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So.... following Mikey1022's thread crusade, I'm almost hesitant to post this here, but I feel like I'm going to get the most accurate answer from the people in this forum vs general...
On Cyanogens site, I found this for Battery Recalibration:
Battery recalibration
If you're experiencing higher than normal battery drain, try the following:
1. Charge the phone to full battery; let it keep charging until the battery says it is fully charged. Do not wait until the light is green, it isn't always fully charged, causing a lot of inaccuracies. (You can check by going to: Settings -> About Phone -> Status -> Battery Level = Full.)
2. Boot to recovery mode and go to console (or adb shell) and type:
mount -a
rm /data/system/batterystats.bin
NOTE: Newer Amon_Ra recoveries have an option to delete the battery stats, do this in place of the console commands above.
NOTE: To have the most accurate of battery stats, reboot the phone immediately after wiping the battery stats and wait for CM to boot completely to the desktop. Once your entire boot is done and you have full access to the phone, go ahead and pull the charger and continue with this troubleshooter.
1. Do not charge the phone until after draining the battery completely, resulting in it automatically shutting off.
2. Recharge the phone completely and then use as you normally would.
SO I'm at work, and don't have the option to check this, but unlike "hardware" battery calibration I'm mostly curious about removing the batterystats.bin
Would it help us with our battery woes, or do ours go deeper? For some reason, I noticed that mine's been draining a LOT faster in the past month or so then before...
Any thought?
This belongs in the general area?
I really don't think there's a magic forumula for these LIPO batteries. Unless you have a bad battery, you like numerous others need to join the battery 12 step program. I've already been through it. "Hello, my name is Sean and I'm obsessed with my battery life."
Long story short, just keep charge the battery when it gets low. If you work near an outlet or computer, and sleep near one - it's quite easy to keep the battery up throughout the day.
FYI, I've read up on this a bit regarding laptop batteries. It has nothing to do with the actual battery life or the "memory effect" (these batteries don't have a memory effect). It has to do with the OS's interpretation of the battery's performance and how it is reported to the user. So you're really recalibrating Android, not the physical battery. As far as I've read, this only "needs" to be done once in a great while, once a year maybe. Or if you notice something really odd with the battery level reporting.
I did this this morning as well since my phone was fully charged and ready to try it. Not had any hugely bad side effects from the phone and new battery (1750), but we will see if this changes anything.
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FYI, I've read up on this a bit regarding laptop batteries. It has nothing to do with the actual battery life or the "memory effect" (these batteries don't have a memory effect). It has to do with the OS's interpretation of the battery's performance and how it is reported to the user. So you're really recalibrating Android, not the physical battery. As far as I've read, this only "needs" to be done once in a great while, once a year maybe. Or if you notice something really odd with the battery level reporting.
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Well, actually, that's why I put it in the development forum. These instructions are telling us to remove things from the system. Also on that note, my battery went from being at 30% full by 10pm (fully charged in the morning) to 30% full by 3pm (YES, 3) so something is definitely wrong, not just "I am obsessed with my battery life". Mind you, I'm at work until 2, so my phone drains to 30% on IDLE, with screen off. I was thinking maybe Android is misinterpreting something? I removed all programs that I thought might be causing this, turned off wifi, bt, gps, still no go. Maybe bad battery?
What I'm thinking this may help with is the fully charged issue the incredible has. I wouldn't follow the above instructions exactly however. Let me explain.
If you've ever noticed, the OS doesn't report "fully charged" correctly. Charge your battery to full (where both the green light comes on AND the "about phone" battery status says "Full". Now shut your phone off, you'll notice your light turns orange again, and will charge for about 30 minutes, sometimes more depending on how far off the battery is. If you turn on your phone after this, you'll notice you stay at 100% for quite some time. This is the case with a lot of incredibles from what I've seen... It probably has to do with the calibration notated above.
I would say do the calibration noted above, however, charge it the way I just noted (charge to full, shut the phone off, let it finish charging to full...). Then follow the rest of the steps immediately following. Might make a difference.
