the_FTV_Home_Screen
The problem with not doing one of these things is that in order to launch XBMC, you would need to go to the settings menu, then to the installed applications section and finally launch it. It's way too may steps to do this constantly.

lolwatpear said:
Rooting will allow you to boot straight to XBMC and use it a launcher:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2790392
I think there might be a way without root, but I didn't bother with that method. Otherwise, you can launch XBMC using an existing app's icon on the default launcher to easily get to it:
http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?titl...C_from_an_Existing_App_on_the_FTV_Home_Screen
The problem with not doing one of these things is that in order to launch XBMC, you would need to go to the settings menu, then to the installed applications section and finally launch it. It's way too may steps to do this constantly.
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Ahh I see what you mean now, basically the second part is how my ATV2 is. I have to go to the XBMC icon to launch it.
Yah the rooting would be benefical on the FireTV then as I am trying to make this as user friendly as possible so launching straight into XBMC would probably be their preferred choice anyways.

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DHeffernan said:
I'm in Canada and as far as I understand Netflix etc wouldn't work since the device technically isnt supported here yet.
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I'm in Canada and have Netflix, Pandora, etc all working great with VPN. Also, I sold both my Apple TV 2s and replaced them with Fire TVs. I am not looking back. The Apple TVs were dated and showed their age. The Fire TVs with XBMC are incredibly fast. The only thing Fire TVs are missing is AirPlay, but you can download AirPlay receiver apps on the Fire TV that will allow you to beam content easily. Here's an idea: Sell your Apple TV to your friend for $150-$175 (perfectly reasonable price for 2nd Gen), then use that money to upgrade yourself to an Amazon Fire TV for $99 while pocketing the difference.

DHeffernan said:
Currently have an ATV2 and was asked by a friend for something similar so they can have XBMC along with the Video addons to watch Icefilms etc..
Well the ATV2 is a bit outdated at this point, on top of that the price tag to get one is quite steep. I've come across the Fire TV and it seems to do the trick and it even has a remote which would involve less tinkering to get working etc.
My question is, how well is the Fire TV & XBMC setup? They care only really about the Video addons to run IceFilms, ProjectFreeTV etc.. to watch Movies/Shows.
I'm in Canada and as far as I understand Netflix etc wouldn't work since the device technically isnt supported here yet. But again, this would be mainly used for XBMC.
I know there is some other devices out there that can run the XBMC platform well, but they require then further hacking of making a universal remote to work, or hooking up a keyboard or mouse. I am looking for the cleanest solution.
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There is no comparison the hardware in the FireTV is far superior to the ATV2 not to mention you can run tons of android apps on it. The menu and fan art load times are much faster, it feels like a polished product instead of something that could reboot at any minute. XBMC has been much more stable on the FireTV. I sold my ATV2 on ebay for $230 and didn't look back. I suggest you do the same before the bottom falls out of the market for them.

Well I ordered up a FireTV last evening off ebay $130 shipped, cheapest I could find for us Canadians. You guys have a better source?
But I think you guys might have me convinced on selling my ATV2 and switching over to the FireTV, I don't use anything else on the AppleTV besides XBMC and sometimes the Radio app from Apple..
My ATV2 is still running 5.3 so its jailbroken but untethered. I know some version require the tethered jailbreak, so I think mine would bump up in value even more?

DHeffernan said:
Well I ordered up a FireTV last evening off ebay $130 shipped, cheapest I could find for us Canadians. You guys have a better source?
But I think you guys might have me convinced on selling my ATV2 and switching over to the FireTV, I don't use anything else on the AppleTV besides XBMC and sometimes the Radio app from Apple..
My ATV2 is still running 5.3 so its jailbroken but untethered. I know some version require the tethered jailbreak, so I think mine would bump up in value even more?
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You are correct you will usually get more money for an untethered jail break. It took a little work to get the FireTV setup the way I wanted it but I am very happy I made the switch. With the money I made from selling the AppleTV I am thinking about getting a second one.

XBMC on FireTV is simply amazing.
I don't have any experience with those streaming add-ons though. My XBMC plays local media only (on smb).

Newcron said:
XBMC on FireTV is simply amazing.
I don't have any experience with those streaming add-ons though. My XBMC plays local media only (on smb).
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Same here. I love XBMC on Fire TV. Works great. I've tried streaming add-ons with no issues, although I admittedly haven't watch an entire movie via a streaming add-on. But all-in-all, I'm very happy with the purchase and would buy another if I could justify it with the wife.

No brainer!
XBMC on FIRE TV dominates. ATV2 is a weak dinosaur in comparison.
Hope that helps.

