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Hello everybody!
I am relatively new One X owner and my previous handset was the famous HD2, so I used to be quite familiar with all the tweaks and mods. But now I have apparently stepped into a whole new world with a lot more complicated rules. There's talk about cid-numbers, nandroid backup, s-on/s-off, how you can't downgrade, etc. I tried to use the search, but I would like comprehensive answers to all my questions.
First thing first, what's a cid-number? I've read it has something to do with regions and operators, but how does this affect the device? Is this some kind hardware change or just software related? Is there even "international" versions available? Since I am ex HD2 user, the only difference between that device was the T-Mobile and international variat. Now it seems, there's a lot more different handsets available.
How does the cid-number affect the phone? Does these custom roms require specific cid-numbers? Can they be changed at all? What I've learned, my device cid-number is HTC__Y13. Does this mean something? And does it mean I can install for example the ARHD's newest Jelly Bean?
Talking about Jelly Bean, there has been talked about not being able to revert back to ICS? Why? Is actual physical changes made with the device, so it can't be downgraded? I never read people having such problems with the HD2. You could always revert back to older custom, or stock rom, if you wished to do so.
Then there's s-on and s-off. What does this mean exactly and how does it affect my device? I've already unlocked my bootloader, installed the custom boot and custom rom? Am I still somehow locked? I didn't even realize this has something meaningfull purpose.
I've probably already made my first mistake by not creating a nandroid backup. To clarify, I recently changed my stock rom to ARHD 9.7.0 and followed all the noobie instructions, but didn't realize that nandroid backup was somehow essential. Does this mean that I'm screwed somehow or is there a way to fully revert back to stock? Back in the HD2 era, you could have just downloaded the official stock rom and get your device back to stock. So what I'm asking, can I completely revert back to stock if I want for example send the device for repair?
And finally about the official updates. I've read a lot about not being able to update your rom, without reverting back to stock. Is this true and why would people want to do that? Doesn't the new custom roms include all the new improvements and upgrades? Why would people want to install custom rom, then revert back to stock to get the latest updates and then go back to custom? Maybe I've missed something?
Maybe these questions have been aswered a thousand times, in which case I would greatly appreciate, if somebody could point me to the right direction. If not, I would also appreciate, if you could answer any of my questions. It's not funny being in the dark.
Esaj2 said:
Hello everybody!
I am relatively new One X owner and my previous handset was the famous HD2, so I used to be quite familiar with all the tweaks and mods. But now I have apparently stepped into a whole new world with a lot more complicated rules. There's talk about cid-numbers, nandroid backup, s-on/s-off, how you can't downgrade, etc. I tried to use the search, but I would like comprehensive answers to all my questions.
First thing first, what's a cid-number? I've read it has something to do with regions and operators, but how does this affect the device? Is this some kind hardware change or just software related? Is there even "international" versions available? Since I am ex HD2 user, the only difference between that device was the T-Mobile and international variat. Now it seems, there's a lot more different handsets available.
How does the cid-number affect the phone? Does these custom roms require specific cid-numbers? Can they be changed at all? What I've learned, my device cid-number is HTC__Y13. Does this mean something? And does it mean I can install for example the ARHD's newest Jelly Bean?
Talking about Jelly Bean, there has been talked about not being able to revert back to ICS? Why? Is actual physical changes made with the device, so it can't be downgraded? I never read people having such problems with the HD2. You could always revert back to older custom, or stock rom, if you wished to do so.
Then there's s-on and s-off. What does this mean exactly and how does it affect my device? I've already unlocked my bootloader, installed the custom boot and custom rom? Am I still somehow locked? I didn't even realize this has something meaningfull purpose.
I've probably already made my first mistake by not creating a nandroid backup. To clarify, I recently changed my stock rom to ARHD 9.7.0 and followed all the noobie instructions, but didn't realize that nandroid backup was somehow essential. Does this mean that I'm screwed somehow or is there a way to fully revert back to stock? Back in the HD2 era, you could have just downloaded the official stock rom and get your device back to stock. So what I'm asking, can I completely revert back to stock if I want for example send the device for repair?
And finally about the official updates. I've read a lot about not being able to update your rom, without reverting back to stock. Is this true and why would people want to do that? Doesn't the new custom roms include all the new improvements and upgrades? Why would people want to install custom rom, then revert back to stock to get the latest updates and then go back to custom? Maybe I've missed something?
