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Unlike those of us in the US, others can buy Win Phone 7 devices. So what do you think?
I have not tested it yet as mine is arriving shortly.
I think that it does look good and that Microsoft has the right idea.
The only issues that I can see with it is the SDK limitations and the general os limitations.
i love it, it has it's limitation but it will get better.
Used an HD7 for about 30 minutes in the T-Mobile store here. Smooth like butter, and it has 16GB storage.
I'm definitely leaning towards getting one.
Finally an OS that performs like one should on this hardware. Can't even imagine what performance will be like on next-gen hardware.
Up until 28th November I was an Android Fanboy - G1 when it was launched, Desire as an Upgrade.
I now actually prefer Wp7 to Android and love the fact I went and bought a HD7. My desire is now untouched, I put it on Ebay
i just played a bit with one at a t-mobile store... (htc mozart)
very smooth handling in every condition
i dont like pinch to zoom in any browser i used before (opera, safari, whatever android has...) but i like it in wp7 very much
but then there are the known limitations and some of them i realy dislike...
if there was a way to use wp7 device as mass storage my decision would be clear pro wp7...
Had it for 3 days, love it.
Blazingly fast and super solid - yes a few things are unavailable at the moment but its only been out for a matter of days.
Genuinely excited for the future of this OS.
Thanks for the replies. Sounds great. I was hoping to move away from AT&T but, if the WP7 devices are good maybe I will stay with them.
BTW, does anyone have a standalone Zune and care to compare the functionality of the WP7? I have a Zune 80 and love the Zune Marketplace and Zune client.
Love it as well. I miss the the messaging apps available on iOS and Android and some apps are a bit slow to launch, but it is a polished OS especially for a 1.0 with a lot of attention to detail taken on it. In a way it makes Android look like a toy, Aesthetics wise, and it is much smoother natively.
agreed with the ones above, had my HTC Trophy for over 2 days now and i'm really liking it. I see the Trophy as the base model for all Windows Phones. There is no stand out feature in this phone at all, it's all minimum spec, but it works... exceptionally! Games are a little slow on loading, but that's ok, the gameplay itself is fine. This limitation is due to the use of microSD (which you'll probably see in the other HTC phones). But I don't plan on voiding my warranty, and my carrier throws an extra year on top, so i have 2 years warranty. I don't use it for music all that much as i'm more of a radio listener... and let me tell you, when i fired up the radio for the first time this morning... man was it a really nicely designed radio. Simple, only get a bar with the radio frequency on top, and you just scroll left/right, and find the frequency you want. Favourite it, and done. SO NICE!
hmm looks like im really gonna have to get this lol
all good comments.. i suppose to have my HD7 with me right now but my friend could not pick it up in singapore for me... now i have to wait till dec 1st as i cant make it to SG till then..
I LOVE IT. its that simple. There is a few very tiny glitches but i had that with android blackberry and sare i say it ios as well. I do have a couple of poiunts for a few people that moan about some missing features though.
Mass storage - why oh why would you want to use your phone for this i don't get it? the memory inside is for the phone not your pc. Get a memory stick they cost about £20 and will sit on your keyring they are faster and easier to use.
Flash - this is coming very soon adobe and Microsoft have confirmed this.
Copy paste - as above (i suspect the January update for both though flash may come as its own download)
Multitasking - just a battery drain and all the main features do this anyway, the phone is quick at swapping between apps. I don't get why you would want to multi-task beyond what it already does if anyone can give me a good example i will retract that but so far its just "cos we like it that we can" i personally prefer a battery that lasts unlike the desire.
removable storage - once again why would you want this? I have an idea don't buy a load of small cards just get one good one. You can argue that the on board amounts given at launch are poor (i to stated this) BUT, America will get the focus this can be upgraded so to can the dell. The HD7 can be also if you don't mind getting under the back cover. I suspect as with the hd7 we will find others. So there are options even for the most data intensive. Your phone is not a memory stick people.
I personally think wp7 has it right esp for a brand new os that has not even had, dare i call the January update this, service pack 1. I don't like to say i will never touch things again because the world is constantly changing but i will say for now i am so glad i sold my desire and got a hd7 it beats anything else hands down.
I just realized i was so busy fending the so called downsides i forgot to look at why wp7 is the best.
Xbox live - this is so good it makes my nuts tingle though it was a lil slow at first once it has had chance to sync everything up it is amazing. I can see all my avatar stuff in 3d i can see my mates avatars in 3d i can compare gamer scores, i can earn achievements on games i can send messages to my live friends and see what they are doing. Basically all the same stuff i can do on my xbox but on a phone. Plus they will soon have multilayer games not just turn by turn and intergration into actual xbox games.
Zune - By far and away the best music/media experience you can get. Makes iphone look old and rubbish. I have loved Zune since i got my zune hd imported last year. Zune software is easier to use then itunes. It is far better at managing your media and is so good at getting the track data. Plus unlike itunes if it cant find it automatically you can just find it yourself easy as and make sure all the tracks have the right names with a no fuss at all. Put it this way my itunes on my mac has about 80% of the right art my zune has 100% (and for about 8 months i had to use the mac as my main pc due to frying my motherboard so it is nothing to do with me not careing about getting it sorted).
Hubs/live tile - just genius i hardly use my facebook app as i don't need to my friends are asy to contact and find and my pictures are all in one place. Yeah you can collect data together on android but until you have used a wp7, and i do say if your unsure go to the store and play, its hard to explain why its so much better but it just is. updates are right there on the home screen and even the lock screen.
Speed/transactions - This is a zippy os everything is smooth and looks sexy, this isnt a big point for many people i know but, there is no better feeling then when showing someone an email or a text or anything on your phone and it flys there but at the same time looks like something from minority report.
The phone is fantastic. The system is very smooth! The zune feature wit zune pass is great. One thing though, notification sounds for txt and email are very, very quiet (HD7). I can hardly hear them
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The phone is fantastic. The system is very smooth! The zune feature wit zune pass is great. One thing though, notification sounds for txt and email are very, very quiet (HD7). I can hardly hear them
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have you updated the audio controller from htc as it may be coincidence but i thought it was quieter before i did that.
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Multitasking - just a battery drain and all the main features do this anyway, the phone is quick at swapping between apps. I don't get why you would want to multi-task beyond what it already does if anyone can give me a good example i will retract that but so far its just "cos we like it that we can" i personally prefer a battery that lasts unlike the desire.
