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I have two!

Apologies for starting a new thread, but haven't seen anyone else with this unique situation.... just been to pick up my new HTC Desire from the sorting office, and they've sent me not one, but two - thanks T-Mobile!!
Has this happened to anyone else? I assume I will be on two seperate contracts if I keep quiet... What should I do, given how tempting this appears to be on the surface?!

thebosh said:
Apologies for starting a new thread, but haven't seen anyone else with this unique situation.... just been to pick up my new HTC Desire from the sorting office, and they've sent me not one, but two - thanks T-Mobile!!
Has this happened to anyone else? I assume I will be on two seperate contracts if I keep quiet... What should I do, given how tempting this appears to be on the surface?!
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Heh, i think you should just keep it somewhere until T-Mobile find out their error.. i think its like a 2 month period after which you can keep it! Dont know the laws in the UK though.

At the very least, I would call them up asking how many numbers I have on my account. Did they send you another sim?
I ask because I upgraded, and was sent my phone from Carphonewarehouse, but I was sent another sim card. And it's not a replacement as the package shows it's separate number. I called to ask how many numbers I have on my account as they've sent me another sim, the lady laughed (she had a sexy voice actually, but that's for another time!) and she told me that I have one number and she has no idea what I should do with the extra sim.
So just make sure you aren't paying for two then either:
1. Return it - and go to heaven with a clear soul,
2. Keep it as a spare - not making any significant gains and being morally grey,
3. Sell it, - make significant gains, and go to hell knowing that you made some money in the recession by someone's mistake. You'll save money on heating down there!
Lol

So just make sure you aren't paying for two then either:
1. Return it - and go to heaven with a clear soul,
2. Keep it as a spare - not making any significant gains and being morally grey,
3. Sell it, - make significant gains, and go to hell knowing that you made some money in the recession by someone's mistake. You'll save money on heating down there!
Lol
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Lol ... i say return it, you didnt pay for it so it doesnt belong to you
if you sold it or kept it, you will probably not get in trouble (am not a lawyer though), because its not your mistake its theirs, .. but remember, ... what goes around comes around

irkan said:
Lol ... i say return it, you didnt pay for it so it doesnt belong to you
if you sold it or kept it, you will probably not get in trouble (am not a lawyer though), because its not your mistake its theirs, .. but remember, ... what goes around comes around
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Yeah, I didn't mention karma. But I'm a business man.
What goes around, comes around. With interest.

Lol if you sell if or keep it, yes you are breaking the law if they can prove that you realized that this was in fact a mistake.
I would just let them know they made the mistake, but that they sort it out rather than you having to post it etc.

For my sins and to help me pay for nice new mobiles, I am a lawyer and OnlinePredator is right - you cannot profit from someone else's mistake where it was obvious to you that it was a mistake. In the same way if your bank accidentally credits your account with £2million, you can't blow it on whiskey!

dont listen to these guys they're just jealous u have two.
u just need to find out how many numbers there are on your account whether u wait for ur first bill or call them up.
hpoefully u didnt sign for both packages but just say u recieved one.

As a previous poster mentioned I would check with T-Mobile to see how many numbers are on my account. If it is just the one, I would keep the other handset and see if T-Mobile eventually relaise their mistake.

Hmmmm... think I'll go down the "clear soul" route!! Thanks guys for your helpful comments... I'll let you know what T-Mobile say!

A similar thing happened to me many years ago. Ordered hifi from catalogue, when first statement was recieved it listed 2 hifis, telephoned company and told them we only recieved the one, which we did. On our statement after that one there was no hifi listed. To this day I have not paid a penny towards the hifi which was £850.00.

This is kinda amusing. But if you want legal speak, the lawyer (humans made after all the souls had been allocated, LOL!) is right. There have been various cases, especially with banks, where people have been, erm... "allocated" items, money even company pay, that wasn't meant to go to them. As much as years later, they were made to give it back. In the same that that in various countries you have many years to take legal action after certain events.
But you have taken a higher path, the path of the spiritually enlightened. You are a pure soul. Arise and take your rightful place with the blessed Android community. Arise my brethren.

Actualy im pretty sure the ownous is on the company to correct a mistake... Large somes of money is one thing but for items there is a grace period where you must keep it boxed and ready to be given back...
After that time has gone i think its 6 months the item is legaly yours.

If they have no clue atleast open it to see if it has the pink hue issue lol then keep the one that doesn't.

i say send it back, every one will end up paying for t-mobile mistakes, companies don't lose mony they just charge there customers more.
well ring them up and ask for a returns envelope, then if they don't provide one after 14 day the product is legally yours. (im not a lawyer)

Believe me ... The nature works in balance
Day and night, right and wrong ... you got the idea.
If you dont order it, it is not yours, send it back ...
Otherwise, nature will take something from you to "balance" what you "owe" (because you dont return it). Probably not immediately, but later.

thebosh said:
Hmmmm... think I'll go down the "clear soul" route!! Thanks guys for your helpful comments... I'll let you know what T-Mobile say!
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good choice!

Did you unpack them? I'd really like to know if you are seeing any difference in colour, especially if anything is more pink one either phone.

I'd be inclined to open them both and then send the worse one back!
You should check for screen quality - Pinkness and faulty pixels.
Buttons - Correct travel and action.
Case condition.
Just my opinion!

No don't send it back!
It is a blessing .... people say what goes around comes around. Maybe you did something good before and you are getting rewarded lol
Nah ... honestly if you send it back you are a good person ... many people say they would but honestly would they actually?

