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Is it just my imagination?

I got my Touch pro 2 from att about a little over a week ago. Now I must have flashed 10 roms on the phone so far. I used to have the first generation tilt for 2 years. Going from that to the new tilt 2 I am not that impressed with the difference in speed. I am wondering was the first generation tilt fully pimped out really that good for what it was or do we still have a way to go with the tp2 as far as development goes. That aside I feel the speed is only marginally better so far, aside from the hardware differences I am wondering, is this as good as it is going to get? Any other opinions about this? Just wondering what the consensus is.

ucanthang29 said:
I got my Touch pro 2 from att about a little over a week ago. Now I must have flashed 10 roms on the phone so far. I used to have the first generation tilt for 2 years. Going from that to the new tilt 2 I am not that impressed with the difference in speed. I am wondering was the first generation tilt fully pimped out really that good for what it was or do we still have a way to go with the tp2 as far as development goes. That aside I feel the speed is only marginally better so far, aside from the hardware differences I am wondering, is this as good as it is going to get? Any other opinions about this? Just wondering what the consensus is.
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Hello there... I also have the original Tilt (Kaiser) as well as the Tilt 2 now... I can really tell as well as you that the speed is not so much improved from the original at 400Mhz... and now 528 or so... those 100+ Mhz are lost with the new screen resolution and software like TouchFlo 3D... so it's pretty much the same thing when speaking about performance... The only things that I can tell for sure are...:
-> GPS Lock is awesome from 10 sec - 40 Sec... easy... (much better than Tilt 1)
-> Screen is a huge plus... obviously...
-> Tilt function same as Tilt 1... sluggish as hell often.
-> Camera is more or less the same thing... (a bit more resolution on the Tilt 2 but slow and buggy as Tilt 1 in my opinion)
-> Plus on Proximity / G-Sensor...
Also I have to mention something that everybody already knows... We all know that "in the World of PDA's the Iphone is just a toy" but I have to say that the touch sensibility / quality is much, much better on the Toy (Iphone 3G/3GS/Ipod Touch) than any HTC or whatever brand PDA including the HTC's Touch Pro 2 of course... I was hopping to finally get a much better Touch Screen on the Tilt 2 and I was disappointed as usual. The question stands... when are we going to get an Iphone kind of touch screen on our PDA's...?
I can continue and post a complete review... lol... but that's not the idea...
Now... what I find strange that nobody seems to realize is that there is no support for Flash on the new Tilt2 (with Opera)... I already tried to install the Juggalo_X Official Flash Lite 3.1 CE-OS 20757.cab plus replaced the Opera browser with other versions and there is no way I can get Flash working on the Tilt 2. Am I the only one that wants or would like to have Flash working? This was done in 2 minutes on the Tilt 1... and works great on Tilt 1... any ideas?

Well I am glad someone responded and shared my sentiment. It is a little bit of a let down so far with the tilt 2. The one issue I now am pending is do I return my phone before the 30 days and go back to the tilt and hold out for something down the pike for the holidays or get something to hold me over till then and get the leo whenever it makes its way down here. Samsung Omnia 2 will be arriving in multiple carriers soon I think as well. You get an 800 mhz processor with that and it def seems sleeker. Not sure what to do at this point. Unless there is an explosion of really quick and eye catching roms that maximize the performance of this device I dont think I will keep it past the 30 days.

Damn
I have a day one Tilt. I had about twelve roms on it ,including TPC Titanium Ultimate 23053. That was the fastest rom I ever had on my Tilt. The stock ATT ROM on my Tilt 2 murdered it. A co-worker at work has a 3GS and tried out my phone and was very impressed with the Touch screen. Apparently, as was the case with my original tilt, each batch has subtle differences. Even Cnet was impressed with it. Newtek, people realize. They just use skyfire or internet explorer mobile. There is a workaround for Opera, but it's hit or miss like the original fix.