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I disagree. There are cases where multitasking would help, one area would be instant messaging. Also, I have looked at most reviews out there and battery life is on par with similarly specced Android devices. For example, the HD7 vs. EVO/Desire HD. Even my developer WP7 devices battery lasts around the same time as my Captivate.
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There is no denying the fact that multitasking would help in many cases. I am glad that MS never said they wouldn't allow 3rd party aps to multitask. I am sure it's already in development... may be being tested as we speak
Went from HTC to Samsung Focus, so far i do love the smoothness and speed. Active tiles are a huge plus and can see where this can be beneficial in various ways. Only 'major' things needed is tethering or turning the phone into a WiFi Hotspot (and would like bluetooth rSAP support).
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I disagree. There are cases where multitasking would help, one area would be instant messaging. Also, I have looked at most reviews out there and battery life is on par with similarly specced Android devices. For example, the HD7 vs. EVO/Desire HD. Even my developer WP7 devices battery lasts around the same time as my Captivate.
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You're wrong.
With Push Messaging, you get you IMs without the app even running. Multitasking IM applications is a huge waste of battery.
Do you even have a clue what you're talking about?
Also, the HD7 has a weak battery in it. It's around 1230 mAh, IIRC. Most decent phones have 1500 mAh batteries in them. Check that before you make a comparison. Also, use patterns on the two phones may not be identical. It's almost impossible to conduct a decent test for battery life outside of a controlled environment.
I've never used a Google Nexus/Pixel before, because there are no samples in my region that I can have a run.
Is it true that the Pixel will remain buttery smooth throughout its entire lifespan (say 3 years) and is better than its competitors like Samsung in preventing rogue apps from mysteriously draining the battery over time?
I've been using Samsung all along and frankly quite tired of doing mods just to keep it fast, smooth, low-battery sucking, just like iPhone.
The only reason I've not jumped over to the Apple camp is because of the drag and drop functionality that Apple lacks.
Will the Pixel be very comparable to the iPhone in all aspects?
What will I lose (other than obvious things like the screen) by jumping from S8 to Pixel?
Lastly, when will Pixel 2 be out? Should I hold my breath for it? More interested in camera improvements.
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I've never used a Google Nexus/Pixel before, because there are no samples in my region that I can have a run.
Is it true that the Pixel will remain buttery smooth throughout its entire lifespan (say 3 years) and is better than its competitors like Samsung in preventing rogue apps from mysteriously draining the battery over time?
I've been using Samsung all along and frankly quite tired of doing mods just to keep it fast, smooth, low-battery sucking, just like iPhone.
The only reason I've not jumped over to the Apple camp is because of the drag and drop functionality that Apple lacks.
Will the Pixel be very comparable to the iPhone in all aspects?
What will I lose (other than obvious things like the screen) by jumping from S8 to Pixel?
Lastly, when will Pixel 2 be out? Should I hold my breath for it? More interested in camera improvements.
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1 - even after its EOL it will remain smooth, since we'll still have some dev working on it.
2 - mods other than visual customization are not needed on the Pixel XL. At least not to save battery.
3 - Hopefully the Pixel XL (although looking a little bit similar to the iPhone) will never be comparable with an iPhone.
4 - I don't own a S8 as I don't like Samsung devices, so i can't answer, sorry...
5 - Pixel XL 2 will most likely be released this autumn. Camera is already very nice in my opinion. If you have some money, go ahead. Otherwise wait six more months. It's up to you...
Cheers...
As someone who mainly used Samsung phones in past, I will not even consider S8 as anything. Why? Because of two reasons. First one is a personal requirement. I simply need a phone with smoothly working and consistent UI, which will lag the least, which will be reliable and not throw plenty FC and stuffs. And second one is a FACT. You wanna use an Android phone for real? Then use an android phone for real. Pixel IS Android. Samsung phones are Android in name. If you compare features of the two then Pixel will feel really dull, lacking in features.
Out of Pixel vs S8, I don't even see any point why in God's name would one choose the S8 over Pixel. Only one thing better is less bezels causing a huge and better display. Otherwise that glossy back panel, that fingerprint sensor positioning, a hardware second voice assistant button, jeez! And I am not even saying anything about their new Grace UI.
Pixel 2 will come out same time like Pixel 1 came out, around October.
After using Pixel for three months I have to say the phone simply rocked in most parts, incredible software experience, though still no iOS, that's why I sold it, incredible camera, that I can't forget from my mind, tremendous call quality, clean loud speaker etc., if someone really wanna buy an Android then there is no better phone, or nothing comes even close at this point.
I heard the software for the camera is lacking though. There are limited camera controls and the shutter speed can't go up to 30 seconds (not even with 3rd party Android apps). Is that true?
in addition, I noticed Samsung's weakness in GPS accuracy (this holds true from S2 days even to S8!). iPhone always gets the GPS position right the very first time and in quick time. Does the Pixel match up in this case?
dylansmith said:
I heard the software for the camera is lacking though. There are limited camera controls and the shutter speed can't go up to 30 seconds (not even with 3rd party Android apps). Is that true?
in addition, I noticed Samsung's weakness in GPS accuracy (this holds true from S2 days even to S8!). iPhone always gets the GPS position right the very first time and in quick time. Does the Pixel match up in this case?
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Hey,
Can't speak for the camera as for advanced sbot I'd use a DSLR. :good:
My GPS works well, no issue...
Your right, my SII gps.conf had to be tweaked to work properly.
Cheers...
dylansmith said:
I heard the software for the camera is lacking though. There are limited camera controls and the shutter speed can't go up to 30 seconds (not even with 3rd party Android apps). Is that true?
in addition, I noticed Samsung's weakness in GPS accuracy (this holds true from S2 days even to S8!). iPhone always gets the GPS position right the very first time and in quick time. Does the Pixel match up in this case?
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No manual controls. Only you can increase or decrease exposure that's it. Lowest shutter speed will be 1/4 with HDR+ I think, no less than that. And no, third party camera apps don't do **** here, all are basically meaningless.
But HDR+ as a whole is leagues ahead than other phones. I have never seen any phone capturing this much details in low light. The camera is brilliant in any way you at it. Just there are two problems, sometimes in low light it keeps focusing on the subject, and there is a blown out effect around light sources in a photo, which looks pretty bad when zoomed in.