Maybe these questions have been aswered a thousand times, in which case I would greatly appreciate, if somebody could point me to the right direction. If not, I would also appreciate, if you could answer any of my questions. It's not funny being in the dark.
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hello, so: cid is region/operator number, for europe is htc__01 for example, and you can't change it while we don't have s-off, it's just a number that says to the ruu if it's the right version of phone or not, cid 11111111 is called supercid, and permit you to install every ruu in this world for this phone, but still we can't have it until we achieved s-off.
s-on/s-off are security on/security off, and except for few test devices, everybody have s-on when they buy a phone, and developers and hackers have to find a way to modify it to s-off, which will permit us to flash different hboot version, and downgrade, and change boot animations (the first one, not the second with animation, it's already moddable).
to return back to stock rom you have to relock your bootloader with fastboot command:
Code:
fastboot oem lock
and then download ruu version for your phone from here: http://htcruu.com/?dir=Endeavor
but you should download one with newer/the same hboot version and with your cidnum
to see hboot version just enter in bootloader and look to it there, for cidnum write this on cmd:
Code:
fastboot oem getvar cid
then enter in bootloader and launch .exe you downloaded and follow instructions, in some minutes you'll have completely stock rom! (but still no warranty, because you unlocked your bootloader, and when you relock it, it'll be written RELOCKED, instead of LOCKED when it's new).
flash jelly bean with new sense it's a risk now because it will flash also new hboot, that won't permit you to install previous rom or ruu, so you'll stay on jelly bean until somebody will do rom for this hboot! so i suggest you to wait some weeks and it will be official and more stable and better.
good luck in this new world
Thanks a lot! I guess there's different opinions about the warranty, because I have read that people have been able to fix their devices (under warranty), even after unlocked bootloader, if the device was returned to factory condition prior the repair. So warranty won't be voided completely and all the hardware issues are covered.
I've used app called "Cid Getter" and it gives me this line: [CID is:]: [HTC__Y13]. Is this my cid-number? If so, what is the right stock ruu for me?
HBOOT-1.12.0000 <------ I guess this is my hboot version?
In theory can the device be hacked , so the bootloader would say LOCKED, even if you unlocked it before? Or is this totally impossible?
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Thanks a lot! I guess there's different opinions about the warranty, because I have read that people have been able to fix their devices (under warranty), even after unlocked bootloader, if the device was returned to factory condition prior the repair. So warranty won't be voided completely and all the hardware issues are covered.
I've used app called "Cid Getter" and it gives me this line: [CID is:]: [HTC__Y13]. Is this my cid-number? If so, what is the right stock ruu for me?
HBOOT-1.12.0000 <------ I guess this is my hboot version?
In theory can the device be hacked , so the bootloader would say LOCKED, even if you unlocked it before? Or is this totally impossible?
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y13 i think that it's europe, try to download normal europe no brand version, if you'll have problems try another one,
yes, 1.12.0000 is your hboot version, and it's not the newest so you can download the last ruu without problems
no it can't, but even if it would be possible, it'll be pointless because you gave a number to htc, and they know your imei adress, so even with LOCKED, they'll know... in some countries they don't make problem about, if it's a hardware fault, in others you'll have problem, i don't know just ask htc in your country if you'll need it
Yes I have the European version, since I live in Finland and it is part of Europe and the European Union. Here we don't have branded phones so I guess that doesn't cause any problems. Also the phone was not sim-locked. Could you post me a link to a correct RUU? Does the radio version matter somehow?
What comes to the warranty, I probably will have to see that if it comes to it. Hopefully there's no reason to send the device for repair.
And if I understood correctly, I shouldn't upgrade to ARHD Jelly Bean, because it's going to cause some troubles, if I want to revert back to stock?
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Yes I have the European version, since I live in Finland and it is part of Europe and the European Union. Here we don't have branded phones so I guess that doesn't cause any problems. Also the phone was not sim-locked. Could you post me a link to a correct RUU? Does the radio version matter somehow?
What comes to the warranty, I probably will have to see that if it comes to it. Hopefully there's no reason to send the device for repair.
And if I understood correctly, I shouldn't upgrade to ARHD Jelly Bean, because it's going to cause some troubles, if I want to revert back to stock?