If I am not mistaken, didn't the tilt 1 have only 64 megabytes of ram. For me, the hugest difference between my mogul and my previous phone, the Touch pro, was the HUGE gap in ram that I gained, ALONG with the drastically better resolution. Those two alone made the upgrade worth it by far. On my mogul, I would always have to fight for roms that give me 50% free ram at boot and could rarely multi-task. I get my Touch Pro 2 on monday. I don't expect it to be much different from my Touch Pro because it technically has the same guts. I will be looking foreward to the nice big screen though.

newtek1 said:
Also I have to mention something that everybody already knows... We all know that "in the World of PDA's the Iphone is just a toy" but I have to say that the touch sensibility / quality is much, much better on the Toy (Iphone 3G/3GS/Ipod Touch) than any HTC or whatever brand PDA including the HTC's Touch Pro 2 of course... I was hopping to finally get a much better Touch Screen on the Tilt 2 and I was disappointed as usual. The question stands... when are we going to get an Iphone kind of touch screen on our PDA's...?
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As soon as the HTC Touch HD2 is available. It's the first HTC device that contains a capacitive touch screen like the "toy" and the cpu has twice the speed as well.
André

well
i think kaiser is a real good cellphone ..but tp2 is better ...

I loved my original Tilt, but after getting my Tilt 2 there is no going back.
For me:
1. The screen is SOO much nicer and bigger..
2. It much more responsive the gestures and finger friendly.
3. It not instant but is noticeably faster than the Kaiser overall.
4. My experience with Opera is nicer and faster.
5. My GPS lock is MUCH quicker.
6. It retrieves my e-mail faster.
I for one am happy.

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Now... what I find strange that nobody seems to realize is that there is no support for Flash on the new Tilt2 (with Opera)... I already tried to install the Juggalo_X Official Flash Lite 3.1 CE-OS 20757.cab plus replaced the Opera browser with other versions and there is no way I can get Flash working on the Tilt 2. Am I the only one that wants or would like to have Flash working? This was done in 2 minutes on the Tilt 1... and works great on Tilt 1... any ideas?
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Skyfire's flash built in works great.

newtek1 said:
Also I have to mention something that everybody already knows... We all know that "in the World of PDA's the Iphone is just a toy" but I have to say that the touch sensibility / quality is much, much better on the Toy (Iphone 3G/3GS/Ipod Touch) than any HTC or whatever brand PDA including the HTC's Touch Pro 2 of course... I was hopping to finally get a much better Touch Screen on the Tilt 2 and I was disappointed as usual. The question stands... when are we going to get an Iphone kind of touch screen on our PDA's...?
I can continue and post a complete review... lol... but that's not the idea...
Now... what I find strange that nobody seems to realize is that there is no support for Flash on the new Tilt2 (with Opera)... I already tried to install the Juggalo_X Official Flash Lite 3.1 CE-OS 20757.cab plus replaced the Opera browser with other versions and there is no way I can get Flash working on the Tilt 2. Am I the only one that wants or would like to have Flash working? This was done in 2 minutes on the Tilt 1... and works great on Tilt 1... any ideas?
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If you prefer the way touch works in iPhone then you have to wait for HTC Leo which is also based on capactive screen. TP2 and others are all based in resistive screen.
As for Flash Lite 3.1, it comes with IE on TP2. Anyway, Adobe will make available the full Flash 10.1 player for WM phone. Public beta before end of the year.

att tilt 2 opera flash problem
kierandill said:
Skyfire's flash built in works great.
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i have the same problem at first when i got the phone it worked in opera but when i did a clear storage aka hard reset it stopped working. i called att and they called htc both of them had no clue that that would happen if you do a hard reset. so they sent me another phone i got it yesterday and set the phone up and it still didnt work. well they sent me a refurbed phone. so now today i have two tilt 2's that wont work right i have another one coming it friday and it is supposed to be brand new. i have tried every flash lite on the web and opera and it doesnt work. they are doing some thing to the phone. htc says that it is supposed to be on the phone but it looks like to me they set it in the phone as a third party software and if you reset the phone you lose it and after you can find flash lite and install it it still doesnt work in opera and p ie doesnt work as well after either. so they are about to lose alot of money becuase its supposed to work and it doesnt. but if anyone out there knows how to make it work with opera and tilt 2 windows mobile 6.5 email me asap at [email protected]