GPS accuracy of the phone was awesome. Can't speak for iPhone but most accurate Android, fastest too, I have ever used.
I have a question too, since we are on the topic of switching. I'm thinking about switching from the s7 edge to a pixel/xl, and I was wondering are all the bootloaders for the pixel and xl unlock-able or do I have to look for a certain type?
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I have a question too, since we are on the topic of switching. I'm thinking about switching from the s7 edge to a pixel/xl, and I was wondering are all the bootloaders for the pixel and xl unlock-able or do I have to look for a certain type?
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Hello,
All models directly bought from Google can be unlocked.
Verizon, EE, maybe others, not sure. You can find more infos by reading this forum, it's here if you search... Those can be unlocked if the Android version is 7.1 with an exploit called dePixel8: http://theroot.ninja/depixel8.html
On newer version, the exploit has been patched. If i was you, I'd rather look for a Google version if you want an unlockable bootloader...
Cheers...
loeffler23 said:
I have a question too, since we are on the topic of switching. I'm thinking about switching from the s7 edge to a pixel/xl, and I was wondering are all the bootloaders for the pixel and xl unlock-able or do I have to look for a certain type?
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I went from S7 to Pixel XL and love it, but I'll go ahead and warn you; if you want the unlockable bootloader, don't buy it from Verizon, order it from the Google Store. The Verizon model (includes getting it at Best Buy) has an permanently locked (can't be unlocked) bootloader on current firmware, but the Google Store source Pixel should always be unlockable no matter what firmware it's updated to. Hope that's accurate, I think it is, unless someone comes up with an exploit to allow unlocking the Verizon bootloader.
Although the device works well in some aspects such as the camera and speed, it is the worst I've had in terms of a "phone". The amount of dropped and missed calls is just not acceptable. Do a search on google's pixel support forum and you'll see I'm not the only one. There's also other connectivity problems like bt and wifi that just shouldn't be. Also Google is shoving more and more ads and money makers for them into everything they do. Example: maps now has a Pacman game built in. They're also making it harder and harder on developers to modify their tracking devices. So, after being an Android fanboy for the last 6 yrs, I'll be looking elsewhere when this one dies the normal death (battery already not lasting through the day like when I bought it).
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Although the device works well in some aspects such as the camera and speed, it is the worst I've had in terms of a "phone". The amount of dropped and missed calls is just not acceptable. Do a search on google's pixel support forum and you'll see I'm not the only one. There's also other connectivity problems like bt and wifi that just shouldn't be. Also Google is shoving more and more ads and money makers for them into everything they do. Example: maps now has a Pacman game built in. They're also making it harder and harder on developers to modify their tracking devices. So, after being an Android fanboy for the last 6 yrs, I'll be looking elsewhere when this one dies the normal death (battery already not lasting through the day like when I bought it).
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Hello... If you experience one or more of the issues you describe, why not simply RMA your device? :good:
Cheers...
5.1 said:
Hello... If you experience one or more of the issues you describe, why not simply RMA your device? :good:
Cheers...
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Because I got it from Verizon while I could still unlock the bootloader. If I get another from them I won't be able to. Also if you read some of the support forums on VZW or Google you'll see getting another phone is not the answer as some have been through 3-5. The problem lies in the way the new technology in the chip interacts with the towers. So it depends more on where where you are and if the towers have been updated which will be a long time coming in the rural areas that I work in.
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Because I got it from Verizon while I could still unlock the bootloader. If I get another from them I won't be able to. Also if you read some of the support forums on VZW or Google you'll see getting another phone is not the answer as some have been through 3-5. The problem lies in the way the new technology in the chip interacts with the towers. So it depends more on where where you are and if the towers have been updated which will be a long time coming in the rural areas that I work in.
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Hey,
Ah... I understand you. Yeah the Verizon policy is really annoying for those wanting an unlockable bootloader.
Also, what makes other manufacturers better as they should pack the same technology in their new chips as well, no?
Cheers...
Hell-to-the-nah-naaaah
Without Xposed, I won't even consider an S8.
Actually, I wouldn't even if they got LOS or AOSP ROM's.
Even back when Galaxy phones did get that type of ROM support, they were always buggy A.F.
Wasn't till I got a Motorola X Pure and Google phone till I found out what a "stable" custom ROM was.
I was rooting & ROM'ing Galaxy Skyrocket, S3, S4, Note 3, Note 4... never had such stability as since the Pure and Pixel.
Sucks too, because I want those new slim bezels, 1000 nit screen, extra water resistance and glove mode if they still have it.
dylansmith said:
Is it true that the Pixel will remain buttery smooth throughout its entire lifespan (say 3 years)
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No, it is not true. Pixel XL uses Snapdragon 821 cpu, which is already obsolete today. The most current and fastest cpu in USA is Snapdragon 835, which is about 30% faster than 821 used in Pixel. In 3 years, this phone will be a complete hog, giving you maybe less that 15 frames per second... If Google keeps updating the OS. If it doesn't, it will stay the same speed. Ironic...
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Is it true that it is better than its competitors like Samsung in preventing rogue apps from mysteriously draining the battery over time?
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No, it is not true. Pixel XL is one of the worst battery draining flagship phones on the market today. Its use of Google Assistant constantly in the background is the major source of battery drain, unless you disable it. But when you disable it, you lose a lot of functionality like the weather widget on main screen, or any other functionality associated with it. Even Galaxy S7/8, with always on display technology, drains less battery than Pixel XL. It's a battery hog. On the other hand, it's active usage battery drain is compatible with other flagship phones. But when you turn off the screen, prepare for a beating.
dylansmith said:
I've been using Samsung all along and frankly quite tired of doing mods just to keep it fast, smooth, low-battery sucking, just like iPhone.
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No, it's not true. You don't actually need to do mods to keep a 1-2 year old Samsung flagship phone running fast, smooth, and low-battery sucking. Perhaps your problems are with Google Services settings and Google's inability to fix bugs in their software. Avoid that software, use Samsung's instead.
dylansmith said:
Will the Pixel be very comparable to the iPhone in all aspects?
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Yes, that is true. Google Pixel XL will be a very basic phone with limited capabilities.
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What will I lose (other than obvious things like the screen) by jumping from S8 to Pixel?