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what radio do you have? i don't know what's the difference, but i think there is a difference between mid-europa and north europa, so maybe there is something different.
about arhd jb you'll NOT BE ABLE to revert back to ics, so no ruu, neither other rom from xda, because they are done for other hboot as i know, so if you'll install it, you'll have it until someone will do something for this hboot
The radio version is 2.1204.135.20. I'm not sure, but I don't think there being a difference between Northern-European and Middle-European devices, at least what comes to the radio version.
So I guess I should stick with the current ICS ARHD 9.7.0 build for now... Thank you for your great help! :good:
http://htcruu.com/Endeavor/RUU_ENDE...Radio_2.1204.127.19_release_271851_signed.exe
this seems to be similar radio, try with it
Hi,
Ive tried without success to get the CID of my phone with get cid app from store or using emulator and the getprop ro.cid command.
Nothing...
What can I do for get it? :S
Esaj2 said:
The radio version is 2.1204.135.20. I'm not sure, but I don't think there being a difference between Northern-European and Middle-European devices, at least what comes to the radio version.
So I guess I should stick with the current ICS ARHD 9.7.0 build for now... Thank you for your great help! :good:
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CID isn't the only way to find out the RUU for your phone. If you'd done the right thing and checked your software build before rooting to make sure there is an RUU for your phone then you'd know which RUU is for you. For example:
If you were running 1.29.401.11 then RUU_ENDEAVOR_U_ICS_40_HTC_Europe_1.29.401.11_Radio_1.1204.105.14_release_260491_signed.exe would be the one for you
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if I want to revert back to stock?
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Have a look here bro http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1859714
See you
Franky
Hi, I bought an unlocked htc one m8 but i recieved the indian version (m8q) and I'm not from india, Everything works fine and I called htc and they told me that I shouldn't have a problem since the indian verison comes with international warrenty.
The only thing I'm worried about here is compatibility with the stuff here on xda, will i be able to flash roms without probelms and will i be able to convert it to a gpe device if i wanted to.
The Cid is HTC__038, the model id is 0P6B65000 the software version i have currently is 1.56.720.6 and the product name (from the getvar all command) is m8_ul. Is the hardware incompatible with roms made for the international gsm version (with the sku 401) or can i just change the cid/mid or make it supercid to use it with any of the guides hosted here.
I havent been able to find anything so i would really appreciate any help.
I own the same device and to be true, the Indian Variant lacks support for all Sense based ROMs as they are based on different model with different CID and MID number. Custom ROMs work fine.
If you are very proficient with flashing stuff in HTC devices then you can use firewater to S-OFF on 4.4.2 . Ver. 4.4.3 has patched some vulnerabilities that do not allow firewater S-OFF to work nor the sunshine one.
I had already updated to 4.4.3 due to which now it's currently impossible for me to obtain S-OFF.
Also Indian Variants have yet not received the latest updates i.e. 4.4.4
Mayank7795 said:
I own the same device and to be true, the Indian Variant lacks support for all Sense based ROMs as they are based on different model with different CID and MID number. Custom ROMs work fine.
If you are very proficient with flashing stuff in HTC devices then you can use firewater to S-OFF on 4.4.2 . Ver. 4.4.3 has patched some vulnerabilities that do not allow firewater S-OFF to work nor the sunshine one.
I had already updated to 4.4.3 due to which now it's currently impossible for me to obtain S-OFF.
Also Indian Variants have yet not received the latest updates i.e. 4.4.4
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Thanks for the reply, but are you saying that If i can acheive s-off and change the cid and mid will that make the device compatible with the roms or will flashing them brick my device? Also, do you have any idea about compatibilty with gpe based roms?
tinclan said:
Thanks for the reply, but are you saying that If i can acheive s-off and change the cid and mid will that make the device compatible with the roms or will flashing them brick my device? Also, do you have any idea about compatibilty with gpe based roms?
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This is my first HTC device and the first expensive one that I bought so I am being really cautious about tampering my phone.
Yes, if you achieve S-OFF, then you can change your CID. Don't know about MID (I have yet to know more about it). Then flashing other Sense-based ROMs should be fairly easy.
But after you achieve S-OFF, you need to be more cautious while flashing anything as the security would have been totally put off and whichever file you flash will be flashed without any error and may result in your device getting bricked if a wrong file is flashed.