EDIT: this is probably even more true for the 1750mAh battery.
calibration and such has been discussed but not under its own name on page 3 i explain abit about the lithim ion battery vs nickel cadium.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695472
junjlo said:
calibration and such has been discussed but not under its own name on page 3 i explain abit about the lithim ion battery vs nickel cadium.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695472
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I was witness to that thread, and yes, you are correct, Lithium Ion batteries do not need to be conditioned, it is useless... However, we are not talking of conditioning, we are talking of proper reporting of battery life through the OS, which IS how Lithium Ion memory works. This is not saying to Cycle your battery 3 times to "condition" it to full potential. It is stating that the OS is not properly calibrated to report the proper life of the battery. If the OS cuts the charging of a Lithium Ion battery because it "thinks" it is at 100% charge, while the battery itself is at 80% (just a random example), then your battery life is going to appear to be shorter than it should. The example posted above would theoretically reset the OS so that when it says the battery is at 100%, it indeed is at 100%, preventing it from cutting a charge before it should. See my post previous post if you are confused. "Conditioning" is an entirely different animal, in which you "train" the batteries memory (in Nickel cad batteries) before utilizing your battery in normal charging operations. Lithium Ion does not have this memory, making "Conditioning" useless.
Moral to the Story here is to fully charge your phone when its off and you don't have to deal with any of these work arounds. Am I right?
buy a second battery and an external charger. I do this with every phone and I always seam to get battery life that is on the high side of what people report
Thank you for correcting that was bit early in the morning thought it was same question.
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I'm trying this and I've seen an improvement already on the stock battery. Been off charge for 8hrs and 13 mins and is still at 70% charge. Figures it holds a charge when you want to run it down!
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I'm trying this and I've seen an improvement already on the stock battery. Been off charge for 8hrs and 13 mins and is still at 70% charge. Figures it holds a charge when you want to run it down!
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What, exactly, are you trying that's giving the improvement? The OP's suggestion of booting into recovery and deleting battery stats, or the other common suggestion of turning phone off for the remainder of the charge? 70% after over 8 hours is FAR better than I'm seeing, and I'd like to see the same results.
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What, exactly, are you trying that's giving the improvement? The OP's suggestion of booting into recovery and deleting battery stats, or the other common suggestion of turning phone off for the remainder of the charge? 70% after over 8 hours is FAR better than I'm seeing, and I'd like to see the same results.
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I charged with the phone off, then went into recovery and deleted the battery stats file. Now I'm trying to discharge it completely.
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I charged with the phone off, then went into recovery and deleted the battery stats file. Now I'm trying to discharge it completely.
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I am doing the same. Will follow up with results in a few days.
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What, exactly, are you trying that's giving the improvement? The OP's suggestion of booting into recovery and deleting battery stats, or the other common suggestion of turning phone off for the remainder of the charge? 70% after over 8 hours is FAR better than I'm seeing, and I'd like to see the same results.
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That's awesome! That's great battery life. I might have to try this.
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That's awesome! That's great battery life. I might have to try this.
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Trying it myself tonight. Will post results tomorrow.
I'm trying it to. I will post results.
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Just tried this method, fully charging the phone when it's off then wiping the battery stats. Hoping it'll fix the annoying problem that the battery doesn't fully charge when the phone is on, although I'm not sure if it even can be fixed -- does anyone know?
I'll update if I remember next time I charge it.
Giving a try
Hey guys. I am also giving this a try today.
I just completely charged my battery last night with it off. This morning I unplugged the charger (while the phone was still off) and plugged back in to make sure that the battery was fully charged. The green light turned orange for a couple of minutes and back to green so I proceeded to boot to recovery and removed the battery file. I am also running a Seidio 1750mah.
I am now up and running. I will post later this afternoon to let you know how it's going.
If this fixes the weird battery bug where the Incredible doesn't charge fully, I will kiss the OP. Seriously.
Hi,
I've just purchased a couple of cheap batteries off ebay and just wondered what was the best way of using them and charging them?
I've just recently calibrated the battery on the Z the other day (and now been getting upto 22 hours on a single charge! Yay!) and wondered do I need to do the same for the batteries I just bought as they come with their own charger.
I just want to get the best out of the phone and batteries so wanted to know what's the best thing to do.
Thanks in advance,
Jason
I would run them flat (keep phone on until it dies, turn it back on, let it die, turn it on, let it die, turn it on...... until it boots no more) before charging fully/overnight.
Batteries aren't calibrated, the battery meter on the phone is calibrated (basically, so the volt meter on the phone knows what voltages correspond to "full" battery and "empty"). Li ion batteries don't need to be conditioned like the old NiCad type. Really, you don't need to do anything. Li ion batteries should be stored with about 40% charge according to the link below. They should have shipped with some charge, and hold the charge pretty well. Just check them once in a while if stored for a long time.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
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I would run them flat (keep phone on until it dies, turn it back on, let it die, turn it on, let it die, turn it on...... until it boots no more) before charging fully/overnight.