Sprint customer service help

Hi all. I'm looking for some help with sprint as the title says. I love the E4GT but I have had like 6 replacements since November (when I bought the phone) and apparently sprint doesn't want to do anything but give me the same phone or the conquer, but obviously this isn't acceptable. So I have been on the phone with a store employee or a csr everyday for the past two weeks but no one seems to understand the trouble I have had to go through to get absolutely nowhere.
A little back ground: last year I had the Evo shift and I had various problems with the replacements but most notably one that I took to the store on the same day I got it and found out that the MB had corrosion. So Sprint, after much haggling, gave me an upgrade and I bought the E4GT. the issues with the E4GT have been updates bricking the phone, capacitive buttons activating without being pressed, overheating, and camera malfunctioning. Any advice on where to go next or what to do would be appreciated.
side note - not new here just a lurker
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Having worked in customer service. You are a complainer. Doesn't make you a bad guy its just who you are. You had the shift complained enough to get E4GT, now you want to keep complaining until you get another one. And when you go to a store and they will see your record. That's all they will see is that you are a complainer. It doesn't matter what carrier you go to. They still buy the same manufacturers phones for the most part. They aren't going to give you another free upgrade. Which is what you want. Let's just cut to the chase. It sounds like you want an Iphone. Instead of complaining to trying and get one. You sell your E4GT and buy the Iphone that you want.

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Having worked in customer service. You are a complainer. Doesn't make you a bad guy its just who you are. You had the shift complained enough to get E4GT, now you want to keep complaining until you get another one. And when you go to a store and they will see your record. That's all they will see is that you are a complainer. It doesn't matter what carrier you go to. They still buy the same manufacturers phones for the most part. They aren't going to give you another free upgrade. Which is what you want. Let's just cut to the chase. It sounds like you want an Iphone. Instead of complaining to trying and get one. You sell your E4GT and buy the Iphone that you want.
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What he said....only more nicely!

not trying to fight here but im a complainer because i have not had a phone for a month though im paying for service. and yes i have thought about an iphone because im not loyal to a manufacturer. also it becomes a problem when i can't even get an E4GT anymore because of having too many replacements within a year, while also not being given any good replacement option or anything. i would pay the etf but i dont think i should have to given my luck with their services.
someone else got any advice or input?

i would pay the etf but i dont think i should have to given my luck with their services.
someone else got any advice or input?
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I'm not arguing...just stating the obvious....the squeaky wheel get's oiled. Your not squeaking enough.
Be persistent, stand your ground, and if all else fails, email corporate.
Your posts are intelligent, which means you can craft a very concise email explaining your troubles. Explain exactly what you want and how you want it. Then if that doesn't work, write another....and then another. Complain louder and eventually your cry's will fall on sympathetic ears. Just know that there is no magic combination. I've been told that 3 replacements and you can choose a different device. Honestly, there's only one device better than our and that's the S3.
Good luck.
(note...what he said...only more nicely)

Ok well thanks for making my case.
If you haven't gotten service fora month call customer service for your credit. Seems easy enough? For having worked in customer service. I have little sympanty when you refuse to take replacement device. Ohh why because it won't work like the last one. That a very defeatest attitude. And its no wonder you aren't happy. NO phone is perfect. But I'm sure you know this. What you want is a free phone for nothing. YOU ARE LIMITING YOUR OPTIONS!!!!
1. Pay the ETF and leave. People with good credit have that option.
2. Sell the phone and buy another one. You can get a good 150-200 for it
3. Quit complaining
4. Try the conquer, maybe it will stop you from complaining. But I doubt it.
For the complaining that you have done at the sprint store, over the phone, and now coming here. You could have worked a part time temp job for a couple weeks to paid for another phone by now. What you want is a free phone go to another board if you want a way to scam them.

Call up Samsung for a sammich.
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I'm not arguing...just stating the obvious....the squeaky wheel get's oiled. Your not squeaking enough.
Be persistent, stand your ground, and if all else fails, email corporate.
Your posts are intelligent, which means you can craft a very concise email explaining your troubles. Explain exactly what you want and how you want it. Then if that doesn't work, write another....and then another. Complain louder and eventually your cry's will fall on sympathetic ears. Just know that there is no magic combination. I've been told that 3 replacements and you can choose a different device. Honestly, there's only one device better than our and that's the S3.
Good luck.
(note...what he said...only more nicely)
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Thanks for the advice Hotspace. I'm done feeding the troll.

ludrose said:
Thanks for the advice Hotspace. I'm done feeding the troll.
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No trolling, you wanted help. I didn't tell you what you wanted to hear.
My bad didn't know I had to play down to my competition here. Its unfortunate that out of all the other options I present. Complaining is the only one you see as a viable option. That's sad

i had an issue when i bricked my phone lol jk.. but naw man, you need to figure out what it is your doing to mess up your phones..we honestly have one of the best phones from sprint besides (like said already) the sgs3. how could u go through six devices lol. either way sounds like sprint already helped you once in letting you upgrade early and they wont do it again. so you had issues with your evo shift too? sounds fishy.. gotta love it when people dont tell the story right. how about buying a phone outright? then upgrade when its time like the rest of us
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I'm all for against corporate greed and the first to advocate for consumer's rights...but 6 phones with "problems." And you also had issues with prior phones. You sure you're not causing the issues? I was somewhat with you until you acknowledged that you did think about the Iphone. So maybe there is more to your story that you're letting us to believe. I believe you received fair advice on what you should do.
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ludrose said:
Hi all. I'm looking for some help with sprint as the title says. I love the E4GT but I have had like 6 replacements since November (when I bought the phone) and apparently sprint doesn't want to do anything but give me the same phone or the conquer, but obviously this isn't acceptable. So I have been on the phone with a store employee or a csr everyday for the past two weeks but no one seems to understand the trouble I have had to go through to get absolutely nowhere.
A little back ground: last year I had the Evo shift and I had various problems with the replacements but most notably one that I took to the store on the same day I got it and found out that the MB had corrosion. So Sprint, after much haggling, gave me an upgrade and I bought the E4GT. the issues with the E4GT have been updates bricking the phone, capacitive buttons activating without being pressed, overheating, and camera malfunctioning. Any advice on where to go next or what to do would be appreciated.
side note - not new here just a lurker
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you need to be transfer to the retention department explain your story. Try and get a record for all thr e tocket info and replacement records. Then ask to be xfered to the multipule devices departmentthey will help u out. Ask for an other device or a non referb replacement. Sprint CSRs are mostly under educated or badly trained . Its just fact they are horri fic. I am dealing with multipule people on the higer levels right now they email me and i have dorect numbers. If u need assitance PM me . I am in the middle of a huge deal right now where they are actually throttling data and they admit to the problem but claim they dont have control thet have multi sent devices too.

