I just got the note. Love the hardware but the software is pissing me off. I was waiting to root until I get the lollipop but I can't handle the lack of control and all the advertisements. I gave my S4 to my son and it is still running better than this new machine that should be a Monster.
So... Can I root without a custom recovery? If so what can I do about the knox before it unroots. If it's disabled or gone will I still get my 5.0?
More preferably can I get the stock recovery so I can get a copy of the 4.4.4 before it upgrades?
You can root stock without custom recovery but you'd need custom recovery for a nandroid backup or custom ROM or kernel.
Chain Fire auto root will disable Knox enough for root and Knox would not disable root. It's an Odin tar flash so no custom recovery required for root.
As far as upgrading, you'd have to fully un-root for OTA upgrade but there's always Kies or Odin for updates which would mean rooting again. As far as having a stock backup, the stock NK2 tar is available for download both in the Sprint Note 4 XDA forum and sammobile.com or even Kies. Voiding the warranty with Knox trip and risking root are the only true risks to consider. I'd suggest having the tools you need in a folder before you begin. CF auto root includes Odin; have a backup of NK2 stock tar and TWRP in case you need them. It wouldn't hurt to also have a custom ROM on hand to flash if you run into root issues.
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You can root stock without custom recovery but you'd need custom recovery for a nandroid backup or custom ROM or kernel.
Chain Fire auto root will disable Knox enough for root and Knox would not disable root. It's an Odin tar flash so no custom recovery required for root.
As far as upgrading, you'd have to fully un-root for OTA upgrade but there's always Kies or Odin for updates which would mean rooting again. As far as having a stock backup, the stock NK2 tar is available for download both in the Sprint Note 4 XDA forum and sammobile.com or even Kies. Voiding the warranty with Knox trip and risking root are the only true risks to consider. I'd suggest having the tools you need in a folder before you begin. CF auto root includes Odin; have a backup of NK2 stock tar and TWRP in case you need them. It wouldn't hurt to also have a custom ROM on hand to flash if you run into root issues.
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Sprint's OTA is disabled with root or with out Knox. I rooted my daughter's S3 a week ago. Just used Odin to TWRP and flashed superuser. Chains asked if he could fight back and I said no. within 12 hrs Sprint sent an update and on reboot it was full un root. I was hoping if I was able to just put Superuser in that things would be manageable until I get 5.0.
If you have the stuff to unroot that would be awesome. It's impossible to say when I'll get the update. I can't get KIES to work on stock devices much less anything with root. Sprint doesn't use a serial number that samsung recognizes for a push. Does a Knox trip really void the Warranty if the phone is broken?
Root/Knox trip voids warranty as far as Samsung is concerned. Sprint and other extended warranties may not check but it's a warning that gets reiterated often for non liability reasons.
Odin the stock tar is only true un-root method that should work to restore OTA updates but also Odin the lollipop stock tar, when available, would be an option many rooted users would choose.
When I say root with stock ROM I don't mean install a ROM. I just want to have root control over apps. If I can just get super user unstalled things would be great. I"m lost where it comes to the knox though. and there seems to be a whole lot of it on this ROM. Can knox be disabled with out a trip. I know it can on the S4 and earlier. I just sent TWRp in with ODIN 3 or 4 times in a row then booted straight to recovery flashed superuser then as soon as it booted back in into Andoid I gave superuser permission to jump on knox.
I downloaded an app that says it can make ADB work with out root. But I can't get it to work on my pc
Knox trips now; no way known to undo that.
The stock kernel blocks ADB access. I haven't tried it but I thought I had read that ADB will work if phone is in recovery. Don't hold me to it.
Edit: reading your earlier post about Knox undoing root for OTA if flashing superuser and keeping Knox enabled, many rooted users found that they could un-root and download the NK2 update but it wouldn't flash due to "modified" system. I think Knox is evolving more complex in Note 4. Your method may be simpler but may not work as intended to OTA to lollipop. Odin is the method you'd have to be comfortable with before rooting.
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Root/Knox trip voids warranty as far as Samsung is concerned. Sprint and other extended warranties may not check but it's a warning that gets reiterated often for non liability reasons.
Odin the stock tar is only true un-root method that should work to restore OTA updates but also Odin the lollipop stock tar, when available, would be an option many rooted users would choose.
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How do you get he tar for Odin? Your totally right. about Odin and the tar. I really don't have to wait to get the OTA when I can just find it myself.
How did you root, a recovery and Odin? I'm trying to get the ADB to work first. I guess ADB unlock OEM will wipe everything you have but opens the firmware also. I'm not going to try that way right now I just want to shoot superuser in that way.
Sorry didn't word that very well. How do you use Odin to root without installing a custom recovery?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55865442&postcount=3
Find the 910P link and download it; open the archive and placed the contents into a folder placed and named something like Odin or Note 4 root.
There are many users around xda that have sent their phones to samsung for a warranty repair with Knox tripped and had no problem. If you really look around you'll see this Knox bit thing is really no big deal. Just don't truly brick your phone and you'll be fine
Voiding Samsung warranty isn't an issue for most people anyways. I don't warranty through Samsung. I purchased my phone from Sprint and Sprint handles the warranty.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55865442&postcount=3
Find the 910P link and download it; open the archive and placed the contents into a folder placed and named something like Odin or Note 4 root.