As someone that ran a full house, multiple front end, centralized backend database, XBMC setup on mini-PCs for years before switching to Rokus and a FireTV, I'd call XBMC on FireTV a huge win. Ultimately, you are not going to beat the power and flexibility of a mini-PC running something like OpenElec (an embedded XBMC install), but FireTV gets you access to all the great Android apps and at a price you'd never be able to match with a mini-PC with similar performance. Plus, XBMC on FireTV is easier - it just works.

would love a work up on on best feature add-ons for XBMC , the amount of options and add-ons is overwhelming .

mcsephoenix said:
You are correct you will usually get more money for an untethered jail break. It took a little work to get the FireTV setup the way I wanted it but I am very happy I made the switch. With the money I made from selling the AppleTV I am thinking about getting a second one.
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great call on the upgrade. hola android app also works with the stock netflix app to access US netflix from canada with no charge.

Where you guys order your FireTV's from?
Anything cheaper than $130 off ebay?

DHeffernan said:
Where you guys order your FireTV's from?
Anything cheaper than $130 off ebay?
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Sure. Amazon.com. $99. Ones on Ebay are probably rooted.

jmerrilljr2 said:
Sure. Amazon.com. $99. Ones on Ebay are probably rooted.
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In Canada.. FireTV is not officialy sold here. So I can't order it off amazon.

DHeffernan said:
Where you guys order your FireTV's from?
Anything cheaper than $130 off ebay?
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If $130 is all-in price, then it isn't bad, cheapest would be around $120. If you think it in a different way, if FTV was to be launched in Canada, its price would be something like $110 CAD & with tax would come around $125 CAD (don't know your exact location so tax can differ).
If you don't wanna cross border, I would say ebay is your best bet as local Kijiji would most probably be costlier.

[Q] New to FTV. Need some info.

Hi Everyone,
A friend of mine was telling about the FTV and I thought I'd look into it. I currently have an ATV2 with XBMC installed. For the most part it works pretty good. Icefilms is hit and miss, but I don't use it very often. ATV2 is kinda getting slow and after reading about the FTV I want one. I was wondering if someone can sort me out.
First,
If I buy a unit from Amazon can it still be rooted? I heard there was a software update in June and wondering if it's been locked up like Apple does with their stuff?
Second,
I use a Harmony One remote and heard Flirc works with the Harmony Remote. Can anyone confirm this?
Third,
That same friend who told me bought the FTV said he watched a youtube video on the FTV with XBMC installed on it and said it ran really slow. Now the video was from April, so I'm hoping XBMC has made some big improvements so it works well with FTV.
Thanks,
Chevy

Yes
If you get a FireTV you will need to use URL blocking in your router to block the amazon URLs for updates before connecting the FireTV to your network. Then you will be able to use GeoHot's Towelroot to root it and disable the Amazon updater. You will want to look into SPMC (a modified version of XBMC with special patches for Android devices, etc.)
It general it is much better than ATV2......FLIRC works with Harmony remotes although I haven't got around to setting mine up yet.
All the necessary info is here on the forum. Just read through some of the the threads.

Since I don't wanna make a whole topic,here is something that makes Fire TV chug a little.
Try this expirimental WebGL thingy in Chrome for Android on Fire TV.
http://www.chromeexperiments.com/detail/eye-texture-raytracer/
It even makes my mouse controls lag a bit,but otherwise does a nice job considering how extreme the test is.
Edit:More things to look at on a Fire TV using Chrome or Opera browser.
http://www.threejs.org/

Thanks all. I'm going to get one. One question though, I was looking on eBay and found a bunch that were already rooted and had xbmc or spmc already installed. In the description they were saying "get them while you can as the new version is unrootable". Anyone think it's OK to buy from eBay or just go with Amazon?
Thanks,
Chevy

chevy2410 said:
Thanks all. I'm going to get one. One question though, I was looking on eBay and found a bunch that were already rooted and had xbmc or spmc already installed. In the description they were saying "get them while you can as the new version is unrootable". Anyone think it's OK to buy from eBay or just go with Amazon?
Thanks,
Chevy
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Is it cheaper/more expensive? Definitely get it from amazon. That way it is fully warrantied under your name if you have any problems they will help you. I got mine from Best Buy and it had the firmware 51.1.1.0_user_511069920.. It downloaded the next update automatically which is 51.1.1.0_user_511070220 (the last rootable firmware). I even clicked "check for updates" and it never pushed the un-rootable version.
I think they sent out a limited roll out of the unrootable firmware since the according to amazon this is the same version I have.
sorry cant post the link since im a new user search google for "amazon fire tv firmware" should be the first link
I would recommend to block the updates either on the router by blocking the amazon domains or using adb and disabling the apk which updates the ftv