nickespi said:
you need to be transfer to the retention department explain your story. Try and get a record for all thr e tocket info and replacement records. Then ask to be xfered to the multipule devices departmentthey will help u out. Ask for an other device or a non referb replacement. Sprint CSRs are mostly under educated or badly trained . Its just fact they are horri fic. I am dealing with multipule people on the higer levels right now they email me and i have dorect numbers. If u need assitance PM me . I am in the middle of a huge deal right now where they are actually throttling data and they admit to the problem but claim they dont have control thet have multi sent devices too.
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lol cool story bro.. so your deep in a deal with sprint and have them admitting to throttling? whats your point exactly? retention dept is the dept that saves customers from cancelling service.. if its that hard for him to get a new phone im sure hed get the go ahead and cancel with etf or else they would have offered him a upgrade already.. and what is the multiple devices dept? a special team to deal with repeat offenders who every phone they have has issues somehow to obtain new phones?
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elliwigy said:
lol cool story bro.. so your deep in a deal with sprint and have them admitting to throttling? whats your point exactly? retention dept is the dept that saves customers from cancelling service.. if its that hard for him to get a new phone im sure hed get the go ahead and cancel with etf or else they would have offered him a upgrade already.. and what is the multiple devices dept? a special team to deal with repeat offenders who every phone they have has issues somehow to obtain new phones?
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Props on understanding what he wrote... wtf (I had to read it twice to make sense of it)

fenixjn said:
Props on understanding what he wrote... wtf (I had to read it twice to make sense of it)
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Yeah its pretty hard to type on my phone lol..sorry. But yes those are the correct steps about going to get a new phone. The retention department usally takes situations more serious and are usally more willing to direct your call properly. I guess a lot of peoe are use to prints ****ty customer service..u need to control the situation as much as u can or saddly u wont get much.
Sorry for the typos..lol my phone to is all jacked up theyre tying to send me a different phone now this is my thrid one! Always trwated perfect not a drop or sxratch 2 days old my i ad..heres to the referbs jk lol..
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And yes multi device department! Try it!

you need to be transfer to the retention department explain your story. Try and get a record for all thr e tocket info and replacement records. Then ask to be xfered to the multipule devices departmentthey will help u out. Ask for an other device or a non referb replacement. Sprint CSRs are mostly under educated or badly trained . Its just fact they are horri fic. I am dealing with multipule people on the higer levels right now they email me and i have dorect numbers. If u need assitance PM me . I am in the middle of a huge deal right now where they are actually throttling data and they admit to the problem but claim they dont have control thet have multi sent devices too.
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ludrose said:
Hi all. I'm looking for some help with sprint as the title says. I love the E4GT but I have had like 6 replacements since November (when I bought the phone) and apparently sprint doesn't want to do anything but give me the same phone or the conquer, but obviously this isn't acceptable. So I have been on the phone with a store employee or a csr everyday for the past two weeks but no one seems to understand the trouble I have had to go through to get absolutely nowhere.
A little back ground: last year I had the Evo shift and I had various problems with the replacements but most notably one that I took to the store on the same day I got it and found out that the MB had corrosion. So Sprint, after much haggling, gave me an upgrade and I bought the E4GT. the issues with the E4GT have been updates bricking the phone, capacitive buttons activating without being pressed, overheating, and camera malfunctioning. Any advice on where to go next or what to do would be appreciated.
side note - not new here just a lurker
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OK so I'm sure you'll accuse me of trolling like the other guy who gave reasonable advice... but you talk about the evo shift and its "replacements" (plural!) and how this got you a free upgrade, now you've gone through e4gt's at a rate of almost one a month since you've bought the damn thing. Newsflash dude, they boot loyal, on time paying customers of years for using too much roaming data, in the past few years they've eliminated all of the awesome legacy discounts that they used to offer via retentions (eg I used to get a 40% monthly statement credit, seriously) I've been on sprint for 12 years now, have 4 lines with them, and always pay my bill on time and they still just let me out of my contract and said take your business elsewhere after I complained about the loss of said discount (I ended up staying as sprint was still cheaper than vzw or att). Long story short you are costing them money, they don't care if you're happy and if you keep pushing them they'll end your contract. This may excite you but keep in mind sprint is consistently rated the highest in customer service, so good luck pulling this kind of crap on another carrier, I'll doubt you have much luck...
Furthermore how have you had multiple phones bricked by updates? And even if this is really the case only the ICS update could brick it unrecoverably... does not seem possible that you've had more than one e4gt brick taking the OTA to ICS, if that... capacitive button wonkyness is a known ICS bug, and not necessarily a hardware problem, you should have downgraded to GB or tried other ICS ROMs if it bothered you that much.... overheating also most likely has its source in a software problems (an app is causing it), not hardware.... also what do you mean by overheating? These things are passively cooled, if you use it a lot doing intensive things its going to get HOT.... lastly camera malfunctioning? Seriously? What does that even mean, also the camera is modular, I would imagine the sprint tech would have just replaced it as opposed to sending out a refurb if that was the actual issue.
To sum up this long rambling post the problem is not with the phone, its you... it is statistically impossible that you've somehow managed to get god knows how many "bad" evo shifts followed by 6 "bad" e4gt's... sprint isn't going to do anything for you nor do I think they should.... take the advice already offered and just buy a damn iPhone, clearly you can't differentiate between hardware and software issues, and apple will be happy to help you, they'll make a fortune off you as you'll probably be the most frequent genius bar customer ever
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OK so I'm sure you'll accuse me of trolling like the other guy who gave reasonable advice... but you talk about the evo shift and its "replacements" (plural!) and how this got you a free upgrade, now you've gone through e4gt's at a rate of almost one a month since you've bought the damn thing. Newsflash dude, they boot loyal, on time paying customers of years for using too much roaming data, in the past few years they've eliminated all of the awesome legacy discounts that they used to offer via retentions (eg I used to get a 40% monthly statement credit, seriously) I've been on sprint for 12 years now, have 4 lines with them, and always pay my bill on time and they still just let me out of my contract and said take your business elsewhere after I complained about the loss of said discount (I ended up staying as sprint was still cheaper than vzw or att). Long story short you are costing them money, they don't care if you're happy and if you keep pushing them they'll end your contract. This may excite you but keep in mind sprint is consistently rated the highest in customer service, so good luck pulling this kind of crap on another carrier, I'll doubt you have much luck...
Furthermore how have you had multiple phones bricked by updates? And even if this is really the case only the ICS update could brick it unrecoverably... does not seem possible that you've had more than one e4gt brick taking the OTA to ICS, if that... capacitive button wonkyness is a known ICS bug, and not necessarily a hardware problem, you should have downgraded to GB or tried other ICS ROMs if it bothered you that much.... overheating also most likely has its source in a software problems (an app is causing it), not hardware.... also what do you mean by overheating? These things are passively cooled, if you use it a lot doing intensive things its going to get HOT.... lastly camera malfunctioning? Seriously? What does that even mean, also the camera is modular, I would imagine the sprint tech would have just replaced it as opposed to sending out a refurb if that was the actual issue.
To sum up this long rambling post the problem is not with the phone, its you... it is statistically impossible that you've somehow managed to get god knows how many "bad" evo shifts followed by 6 "bad" e4gt's... sprint isn't going to do anything for you nor do I think they should.... take the advice already offered and just buy a damn iPhone, clearly you can't differentiate between hardware and software issues, and apple will be happy to help you, they'll make a fortune off you as you'll probably be the most frequent genius bar customer ever
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cool story bro. got no reason to lie here, if i did then i just be wasting mine and others' time.