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No! Do not run the batteries until empty. Running a Li ion battery empty can possibly cause it to no longer take a charge. Try not to discharge below 20%. See the link below. The proper way to calibrate the battery meter is charge to full, drain to about 20%, repeat a couple times.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/do_and_dont_battery_table
And as I've already mentioned in my previous reply, charge/drain cycles on the battery does nothing does nothing to the battery itself. Li ion batteries don't need to be (and can't be) conditioned. Charge/drain cycles only calibrate the battery meter on the phone (possibly incorrectly, if you are just going to then store that battery). So you are just wasting your time.
Also, you shouldn't store the batteries fully charged.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Really?....
Links added to 'to do' list for later. Thank you pal. I really should research before taking peoples word as gospel.
Nice one.
What I've done is counter to what people always say about Lithium Ion batteries but I've had good success so I figured I'd share.
I have two batteries, one always lives in the phone and the other lives in an external charger (these can be had for as little as $5 on eBay).
Every morning I look at the phone and if the charge is <50% I pop the other battery off the charger and put it in my pocket. When the phones battery dies (may not be that day) I just swap the battery and when I get home I put the dead one on the external charger.
Periodically if I'm not in a hurry, I will even go so far as to power the phone on in recovery mode after the battery has died, it will run for a bit longer in recovery (sometimes as long as an hour) sucking a little bit more juice out of it.
I routinely get more than 2 days out of a battery charge.
I don't doubt that my method reduces the overall lifespan of my batteries but charge time is more important to me than battery lifetime and I end up picking up a new battery every 6 months ago and taking my oldest one out of service.
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Really?....
Links added to 'to do' list for later. Thank you pal. I really should research before taking peoples word as gospel.
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No problem. I used to think the same, about draining the battery until the phone died, then charging to full, to calibrate the battery meter. Until Jackos over in the Rhodium forum informed me otherwise. I've also read pretty occasional posts over there (and likely other phones) by various users that discharged their battery too low, and then couldn't start their phones or charge the battery. Every phone is different, and I think a user on here said the Vision has better safety measures to prevent this. But best to play it safe. There is really no benefit to intentionally draining your battery to 0% versus 20%. Your battery meter will still be plenty accurate enough.
Ah ok thanks guys a lot of useful info here.
So to sum up:
- I can charge the batteries normally on the phone without need for calibrating either phone or battery.
And one more question:
- Are there adverse affects from charging the official battery or ebay batteries on the external charger?
Loving the Desire Z at the moment, I think I'll have one spare battery on me when at work or commuting on public transport and one in the car.
Thanks again!
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- Are there adverse affects from charging the official battery or ebay batteries on the external charger?
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They both charge fine either on the external charger or in the phone but in general I've had better performance with OEM batteries than with the generics, I suspect that there is a wide range or quality among generic batteries where the OEMs are more consistent.
Right now I have one OEM and one Generic, despite the Generic having a higher MAh rating and being newer in general I get more time on a charge off the OEM battery.
You can check eBay for a good deal on OEM batteries, just be sure to read the item description carefully to make sure you are getting a real OEM battery as opposed to an "OEM-type".
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So to sum up:
- I can charge the batteries normally on the phone without need for calibrating either phone or battery.
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If you are going to be swapping batteries frequently, then I would say that there is no point in calibrating the battery meter on the phone. Its never going to be completely correct if you keep swapping the battery. If you are going to use one battery for a long time, I'd say calibrate the battery meter. There is no such thing as calibrating the battery, so obviously no on that.
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And one more question:
- Are there adverse affects from charging the official battery or ebay batteries on the external charger?
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I'm not sure on this, so maybe others have a better answer. But I'd say as long as the voltage is the same, it wouldn't matter if you used the phone or an external charger to charge the batteries.
From what I've read, Li ion batteries have safety circuitry to prevent over-charge, so you don't need to worry about the charger having that.
Edit: Changed the title to make the answer easier to find. The battery popup killer mod has nothing to do with why the battery level drops after unplugging, as you will learn when you read the linked article. Now, on to my original post...