It will be really great to backup the important partitions like recovery, boot, system etc. if you are still stock (not bootloader unlocked and not rooted)
To backup important partitions, visit this thread for instructions. (Be sure to backup your stock recovery as it will be needed to receive OTA updates) - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2701376
IMPORTANT: Read the Question "How do i backup the stock HTC recovery ?" and the procedure below that in the provided thread properly to successfully backup your device's partition.
~~Other Helpful threads which needs a reading~~
♦ HTC One M8 F.A.Q's
♦ HTC ONE M8 Repository
Mayank7795 said:
This is my first HTC device and the first expensive one that I bought so I am being really cautious about tampering my phone.
Yes, if you achieve S-OFF, then you can change your CID. Don't know about MID (I have yet to know more about it). Then flashing other Sense-based ROMs should be fairly easy.
But after you achieve S-OFF, you need to be more cautious while flashing anything as the security would have been totally put off and whichever file you flash will be flashed without any error and may result in your device getting bricked if a wrong file is flashed.
It will be really great to backup the important partitions like recovery, boot, system etc. if you are still stock (not bootloader unlocked and not rooted)
To backup important partitions, visit this thread for instructions. (Be sure to backup your stock recovery as it will be needed to receive OTA updates) - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2701376
IMPORTANT: Read the Question "How do i backup the stock HTC recovery ?" and the procedure below that in the provided thread properly to successfully backup your device's partition.
~~Other Helpful threads which needs a reading~~
♦ HTC One M8 F.A.Q's
♦ HTC ONE M8 Repository
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This is my first htc phone too, actually this is my first high end android phone. I am just as paranoid about doing anything as you, i just wanted to make sure i'm not stuck forever, because i it was impossible to change the software of this phone i would've just sold it from now, purely because imo new software adds the most value to smartphone these days. I am a bit confused, but for now i decided to not install any updates until i figure out whats possible to do without screwing up myself
tinclan said:
This is my first htc phone too, actually this is my first high end android phone. I am just as paranoid about doing anything as you, i just wanted to make sure i'm not stuck forever, because i it was impossible to change the software of this phone i would've just sold it from now, purely because imo new software adds the most value to smartphone these days. I am a bit confused, but for now i decided to not install any updates until i figure out whats possible to do without screwing up myself
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That's a good decision for now..
I did the mistake of not backing up recovery partition after I updated and instantly unlocked and rooted my phone but luckily I got the stock recovery from another thread.
tinclan said:
This is my first htc phone too, actually this is my first high end android phone. I am just as paranoid about doing anything as you, i just wanted to make sure i'm not stuck forever, because i it was impossible to change the software of this phone i would've just sold it from now, purely because imo new software adds the most value to smartphone these days. I am a bit confused, but for now i decided to not install any updates until i figure out whats possible to do without screwing up myself
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Mayank7795 said:
That's a good decision for now..
I did the mistake of not backing up recovery partition after I updated and instantly unlocked and rooted my phone but luckily I got the stock recovery from another thread.
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Thanks for all the help. I have one last question if you wouldnt mind answering, are all the gpe based rooms compatible with our version of the device, and can i flash the gpe ruu without bricking the thing if i got s-off.
tinclan said:
Thanks for all the help. I have one last question if you wouldnt mind answering, are all the gpe based rooms compatible with our version of the device, and can i flash the gpe ruu without bricking the thing if i got s-off.
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Sorry but I seriously don't know because I never took an interest in converting my device to GPE.
I like the stock look.
I got the bootloader unlocked with HTC Dev and rooted, installed TWRP. I installed Revolution (?) rom but had the restarting issue I presume because of the firmware being incompatible. Searching ways to achieve S-Off leaves me a bit confused though. Could someone hold my hand through the process or direct me to where I can update my Firmware and apply the newer Roms please? Thanks.
xgonzox said:
I got the bootloader unlocked with HTC Dev and rooted, installed TWRP. I installed Revolution (?) rom but had the restarting issue I presume because of the firmware being incompatible. Searching ways to achieve S-Off leaves me a bit confused though. Could someone hold my hand through the process or direct me to where I can update my Firmware and apply the newer Roms please? Thanks.
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OMG do I agree with that post! When you ask about how to do this, they point you to a thread with 300+ post and say its in there, go read... Ive been reading for 2 freaking days and Im more confused then ever!!! CID, SUPERCID, brick without them... NO explanation from there. REALLY!?