ludrose said:
cool story bro. got no reason to lie here, if i did then i just be wasting mine and others' time.
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Maybe you just don't realize that its user error. Who wants to think of themselves as a nūb.
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What I want to know is how you were able to convince Sprint to upgrade you and give you a monthly supply of replacement phones. That is what I call negotiating!

[Q] s-off: only sunshine method?

hi. i've a "recent" m8. i've tried to s-off with firewater method but it doesn't run. the only method that work is sunshine, but, IMHO, $25 it's too much for a "simply" tool (firewater was FREE!!). there is a third method? or my only alternative is relock the phone and wait a free tool (if it ever comes out)?

sirio87s said:
hi. i've a "recent" m8. i've tried to s-off with firewater method but it doesn't run. the only method that work is sunshine, but, IMHO, $25 it's too much for a "simply" tool (firewater was FREE!!). there is a third method? or my only alternative is relock the phone and wait a free tool (if it ever comes out)?
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Nope, Sunshine is your only way. Firewater was 'free' but I donated to the Devs as they put a ton of work in to develop the exploits to give us S-OFF. $25 is cheap IMO

EddyOS said:
Nope, Sunshine is your only way. Firewater was 'free' but I donated to the Devs as they put a ton of work in to develop the exploits to give us S-OFF. $25 is cheap IMO
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i donate my little contribute to venom team (i use the viper rom) for example, but, i repeat, imho $25 is too much for a tool that rest for that specific phone (for example, if it was a app, you must install the app on all your phones/tabs!)....

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i donate my little contribute to venom team (i use the viper rom) for example, but, i repeat, imho $25 is too much for a tool that rest for that specific phone (for example, if it was a app, you must install the app on all your phones/tabs!)....
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You're entitled to your opinion, but in this instance there's no other way of gaining S-OFF so you have no choice if you want it...

If you update your M8 yes
sirio87s said:
hi. i've a "recent" m8. i've tried to s-off with firewater method but it doesn't run. the only method that work is sunshine, but, IMHO, $25 it's too much for a "simply" tool (firewater was FREE!!). there is a third method? or my only alternative is relock the phone and wait a free tool (if it ever comes out)?
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I updated via OTA my M8 so the firewater method doesn't work, I tried with sunshine method and works great :good:

I'm sorry but I have to laugh at these threads. These devs do this work for nothing. Sacrifice maybe jobs and family sleep and money to supply these methods for users. 25dollars is nothing if you bought the phone SIM free or even contract

snwman said:
I'm sorry but I have to laugh at these threads. These devs do this work for nothing. Sacrifice maybe jobs and family sleep and money to supply these methods for users. 25dollars is nothing if you bought the phone SIM free or even contract
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Absolutely agree, don't bother if you dont want to pay what is imo no different to paying for a network unlock code which is what you will also get with s-off. Do you realise how much hard work goes into things like this?
How often do you offer your services for free?!
You have a choice, no S-off or stump up and pay the developers a small amount for many many hours of hard work to completely unlock your phone.

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They offered it for free but had the option to donate. Now, clearly people didn't donate as, if they did, they wouldn't have to charge as the donations would cover the bricked device, etc. Now, if you don't wanna pay that's your choice but they're not gonna change the price so it's that or nothing
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i've understand and i've decided to relock the phone (the red text is enervating!). the sense is beautiful and the phone work great. peace!

For me was $25 well spent. Decided to do it now because who knows what's to come with updates... Made that mistake before a few years back and got stuck not being able to on a different model after update.
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its because we're so spoiled here on XDA, with all the great roms,tweaks,kernels, and more that are offered to us for free, that some folks freak out when something comes along they actually have to PAY for.
funny how people can come up with 700 dollars for a phone, but if it costs a small fraction of that to buy something that would enhance their experience, and help further the development of their device, they cant do it.

did anyone have tried it with the latest firmware 2.22

still waiting for 2.22 firmware to come to my tmobile phone..