Pretty much every ROM for the Epic now incorporates the Battery Full Popup Killer mod at this point, but are we sure there aren't any unintended side effects of it? Is the battery charge state still being recorded to the batterystats.bin file? I know when you delete it through a file manager, or reset the stats through CWM, it does regenerate, but there is a lot more info in that file than just the full and empty charge levels of the battery, so it would be regenerated for the other services that use it.
I've had issues with my battery reporting that it's full, but only showing a charge of anywhere between 94-98%. Now, if my battery were actually defective, and losing capacity faster than normal, the batterystats.bin file should be compensating for that by recording the lower full charge level and adjusting the percent reporting accordingly, but it doesn't seem to be doing that.
So, are we sure the state of the battery is being recorded, even though the popup is being blocked? What else could be causing this issue with so many people reporting that their batteries aren't charging to full?
Questions need to go in the q&a section to keep the development section for pure development. Or as a reply on someones thread/rom. Although I have seen this question raised once before on mammons thread I think. I think the answer was that the battery is not set to charge to 100, and some other technictal details I can't remember. But from a day 1 owner of epic, my phone has never charged above 96-98, it will go to 100, but the second I pull it off charger down to 96-98. Even stock, with no mods to the battery popup notification. And now being on a rom that does have that no pop up notification, so I don't have to get woken up from a vibrating phone, there is no change. I'm sure someone else can give you the more detailed explination though.
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I forgot that there was a Q&A thread in the development section, sorry to clutter things up. Thanks for the details, I'll see if I can find the Mammon thread that has the same question in it.
Hopefully this gets moved to the proper section as its a good question. Firon and I did some early work on this mod and I can tell you that we simply aimed at the graphical display and then stopped it from reporting. We didn't alter how it reports %s in anyway. I can also say that this issue is found in a stock epic right out of the box. My feelings are that the actual code for charging the battery is done this way on purpose which is lazy and over cautious imho, maybe they were worried about ruining batteries or even having one explode. Sounds like poor project management in any case.
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OK, after searching through the threads for a little while, I found a very good article dealing with this issue.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
Basically, the battery is supposed to charge to 100%, and then it stops charging to drop the battery level down to a safe level. It will then periodically charge the battery again to maintain a high (but safe) charge level, but never back to 100%. The batteries used in smartphones today aren't safe to keep at 100%, nor is it good for them (they corrode faster), so the charging system keeps them at a full, but not completely full state during the charging process. The phone will report the battery as being full while plugged in, even though it could be running fully on battery power at that moment and a few percentage points below 100%. It does this to make it easy for regular users to know when their phone is finished charging. It's only when you delve into the details that you start to see that the battery isn't actually fully charged, and start to rip your hair out when trying to figure out why it won't do it.
To sum up the entire article, it's supposed to do that. There isn't anything wrong with your battery, or your phone, it's done to prolong the life of the battery, and so the battery won't explode or catch fire by being held at 100% for too long.
The only time my battery meter reads 100% is when I pop a fresh battery in from my external charger.
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I should have also added in my last post that bump charging does actually work, but will decrease the life of your battery. The experiment that the author of the linked article concluded that bump charging until the phone actually reads 100% while unplugged increased his battery charge by around 15%. Now, if holding your battery at 100% causes premature corrosion, it only makes sense that holding it at 115% causes corrosion at a greater rate.
If you absolutely must get the most time out of your battery, and are willing to buy a new one later on, go ahead a bump charge the **** out of that battery. The author suggests (and sites battery university as a source) that the best way to go about battery charging is to do several short charges throughout the day, rather than 1 deep charge from 0 to 100%.
Also, the author suggests that you stop obsessing on what the reported charge is telling you, and just use your phone.
Still makes no sense. They could code it to say 100% when its at 95% then so we atleast have the impression that its as full as could be safely. Like I said, over cautious and lazy imho...
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Yeah, I suppose it is, but then it wouldn't be accurately reporting the battery level, which I guess is what Android's goal is. Personally, I'd prefer that if 95% is as much as I'm going to get out of a charge, than Android should just lie to me and tell me it's 100%.
mattallica76 said:
The only time my battery meter reads 100% is when I pop a fresh battery in from my external charger.
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same here, was going to say this as well.
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same here, was going to say this as well.
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I wonder if that's because the charge process brings the battery to 100% initially, then stops charging. Since the battery is in an external charger, there's nothing to draw power from it, so when it hits 100% and stops charging, it remains at 100% until there's a draw on the power.