chevy2410 said:
Thanks all. I'm going to get one. One question though, I was looking on eBay and found a bunch that were already rooted and had xbmc or spmc already installed. In the description they were saying "get them while you can as the new version is unrootable". Anyone think it's OK to buy from eBay or just go with Amazon?
Thanks,
Chevy
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Was in the same boat as you couple of weeks ago, had a ATV2 got a FTV for someone else and realized how much faster and better it was so I sold my ATV for $250, and bought a FTV for myself. On top of that I bought 2 more to install xbmc and sell
Anyways, the FTV runs wicked fast with XBMC, not sure what you saw but there is a pretty good video here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G23u1TtluE
I'd say just buy one from amazon, too bad they were just on sale for $84 a few days ago and staples even had them down as low as $65 after some coupon.
The rooting is simple and fast and to disable the updates is just 1 command you type in. I wouldn't pay more for a unit that's already rooted unless I didn't know wtf I was doing.

I would recommend to block the updates either on the router by blocking the amazon domains or using adb and disabling the apk which updates the ftv
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Do you know what the URL is for blocking the updates?
The rooting is simple and fast and to disable the updates is just 1 command you type in. I wouldn't pay more for a unit that's already rooted unless I didn't know wtf I was doing.
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I'm pretty handy at rooting and so forth. I've rooted my wife and myself android phones over the last few years so this should be pretty straight forward. I think I'll just get it through Amazon, just in case I need warranty or something.
Thanks,
Chevy

chevy2410 said:
Do you know what the URL is for blocking the updates?
I'm pretty handy at rooting and so forth. I've rooted my wife and myself android phones over the last few years so this should be pretty straight forward. I think I'll just get it through Amazon, just in case I need warranty or something.
Thanks,
Chevy
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There are instructions here, http://www.aftvnews.com/ for taking a new box and installing without getting updates and then blocking updates.

Thanks to everyone for all the info. I bought one from Amazon and should have it on Tuesday.
Chevy

[Q] Media Box Blues (looking for a media player box)

I'm asking the old question, which media box to buy? I aready got the WD Live Hub. That was slow and un-hackable. I return that joker. I see there are android and linx type boxes. So many brands. They always talk about the streaming aspects of the box. Frankly I just want a box I and plug an 3TB external hard drive into and it run fast. Bam, Xbmc pops and and away I go. I would like to take the box to a place where there is no internet and it work fine. I would like a box that could be hooked up to a network in the future. The box would need to be wireless as well. Fast xbmc, I can't stress that enough. Streaming channels are nice, but they are not my focus. A remote that is simple and works, and a box that play all formats of media files. A box not more than a hundred dollars U.S. I noticed there is something called a rasberry pi; but, it's hard to set up. Just to get it to reconize an external hard drive, you have to have a computer degree. I've google and you tube'd the hell out of this delima with no clear answer.
However...
The Amazon fire looks nice. I've be trying to gain knowlege about it. The first thing found out it that there has been an update that prevents rooting. Beware the software version before you buy.
Questions I still have regarding the Fire:
1. Can it play videos from the 3TB WB HD Books?
2. Can XBMC (Kodi) play anime with subtiltes?
3. Does any one know of a fourm devoted to "Fire TV" modding?
4. I'm sure it can play MKV's, but can it play Xvid and Divx?
5. What are the common issues with the "Fire TV" that other boxes don't have?