Ok I get it...I think he's right I mean $25 is a lot and since there are tons of people that are buying a m8 and rooting it the devs should of charged $10 max..they are making more than enough off sunshine and tbh it's way more difficult to port roms over with tweaks then to create an s off tool. To be honest fire water should update s off and yes it should be free...s off is basically free for every other phone

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Ok I get it...I think he's right I mean $25 is a lot and since there are tons of people that are buying a m8 and rooting it the devs should of charged $10 max..they are making more than enough off sunshine and tbh it's way more difficult to port roms over with tweaks then to create an s off tool. To be honest fire water should update s off and yes it should be free...s off is basically free for every other phone
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My 2 cents
I agree that $25 sounds like a lot, maybe they decided to charge that because it works on phones that firewater cannot s-off. who knows... but the real question is, what decides the price of their efforts? Is that the client or the developer? what clause makes you decide that $25 is too much or not? I paid the $25 without hesitation of is too much or not. My motivation was: do I want the stupid red banner go away or not? For me it was a go with the flow and pay.
Comparing $25 to an app that normally rounds no more than $5, yes it is too much but thinking what did they do better and how many hours did they pass thinking, coding, testing, screwing up phones just to make this sw work where firewater didn't? that;s a different story.
Everyone can make their own decisions and I respect them, just don't judge too quickly whether something is too expensive or not as nobody but the developers know what took place to make something work. :good:

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how many hours did they pass thinking, coding, testing, screwing up phones
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I can't blame the devs for wanting to be compensated for their time and effort. Now of course, the issue is that many devs give that time and effort for no fee at all. So to go from "free" all the way up to $25, the sticker shock is understandable. I tend to agree that a $5 or $10 price would have gone over a lot better. Although I don't disagree with your points at all.

and, I believe they bought a couple of phones to work on, so at 650 each, plus tax and delivery, and suddenly its 1400.00 or more..plus the time to work on it..
makes complaining about 25 bucks seem pretty lame, doesn't it?

Sunshine is the only method that works for all variants of the m8 (apparently). Firewater was developed by the same devs that made sunshine.
IMHO $25 is nothing to achieve S-OFF. Think of it like this (This is probably underestimating this by a butt load but.....)
2 devs have spent (for example) 100 hours each on this. That's 200 man hours. If you charge their time out at $15 per hour that is a sum of $3000 just in their time applied. (personally $15 is very low for the skillset I think but it keeps them in crisps and coffee)
In building this they have killed 4 devices and got it working on the 5th. Thats 5 devices at $650 each (not including tax and shipping I believe)
5 x 650 = $3250
Add this to the $3000 in man hours which comes to $6250. $6250 to develop this!!!!!
If you divide that by the $25 they charge then 250 people have to pay for it just to break even. And like I've said, I'm pretty sure I've underestimated this by loads. Would any of you seriously spend that time and money to develop something like this then dish it out for free? Doubt it.
There's seems to be too many 'I wants' on here now. People who want to mod their phone but don't have the time or patience to let the devs do what they do. It's nothing short of brilliant some of the works that go on on here. I've been here since the HTC magic when rooting the thing took about 3 days. You had to downgrade H-boots, make gold cards etc etc and now there are hundreds of tools FOR FREE that do all this for us but there are still a minority who want more. There will come a time when the devs stop. They will give up because all the joy they got from hacking, sharing exploits and building roms will be sucked out of it by the 'I wants'. No body wants that to happen because of the amazing work they create.
I get that people have their own opinions and that is fine, and I get that $25 is a lot of money to some people, but personally, if you don't like the fact they are charging $25, don't pay it. Its simple. Don't come on here and moan about it!!
Just my two cents like.....

I paid the $25 and it's worth it, worked perfect and now S off. I'm a pensioner and you all complain about $25

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2 devs have spent (for example) 100 hours each on this. That's 200 man hours. If you charge their time out at $15 per hour that is a sum of $3000 just in their time applied. (personally $15 is very low for the skillset I think but it keeps them in crisps and coffee)
In building this they have killed 4 devices and got it working on the 5th. Thats 5 devices at $650 each (not including tax and shipping I believe)
5 x 650 = $3250
Add this to the $3000 in man hours which comes to $6250. $6250 to develop this!!!!!
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There are plenty of developers that put forth the same effort, and don't "charge" a penny. Time per hour is one way to think of it (and time is certainly a valuable commodity), but also remember that many devs put in the time because they love to do it and don't expect or want to be paid.
Bricking multiple devices in the process makes the cost a little more understandable. But again, other "amateur" devs have bricked devices in their efforts as well. And when I use the term "amateur" I don't mean it as someone with less skill (as the term is sometimes used to imply), but someone who engages in an activity purely for their love/passion of it, not for money.
Not arguing or complaining. Personally, $25 is not a unreasonable price to pay. But I can understand folks that don't like it, or choose not to pay it. IMO both sides of the discussion have valid points, and its just a matter of opinion and point of view.

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There are plenty of developers that put forth the same effort, and don't "charge" a penny. Time per hour is one way to think of it (and time is certainly a valuable commodity), but also remember that many devs put in the time because they love to do it and don't expect or want to be paid.
Bricking multiple devices in the process makes the cost a little more understandable. But again, other "amateur" devs have bricked devices in their efforts as well. And when I use the term "amateur" I don't mean it as someone with less skill (as the term is sometimes used to imply), but someone who engages in an activity purely for their love/passion of it, not for money.
Not arguing or complaining. Personally, $25 is not a unreasonable price to pay. But I can understand folks that don't like it, or choose not to pay it. IMO both sides of the discussion have valid points, and its just a matter of opinion and point of view.
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Absolutely mate. Putting a 'time per hour' spin on it probably is a bit off course but it was to illustrate a point more than anything . Your right, most do it for love and its brilliant they do, it just grates me a bit when the minority complain about stuff their getting for nothing (apart from this obviously). And having just done it today, it is without doubt the most pain free S-OFF procedure I've ever done. Well worth the money.

[Q] Sunshine S-OFF Question

So I rooted my HTC One (M8) using the all in one toolkit, which just roots the stock phone using the HTCDev bootloader unlocker thing (signing in to HTCDev, getting your phones code, all that good stuff). I tried firewater, and I couldn't obtain S-OFF using that. So, I downloaded Sunshine onto my phone and it got to the screen where it tells me to pay (by the way, I feel $25 is ridiculous considering all of this for older devices was free), does this mean that it's compatible with my root? I see a lot of people do this with Insert Coin installed and stuff, but I don't want to flash something and have to re-download all of my apps and everything again. So, my question is, can you use Sunshine with a stock-rooted M8 with the bootloader unlocked via HTCDev?

Yes you need a near as possible stock Rom with root to do that...it will work 100% fine..