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Yes, it is true. You will lose quite a bit. Here's a list in no particular order:
1) Infinity Display / Curved edges / sense of style / 84% screen to body ratio.
2) Best brightness and best brightness in sunlight ratings.
3) HDR screen certification.
4) IP68 water and dust proofing.
5) Gorilla Glass 5 durability.
6) Wireless charging and Fast Wireless Charging.
7) Micro SD card expansion.
8) Best in class low light camera performance. Best in class camera sharpness performance. Best in class selfie camera.
9) Bluetooth 5.0
10) Always On Display.
11) LTE-4CA, twice faster LTE.
12) Samsung Pay, which works everywhere, even without NFC terminals. Works with magnetic stripe readers, which is unique, because no other pay systems can do that.
13) Iris scanner security.
14) SpO2 meter, heart rate sensor.
15) Desktop dock option with optimized desktop OS.
16) Bixby - **** Bixby. Minus 10 points here.
So, you see? You would be losing A LOT!
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No, it is not true. Pixel XL uses Snapdragon 821 cpu, which is already obsolete today. The most current and fastest cpu in USA is Snapdragon 835, which is about 30% faster than 821 used in Pixel. In 3 years, this phone will be a complete hog, giving you maybe less that 15 frames per second... If Google keeps updating the OS. If it doesn't, it will stay the same speed. Ironic...
No, it is not true. Pixel XL is one of the worst battery draining flagship phones on the market today. Its use of Google Assistant constantly in the background is the major source of battery drain, unless you disable it. But when you disable it, you lose a lot of functionality like the weather widget on main screen, or any other functionality associated with it. Even Galaxy S7/8, with always on display technology, drains less battery than Pixel XL. It's a battery hog. On the other hand, it's active usage battery drain is compatible with other flagship phones. But when you turn off the screen, prepare for a beating.
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So, you see? You would be losing A LOT!
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2 things
1 - The Pixel XL gives me 7 to 8 hours SOT, location and assistant all on normally. On standby, drain is less than 1%. I call that impressive.
2 - 821 may be the "not the best" but it is still the second best. I have both the iPhone 6 (not S), and the OnePlus One (running a Snapdragon 801) and they're both still rocking it and are smooth as butter. They are both 3 years old. Nothing gets slowed down or becomes heavy and stuttering unless you're installing a crapload of useless things on it. Pixel being a Pixel will get Android O and even Android P, which will surely optimize it even further.
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Is it true that the Pixel will remain buttery smooth throughout its entire lifespan (say 3 years)
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I get little pauses at times when some of my Tasker routines run, so realistically I doubt if I would describe the phone that way after three years.
I've been using Samsung all along and frankly quite tired of doing mods just to keep it fast, smooth, low-battery sucking, just like iPhone.
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I had an iPhone 7 before getting the regular Pixel. The iPhone clearly had better battery life for my usage patterns out of the box. I've made a bunch of changes to the Pixel so that it's comparable to the iPhone and my previous phone, but out of the box I would tend to expect Apple to have the edge.
Lastly, when will Pixel 2 be out?
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It will probably release during the same time of the year as the last two phones. The wiki has the announcement and first availability dates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_(smartphone)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_6P
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I get little pauses at times when some of my Tasker routines run, so realistically I doubt if I would describe the phone that way after three years.
I had an iPhone 7 before getting the regular Pixel. The iPhone clearly had better battery life for my usage patterns out of the box. I've made a bunch of changes to the Pixel so that it's comparable to the iPhone and my previous phone, but out of the box I would tend to expect Apple to have the edge.
It will probably release during the same time of the year as the last two phones. The wiki has the announcement and first availability dates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_(smartphone)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_6P
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Just curious, what changes have you made?
Rooting aside - as for the first time I do not feel a need to root a device.
A lot of my setup relies on Tasker to automatically make setting changes, so it requires root or something like AutoTools Secure Settings on an unrooted phone. My impression was that typically turning off adaptive brightness when indoors may be one of the bigger battery savers from the list. I also had issues with my phone burning through lots of battery when I left wifi on, so automatically shutting off wifi when not in use was another big battery saver, although I hadn't tried changing "Keep Wi-Fi on during sleep" before installing Tasker. I doubt if the average person would benefit much by things like turning off Google Assistant, but I was trying to get the best standby battery life that I could for the times when I just use the Pixel as nothing more than a phone for talking and texting.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=71146945&postcount=301
What do you guys think? Still waiting for my one to come.
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I have both and trust me. We are at this point of time where all these speed tests are just useless ... u won't feel the difference between the 2 (add iPhones to them)
It's all about fluidity and smoothness now and how the software really serves you... and I can assure u oneUI is years ahead of EMUI. Giving that mate 20 pro is superior hardware wise in everything except the screen but emui just screwed the experience
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I have both and trust me. We are at this point of time where all these speed tests are just useless ... u won't feel the difference between the 2 (add iPhones to them)
It's all about fluidity and smoothness now and how the software really serves you... and I can assure u oneUI is years ahead of EMUI. Giving that mate 20 pro is superior hardware wise in everything except the screen but emui just screwed the experience
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The Mate is superior Hardware wise? ???
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The Mate is superior Hardware wise?
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Yes my dear, Mate 20 is better hardware wise is just a fact
cameras with bigger pixel size (and mega pixel) and 3x optical zoom and wait till I show u the difference when it's dark. U will be shocked even without the night mode.
2 AI detigated mambo jumbo (search for ai video modes and u will understand)
Bigger battery and much better battery life
40w fast charging and 15w wireless charging
7nm chip ( I have the exynos not snapdragon)
3d face scanner + the in display FB.
Infra red still.
Now imagine if u can use Samsung DEX wirelessly ... yup mate 20 can do that.
S10 has the best screen and support an SD card
Otherwise they are the same even in screen size or wireless powershare etc etc
I don't know if the laughs out of ignorance and sarcasm or u r just shocked by simple facts!
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Yes my dear, Mate 20 is better hardware wise is just a fact
cameras with bigger pixel size (and mega pixel) and 3x optical zoom and wait till I show u the difference when it's dark. U will be shocked even without the night mode.
2 AI detigated mambo jumbo (search for ai video modes and u will understand)
Bigger battery and much better battery life
40w fast charging and 15w wireless charging
7nm chip ( I have the exynos not snapdragon)
3d face scanner + the in display FB.