I'm curious as to whether or not the user guide for the external charger mentions anything about not leaving your charged battery sit for a certain length of time. Based on the linked article, it's claimed that keeping the battery at 100% is damaging to it.
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I wonder if that's because the charge process brings the battery to 100% initially, then stops charging. Since the battery is in an external charger, there's nothing to draw power from it, so when it hits 100% and stops charging, it remains at 100% until there's a draw on the power.
I'm curious as to whether or not the user guide for the external charger mentions anything about not leaving your charged battery sit for a certain length of time. Based on the linked article, it's claimed that keeping the battery at 100% is damaging to it.
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that's probably true about there not being anything to draw power when it's in the ext. charger. the funny thing is, I will pop in the fresh battery, and it will boot up the phone, and I can even do a several things, and the battery will still be at 100!
I try to take the battery out of the charger as soon as possible once it hits full charge, but I'm not always able to. I don't think there were any instructions wth the charger.... the whole thing was prety minimal: I paid my 12 bucks, or whatever, and never heard from them at all, until 2 weeks later an envelope arrived from China, containing only a charger and 2 batteries, lol.
I have both the Samsung OEM battery charger that they sell in the sprint store, and the cheepo Hong Kong charger that comes with knock off batteries. They both stop charging when the chip in the battery says it's full. Neither one had any documentation. I've seen zero negative effects from leaving any of my 5 oem batteries fully charged for long periods of time. The two knockoff batteries I had both died permenantly after about a month.
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I have both the Samsung OEM battery charger that they sell in the sprint store, and the cheepo Hong Kong charger that comes with knock off batteries. They both stop charging when the chip in the battery says it's full. Neither one had any documentation. I've seen zero negative effects from leaving any of my 5 oem batteries fully charged for long periods of time. The two knockoff batteries I had both died permenantly after about a month.
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dang, i guess i've had better luck with the cheapos.... been running them daily for over 2 months, and can't tell any difference between them and the Samsung battery that came with the phone.
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dang, i guess i've had better luck with the cheapos.... been running them daily for over 2 months, and can't tell any difference between them and the Samsung battery that came with the phone.
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When they worked, they worked great. But one day I charged one up and stuck it in my pocket. When I stuck it in my phone, i got nothin. I took it home and put it back in the charger and the indicator light said it was fully charged but it was completely bone dead. Wouldn't take a charge at all. Same thing happened to the other one a couple weeks later. I have yet to have any problems with the oem batteries.
really nice article and it actually makes me feel a lot better. i thought it was attributed to certain ROMs somehow as i feel like i picked the phone up at 100 and it stayed there on some but not others. guess that was all placebo, lol. i think hte best part of the article is right at the end:
If you are someone who can top off your phone on a regular basis, do it. Plug it in when you’re at home. Plug it in when you’re at your desk. As explained by Battery University, "Several partial discharges with frequent recharges are better for lithium-ion than one deep one. Recharging a partially charged lithium-ion does not cause harm because there is no memory."[2]
peace
Thanks for the informative thread
So,
I've flashed three or four ROMs over the last week (with a few different kernels) and they're ALL having the same issue:
I use the "miagi method" to fully charge the battery, but when the phone is ON, the blue LED comes on when the phone is still reading 83%. I turn it off, plug in, and after a few minutes it's at 100%. I've wiped stats, flashed ROMs and kernels and the problem persists.
I don't know if this is having an actual effect on battery life, but it sure is annoying.
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So,
I've flashed three or four ROMs over the last week (with a few different kernels) and they're ALL having the same issue:
I use the "miagi method" to fully charge the battery, but when the phone is ON, the blue LED comes on when the phone is still reading 83%. I turn it off, plug in, and after a few minutes it's at 100%. I've wiped stats, flashed ROMs and kernels and the problem persists.
I don't know if this is having an actual effect on battery life, but it sure is annoying.
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I'm going to assume you've been to this forum?
Personally, with all the phones, re-roots, re-flashes, and Odin flashing I've done I've had no need to do any battery edits, so I am limited on experience. My question to you is this: Does it hang at 83% for a while when in use, or does it immediately begin to drop percentage as if the battery never charged beyond that point? I know that sometimes after a reboot, my phone will go from 50% to 20%, but then hang at 20% for hours since it is in actuality at 50%.