twilite318 said:
i have the same problem at first when i got the phone it worked in opera but when i did a clear storage aka hard reset it stopped working. i called att and they called htc both of them had no clue that that would happen if you do a hard reset. so they sent me another phone i got it yesterday and set the phone up and it still didnt work. well they sent me a refurbed phone. so now today i have two tilt 2's that wont work right i have another one coming it friday and it is supposed to be brand new. i have tried every flash lite on the web and opera and it doesnt work. they are doing some thing to the phone. htc says that it is supposed to be on the phone but it looks like to me they set it in the phone as a third party software and if you reset the phone you lose it and after you can find flash lite and install it it still doesnt work in opera and p ie doesnt work as well after either. so they are about to lose alot of money becuase its supposed to work and it doesnt. but if anyone out there knows how to make it work with opera and tilt 2 windows mobile 6.5 email me asap at [email protected]
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Dude?!! Did you even read this thread. Opera does not do flash out the box!!! There is nothing wrong with any of those phones. Use Skyfire! There is a hack someone created to do flash on Opera. It's called Opera flash fix. Stop wasting your time and HTC and ATT's time with this issue. Adobe is supposed to make Flash 10 compatible with Windows Mobile later this year.

[Q] Touch vs Touch Pro - which to get

Hi all,
I have Palm Treo 700p's and want to update a bit without losing my fair and flex
family plan with Sprint; unfortunately Spring says I can't upgrade to any of the
phones that natively run Android,
I learned about flashing HTC phones running WM and have been trying to learn.
Trying to decide between the Touch or Touch Pro which seem to be the newest
HTC phones I can use.
It appears that the Touch had the best support but the developers have moved
on and the Touch Pro may now be getting more support; do I read this correctly?
Which would you recommend, Touch or Touch Pro, or is there another phone I
should check with Sprint for use?
I welcome your input
Thanks
FS

You're going to be very disappointed if you expect either of these phones to run Android natively well.
This port isn't nearly done. Perhaps the only phone (to my knowledge) that could be considered complete is the HTC Vogue - which is ironically the original Touch you are probably speaking of.
The TouchPro IMHO is a better phone (the keyboard is fantastic - only better is on the TP2 ) but does not run Android very well. Android is just a plaything, for testing and for fun on most WinCE devices.
To sum up - the Vogue & the HD2 have the most complete port of Android, with the Vogue probably being considered "completely finished" (full NAND), however... that hardware is old. HD2 is very promising, they have a few little bugs to squash and then NAND... But no HD2 love for Sprint.
Not sure how good of an Android experience it is on the Vogue. Won't ever be that fantastic on the TP or TP2 tho.... Old hardware there as well my friend

I was in the same boat. have a great (cheap) old data plan that I was not willing to give up.
I went with a touch diamond. My previous phone was a vogue.
I can say that the diamond is a far better phone than the vogue. Better screen, more responsive touchscreen, better video, accelerometer, better camera... but the Vogue probably does better with Android since it can run Android from Nand instead of the storage (SD) card.
Android is fun on the Diamond, but its pretty crippled. No camera. No speakerphone for things like GPS. Poor battery life. Too slow for any flash apps to run fluidly... Basically android on the Diamond feels more like an emulation- because that is all it is.
That said, its fun to be able to play around with android, and WinMo is not so bad for a dead OS. There are some decent ROMs and plenty of freeware still floating around. And the Diamond makes for a nice phone on terms of small size, GPS, good speakerphone, WIFI and even WIFI sharing with the right ROM.

tk76 said:
I can say that the diamond is a far better phone than the vogue. Better screen, more responsive touchscreen, better video, accelerometer, better camera... but the Vogue probably does better with Android since it can run Android from Nand instead of the storage (SD) card.
Android is fun on the Diamond, but its pretty crippled. No camera. No speakerphone for things like GPS. Poor battery life. Too slow for any flash apps to run fluidly... Basically android on the Diamond feels more like an emulation- because that is all it is.
That said, its fun to be able to play around with android, and WinMo is not so bad for a dead OS. There are some decent ROMs and plenty of freeware still floating around. And the Diamond makes for a nice phone on terms of small size, GPS, good speakerphone, WIFI and even WIFI sharing with the right ROM.
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Just to set the record straight, this project is running natively on the hardware - it's not a virtual machine, and it is certainly not being emulated in any way shape or form...
I could see how you would think that, because of all the broken/not working stuff... Well we just have to reverse engineer WinMo libs, dlls, etc and then write our own drivers basically for the different pieces of hardware.
Hence the reason new kernels come out so frequently - there's a lot of work that needs to be done on that kernel to get everything working the way it should. Devs are making some good progress lately, hopefully DIAM/RAPH will have NAND soon. I heard Neopeek was working on NAND back in August on his DIAM... haven't heard much about it since unfortunately. However, RHOD's have a partial NAND, and with the head of steam we've got going now, I'm pretty confident soon we will be up to the level of the Vogue - if not beyond it. However, the processor/RAM specs are pretty paltry compared to most native Android devices.
Sorry for the damned long post. One last question, your speakerphone doesn't work in GPS? Hrm. It should. Have you tried the newest kernels...? The autobuild service is down, but F22's been kindly building them for us...

why not just get a NEWER phone other then one that was released 2-4 years ago?