Now some people go OUT OF THEIR way to help you, where others seem to just say search the forums. With any of the searches, there is 4000+++ hits, it would be time to upgrade before I read them all. Ive read. Im still reading. Heck, I'm about to ADB back to stock to by pass s-off because of the lack of info, or its scattered across 5 or 6 threads. Sorry for the rant, but Im tired, sleepy, and cant find the info on the threads. Ive done my time reading, came out worse then I started...
Guys, I know your first few weeks at xda can be frustrating, but there are reasons why we do it this way and why requests for hand-holding don't go over well.
First, this is, as the name says, a developers' forum where a certain amount of technical knowledge is assumed. All of us were noobs once, but we got past that by reading and asking intelligent questions, not throwing up our hands and begging to be spoon-fed. If you get less-than-helpful responses, it's often because what seems baffling to you is a question that gets asked regularly to the point that people get tired of dealing with it. S-off and firmware updating are in that realm.
Second, and more importantly, once you go s-off and start mucking with firmware, there is a very real chance of bricking your phone if you're not careful. So having a solid understanding of what you're doing is critical. The people who brick are the ones who rush the process and miss or skip important steps because they don't realize why they exist.
Now, having said that, I can give you a little guidance.
S-off for the M9 is pretty idiot proof at the moment. It's only possible through a paid app, Sunshine. You download it, install it, and it will tell you if s-off is possible for your phone. If so, you buy a license for $25 and run it. Done.
Updating firmware is trickier, but this thread is the best place to start. Read the whole thing from the beginning (especially the first few posts), and if there's anything you don't understand, asking specific questions will usually get you helpful responses.
Good luck!
Good advice from iElvis to go slowly and try not to rush before gaining necessary knowledge .
Usually for example with firmware flashing thread all relevant info is contained in the first four posts written by original poster.
Basically if you are S on you may only flash firmware that matches your currently installed software.
When you have S off (as described above by iElvis) then you may flash any firmware, by changing cid if necessary.
Firmware flashing done in download mode via command
Fastboot flash zip nameofirmware.zip
Phone will flash part of firmware then reboot to download mode,
Then you enter same command again and remainder of file is flashed.
Then you're good to flash custom roms based on the firmware you flashed.
Sent from my HTC One M9 using XDA Free mobile app
paul_59 said:
Good advice from iElvis to go slowly and try not to rush before gaining necessary knowledge .
Usually for example with firmware flashing thread all relevant info is contained in the first four posts written by original poster.
Basically if you are S on you may only flash firmware that matches your currently installed software.
When you have S off (as described above by iElvis) then you may flash any firmware, by changing cid if necessary.
Firmware flashing done in download mode via command
Fastboot flash zip nameofirmware.zip
Phone will flash part of firmware then reboot to download mode,
Then you enter same command again and remainder of file is flashed.
Then you're good to flash custom roms based on the firmware you flashed.
Sent from my HTC One M9 using XDA Free mobile app
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I am not new to xda or flashing roms , but definitely new to htc device. The problem is Alot of threads don't seem to explain "Why" .
your quote here has explained something so simple, that unfortunately was made to sound so complex in some other threads. Also many threads give slightly differing or slightly incomplete instructions. thats why I notice many people asking for a "FULL guide" and even some people offering to "donate if you can help me step-by-step update firmware" .
So , can i ask, just to clarify, after S-off, then SuperCID, we can flash any firmware update from any region? eg If i am from 1.32.710 i can flash 1.40.401 firmware? And ONLY then i can flash a custom rom that MUST be 1.40.401?
simonbigwave said:
So , can i ask, just to clarify, after S-off, then SuperCID, we can flash any firmware update from any region? eg If i am from 1.32.710 i can flash 1.40.401 firmware? And ONLY then i can flash a custom rom that MUST be 1.40.401?
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Yes, you can flash any firmware for your model. You can't for example, flash cdma firmware on a gsm phone (nor should you try).
But you don't necessarily have to match rom to firmware. It's advisable for best performance, but not always necessary. in this case, however, there is a conflict between firmware and kernel across 1.32 and 1.40—they need to be the same. That means you can run a 1.40 rom over 1.32 firmware as long as you have a 1.32 kernel running (this is my current configuration). But if you have 1.40 firmware, you pretty much have to run a 1.40 rom.