If none of that helps you at all, my suggestion is this. I found the same thing for half the cost several months ago elsewhere if you look. It came with 2 batteries, one for me and my wife. The included batteries are notably not quite as good as the original samsungs. However, carrying an extra battery gives flexibility, and the wall charger does a faster and more effective job at charging any battery.
Plus, then you'll have a battery while you're other one charges!
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I'm going to assume you've been to this forum?
Personally, with all the phones, re-roots, re-flashes, and Odin flashing I've done I've had no need to do any battery edits, so I am limited on experience. My question to you is this: Does it hang at 83% for a while when in use, or does it immediately begin to drop percentage as if the battery never charged beyond that point? I know that sometimes after a reboot, my phone will go from 50% to 20%, but then hang at 20% for hours since it is in actuality at 50%.
If none of that helps you at all, my suggestion is this. I found the same thing for half the cost several months ago elsewhere if you look. It came with 2 batteries, one for me and my wife. The included batteries are notably not quite as good as the original samsungs. However, carrying an extra battery gives flexibility, and the wall charger does a faster and more effective job at charging any battery.
Plus, then you'll have a battery while you're other one charges!
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++ on This .... I've used that calibration method (the 2nd one, off method) and it worked well for me.
hi i can solve this just follow simple steps
discharge your battery upto 17 percent
than use back camera with flash on take pictures with flash your phone will power off suddenly after 2 to 10 pictures.
just plug in charger issue is resolved your battery will be charged upto 100 percent
When I get my new toy tomorrow, I plan on using it! As per what I've read, gonna use it down to 10% or so...then give 'er a full-up charge. Kind of curious what everyone elses' plans are for their first time 'round?
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When I get my new toy tomorrow, I plan on using it! As per what I've read, gonna use it down to 10% or so...then give 'er a full-up charge. Kind of curious what everyone elses' plans are for their first time 'round?
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Most likely this, but I may play around with the spare battery and throw the battery in the charger for 8hrs
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k.babymamma said:
When I get my new toy tomorrow, I plan on using it! As per what I've read, gonna use it down to 10% or so...then give 'er a full-up charge. Kind of curious what everyone elses' plans are for their first time 'round?
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Is that the general consensus on how to break in the battery? First move to an android phone and learning all I can.
I have always charged it up when i get it first then all the way down...but we all know how it is when we get a new phone....can't put it down! So...i play a bit first..
Confirmed tomorrow delivery!
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I usually run it dead first then charge it to full. I don't think there is a wrong way to do it anymore. someone correct me if I am wrong and why.
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I usually run it dead first then charge it to full. I don't think there is a wrong way to do it anymore. someone correct me if I am wrong and why.
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I do the exact same thing as you.
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I have always charged it up when i get it first then all the way down...but we all know how it is when we get a new phone....can't put it down! So...i play a bit first..
Confirmed tomorrow delivery!
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Congrats to everyone *finally* getting their beastie! I can't wait for mine...nor can I wait to PLAY with it! I did some researching on ye ole battery issue...there are a lot of different theories...so I decided to go with the "drain it out of the box, then charge" because this fits in with my extreme need to PLAY! I read it may be a good way to go to "break in" the battery, if you're of that school of thought. Some people say they do not need "broken in". Some say they need fully charged first...yada yada yada and so on & so forth. I do think the newer batteries are different than those of yesteryear in that they don't have a memory, etc, and some of the old schoolers are still stuck with that thinking. Maybe. I dunno. I'm far from any expert. (I just wanna PLAY!!! lol)
Anyone try out that Ready2Go thing thru AT&T? Kinda neat. I did it. We'll see. I just did my contacts though. The rest is taking the fun away of customizing a new toy!
rans0m00 said:
I usually run it dead first then charge it to full. I don't think there is a wrong way to do it anymore. someone correct me if I am wrong and why.
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A Google dev came out and said on XDA a while back (the heck if I'm going to try to find the post) that battery stats have basically no effect on anything anymore. All the same, I "grew up" on cell phones by draining them to 0, then plugging them in until 30 minutes after they show a full charge, so I've just kept doing it that way.
It seems to me that companies wouldn't send out a battery without testing it... Which would involve charging/discharging it. So I don't think there's any need to treat a battery any differently when it's fresh out of the box than you would after the "break-in" methods people have posted in here.