Infra red still.
Now imagine if u can use Samsung DEX wirelessly ... yup mate 20 can do that.
S10 has the best screen and support an SD card
Otherwise they are the same even in screen size or wireless powershare etc etc
I don't know if the laughs out of ignorance and sarcasm or u r just shocked by simple facts!
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What a bunch of crap, the 980 is a on a half baked 7nm node and you can see that by how it performs, worse than most 10nm+ in most cases, the gpu is a total scam so hard that they had to come back with fake advertising and turbo naming gimmicks to make their Chinese users fall for that, the rest of the world didn't.
The battery isn't bigger, it can be 100mah bigger in theory and that's up to the marketing department, you won't know unless you run a lab, in real life battery tests the S10+ totally destroys the competition.
The fp scanner can be fooled by a picture of your finger, pathetic.
The face ID can also be fooled by people that look slightly similar to you, even more pathetic.
Huawei has no access to top end AMOLEDs and never will, they can't even cut holes in their OLED yet.
20W+ fast charging has been demonstrated to accelerate battery degradation by a lot, sensitive OEMs started giving us the choice to disable that for a reason, I guess the average user likes to charge their battery in 30 min, not caring it will reach 50% health in a year, guess who benefits of the battery replacement service?
Exynos' NPU can host 7 times more AI operations than anything Huawei has came with, not even a challenge.
Samsung also makes way better use of AI, for the first time we have a phone that knows how to use a neural network, not just for some stupid camera modes, the whole phone learns how to adapt to you.
No need to talk about software quality, OneUI is made to be better than the pixel experience, not some EMUI clone of iOS for people who can't afford Apple devices.
DeX isn't a simple wifi streamed UI, it's a whole setup that needs hardware to work, it is intended for developers and people who need bigger screens and Linux, once again not even a match.
It might be a cultural thing or just greed, but every Huawei product screams quantity over quality, the results reflect that.
Which s10+ model?
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What a bunch of crap, the 980 is a on a half baked 7nm node and you can see that by how it performs, worse than most 10nm+ in most cases, the gpu is a total scam so hard that they had to come back with fake advertising and turbo naming gimmicks to make their Chinese users fall for that, the rest of the world didn't.
The battery isn't bigger, it can be 100mah bigger in theory and that's up to the marketing department, you won't know unless you run a lab, in real life battery tests the S10+ totally destroys the competition.
The fp scanner can be fooled by a picture of your finger, pathetic.
The face ID can also be fooled by people that look slightly similar to you, even more pathetic.
Huawei has no access to top end AMOLEDs and never will, they can't even cut holes in their OLED yet.
20W+ fast charging has been demonstrated to accelerate battery degradation by a lot, sensitive OEMs started giving us the choice to disable that for a reason, I guess the average user likes to charge their battery in 30 min, not caring it will reach 50% health in a year, guess who benefits of the battery replacement service?
Exynos' NPU can host 7 times more AI operations than anything Huawei has came with, not even a challenge.
Samsung also makes way better use of AI, for the first time we have a phone that knows how to use a neural network, not just for some stupid camera modes, the whole phone learns how to adapt to you.
No need to talk about software quality, OneUI is made to be better than the pixel experience, not some EMUI clone of iOS for people who can't afford Apple devices.
DeX isn't a simple wifi streamed UI, it's a whole setup that needs hardware to work, it is intended for developers and people who need bigger screens and Linux, once again not even a match.
It might be a cultural thing or just greed, but every Huawei product screams quantity over quality, the results reflect that.
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Well said. Thanks.
Corv0 said:
What a bunch of crap, the 980 is a on a half baked 7nm node and you can see that by how it performs, worse than most 10nm+ in most cases, the gpu is a total scam so hard that they had to come back with fake advertising and turbo naming gimmicks to make their Chinese users fall for that, the rest of the world didn't.
The battery isn't bigger, it can be 100mah bigger in theory and that's up to the marketing department, you won't know unless you run a lab, in real life battery tests the S10+ totally destroys the competition.
The fp scanner can be fooled by a picture of your finger, pathetic.
The face ID can also be fooled by people that look slightly similar to you, even more pathetic.
Huawei has no access to top end AMOLEDs and never will, they can't even cut holes in their OLED yet.
20W+ fast charging has been demonstrated to accelerate battery degradation by a lot, sensitive OEMs started giving us the choice to disable that for a reason, I guess the average user likes to charge their battery in 30 min, not caring it will reach 50% health in a year, guess who benefits of the battery replacement service?
Exynos' NPU can host 7 times more AI operations than anything Huawei has came with, not even a challenge.
Samsung also makes way better use of AI, for the first time we have a phone that knows how to use a neural network, not just for some stupid camera modes, the whole phone learns how to adapt to you.
No need to talk about software quality, OneUI is made to be better than the pixel experience, not some EMUI clone of iOS for people who can't afford Apple devices.
DeX isn't a simple wifi streamed UI, it's a whole setup that needs hardware to work, it is intended for developers and people who need bigger screens and Linux, once again not even a match.
It might be a cultural thing or just greed, but every Huawei product screams quantity over quality, the results reflect that.
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Sorry but you are not correct. I have both phones and mate 20 Pro has significantly better battery life, at least for me. And it takes better pictures especially at night.
As for biometric, mate 20 Pro has 3D face unlock which is very secure and fast.
This is not to say that S10 is a bad phone, but mate 20 Pro has several advantages over it.
ok,
better battery than mate 20 pro -> simply no, just no....
better camera than mate 20 pro -> hell, no
give me some technical research, that is proofing your points...
and take off your ****ing fanboy glasses, there are other good devices on the market....
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What a bunch of crap, the 980 is a on a half baked 7nm node and you can see that by how it performs, worse than most 10nm+ in most cases, the gpu is a total scam so hard that they had to come back with fake advertising and turbo naming gimmicks to make their Chinese users fall for that, the rest of the world didn't.
The battery isn't bigger, it can be 100mah bigger in theory and that's up to the marketing department, you won't know unless you run a lab, in real life battery tests the S10+ totally destroys the competition.
The fp scanner can be fooled by a picture of your finger, pathetic.
The face ID can also be fooled by people that look slightly similar to you, even more pathetic.
Huawei has no access to top end AMOLEDs and never will, they can't even cut holes in their OLED yet.