bottom_tooth said:
I'm asking the old question, which media box to buy? I aready got the WD Live Hub. That was slow and un-hackable. I return that joker. I see there are android and linx type boxes. So many brands. They always talk about the streaming aspects of the box. Frankly I just want a box I and plug an 3TB external hard drive into and it run fast. Bam, Xbmc pops and and away I go. I would like to take the box to a place where there is no internet and it work fine. I would like a box that could be hooked up to a network in the future. The box would need to be wireless as well. Fast xbmc, I can't stress that enough. Streaming channels are nice, but they are not my focus. A remote that is simple and works, and a box that play all formats of media files. A box not more than a hundred dollars U.S. I noticed there is something called a rasberry pi; but, it's hard to set up. Just to get it to reconize an external hard drive, you have to have a computer degree. I've google and you tube'd the hell out of this delima with no clear answer.
However...
The Amazon fire looks nice. I've be trying to gain knowlege about it. The first thing found out it that there has been an update that prevents rooting. Beware the software version before you buy.
Questions I still have regarding the Fire:
1. Can it play videos from the 3TB WB HD Books?
2. Can XBMC (Kodi) play anime with subtiltes?
3. Does any one know of a fourm devoted to "Fire TV" modding?
4. I'm sure it can play MKV's, but can it play Xvid and Divx?
5. What are the common issues with the "Fire TV" that other boxes don't have?
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Well, the FireTV is a nice piece of hardware. It is affordable and does a lot of things that you ask for. But it is no out of the box solution that I think you are looking for. You should know a little about computers, for example how to sideload XBMC and other apps on your FireTV.
1. Connecting a USB HD is only possible if you root your FireTV (AFAIK). If you would put your content on a NAS and stream it through your network it works fine, even without rooting the device.
2. XBMC can play vids with subtitles.
3. I think you are at a pretty good spot already to find some information on getting the most out of the FireTV
4. XBMC can play pretty much any format.
5. The main issue is that you don't know which firmware version you will get if you order a FireTV right now. Chances are that you get (like me) a FireTV that has a firmware which is not rootable yet and there are no signs of getting it done any time soon. But since I only use it to stream content from my NAS it does the trick for me without rooting. XBMC is blazing fast on the FireTV and I haven't found anything that really disturbs me.

Ultraschorsch said:
Well, the FireTV is a nice piece of hardware. It is affordable and does a lot of things that you ask for. But it is no out of the box solution that I think you are looking for. You should know a little about computers, for example how to sideload XBMC and other apps on your FireTV.
1. Connecting a USB HD is only possible if you root your FireTV (AFAIK). If you would put your content on a NAS and stream it through your network it works fine, even without rooting the device.
2. XBMC can play vids with subtitles.
3. I think you are at a pretty good spot already to find some information on getting the most out of the FireTV
4. XBMC can play pretty much any format.
5. The main issue is that you don't know which firmware version you will get if you order a FireTV right now. Chances are that you get (like me) a FireTV that has a firmware which is not rootable yet and there are no signs of getting it done any time soon. But since I only use it to stream content from my NAS it does the trick for me without rooting. XBMC is blazing fast on the FireTV and I haven't found anything that really disturbs me.
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I can't say how much I thank you for replying to my post. Fire TV is looking more and more like the right choice. It seems the only issue is I much buy an other model so I may root it. Where would I buy it? I see ebay has them pre-rooted and already loaded with XBMC. However, they are a bit much and I would like to learn how to do it myself if it isn't too hard.
In the past I've modded a Wii and more. As long as it's not too hard, It's fun for me.
Another question comes to mind. I see the box only has a Hdmi out put. This fire TV might be hooked up to an old TV that has RCA in-puts (Yellow, Red, White). I see ebay has a wire that goes from Hdmi to RCA (Yellow, Red, White). Would this work with Fire TV? Would I be able to smash the picture so it would fit?
Back on the external hard drive issue. I have Western Digital books. Most of them are 3TB. Will the fire tv (rooted) work with WD drives and one that is so large?
After having to return a box (The WD Live Hub). I'm kind of shy about buying anything, in fear of it not working as I need it to work. Would any one know of any issue I might have with the fire tv? Thanks for your replies they really help.

Primary reason to root is because USB media storage is not supported.
The Fire TV devs need to update with USB media storage access in the same fashion that they enabled unknown sources in the latest update.
It also can't load widgets (besides Memory Cleaner to clear AMA 400MB+ RAM usage),not even working in Lucid Launcher,and it can't use wallpapers.
But you can install the two dependant LWP apps from a ROM to view LWPs while not being able to use them either,but hey,you can view them and even interact them when using a mouse/trackpad.

retroben said:
Primary reason to root is because USB media storage is not supported.
The Fire TV devs need to update with USB media storage access in the same fashion that they enabled unknown sources in the latest update.
It also can't load widgets (besides Memory Cleaner to clear AMA 400MB+ RAM usage),not even working in Lucid Launcher,and it can't use wallpapers.
But you can install the two dependant LWP apps from a ROM to view LWPs while not being able to use them either,but hey,you can view them and even interact them when using a mouse/trackpad.
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What I got from this is I have to have a rooted Fire TV. Then you go into things unknown, *my head explodes*.
These questions still stand...
It seems the only issue is I much buy an other model so I may root it. Where would I buy it? I see ebay has them pre-rooted and already loaded with XBMC. However, they are a bit much and I would like to learn how to do it myself if it isn't too hard.
In the past I've modded a Wii and more. As long as it's not too hard, It's fun for me.
Another question comes to mind. I see the box only has a Hdmi out put. This fire TV might be hooked up to an old TV that has RCA in-puts (Yellow, Red, White). I see ebay has a wire that goes from Hdmi to RCA (Yellow, Red, White). Would this work with Fire TV? Would I be able to smash the picture so it would fit?
Back on the external hard drive issue. I have Western Digital books. Most of them are 3TB. Will the fire tv (rooted) work with WD drives and one that is so large?