T.J. Bender said:
...All the same, I "grew up" on cell phones by draining them to 0, then plugging them in until 30 minutes after they show a full charge, so I've just kept doing it that way.
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this is probably why I do it too.
You should not be using the same method on Lithium-Ion batteries that you do on Ni-cad... cause they ain't nicad
Just do a little research. They don't require any break-in. Not only that but it's suggested you charge often and not fully discharge if you can avoid it.
Just plug the phone in when you get it and charge it up. If you want to use it feel free, plugged in or not.
Some common tips taken from Gizmodo and Blackberry's sites:
• Do not let it run out completely all the time. Full discharge puts a lot of strain on the battery
• Do not keep a Li-ion battery fully charged all the time, either. If you don't use your battery it might suffer from capacity loss
• Keep your battery in cooler temperatures. Hot hot heat is not good for it
• If you're gonna store your battery, leave 40%-50% charge in and store it in a cool place (i.e. fridge).
1. When you get a new Blackberry, charge it fully to 100%. There is no 120% or 130%, so once it hits 100%, it is fully charged. This normally takes about 2-4 hours for a new device. There is nothing wrong with “over-charging” the battery, however there is no real need to do so. Sometimes, new Li-ion batteries will come fully charged out of the box.
2. There is no “break-in” or “conditioning” required for the Li-ion batteries. They do not need the old “fully discharge – fully charge” routine for the initial three charges as was recommended on older battery technologies.
3. If you are a brand new BlackBerry user, keep in mind that you are likely using (or playing with) your BlackBerry much more the first few days than in normal routine use. If you think you are having quick battery discharge issues, give yourself a week or so until your daily BlackBerry usage levels off to a perceived normal amount. Don't freak out after the first one or two days if your battery depletes itself halfway through the day--You're probably using the device at a higher than normal use.
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santiagodraco said:
You should not be using the same method on Lithium-Ion batteries that you do on Ni-cad... cause they ain't nicad
Just do a little research. They don't require any break-in. Not only that but it's suggested you charge often and not fully discharge if you can avoid it.
Just plug the phone in when you get it and charge it up. If you want to use it feel free, plugged in or not.
Some common tips taken from Gizmodo and Blackberry's sites:
• Do not let it run out completely all the time. Full discharge puts a lot of strain on the battery
• Do not keep a Li-ion battery fully charged all the time, either. If you don't use your battery it might suffer from capacity loss
• Keep your battery in cooler temperatures. Hot hot heat is not good for it
• If you're gonna store your battery, leave 40%-50% charge in and store it in a cool place (i.e. fridge).
1. When you get a new Blackberry, charge it fully to 100%. There is no 120% or 130%, so once it hits 100%, it is fully charged. This normally takes about 2-4 hours for a new device. There is nothing wrong with “over-charging” the battery, however there is no real need to do so. Sometimes, new Li-ion batteries will come fully charged out of the box.
2. There is no “break-in” or “conditioning” required for the Li-ion batteries. They do not need the old “fully discharge – fully charge” routine for the initial three charges as was recommended on older battery technologies.
3. If you are a brand new BlackBerry user, keep in mind that you are likely using (or playing with) your BlackBerry much more the first few days than in normal routine use. If you think you are having quick battery discharge issues, give yourself a week or so until your daily BlackBerry usage levels off to a perceived normal amount. Don't freak out after the first one or two days if your battery depletes itself halfway through the day--You're probably using the device at a higher than normal use.
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AWESOME post, thanks!
santiagodraco said:
You should not be using the same method on Lithium-Ion batteries that you do on Ni-cad... cause they ain't nicad
Just do a little research. They don't require any break-in. Not only that but it's suggested you charge often and not fully discharge if you can avoid it.
Just plug the phone in when you get it and charge it up. If you want to use it feel free, plugged in or not.
Some common tips taken from Gizmodo and Blackberry's sites:
• Do not let it run out completely all the time. Full discharge puts a lot of strain on the battery
• Do not keep a Li-ion battery fully charged all the time, either. If you don't use your battery it might suffer from capacity loss
• Keep your battery in cooler temperatures. Hot hot heat is not good for it
• If you're gonna store your battery, leave 40%-50% charge in and store it in a cool place (i.e. fridge).
1. When you get a new Blackberry, charge it fully to 100%. There is no 120% or 130%, so once it hits 100%, it is fully charged. This normally takes about 2-4 hours for a new device. There is nothing wrong with “over-charging” the battery, however there is no real need to do so. Sometimes, new Li-ion batteries will come fully charged out of the box.