I am missing somethihng some where.. Ive tried the steps above, although no "guide" said anything about supercid. However, Ive tried to flash the firmware, and i do get a cid mismatch error. So I'm stuck and lost. I dont know what to do... Cid is being reported differently depending on how I get it, Adb reports htc_001, the app and the scrip report CWE_001, and I cant seem to find anything to flash to it. Im literally pulling out my hair.
klloyd said:
I am missing somethihng some where.. Ive tried the steps above, although no "guide" said anything about supercid. However, Ive tried to flash the firmware, and i do get a cid mismatch error. So I'm stuck and lost. I dont know what to do... Cid is being reported differently depending on how I get it, Adb reports htc_001, the app and the scrip report CWE_001, and I cant seem to find anything to flash to it. Im literally pulling out my hair.
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As far as I know, get S-off from Sunshine app. Easiest way. Then in adb set your sid to super cid..try here a full guide, after u have used sunshine app to get s-off http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317536 u need to get S-off first AFAIK....i agree its confusing.
So I just got this phone last week and I've had my fair share of stock time and so I've been looking at a few custom ROMs here and I've noticed some things that might prove to be problematic for me. Before I ask my questions I just have to clarify that my CID is HTC__j15 (if that's relevant in any way)
1. Do I need to be running the same firmware as the custom ROM I'm about to flash? I'm currently running 1.95.401.4, so my question is that if the ROM is running for example 1.96.XXX.X, do i also need to have that firmware? Will I run into problems if I flash the ROM?
2. What if I wanted to flash a nougat ROM like Resurrection Remix or Leedroid, would I need to be running the new nougat firmware (even though it's only available in the US)??
3. I see some ROMs state that they're using the EU base, and from what I understand my phone is using the Middle East base (obviously cuz i'm in the Middle East). Would flashing an EU ROM cause any problems for me? I think that it shouldn't because after all it is the same device but I'm still unsure about it.
Thanks and sorry for newbie questions. I'm coming from a nexus 5 so u can see how all this would be so confusing for me??
Mohsenz22 said:
So I just got this phone last week and I've had my fair share of stock time and so I've been looking at a few custom ROMs here and I've noticed some things that might prove to be problematic for me. Before I ask my questions I just have to clarify that my CID is HTC__j15 (if that's relevant in any way)
1. Do I need to be running the same firmware as the custom ROM I'm about to flash? I'm currently running 1.95.401.4, so my question is that if the ROM is running for example 1.96.XXX.X, do i also need to have that firmware? Will I run into problems if I flash the ROM?
2. What if I wanted to flash a nougat ROM like Resurrection Remix or Leedroid, would I need to be running the new nougat firmware (even though it's only available in the US)??
3. I see some ROMs state that they're using the EU base, and from what I understand my phone is using the Middle East base (obviously cuz i'm in the Middle East). Would flashing an EU ROM cause any problems for me? I think that it shouldn't because after all it is the same device but I'm still unsure about it.
Thanks and sorry for newbie questions. I'm coming from a nexus 5 so u can see how all this would be so confusing for me
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I can only answer from my own experience, and I've only tried the three stock Nougat-based ROMs, so I can't answer regarding Resurrection, etc.
1. No.
2. No.
3. That I couldn't answer. I have the U.S. Unlocked direct from HTC. I used the SunShine app to S-OFF and keep the bootloader locked. With S-OFF, I changed the CID to a Super CID, and the MID. I can flash any RUU. In my case I am running the U.S. Unlocked firmware except for the radio which is the latest available from Verizon.
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I can only answer from my own experience, and I've only tried the three stock Nougat-based ROMs, so I can't answer regarding Resurrection, etc.
1. No.
2. No.
3. That I couldn't answer. I have the U.S. Unlocked direct from HTC. I used the SunShine app to S-OFF and keep the bootloader locked. With S-OFF, I changed the CID to a Super CID, and the MID. I can flash any RUU. In my case I am running the U.S. Unlocked firmware except for the radio which is the latest available from Verizon.
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Thanks but hmmmm do u think the reason u haven't experienced any problems is that you've "S-OFF"ed or because u changed to a super CID?? Anyways thanks Imma unlock my bootloader and try as soon as I get home.
Mohsenz22 said:
Thanks but hmmmm do u think the reason u haven't experienced any problems is that you've "S-OFF"ed or because u changed to a super CID?? Anyways thanks Imma unlock my bootloader and try as soon as I get home.