bottom_tooth said:
I can't say how much I thank you for replying to my post. Fire TV is looking more and more like the right choice. It seems the only issue is I much buy an other model so I may root it. Where would I buy it? I see ebay has them pre-rooted and already loaded with XBMC. However, they are a bit much and I would like to learn how to do it myself if it isn't too hard.
In the past I've modded a Wii and more. As long as it's not too hard, It's fun for me.
Another question comes to mind. I see the box only has a Hdmi out put. This fire TV might be hooked up to an old TV that has RCA in-puts (Yellow, Red, White). I see ebay has a wire that goes from Hdmi to RCA (Yellow, Red, White). Would this work with Fire TV? Would I be able to smash the picture so it would fit?
Back on the external hard drive issue. I have Western Digital books. Most of them are 3TB. Will the fire tv (rooted) work with WD drives and one that is so large?
After having to return a box (The WD Live Hub). I'm kind of shy about buying anything, in fear of it not working as I need it to work. Would any one know of any issue I might have with the fire tv? Thanks for your replies they really help.
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No problem, you can hit the "Thanks" button if you like
If I were you I would buy the pre-rooted version on eBay. Not that I don't think that you can't do it. But it is definitely possible that you get a FireTV that is not rootable and then you pretty much have to send it back or buy a NAS for a couple of hundred bucks in order to watch your content. If you get the pre-rooted FireTV it should work with your external drive, no matter how big the HDD is.
I don't know about the adaptor cable you have seen on eBay. It might work, but I can't tell you for sure.

Ultraschorsch said:
No problem, you can hit the "Thanks" button if you like
If I were you I would buy the pre-rooted version on eBay. Not that I don't think that you can't do it. But it is definitely possible that you get a FireTV that is not rootable and then you pretty much have to send it back or buy a NAS for a couple of hundred bucks in order to watch your content. If you get the pre-rooted FireTV it should work with your external drive, no matter how big the HDD is.
I don't know about the adaptor cable you have seen on eBay. It might work, but I can't tell you for sure.
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If I were to buy the fire TV from ebay, I guess I can come here and mod it more to my liking.
So you know what I'm talking about regarding the Hdmi to RCA wire, here is a link
Edit: I can't get you the link. I'm a noob and it wont let me. However, you might go to ebay and search the following words., "hdmi to rca"
If any one else has the Fire TV hooked up to an old tv, let me know if this will work.

Can't help with the RCA setup, but I'm interested in the answer.
I regularly use the FIRE TV in offline mode. When rooted, you can do all sorts of cool things. I have gotten mine setup as a WiFi Hotspot, I've also got an FTP server setup serving my media off the connected USB drive, so I can connect other devices to it again in offline mode. I've also shared the wired connection to WiFi connected devices so that can work as well to provide Internet.
The above takes up very little space in a travel bag, but gets you the comforts of home while on the road.
I can confirm though, all HDMI output from the FireTV is HDCP protected, so make sure any adapter is HDCP compliant. There are HDMI splitters that don't pass that on though.

Issue one: Will the Fire TV work with a Hdmi to RCA wire. I need to know of a person doing this and with what device. So sort of box or is there a setting in fire tv that coverts it's signal to analog.
Issue Two: From what I'm reading, I'm getting conflecting report regarding if the Fire TV can play AVI's (Divx, Xvid, etc.)
Most of my videos are in that file format and converting them would take far two long. It would also be a deal breaker with Fire TV.

bottom_tooth said:
Issue one: Will the Fire TV work with a Hdmi to RCA wire. I need to know of a person doing this and with what device. So sort of box or is there a setting in fire tv that coverts it's signal to analog.
Issue Two: From what I'm reading, I'm getting conflecting report regarding if the Fire TV can play AVI's (Divx, Xvid, etc.)
Most of my videos are in that file format and converting them would take far two long. It would also be a deal breaker with Fire TV.
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I don't think you are doing yourself a big favour with using your old TV with the FireTV. I looked for HDCP compliant boxes that adapt the HDMI signal to component. I think there is no cable that can do the job, you need to buy a box that does this. And those are not exactly cheap. And even with this box you will still only get SD content on your TV.
I would invest that money in a new or used TV with HDMI. You will get a far better result with much less hassle.