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Yes you need a near as possible stock Rom with root to do that...it will work 100% fine..
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"near stock"? That's what I'm confused on. I have stock ROM, just rooted.
Software Info:
Android Version - 4.4.2
HTC Sense Version - 6.0
Software Number - 1.58.502.1
HTC SDK API Level - 6.17
Kernel Version:
3.4.0-gaabcaed
[email protected] #1
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M8_UL_CA PVT SHIP S-ON
HBOOT-3.16.0.0000
Can I use Sunshine with this?

Stock is perfect then, about as near to stock as it can be ?

If it prompts you for payment, that means it's compatible with your phone & ROM. I asked this in their irc.

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So, I downloaded Sunshine onto my phone and it got to the screen where it tells me to pay (by the way, I feel $25 is ridiculous considering all of this for older devices was free), does this mean that it's compatible with my root? I see a lot of people do this with Insert Coin installed and stuff, but I don't want to flash something and have to re-download all of my apps and everything again. So, my question is, can you use Sunshine with a stock-rooted M8 with the bootloader unlocked via HTCDev?
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Funny how you feel its ridiculous to have to "pay" for something the dev worked on for hours and hours, on his own time, but you think its just fine and dandy to ask for support here for your question, for "free"..
Its people like you that make the dev's not want to share things they come up with for THEMSELVES with the rest of us..
And learn how to search, since the answer to your question has been posted many times, and you only want "free" service...

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Funny how you feel its ridiculous to have to "pay" for something the dev worked on for hours and hours, on his own time, but you think its just fine and dandy to ask for support here for your question, for "free"..
Its people like you that make the dev's not want to share things they come up with for THEMSELVES with the rest of us..
And learn how to search, since the answer to your question has been posted many times, and you only want "free" service...
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This is my 4th Android phone, and its also the fourth phone I've ever rooted. But its the first I've ever had to pay something for. There's all kinds of developers and people who make stuff for this, from unlocking bootloader to rooting. Hell, HTC themselves don't make you pay to do what's necessary to do ANY of this. This is the first developer I've seem to make you pay for one of the many little things rooting your phone requires. They're making you pay a hefty amount for one thing. Even ten dollars would've made more sense. Maybe I'm being cheap and ignorant, but like I stated first, after many years of many developers and phones able to be rooted (I'll even throw in how every jailbreak program for apple products), this is the first one I've seen to make you pay. And $25 at that.

Get used to it; is a different world now a days..
Considering all of your 8 posts have been nothing but you asking for free help for your problems, I wouldn't complain about paying for ANYTHING here on XDA until you become a contributor and not just a "taker"..

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This is my 4th Android phone, and its also the fourth phone I've ever rooted. But its the first I've ever had to pay something for. There's all kinds of developers and people who make stuff for this, from unlocking bootloader to rooting. Hell, HTC themselves don't make you pay to do what's necessary to do ANY of this. This is the first developer I've seem to make you pay for one of the many little things rooting your phone requires. They're making you pay a hefty amount for one thing. Even ten dollars would've made more sense. Maybe I'm being cheap and ignorant, but like I stated first, after many years of many developers and phones able to be rooted (I'll even throw in how every jailbreak program for apple products), this is the first one I've seen to make you pay. And $25 at that.
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I semi agree with this post except. I don't expect developers to just give out there hard work. Yes that has been the trend for the past few years but I also see where the developer is coming from. Do I think $25 is a bit much? Yes but him/her asking for a little return for something the average Joe can't do and the benefits from it outweigh the cost.
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The 25$ are not that much if you think about what he/they had to do...they used phones and tools where they had to pay too...so instead of giving it out for free and even losing that much money they are taking a bit from the community so they can improve the tool more and more to get s-off...soon even m7 will be possible to s-off...I think this week or so...they are really working hard on it as it is going to be harder to unlock the phone so that we can unbrand etc...so I think the 25$ are really worth it...

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The 25$ are not that much if you think about what he/they had to do...they used phones and tools where they had to pay too...so instead of giving it out for free and even losing that much money they are taking a bit from the community so they can improve the tool more and more to get s-off...soon even m7 will be possible to s-off...I think this week or so...they are really working hard on it as it is going to be harder to unlock the phone so that we can unbrand etc...so I think the 25$ are really worth it...
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Yeah I agree. Just read an article on it. Just shelled out the $25 and now I'm s-off. Finally lol
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$25 or $600 developer edition? $25 = more than fair!

Not many people are prepared to pay for $25 for s-off. The developer would get more money if he was selling it for about $10 as more people would be prepared to buy it.

In the end it's really a matter of choice and decisions. The developer decided to sell for $XX
You have a choice. Either pay the $XX or stay as is. If you really need s-off then you must also be willing to pay for it.
Simple as that.

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Not many people are prepared to pay for $25 for s-off. The developer would get more money if he was selling it for about $10 as more people would be prepared to buy it.
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The idea that vendors can always "make it up on volume" is a fallacy.
Good vendors experiment with price to try and see where income is maximised. I've done that with my Android apps.
Semi-regularly I hear from people who say "make it up on volume". I'm the one who's done the testing and analysed the results. I'm the one who is "living the reality", day in and day out. They just have a vague idea about price, based on their own speculation, and perhaps their own self interest in seeing a lower price.

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The idea that vendors can always "make it up on volume" is a fallacy.
Good vendors experiment with price to try and see where income is maximised. I've done that with my Android apps.
Semi-regularly I hear from people who say "make it up on volume". I'm the one who's done the testing and analysed the results. I'm the one who is "living the reality", day in and day out. They just have a vague idea about price, based on their own speculation, and perhaps their own self interest in seeing a lower price.
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I understand where you coming from. Every successful product needs to reach the break even point. After that you can experiment with the price. Such as do a discount on a certain week or a day.

So I have a silly question, First I have only ever rooted 1 phone prior to this, S3, Now I have my htc one m8, Used weaksauce, worked for me to enable power saving mode, now my phone is no longer rooted, So the question is will sunshine, root, my phone and turn the S-OFF? Thanks

I agree that $25 is steep. I'd consider $5 to $10 but even then I'm like "I don't know" because I have tried a lot of this type of crap and bricked devices. I bricked 3 M7 phones in the past trying to do this... I was unsuccessful so it's money out of my pocket and have nothing to offer but I recently got laid off and have an HTC One (M7) from T-Mobile with a bad esn I'm trying to sell but need to port it to AT&T first because I can't get any useful amount without this. Firewater doesn't work and I can't afford $25. This sucks for me and since I'm desperately trying to get this done (gotta pay rent) I'm trying to work on my own exploit but am scared I'm going to brick this device too. I understand trying to be rewarded for This amazing creation but it sucks for those of us that can't pay that $25...