Cause after having invested SO MUCH time into running android on the phone, it's impossible to give up.. And having full control over hardware compensates for the hardware being ancient

Aaron McCarthy said:
why not just get a NEWER phone other then one that was released 2-4 years ago?
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Because moneys doesn't grow on the trees..

HELICOPTER88 said:
Because moneys doesn't grow on the trees..
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Exactly! Or I would have had a nexus 1 a long time ago... ;D

e334 said:
Exactly! Or I would have had a nexus 1 a long time ago... ;D
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and I would have had a Desire...

[Q] TP2 better than the TP or Touch/Vogue (SPRINT)?

so i've recently bought a tp2 on ebay for sprint and now wondering if its an upgrade to my touch pro (raphael) or Touch (vogue). I've been using the raphael for a while and liked it for my uses had wm 6.5 and xdandroid. battery life was terrible back than so i just couldn't use xdandroid... and than the screen went out - started looking fuzzy. switched to my old vogue and installed xdandroid. been liking it so far but it's glitchy at best. So my question is i've heard many complaints about the tp2 being sluggish. is it worth the upgrade? how is the battery life on xdandroid? last a day with some browsing and push email?

If u like android so much, u should've just bought a cheap HTC android phone. You'll notice that the performance of this phone isn't as great as many users here says it should be. Sure there will be some that will argue that u can overclock it, but for one IMO I don't really see much of a difference or being useful (since a majority of the time the phone crashes) and by doing so, u are risking your phone in being damaged.
Android on this phone is nothing more but a mirage and merely a showoff for people to show that this phone can run the os. Let me tell u it can run it, but it's not at all practical. Many features that you may require on the phone are not working and overall I just find that as much as that the phone can run android, the hardware for it is not good.
I rather use windows mobile -and that's not saying much because I hate it. Just stick to what the phone has - After modding many times I came to realize that it's just best to keep it how it was and thats by using the correct stock rom. With all the crap I've gone through, I prefer the phone to work rather than modding it, customizing it, change icons, colors, layout, blah blah blah, optional garbage that the phone can't do properly.
Sorry to burst ur bubble about this phone, but if I didn't say it then you will soon find out the harder way.

Thanks - haven't got an android phone because i didn't want to pay the extra money to move to a new plan.
I was happy with my touch pro (raphael) in windows mobile, but the limits to it mostly android apps are very useful on my Touch (vogue). I know the limits of the phone, just was wondering if beyond the astehtics better screen, was this better than the Raphael?

Old Windows Mobile Devices support/ X50V / HTC Universal etc

Would someone give me some support with old WM devices?
I need some ROM support and maybe some people who like to have these devices back alive. Like me
Actually I have a lot devices, new ones and old ones. Currently I'm trying to get the old devices back to work. I don't really care for fastest gadgets as I only use my Mipad like once a month and my iPhone 6+ only for playing music.
Is there anyone who feels the same?

Just picked up a 7.1 - I'm a fan

Pulled the trigger on this bad boy, and I must say it's elegant in its simplicity.
1) Android One, while not unique to this device, is the perfect combo. No BS vendor or manufacturer bloatware and quick security updates - done.
2) No real pictures taken yet, but in playing around with it, the camera seems much better than my Essential's snapper.
3) I am a business user, so I don't need the 845 for gaming... that said, there's nothing that feels 'slow' about the Nokia
4) It has a nice build quality feel without being as heavy as the Essential phone
5) The screen is very nice
I'll check in later with some more input. The only thing I am on the fence about is unlocking and root. It's been #1 on my agenda for so long, it's strange to think of owning a device with out. However, the ACTUAL use I have for root is so limited at this point... I'm not so sure I'll miss it. Of course, that's assuming Nokia won't eventually provide the keys to the kingdom... which they might.

In installed my favorite music player, Neutron, and it auto detected some hi res / optimal settings. Sounds awesome!