Ultraschorsch said:
I don't think you are doing yourself a big favour with using your old TV with the FireTV. I looked for HDCP compliant boxes that adapt the HDMI signal to component. I think there is no cable that can do the job, you need to buy a box that does this. And those are not exactly cheap. And even with this box you will still only get SD content on your TV.
I would invest that money in a new or used TV with HDMI. You will get a far better result with much less hassle.
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I agree regarding the TV issue. Truth-be-told, the fire TV isn't for me. I watch everything from my computer.
Maybe the Fire TV isn't an option. The person this is for most likely doesn't want to spend more money on a converter, and i don't think he'll get a new tv soon. Also, I still don't know of the fire TV play AVI (divx, Xvid). Most of my files are in that format.
So, my next question would be... Is there another box that has the kind of specs the fire has and has a RCA out put and can play AVI (Divx, Xvid) among other file types like Mp4, MKV. It has to be fast like the fire and four usb 3.0 ports would be nice. .....oh and can play from an external 3tb hdd. Having a simple slick remote like the fire is a real plus.

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I agree regarding the TV issue. Truth-be-told, the fire TV isn't for me. I watch everything from my computer.
Maybe the Fire TV isn't an option. The person this is for most likely doesn't want to spend more money on a converter, and i don't think he'll get a new tv soon. Also, I still don't know of the fire TV play AVI (divx, Xvid). Most of my files are in that format.
So, my next question would be... Is there another box that has the kind of specs the fire has and has a RCA out put and can play AVI (Divx, Xvid) among other file types like Mp4, MKV. It has to be fast like the fire and four usb 3.0 ports would be nice. .....oh and can play from an external 3tb hdd. Having a simple slick remote like the fire is a real plus.
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I have 2 fire TV boxes and while both are rooted and run quite well. XBMC is a real powerhouse and can run anything you throw at it, even iso files. But, I find the locked down nature of the FireTv a real bummer. I have been seeing many videos on YouTube surface on the ProBox2. If I were to throw in the towel it might be on one of those. Check out a guy Spoonfed Productions on youtube also.

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I have 2 fire TV boxes and while both are rooted and run quite well. XBMC is a real powerhouse and can run anything you throw at it, even iso files. But, I find the locked down nature of the FireTv a real bummer. I have been seeing many videos on YouTube surface on the ProBox2. If I were to throw in the towel it might be on one of those. Check out a guy Spoonfed Productions on youtube also.
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Is there anything close to the ProBox2. The box seems ok. Right off the bat I see some issues. First the forum for support seems a bit lacking. It just has 2 usb ports and they are 2.0. The air mouse remote doesn't have a FF and Rew button. The price at $150 is waaaaaaay too much. I does have a A/V port. I see it can play AVI's. I don't know if it can play Divx & Xvid codec? I need to have confirmation that it play videos from a 3TB hard drive with no issues on XBMC. I need to know if it can use Wireless "G". I just can't find a good forum for the device. Is there another device that is better?

thinking of getting an aftv

hi all,
currently live in uk and thinking of getting an aftv to replace my ageing shuttle htpc
the main use will be for xbmc but ive been reading through some posts and just want to confirm i can install this easily as rooting seems to be getting blocked.?
also, what are your thoughts about purchasing an aftv over another android box
thanks

ratski said:
hi all,
currently live in uk and thinking of getting an aftv to replace my ageing shuttle htpc
the main use will be for xbmc but ive been reading through some posts and just want to confirm i can install this easily as rooting seems to be getting blocked.?
also, what are your thoughts about purchasing an aftv over another android box
thanks
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I have no regrets whatsoever about purchasing my aftv, and my main use for it is xbmc/kodi as well. It plays everything I throw at it just fine. There are some limitations when playing certain rips, but the technicality of all that is beyond me and again I have yet to have any media that wouldn't play just fine.
I don't think anything is different in the UK as far as sideloading apps. Sideloading should be easily accomplished with one the community utilities here on XDA, or just by using ADB. I remember reading something a while ago about XBMC/Kodi not installing on aftv's outside the US, but I believe that has since been resolved....found it - http://www.aftvnews.com/xbmc-kodi-incompatible-with-fire-tv-software-version-51-1-40_user_514005520/.
My next htpc/android type box will most likely be a Chromebox mainly for the options to upgrade memory as well as dualboot options that are out there. I personally have no real desire for android apps on my tv, other than root specific apps. Right now aftv's are going on sale all the time, and the only reason I haven't gotten another is I picked up two Fire Sticks over the holiday and am holding out for a Chromebox build.