OfficialLocdoGg said:
I agree that $25 is steep. I'd consider $5 to $10 but even then I'm like "I don't know" because I have tried a lot of this type of crap and bricked devices. I bricked 3 M7 phones in the past trying to do this... I was unsuccessful so it's money out of my pocket and have nothing to offer but I recently got laid off and have an HTC One (M7) from T-Mobile with a bad esn I'm trying to sell but need to port it to AT&T first because I can't get any useful amount without this. Firewater doesn't work and I can't afford $25. This sucks for me and since I'm desperately trying to get this done (gotta pay rent) I'm trying to work on my own exploit but am scared I'm going to brick this device too. I understand trying to be rewarded for This amazing creation but it sucks for those of us that can't pay that $25...
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Then don't s-off and/or wait until you have the $$$ to pay for it. Nobody is forcing you to, there is no requirement, so we don't OWE the developer anything unless we decide to use their product which they have spent time working on. Judging by your previous history I would just leave as is and not tinker anymore, as this type of modification for any device comes with the risk of bricking your device if you're not careful/dont know what you're doing.
I'm no genius but food, rent, etc all come before modifying my phone for pleasure/convenience.
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So I have a silly question, First I have only ever rooted 1 phone prior to this, S3, Now I have my htc one m8, Used weaksauce, worked for me to enable power saving mode, now my phone is no longer rooted, So the question is will sunshine, root, my phone and turn the S-OFF? Thanks
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You can download the apk from the site in the first post and run the app. As the dev says if you get to the screen asking or payment details then it will work fo you.

Well thanks captain obvious but as my post says... It isn't for enjoyment or pleasure. I need to sell the phone with a bad esn so I'm trying to flash it to AT&T so I get a reasonable amount. I need s-Off for that. I agree that I probably shouldn't tinker with my device anymore but the thought of not keeping a place for my daughters to live kills me. I'm not asking the developers to change anything. I just thought I'd chime in with my thoughts on it. I did post a comment on another thread in frustration yesterday that was uncalled for but I'm just trying to get by until I can get a new job.

[q] q? How i can get s-off on htc one m7(verizon)

Hey guys, first. Thank you for visiting the post and bring a little valuable knowledge.
I have a HTC ONE M7 VERIZON - currently ROOT with WeakSauce2
There is a way to get free S-OFF - other than SUNSHINE ...
android version 4.4.3 - attached screenshot so you can see the version of software.
Not possible in the current version, there is a way back to the factory system?
Thank You.​

Only way to downgrade is to have s-off. For version 5.28.605.2 the only way to get unlocked and s-off is Sunshine, or pay for someone with a java card to s-off.
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s off
Oh my god
I want s-off freeeeeee

29y6145 said:
Oh my god
I want s-off freeeeeee
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And I want a free car, neither one is gonna happen. [emoji5]

It is a bit ridiculous that they're taking advantage of the situation though. Verizon shouldn't be allowed to lock phones down so thoroughly that a phone model that specifically is supposed to be supported by the company's own official "developer program" is actually locked out as it is. These people are taking advantage of the fact that Verizon has done this to make quite a lot of cash. And if you have to get a different phone or something, you can't just "uninstall Sunshine" or something and reuse it. Nope. You get to buy it again. They don't even license it to one person, it's only licensed to one specific device. Simply put, they're taking advantage of everyone and getting away with it to make quite a lot of money on the process and everyone seems to be ok with that.
Now don't get me wrong here. I am not saying they shouldn't be allowed to make money. I'm sure they did a decent amount of work to find and utilize the new exploit(s) they are using and not sharing. To some extent, yeah, they should get money. Though I'm not convinced that donations alone wouldn't have been quite sufficient to more than cover their time and efforts with some small profit along the way (there are a lot of M7 users stuck with Verizon after all plus there can be advantages to Sunshine even when not on Verizon) I'll allow that they've a right to ask for money for this is general. My problem is the fact that they do that one device only for $25. That's a lot of money to run an exploit on a device one time and never again. A one user license for $25 would be a lot more fair and reasonable at least, but really I can't see why it shouldn't be more on the order of $5 or so anyway. Heck, let's say $10. But $25? They have us backed in a corner and they know it.

Nazo said:
It is a bit ridiculous that they're taking advantage of the situation though. Verizon shouldn't be allowed to lock phones down so thoroughly that a phone model that specifically is supposed to be supported by the company's own official "developer program" is actually locked out as it is. These people are taking advantage of the fact that Verizon has done this to make quite a lot of cash. And if you have to get a different phone or something, you can't just "uninstall Sunshine" or something and reuse it. Nope. You get to buy it again. They don't even license it to one person, it's only licensed to one specific device. Simply put, they're taking advantage of everyone and getting away with it to make quite a lot of money on the process and everyone seems to be ok with that.
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But wait - - someone did a sh--load of work at the risk of nice phones to create an optional work-around to allow tinkerers to play with their phones.
Why shouldn't the guys who figured out what we can't figure out be paid ??????????

I tried to get you preemptively on that. Read my edit. Sorry, it took a bit before I realized someone was going to think I was saying they shouldn't get paid at all. Simply put, I'm not against them profiting at all. I'm against the way they're taking advantage of people. I do stick to my statement that donations alone would have been sufficient though. There are a lot of people who would have been really grateful for the exploits if posted and would have donated if they asked nicely (and maybe even if they didn't ask...)