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I don't know how to answer that. I don't think either has anything to do with my particular success on my latest ROM setup. Before this latest set of flashes at one point I had flashed the entire Verizon RUU in order to make sure I got the phone working on Verizon before I flashed a custom ROM, and flashing the Verizon RUU on my Unlocked HTC 10 required me to change my CID, and you can't change the CID without being S-OFF. Since I was changing my CID, there wasn't any reason for me to not use the SuperCID, which effectively means I shouldn't ever have to change my CID again.
And I was wrong regarding MID - in my case, I probably didn't change the MID as it should've already been what it needed to be.
I've gone through the (extremely confusing) readme thread several times but would appreciate a concrete answer on dev edition conversion.
My phone is hima_ulatt / firmware v3.38.502.12 / OPJA11000 / CWS_001.
So my question is, once i:
unlock bootloader > s-off > write cid BS_US001,
can i install ruu 4.30.617.12 or would i have to stay within 3.xx.617.xx versions?
jbonetwo said:
I've gone through the (extremely confusing) readme thread several times but would appreciate a concrete answer on dev edition conversion.
My phone is hima_ulatt / firmware v3.38.502.12 / OPJA11000 / CWS_001.
So my question is, once i:
unlock bootloader > s-off > write cid BS_US001,
can i install ruu 4.30.617.12 or would i have to stay within 3.xx.617.xx versions?
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As far as I know you can't install a 4.x Ruu on 3.x firmware.
The encryption is different.
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As far as I know you can't install a 4.x Ruu on 3.x firmware.
The encryption is different.
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Is there no way to update to the 4.xx versions then? The AT&T software update won't let me upgrade at all (says no updates found).
jbonetwo said:
Is there no way to update to the 4.xx versions then? The AT&T software update won't let me upgrade at all (says no updates found).
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Download a 4.x based rom, there are several in the rom thread including the latest development rom.
They are stock ROMs that you can flash through twrp.
This one I've used and had no issues with.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...m9-4-14-617-6-stock-root-twrp-backup-t3518149
But if you are locked to ATT (unlike me because I'm in Europe and the European M9 is a GSM version.
You might want to try this version (ATT)
https://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/development/rom-stock-nougat-4-23-617-1-unlocked-t3553470
bubba1601 said:
Download a 4.x based rom, there are several in the rom thread including the latest development rom.
They are stock ROMs that you can flash through twrp.
This one I've used and had no issues with.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...m9-4-14-617-6-stock-root-twrp-backup-t3518149
But if you are locked to ATT (unlike me because I'm in Europe and the European M9 is a GSM version.
You might want to try this version (ATT)
https://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/development/rom-stock-nougat-4-23-617-1-unlocked-t3553470
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Thank you!!
Please elaborate a bit further which part of the ReadMe thread confuses you. It's meant to be a helpful resource and if it's confusing at some point then it might need to get overhauled.
Flashing a rom won't update the firmware. Therefore, the linked roms won't help you much. (C.f. the article that is linked as "the difference between rom and firmware" in the further reading section of the ReadMe thread.)
You need to update the phone with an unencrypted firmware pack (that means an OTA or one of Sneakyghost's firmware packs). As already explained in this thread, RUUs with firmware 4.x use new encryption keys and therefore can't be used for updating from firmware 3.x. In addition, AT&T won't let you install OTAs on their branded phones if you aren't using one of their sim cards.
Either you convert to the 3.x version of the dev firmware and install the available OTAs afterwards or you need to flash a 4.x AT&T firmware pack from Sneakyghost's thread before you convert if you want to directly use the latest dev edition RUU.
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I got confused too. It's confusing because the paragraphs digress and don't just follow the basic procedures. Probably because the information is necessary but not formatted into idiot speak.. idiot speak is what i needed.
So i thought "fk it my phone is dying anyway so how bad can it get"?.
If you're changing the cid and mid via fastboot do it first and get the firmware.zip of the region you want, at the phones CURRENT firmware level.
Flash the zip version of the firmware from external sdcard. To do that you need to
S-OFF: DONT NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
S-ON: LOCK BOOTLOADER?? (CLARIFY)/CHANGE NOTHING?
rename the firmware.zip* file to whatever the filename asks for at the bottom of download mode (voldown+power), eg 0PJA***.ZIP.
copy it to the external Sdcard (not in a folder, just on its own), reboot phone to download mode, follow prompts.