20W+ fast charging has been demonstrated to accelerate battery degradation by a lot, sensitive OEMs started giving us the choice to disable that for a reason, I guess the average user likes to charge their battery in 30 min, not caring it will reach 50% health in a year, guess who benefits of the battery replacement service?
Exynos' NPU can host 7 times more AI operations than anything Huawei has came with, not even a challenge.
Samsung also makes way better use of AI, for the first time we have a phone that knows how to use a neural network, not just for some stupid camera modes, the whole phone learns how to adapt to you.
No need to talk about software quality, OneUI is made to be better than the pixel experience, not some EMUI clone of iOS for people who can't afford Apple devices.
DeX isn't a simple wifi streamed UI, it's a whole setup that needs hardware to work, it is intended for developers and people who need bigger screens and Linux, once again not even a match.
It might be a cultural thing or just greed, but every Huawei product screams quantity over quality, the results reflect that.
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you have no idea what u r talking about, do u ?
"the 980 is a on a half baked 7nm node and you can see that by how it performs, worse than most 10nm+ in most cases, the gpu is a total scam so hard that they had to come back with fake advertising and turbo naming gimmicks to make their Chinese users fall for that, the rest of the world didn't."
dude have u even saw the video posted by the OP ? just watch it man .... LOL.
it is very obvious you have no idea what are you talking about also when u mentioned Dex,
"DeX isn't a simple wifi streamed UI, it's a whole setup that needs hardware to work, it is intended for developers and people who need bigger screens and Linux, once again not even a match."
you have no idea about EMUI Desktop, do you? you think i am just comparing DEX to a screen mirroring ?
please educate yourself. its embarrassing dude. and what makes it funny is someone actually said "well said". LOL @fanboys
the facts are:
battery is way better with huawei, i dont care about speed tests or battery drains online or marketing bla bla bla, i can get easily 8 to 9 hours SOT and with the same use i get 5 hours max with S10+, any user of both will say the same thing,
they will also say it has a better camera specially at night or dark environment.
it also gets a much faster charging speed and they are so confident about it they and gives a whole year of battery warranty free of charge replacement globally except of course in the US (and 6 months for the screen btw), so again, EDUCATE yourself fanboy, dont be like the apple cheeps who justify not having an option by saying apple knows better.
now for the AI,
"Samsung also makes way better use of AI, for the first time we have a phone that knows how to use a neural network, not just for some stupid camera modes, the whole phone learns how to adapt to you."
can you give other examples please? cuz this is exactly what huawei is saying about their devices for 2 years and its proven with mate 9 now. it doesn't mean samsung said it means its new or true at least to be tested. plus the camera mods u dont like
that said, Dude i have both phones, i actually had mate 20 pro as a secondary phone and replaced my note 9 with s10 plus, i even agree that oneUI is the best and EMUI is an iOS Clone "review my earlier posts" so get your facts straight, take off your fanboy glasses coz bashing the 3D scanner (that even XDA Experts say its better that the iphone's) on this devise to make it sound worthless is just a joke. big one.
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that said, Dude i have both phones, i actually had mate 20 pro as a secondary phone and replaced my note 9 with s10 plus, i even agree that oneUI is the best and EMUI is an iOS Clone "review my earlier posts" so get your facts straight, take off your fanboy glasses coz bashing the 3D scanner (that even XDA Experts say its better that the iphone's) on this devise to make it sound worthless is just a joke. big one.
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Why are you accusing me of being a fanboy when you are heavily promoting an older and inferior phone without providing any argument?
All the points I explained are easily true just by following reviews and owning both devices for a short amount of time, you OBVIOUSLY haven't owned them both otherwise you wouldn't be here against me and against common sense.
I really see no point in defending the S10+ since it bought 2019 for itself and it's in a totally different league, I won't fight a guy that claims his Fiat is better than a Tesla, he's was obviously born mentally challenged.
Or you could also be a Huawei Rep/advertiser, you easily recognize them by their broken English and poor critical thinking skills.
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Why are you accusing me of being a fanboy when you are heavily promoting an older and inferior phone without providing any argument?
All the points I explained are easily true just by following reviews and owning both devices for a short amount of time, you OBVIOUSLY haven't owned them both otherwise you wouldn't be here against me and against common sense.
I really see no point in defending the S10+ since it bought 2019 for itself and it's in a totally different league, I won't fight a guy that claims his Fiat is better than a Tesla, he's was obviously born mentally challenged.
Or you could also be a Huawei Rep/advertiser, you easily recognize them by their broken English and poor critical thinking skills.
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i know u feel embarrassed out of all the wrong information and ignorant assumptions u wrote, but you cant make it right by some accusations, stupid ones if i may add. makes you look like a real loser instead of a gentleman trying to prove a point
anyway, did you educate yourself about EMUI desktop and fast charging ?? did you watch the video from the OP ? did your read what actual users wrote before my comment about battery and camera ? i guess not, typical fanboy.
now look at the attachments and feel ashamed for a while, even embarrassed, then come back and say sorry for accusing someone you dont know of lying or being a huawei rep/advertiser.
sorry for my broken English, its not my first language, or even second or third, but i am trying to be better and learn more, hope u will do the same one day .
have a nice day.
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i know u feel embarrassed out of all the wrong information and ignorant assumptions u wrote, but you cant make it right by some accusations, stupid ones if i may add. makes you look like a real loser instead of a gentleman trying to prove a point
anyway, did you educate yourself about EMUI desktop and fast charging ?? did you watch the video from the OP ? did your read what actual users wrote before my comment about battery and camera ? i guess not, typical fanboy.
now look at the attachments and feel ashamed for a while, even embarrassed, then come back and say sorry for accusing someone you dont know of lying or being a huawei rep/advertiser.
sorry for my broken English, its not my first language, or even second or third, but i am trying to be better and learn more, hope u will do the same one day .
have a nice day.
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Pathetic, you're wasting my time since you can't even comprehend what I'm talking about.
And stop overusing "embarrassed, ashamed", makes you sound like you just left primary school, those are kindergarten insults.
You might have both phones for whatever reason, that just proves how much of a blind fanboy you are, you're literally defending your stupid financial choices by calling others ignorant, why don't you do a technical review instead of screaming ignorance on forums?