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I tried to get you preemptively on that. Read my edit. Sorry, it took a bit before I realized someone was going to think I was saying they shouldn't get paid at all. Simply put, I'm not against them profiting at all. I'm against the way they're taking advantage of people. I do stick to my statement that donations alone would have been sufficient though. There are a lot of people who would have been really grateful for the exploits if posted and would have donated if they asked nicely (and maybe even if they didn't ask...)
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"These people" don't give a crap about what you or what Verizon does.
There is no HTC or dev program that allows you to s-off your device.
Nobody is taking advantage of you, they are offering you a service.
Either accept their service and pay what they ask for it, or don't.
But please stop this self entitled attitude that gets us nowhere and causes the few exploits and devs that make them to disappear completely.
Don't like it? Buy yourself a Java card for a few hundred bucks, or an iPhone.
If folks like these guys didn't go through burning up devices for our benefit, you would have zero options.
If they depend on the general public to be generous with donations, when giving it away for free, they would be sadly disappointed, trust me on this one...it happens a lot less then you might imagine.
People nowadays are far too content to take whatever they can and if nobody makes them give back, they won't think twice about it.
So, I really suggest ending this now, as this won't end well for you and certainly won't change anything for the better.
Only effect it could possibly have is to jeopardize your xda membership, reputation, and potentially drive away the people who worked so hard on your only real available option for s-off.

See, this is what I don't get. People will defend this sort of thing fighting tooth and nail for them even to the point of flaming and insulting others. It's silly. Ultimately things like this being locked behind a pay wall hurts the community as a whole.
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"These people" don't give a crap about what you or what Verizon does.
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Uhm... What?
There is no HTC or dev program that allows you to s-off your device.
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I'm guessing you misunderstood what I was saying? I'm specifically referring to the official HTC developer program by which one can enter and get an unlock token to officially unlock their HTC devices: http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader/
Verizon is the only one that chooses to disallow its users from doing this and I'm only saying that this creates the situation being discussed. If, for example, there were no service in which one could not unlock their device via the official program and the only point of Sunshine was to avoid going through all that and to make it possible to effectively warranty voiding checks, then that alone might be a valid reason for it to cost. (And I personally am ok with going through the official HTC program and losing warranty officially. That was never the issue for me.)
Nobody is taking advantage of you, they are offering you a service.
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I think you didn't really understand what I was saying. Basically Verizon has created a situation where people have no choice but to use exploits when they shouldn't have to. This, in itself, is already a not OK situation, but there's not much we can do about it short of using a different service (and some of us need various things like a particular plan/area/whatever.) The people behind Sunshine found a new exploit that works on the latest stuff (and claim it's hardware and unpatchable.) Great. But, they don't release it to the public. They keep it locked away behind a pay wall (and I'm sure the exact workings of it are encrypted and etc so people can't just reverse engineer the software easily or something.) Not just a pay wall though. They charge quite a lot for a single device. Then they don't let a user use what they paid for again ever. Nope. You get to unlock one device and that's it. Hence "taking advantage." They know we're backed up against the wall.
Either except their service and pay what they ask for it, or don't.
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Exactly. They know you have no choice. Your argument for them is actually against them.
But please stop this self entitled attitude that gets us nowhere and causes the few exploits and devs that make them to disappear completely.
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Who said self-entitled? I didn't say they owe it to me or something. I said this is ultimately bad for the community and the community shouldn't be happy with it and that they shouldn't charge so much for it or limit it so much. This is more a business discussion if anything. They don't owe it to me or anything, but they are still taking advantage of the situation. Essentially, it's extortion.

Nazo said:
Uhm... What?
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Nazo said:
These people are taking advantage of the fact that Verizon has done this to make quite a lot of cash.
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They don't owe it to me or anything
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Oh good, then you do understand.... :good:
Good luck to you.

Before this exploit, there was firewater, moonshine, rumrunner for certain aged HTC devices, two worked on this phone. These were made by the same team that did Sunshine. They never got the income back via donations to pay for the countless bricked phones getting the exploit to work (yes, this type of exploit permanently damaged their test phones at $700 a pop.) This is why they had to resort to charging since the donations didn't make the lost money back.
Before the exploits worked on our phones, we HAD to pool money together and have a trusted member keep the java card, and pay him shipping and a fragment of the cost of the card. He made no money off this service either.
Do not sully and degrade and berate the payment wall. You bought a Verizon phone. A carrier who HATES their "customers" rooting their phones. Call Verizon support and say your phone is rooted and see their response. If you wanted an HTC phone that does work with htcdev, buy a different variant, or get the last Verizon model that did work, the Rezound.
Sunshine was made with the idea to s-off already rooted phones, unlocking Verizon variants is a side effect they don't put on the priority list. If it happens, it happens.
Edit: quick math for you. Let's say they had 20 failed attempts... For ONE device, if all 20 bricked the phone, that is $14000 $25 is reasonable given how many devices it works for and how much was spent to get it to work.
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Well I never heard any dev that locked their phones on failed attempts to find exploits. Doesn't that one dev that does the exploits work for HTC or Verizon and his job is to find these exploits? I guess I see nothing wrong with charging to get your phone unlocked and rooted. Maybe the price be a little less but I doubt he made a lot of money unlocking peoples phones. If you don't want to pay for having your phone unlocked then look at getting s nexus 6 off T-Mobile. Everything works on Verizon's network and you never have to worry about having a locked boot loader.

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Well I never heard any dev that locked their phones on failed attempts to find exploits. Doesn't that one dev that does the exploits work for HTC or Verizon and his job is to find these exploits? I guess I see nothing wrong with charging to get your phone unlocked and rooted. Maybe the price be a little less but I doubt he made a lot of money unlocking peoples phones. If you don't want to pay for having your phone unlocked then look at getting s nexus 6 off T-Mobile. Everything works on Verizon's network and you never have to worry about having a locked boot loader.
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No, beaups nor jacase work for Verizon. They frequent the blackhat convention. Most exploits they do they either sell to the bug bounty or give to the community depending on certain factors. They are not on either company's payroll.
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I could swear jcase worked for HTC from one of his older posts form years ago. Oh well guess I was wrong. Just glad I rooted my phone when I first got it before everyone had to start paying!

Dark Jedi said:
I could swear jcase worked for HTC from one of his older posts form years ago. Oh well guess I was wrong. Just glad I rooted my phone when I first got it before everyone had to start paying!
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Nope lol