THE PHONE WILL REBOOT MANY TIMES AND SHOULD TAKE AROUND 30 MINS TO 1 HOUR TO COMPLETE. DO NOT TOUCH THE PHONE. DO NOT TURN IT OFF. DO NOT UNPLUG IT FROM THE CHARGER. Leave it alone!!.
Once that completes you can take the ota.
Well, not everyone owns an SD card and there are other methods for flashing RUUs. That's why the RUU section describes all methods and the conversion guide only has a link to the RUU section. (The steps you describe are all mentioned in the guide for the SD card method.) This way users can choose which method they want to use. And describing all methods in both posts doesn't seem to make sense in my eyes, either.
The infos above the instructions of each post are actually needed for understanding why things are how they are if you've never owned an HTC device before. I can add a title "general info" for making clearer that the posts don't start with instructions, though.
The fact that you don't need to re-lock or lock the bootloader (neither for RUUs nor for OTAs) is e.g. explained in these additional infos. It's not mentioned in the instructions since that info itself is not an instruction.
Btw, a RUU reboots the phone only once and the flash shouldn't take longer than a couple of minutes. OTAs on the other hand can take up to am hour and reboot the phone several times.
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Yes you are correct as always flippy. The reflash back to stock takes minutes while ota takes an age. Forgot that bit.
You also redefined what i said.. the posts digress to cover all eventualities but it is overwhelming to eejits like myself.
If it was laid out basic THEN cover the eventualities it'd be easier to follow. The english can be a tad broken too, which confuses the fk out of native English speakers like myself.
My post is just the basic. Nothing more, nothing less. If you bork your phone with my instruction it will be a hardware or user fault.
The only thing I'm not sure of, because my phone is s-off, is whether or not the bootloader must be locked or relocked with s-on. Otherwise with s-off they dont matter.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you're feeding false info, I'm just saying that non native english speakers seem to have better results following your instructions better than native speakers, for some reason..
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Please elaborate a bit further which part of the ReadMe thread confuses you. It's meant to be a helpful resource and if it's confusing at some point then it might need to get overhauled.
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Thanks for the info @Flippy498. I'll be re-reading everything thoroughly before attempting anything as i don't want to end up with a brick.
The readme is indeed confusing. It captures the evolution of the m9 since fw 1.xx and the corresponding changes to modding procedures. While this makes for a great catalogue of all info, even a seasoned flash-o-phile would find it difficult to navigate the veritable minefield of do's and don't's.
I'd love to redo the logic of the thread myself but don't know enough about this device yet. but perhaps something that determines one's fw/mid/cid through fastboot first, followed by targeted instructions for achieving different goals based on those differences would be much more legible. (e.g. if fw v 3.xx, do this to unlock but warning about flashing 4.xx). As it stands, coming from v 3.xx, one has to read several disjointed notes peppered around the thread only some of which are relevant and this only adds to the confusion via information overload.
If you have s-off youre good to go in any circumstances. Just check the os that it is on and return it to stock of that version os OR
If you change the cid and mid just flash to stock of THAT version AND the region you change to. Like changing from 401 to 617 you flash the 617 because it matches the cid and mid you changed to. It must still match the os version the phone is on ie marshmallow 3.35.xxx.xx, making it the 3.35.617.xx firmware you'd be looking to flash to get stock marshmallow..
Then you just take the ota updates as far as you like.
I flashed 2 s-off phones back to stock in the last week in one sitting and it was easy, just as I explained.
It's just bootloader in s-on conditions that I personally don't know and that throws me a bit. I don't know if it's a requirement or not. I'd highly recommend buying s-off via sunshine in all cases but otherwise flippy would have to answer a simple yes or no to "bootloader locked for s-on flashing?" or you'd have to dredge it up on a search site. The other option is bite the bullet and flash anyway hoping it boots you out with an error.
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flippy would have to answer a simple yes or no to "bootloader locked for s-on flashing?"
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It doesn't matter whether the bootloader is locked, re-locked or unlocked.
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If you have s-off youre good to go in any circumstances. Just check the os that it is on and return it to stock of that version os OR
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Your method worked great! changed cid & mid to dev edition, flashed dev edition and then used 'software update' to catch up to latest version. couldn't be easier, thanks!
Now for that obnoxious red text...
I take no credit for anything. All I did was make the process clearer. Glad you're sorted!.