2. There is no “break-in” or “conditioning” required for the Li-ion batteries. They do not need the old “fully discharge – fully charge” routine for the initial three charges as was recommended on older battery technologies.
3. If you are a brand new BlackBerry user, keep in mind that you are likely using (or playing with) your BlackBerry much more the first few days than in normal routine use. If you think you are having quick battery discharge issues, give yourself a week or so until your daily BlackBerry usage levels off to a perceived normal amount. Don't freak out after the first one or two days if your battery depletes itself halfway through the day--You're probably using the device at a higher than normal use.
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This is exactly right. Lithium Ion batteries benefit from smaller and quicker charge/discharge cycles. Actually draining a Li-ion battery to 0% and letting the phone die can decrease the total battery capacity and causes unnecessary damage to the battery. You should never do a "deep-discharge" and full recharge on a Li-ion battery.
Just pull it out of the box and use it, charge it before it hits 0%, and you'll be alright.
Heres another trick
I have done this more than a few times. Does it make a difference? I cannot say with anything more than anecdotal evidence, but I have had noticeable success and the logic makes a certain degree of sense.
Running the battery fully down often is claimed to be detrimental, and I have no reason to doubt that. Doing so once in say, 25 cycles is probably not a bad idea, although it does not do much of anything to capacity. What it does is help calibrate the battery meter. Than I add the following technique to increase the discharge time (run time) of the device:
At whatever point you finally let the battery fully discharge, do this as well:
If you have power saving feature, turn it off to get the job done. When it actually shuts down from being fully discharged, plug in and charge fully with the phone OFF. When the battery reached 100% fully charged take out the plug, wait a minute, and put it back on the charger. It will charge for 5-10 minutes more. NOW remove the plug, boot the phone, and put the plug bag in again (more charging ensues) and repeat one additional time. THIS technique seems to "Stuff" more electrons into the phone (see how scientific my explanation is? Whether I am helping, hurting or having no effect on the batteries longevity i can't say, but I CAN say is that I absolutely see longer cycles for quite some time after doing this.YMMV of course.
Whatever you consider "training" the battery, make 100% sure that the first full charge is indeed that: a FULL charge. This is one point that most documentation agrees upon. Getting the full use of the battery requires a FULL and complete first charge. Since I have no method to trickle charge, I tend to use the device while initial charging completes - I feel like that draws out the process, though why this is better. I can't say.
If only there was a definitive guide. Yes there are points in common among experts (such as running lithium ion fully charged all the time, especially warm, is terrible for them, yet almost all laptop makers let this happen by default when you run it on the charger (there is software to cycle the batteries), and some companies are including versions of this type of utility. Bottom line? batteries are cheap enough, but it's not ABOUT the money - It's about the run time. Heck - if I can't get good run time for a 3100 mA Battery, with a 2 amp charger, I better hang it up!
put the battery in, don't turn on the phone, and charge overnight. I know I know, this is the most difficult part. after that do whatever you like.
You are supposed to run the battery down every now and then(like every few months) What this does is it re calibrates the battery, separate from the android battery stat.
The batteries are tested and filled and drained then charged half way before packaged. A half of a charge is best for storage.
If your batter is dead when you open the box, exchange it. A battery sitting dead is really really bad. I have purchased a psp and some other devices that had DOA batteries and they never hold a charge for very long.
Android is the best I've seen with overcharging. Meaning there is none. The Android OS controls charging and doesn't allow the battery to fry like laptops do when plugged in all the time. I wouldn't worry about it with any Android device. Laptops should not stay plugged in for more than a few hours after full.
Running the battery down to zero (which is really 1-3%) is not "bad" what it really does is use up your charge/discharge cycle. Batteries have a certain number of charge/discharge cycles (like 300 or so) and running from full to dead to full every day will run the battery out faster; rather than charging it at half way or topping it off often.
please read post 11 and ignore anyone else who says anything to the contrary. i race radio control cars, we use lipo batteries, the system has a voltage cut off in the car for a reason. if you run them down too low, the cell will die, and will not take a charge. if you let them sit too long with a low charge, they will die. end of story. they do not need to be fully cycled like the old nicad batteries.
Dave
I say don't worry about it. The battery is replaceable and doesn't cost much. Enjoy your new toy any way you like and put battery worries out of your head.