I am in the UK as well. XBMC works fine on it. However the UK Fire TV cannot be rooted. This means you cannot access media through the USB port. So it depends on where you store your files, the Fire TV is fine with network storage, but (without root) useless with an external drive.
It's a shame Amazon is clamping down on the fire tv's hackability. Otherwise it's a nice little box, very fast, bluetooth remote, wired network, optical audio out.

thanks for the replies.
my main use is xbmc, which definately looks like it can be sideloaded in uk without a problem so thats good news.
shame about usb media as have a few movies on my ext hard drive but i suppose nas storage is the way to go now days so maybe excuse to upgrade#
ill pick up an aftv in next few days then and look to find the latest guide for xbmc install, cheers

ratski said:
thanks for the replies.
my main use is xbmc, which definately looks like it can be sideloaded in uk without a problem so thats good news.
shame about usb media as have a few movies on my ext hard drive but i suppose nas storage is the way to go now days so maybe excuse to upgrade#
ill pick up an aftv in next few days then and look to find the latest guide for xbmc install, cheers
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buy it from the US. you get rootable ones here. still

have one
picked up a stick for my old man and side loaded xmbc on it he enjoys it may pick up the game controller for some android and emulator games. none of these functions need root. as for usb storage it was never really meant for that anyways it was built as a hd video player to compete with roku and chromecast it just happens to do more. i many picked it up for wwe app as well due to his smart blueray player being to old for that app.

Some people will disagree but it would have to be rootable for me to buy another one. People complain about low memory issues but I've never experience that because I can store thumbnails on external. That's really my main reason for the hdd since I play my movies & tv from a nas device.
Maybe someone who owns one can say why not but if your going to get one without root--why not save some money & buy a fire tv stick?

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buy it from the US. you get rootable ones here. still
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Not if you buy it from Amazon you wont. I just bought a second one and it shipped with the latest version of firmware.
You can probably find one at a big box store tho.

Frankly for me, the AFTV was my best purchase in a long time.
Before I got the box, i was running a massive Athlon 955 PC, watercooled, in a huge Antec case. It was still noisy, bulky (and my toddler loved poking it every chance she could get). I was running it just for XBMC, and didn't really have a good setup for accessing other content. The machine was falling apart, and while shopping for a new media PC, i ran across this box, and that it could support XBMC, along with native apps for amazon, netflix, and hulu...
Where i am getting.. a $75 (85 if you include the Nyko game pad) frankly handles XBMC better than the PC, and i don't have to do ridiculous crap to try to get Hulu and Netflix to integrate. It has played all my media perfectly, and the addition of some basic gaming is a real bonus. Keep in mind, most of the benefits are available without rooting.. you can still sideload apps, , you just cant change your launcher, etc.... If you are interested, give it a shot.

So purchased today :good:
Before I plug in and setup should I try and follow a guide to root by blocking updates or am I already screwed as from the uk (got it from a retail currys store)
It's a shame it looks like I won't be able to stream via usb but my main use is xbmc so to be honest I think I may just plug in and figure out how to side load as I'm not as clued up as some in here

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Not if you buy it from Amazon you wont. I just bought a second one and it shipped with the latest version of firmware.
You can probably find one at a big box store tho.
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Well it depends from where are you picking up your stock from Amazon. I'm in LA and till date I have yet to see a non rootable version come through. I just did a friends who's firetv arrived on Thursday and it was purchased on prime on Tuesday. Infact it was the sweet first version which is an easy way up. I've also seen flavors where you have to put the rom in the sdcard instead of cache and or another flavor where the version is not the first where you have to downgrade to go up. The latest version needed a chmod 777 to be added as the file copy to folder was denied.
Essentially you still get rootable ones from amazon. I suggest if you have friends in LA and or the west coast, I suggest get it shipped there and then have them ship it out to you. Just trying to help.

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Well it depends from where are you picking up your stock from Amazon. I'm in LA and till date I have yet to see a non rootable version come through. I just did a friends who's firetv arrived on Thursday and it was purchased on prime on Tuesday. Infact it was the sweet first version which is an easy way up. I've also seen flavors where you have to put the rom in the sdcard instead of cache and or another flavor where the version is not the first where you have to downgrade to go up. The latest version needed a chmod 777 to be added as the file copy to folder was denied.
Essentially you still get rootable ones from amazon. I suggest if you have friends in LA and or the west coast, I suggest get it shipped there and then have them ship it out to you. Just trying to help.
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Glad there are still a few in the system. I think at this point Id be buying them from a big box store. I have one rooted and one that cant be rooted. Thankfully the non rootable is just the kid's unit so its not THAT big a deal.