English isn't even close to being my native language either, we don't live in the middle ages and English is now a requirement everywhere, insinuating you also speak other languages is cringe and unnecessary, but I suppose you might be pretty young so you see that as an achievement.
You're asking for flames and you don't contribute to the discussion in any intelligent way.
See you back on XDA when you're done growing up.
Ohh, another comparison thread going south...
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Hello fellas,
I have a query to you all who are using this device for more than six months up to a year, the Nokia 6.1 or Nokia 6 2018 edition, is this a problem free device? I am looking to purchase this this specific model is currently undergoing a sale in India and would like to pick it up for my mother, who is a senior citizen, so a few basic things I need to know.
I don't need much from a cheap phone. I just need to know the following things, is the earpiece volume of the device in-call loud enough? Is the loudspeaker itself loud enough? How much SoT are you getting on Pie? Is there any known problem occurring in long term? Because the reviews are not good of the device and that makes me wonder whether there is any real problem with the device or not.
I will really appreciate your useful inputs on this.
ithehappy said:
is the earpiece volume of the device in-call loud enough? Is the loudspeaker itself loud enough?
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No problem for me with call volumes.
ithehappy said:
How much SoT are you getting on Pie?
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Like anything, depends on what you're doing. I don't often run mine dead, but I'd say average 5 - 6 hours SoT mostly light web browsing extrapolating to if I did run it dead. It's standby battery drain isn't the greatest, but not terrible either. I often only charge it every other day, but I'm not a super heavy user.
ithehappy said:
Is there any known problem occurring in long term?
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I have lots of little complaints about the software. While I'm able to workaround or ignore them, I don't highly recommend this device. It's lots of little things. Double tap to wake is terribly unreliable. I've never got USB MTP file transfer to work at all and ADB is unreliable. I workaround that using SMB, but I doubt the average senior citizen has a file server set up if transfers to/from phone are needed. The camera is not very good; Google camera port makes it somewhat better. The RAM management is terrible; Nokia actually bundled a fscking third party "battery protection" task killer in the system. I could go on, but most of these land in the annoying category. They might well be stuff your mother would never notice.
On the upside, it's running Android Pie. Mine is currently installing the May 2019 security patch as I type this, and I only paid US $150 for it new, so it's got all that going for it.
I like to call it the most adequate phone ever. Lots of little aggravating problems, but nothing so bad as to make me buy something else (I bought it under duress - my primary phone had died, and backup had funky buttons). The hardware is pretty nice for the price point. If old Motorola (Google's Moto devs, not Levnovo!) had built the ROM for it, I bet it would be a killer low end mid-ranger. As it is, it is a little mediocre.
jason2678 said:
No problem for me with call volumes.
Like anything, depends on what you're doing. I don't often run mine dead, but I'd say average 5 - 6 hours SoT mostly light web browsing extrapolating to if I did run it dead. It's standby battery drain isn't the greatest, but not terrible either. I often only charge it every other day, but I'm not a super heavy user.
I have lots of little complaints about the software. While I'm able to workaround or ignore them, I don't highly recommend this device. It's lots of little things. Double tap to wake is terribly unreliable. I've never got USB MTP file transfer to work at all and ADB is unreliable. I workaround that using SMB, but I doubt the average senior citizen has a file server set up if transfers to/from phone are needed. The camera is not very good; Google camera port makes it somewhat better. The RAM management is terrible; Nokia actually bundled a fscking third party "battery protection" task killer in the system. I could go on, but most of these land in the annoying category. They might well be stuff your mother would never notice.
On the upside, it's running Android Pie. Mine is currently installing the May 2019 security patch as I type this, and I only paid US $150 for it new, so it's got all that going for it.
I like to call it the most adequate phone ever. Lots of little aggravating problems, but nothing so bad as to make me buy something else (I bought it under duress - my primary phone had died, and backup had funky buttons). The hardware is pretty nice for the price point. If old Motorola (Google's Moto devs, not Levnovo!) had built the ROM for it, I bet it would be a killer low end mid-ranger. As it is, it is a little mediocre.
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Thanks a ton for a really excellent well put feedback can't appreciate it more. Wish more people talked as clear as you.
Anyway, the camera part is a bit scary, I mean I don't understand to what extent it's 'not very good', I thought for the price its supposed to have a decent enough camera. My camera expectations from it is none whatsoever, but when you say not good, I wish I knew exactly against what I can relate it to.
That automatic task killing thing is terrible too.
Funny thing, I actually just bought my mother a Asus Zenfone Max M1 (not the PRO variant), and while the phone is good and all, I can't stand its ZenUI, and ironically it also has some RAM clearing stuff built-in, which for the life of me I can't disable. Other than that I hate the blue channel of the display, which is absurdly high, and no option to decrease it anywhere and the new 18:9 ratio is plain nonsense to my eyes. So I am returning it and thought as the Nokia 6.1 came in offer it would be a great buy, especially the price has gone down to 6999 INR (100 USD) under this sale.
Hmm, I am bit confused now. Not a very good camera, software inconsistencies and poor choice like that of the task killer etc., dunno what to do. Sale ends tomorrow anyway LoL.
In any case, thanks once again for your input.
ithehappy said:
Hmm, I am bit confused now. Not a very good camera, software inconsistencies and poor choice like that of the task killer etc., dunno what to do. Sale ends tomorrow anyway LoL.
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The camera sensor is probably fine. I think it is the software side image processing that is lacking. There is a Google camera port that works almost flawlessly (I've had a few FCs) that improves the image quality quite a bit. For what it's worth, my perspective is probably skewed by the fact that my wife is using a Pixel 3XL, and it is hard to say enough good things about it for a phone camera.
However, I think my Moto X (2015) took better pictures than the Nokia 6.1 (2018) does. Without the Google camera port, I think my ancient Galaxy S3 took better pictures than the stock Nokia camera. Software matters on phone cameras, a lot, and I don't see it as HMD Global's strong suit.
Nokia didn't design the camera on this phone. They partnered with a company called Evenwell to handle the camera and some other utilities; that's where the "battery protection" task killer came from. So it's an Android One phone, but it still comes loaded up with some third party telemetry and crapware.
First of all let me apologize for probably creating a new thread for something that has probably been addressed dozens of times here. I'm a Sr member & should know better (but I live in WA state where our biggest retail crop these days is cannabis and - well you get the idea
I just bought a brand new s9 from the Boost up program and the battery life is terrible. I have to charge this phone at least twice a day.