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Not if you buy it from Amazon you wont. I just bought a second one and it shipped with the latest version of firmware.
You can probably find one at a big box store tho.
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MadFlava said:
Glad there are still a few in the system. I think at this point Id be buying them from a big box store. I have one rooted and one that cant be rooted. Thankfully the non rootable is just the kid's unit so its not THAT big a deal.
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Not sure which bigbox still carry's the firetv. In LA I couldn't find them at staples or bestbuy. bestbuy used to carry it when it was launched. but I agree the big box stores would most likely have the old stock. I too have one non rooted one for my parents. but I'm gonna switch them out too for the rooted one.

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Not sure which bigbox still carry's the firetv. In LA I couldn't find them at staples or bestbuy. bestbuy used to carry it when it was launched. but I agree the big box stores would most likely have the old stock. I too have one non rooted one for my parents. but I'm gonna switch them out too for the rooted one.
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Ive seen them at Best Buy and Staples but thats on the east coast.....

The BB in Culver city has loads of AFTV and the fire sticks. In NYC at the minute and 5th Ave and Astoria have AFTV but no sticks.

I picked up another one at Staples as a gift for my dad. It was rootable so Im keeping it and giving him the non rootable one. He doesnt need root and I think would prefer the simplicity of the Amazon launcher.

The other way around, fire tv on generic android box?

Sorry if this is dumb/answered ? but their is so much noise about jailbreak/rooting fire tv hardware I can't seem to find if their is a way to load a fire tv rom onto a generic box? I'd like to take a generic quad core $40ish box and spoof it into a easy to use $100 fire tv box, I planning on giving this away to my aunt and for $40 ok, but at $100 not so much.. I thinking I'm gonna end up with getting the ftv stick, unless their are free range fire roms I'm unaware of??

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Sorry if this is dumb/answered ? but their is so much noise about jailbreak/rooting fire tv hardware I can't seem to find if their is a way to load a fire tv rom onto a generic box? I'd like to take a generic quad core $40ish box and spoof it into a easy to use $100 fire tv box, I planning on giving this away to my aunt and for $40 ok, but at $100 not so much.. I thinking I'm gonna end up with getting the ftv stick, unless their are free range fire roms I'm unaware of??
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it's not dumb, but I think with different hardware, it just doesn't mesh...

Not sure about the hardware, some of the $50 china boxes "seem" to be snapdragon but are they? Like this one..
M8 qualcomm AML8726-M8 Quad Core Cortex A9 2.0 GHz TV Box
http://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...0042986616.html?spm=a2700.7724838.35.1.yD46Nw

scottfree1 said:
Not sure about the hardware, some of the $50 china boxes "seem" to be snapdragon but are they? Like this one..
M8 qualcomm AML8726-M8 Quad Core Cortex A9 2.0 GHz TV Box
http://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...0042986616.html?spm=a2700.7724838.35.1.yD46Nw
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Even if they were snapdragon, this would be a challenging attempt. There are far more nuances than just the hardware itself to get something like this done. more power to you if you wanted to attempt it, but your best bet would be to get the Fire TV Stick if you want around a $40 price tag.

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Even if they were snapdragon, this would be a challenging attempt. There are far more nuances than just the hardware itself to get something like this done. more power to you if you wanted to attempt it, but your best bet would be to get the Fire TV Stick if you want around a $40 price tag.
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Yeah, I really don't like locked down devices, esp. ones where like amz they actually spend programming $$ on disabling available workarounds. I'm fine with a tos of were locked and if you break the lock you're on your own, but not with, I see your lock is broken.. Don't worry we'll fix that, bring me some cement!!
But, I need to remind myself IT NOT FOR ME, not sure it worked, my aunt is 75 but pretty technically competent working in accounts rec. before retiring so she has plenty of time on a computer. But still the generic boxes just aren't slick enough for me to give as a gift. And I have a prime account that I don't use for streaming so I figured that fire would be A relative hassel free device.
Shes coming to visit this week and to avoid the $300ish to get a 5th tv on my sat system, I figure a ftv in the guest room, and if she likes it she takes it home. Anyone know if amazon is gonna throw a fit if my address is socal, and my ftv is in wash. st.?

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Anyone know if amazon is gonna throw a fit if my address is socal, and my ftv is in wash. st.?
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You will be OK doing so. I live in North Carolina and set my sister up with the Fire TV and Amazon Prime in New York. Be sure to enable pin protection so no unwanted purchases get tied to your Amazon account.

So she is streaming from your prime account, have you used it at the same time from your location? Did amazon pre-crime show-up throwing spiders? (sorry watched minority report this weekend)