I am a power user and have this phone on a good portion of the day but I've had dozens of new and 1 or 2 yr off flagship phones and the battery life on this one reminds me of about a 3-year old fading flagship
Is this normal for this model? For the record, I love this phone. The cam is awesome. If I could put it in my broken S7's skin it would be about perfect. I just loved the feel of the S7.
Boost store wouldn't exchange it because of an imagined scratch on it (ugly scene, the words "call a cop then bi**h were shouted.)
Is it normal to suck so much
I was used to an LG XCharge, tough, good working phone w a 3500ma battery (free from Boost for switching, still works perfectly after 16 Mos, my new record for owning a phone, highly recommended)
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First of all let me apologize for probably creating a new thread for something that has probably been addressed dozens of times here. I'm a Sr member & should know better (but I live in WA state where our biggest retail crop these days is cannabis and - well you get the idea
I just bought a brand new s9 from the Boost up program and the battery life is terrible. I have to charge this phone at least twice a day.
I am a power user and have this phone on a good portion of the day but I've had dozens of new and 1 or 2 yr off flagship phones and the battery life on this one reminds me of about a 3-year old fading flagship
Is this normal for this model? For the record, I love this phone. The cam is awesome. If I could put it in my broken S7's skin it would be about perfect. I just loved the feel of the S7.
Boost store wouldn't exchange it because of an imagined scratch on it (ugly scene, the words "call a cop then bi**h were shouted.)
Is it normal to suck so much
I was used to an LG XCharge, tough, good working phone w a 3500ma battery (free from Boost for switching, still works perfectly after 16 Mos, my new record for owning a phone, highly recommended)
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yes, the battery on these things suck. if you flash the U1 firmware, it removes a ton of crapware on it and it helps some, but not much. Maybe 20% increase of batt. The batt was the biggest letdown of the whole phone
Thanks, I knew the processor was a bit power hungry. I got spoiled w the X charge. It was less than 2/3 less powerful but had a huge battery. If the cam didn't suck so much I'd still be rockin it.
Then of course there is the display on the s9 which is fantastic. That takes most of the power. I can switch to a lower res & do if I'm not playing games. It's nice to have a phone that can keep up for a minute.
Another thing I've noticed is frequent app crashes when playing graphic intensive games. Is this common? I'm trying to get a positive review for my blog.
Oh and for the record
I HATE BIXBY AND ESPECIALLY THE BIXBY BUTTON
That was a mistake. Here's hoping Google will quietly strangle Bixby in her perpetual sleep.
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Thanks, I knew the processor was a bit power hungry. I got spoiled w the X charge. It was less than 2/3 less powerful but had a huge battery. If the cam didn't suck so much I'd still be rockin it.
Then of course there is the display on the s9 which is fantastic. That takes most of the power. I can switch to a lower res & do if I'm not playing games. It's nice to have a phone that can keep up for a minute.
Another thing I've noticed is frequent app crashes when playing graphic intensive games. Is this common? I'm trying to get a positive review for my blog.
Oh and for the record
I HATE BIXBY AND ESPECIALLY THE BIXBY BUTTON
That was a mistake. Here's hoping Google will quietly strangle Bixby in her perpetual sleep.
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i dont game at all so, i have no experience with that. the last game i played was Earthworm Jim 2 on my modded psp and i only played it to make sure it wasnt glitchy. Literally purchased it for next to nothing just so i could mod it as i hadnt ever done one until then.
positives? its functionality is as solid as can be expected with android. my opinion is that the world of android is so fractured that once the source code is released with its own niggles, it gets compounded by each mfg adding their own little flavor upon. I dont know if google is requiring mfgs to write their own bluetooth stacks etc etc. There isnt a perfect android phone and at this rate there never will be (not that actual perfection is attainable in the first place, but you get my meaning, im sure). Samsung keeps broadening its lineup to appeal to the hundreds of millions of people out there in need of new phones in emerging markets and the recurring customers who number in the billions. It feels like theyre trying to be too many things to too many people.
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positives? its functionality is as solid as can be expected with android. my opinion is that the world of android is so fractured that once the source code is released with its own niggles, it gets compounded by each mfg adding their own little flavor upon. I dont know if google is requiring mfgs to write their own bluetooth stacks etc etc. There isnt a perfect android phone and at this rate there never will be (not that actual perfection is attainable in the first place, but you get my meaning, im sure). Samsung keeps broadening its lineup to appeal to the hundreds of millions of people out there in need of new phones in emerging markets and the recurring customers who number in the billions. It feels like theyre trying to be too many things to too many people.
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I believe you're right about the code. In it's purest form Unix was a very stable OS, along comes Linux and it gets a bit more convoluted, splinter off Android and its continual need to upgrade and pretty soon you get an OS as buggy and patched together as WinBlows.
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I believe you're right about the code. In it's purest form Unix was a very stable OS, along comes Linux and it gets a bit more convoluted, splinter off Android and its continual need to upgrade and pretty soon you get an OS as buggy and patched together as WinBlows.
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yup. speaking of which. i restart my daily driver pc every day. i never (or maybe 3 times a year) leave it on hibernate or suspend overnight. So the night before last i left it on hibernate overnight and all day the next day as i was at work and wanted to have all the tabs i had open still be there. Got to the computer yesterday after work and it had an update that needed to be installed so badly that it kept reminding me every 45 min and wouldnt let me dismiss the update notif altogether. I was like "really? the ONE DAY i didnt reboot??? REALLY???"
apparently the answer is "really"
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yup. speaking of which. i restart my daily driver pc every day. i never (or maybe 3 times a year) leave it on hibernate or suspend overnight. So the night before last i left it on hibernate overnight and all day the next day as i was at work and wanted to have all the tabs i had open still be there. Got to the computer yesterday after work and it had an update that needed to be installed so badly that it kept reminding me every 45 min and wouldnt let me dismiss the update notif altogether. I was like "really? the ONE DAY i didnt reboot??? REALLY???"
apparently the answer is "really"
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Sometimes I think the MS devs release 'critical, time now' updates just to entertain themselves. Of course a scheduled mandatory world or country-wide update could affect many things, maybe even a tick in the stock market. If that's true, I"m sure there's an algorithm to make it in MS 's favor