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Thanks for the instructions here. It worked like a charm. I had no idea I could root with out a custom recover.
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Thanks for the instructions here. It worked like a charm. I had no idea I could root with out a custom recover.
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You're welcome. If you want to backup stock recovery and use custom recovery and go back to stock recovery without flashing the the stock tar in Odin, try Flashify.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cgollner.flashify
You'd need custom recovery for backup nandroid or flashing custom ROMs, kernels, and mods (remember stock Rom is Odexed and some mods are intended for the ROM it was based on and may also be deodexed).
Flashify can also backup the stock kernel but I'd recommend the stock kernel flash because custom kernel will swap some modules that Flashify won't restore. You could skip the custom kernel unless you enjoy fiddling with custom apps and settings. The custom kernel will also have to be worked around for some video streaming and games. The stock kernel is quite capable and in my experience holds it own in benchmarks and battery savings.
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Voiding Samsung warranty isn't an issue for most people anyways. I don't warranty through Samsung. I purchased my phone from Sprint and Sprint handles the warranty.
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You pay the extra $$ for sprints protection plan?
jhill110 said:
You pay the extra $$ for sprints protection plan?
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Yes I pay 11 a month for insurance. Everything is covered for 6 months or something like that. The insurance is for breakage.
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You're welcome. If you want to backup stock recovery and use custom recovery and go back to stock recovery without flashing the the stock tar in Odin, try Flashify.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cgollner.flashify
You'd need custom recovery for backup nandroid or flashing custom ROMs, kernels, and mods (remember stock Rom is Odexed and some mods are intended for the ROM it was based on and may also be deodexed).
Flashify can also backup the stock kernel but I'd recommend the stock kernel flash because custom kernel will swap some modules that Flashify won't restore. You could skip the custom kernel unless you enjoy fiddling with custom apps and settings. The custom kernel will also have to be worked around for some video streaming and games. The stock kernel is quite capable and in my experience holds it own in benchmarks and battery savings.
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I'm going to give this method a shot. I'm sick of waiting on v Sprint to delivery anything but hidden costs. I thought it would be cool to have the original lollipop delivered to my phone but honestly I wouldn't use it long anyways. There is bound room for outside influence in a 700 dollar device. I'm going with the deodexed 5.0 on xda. I'll let you know how the flashify toy recommended goes. Your your saying it can be used to back entire stock device without custom recovery so i can lock it down before i start sending repeated knox trjps to Samsung? In putting all good Samsung apps into backup and then locking Samsung from my device indefinite
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I'm going to give this method a shot. I'm sick of waiting on v Sprint to delivery anything but hidden costs. I thought it would be cool to have the original lollipop delivered to my phone but honestly I wouldn't use it long anyways. There is bound room for outside influence in a 700 dollar device. I'm going with the deodexed 5.0 on xda. I'll let you know how the flashify toy recommended goes. Your your saying it can be used to back entire stock device without custom recovery so i can lock it down before i start sending repeated knox trjps to Samsung? In putting all good Samsung apps into backup and then locking Samsung from my device indefinite
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I believe I was saying you could backup stock recovery, Odin flash a custom recovery, perform a nandroid backup, flash a custom ROM.
Not sure who it was that asked but attempting to restore a nandroid and restore stock recovery in order to gain OTA update of lollipop may not be a sure thing. I'm not sure if it would work coming from CM12 because the partitions may be different; unsure myself. It's also no guarantee that the update feature wouldn't still flag the system as modified and refuse to install the update. Don't hold me to that; I'd recommend Odin stock tar to come back to KitKat but still unsure if OTA would be possible, if that is your goal. And most, if not all developers, recommend a full wipe/clean install before flashing custom ROMs and updates. Odin to stock tar is also a common suggested troubleshooting step as well. There is Kies and Odin for Samsung lollipop that would still give you the update for rooted devices.
I'd also recommend having CF Auto Root that includes Odin downloaded and standing by along with tar for TWRP, and NK2 stock tar. If things go wrong, you'll recover quicker with less stress. And wait until you have some to time to recover before attempting. Gotta be comfortable with Odin and have the Samsung PC drivers pre-installed and willing to risk the consequences. Others and myself can offer helpful advice, if needed.
The rooted warranty concerns have been explained away by a few. But if you feel more comfortable taking a phone in for repair with stock recovery and a restored stock nandroid go for it. You at least have to accept the notion that your custom ROM may be flashed over if taken in as well.
As far as skipping the CF auto root, I think you can if flashing a rooted ROM in custom recovery but I don't know for sure you can. I'm guessing you can because there's a flashable SuperSU that you can flash to root stock after Odin of custom recovery. A rooted ROM shouldn't be different.
Sorry if I've made assumptions. Just wanted to be clear and not misleading. Flashify can simplify things, especially stock recovery backup and restore. But don't use Flashify to backup and restore kernels unless you're also manually restoring the lib modules along with it; Flashify won't do that for you.
The flashify worked i doubt i will ever put my device back to stock. Waitng for the ota i noticed that Samsung was running updates to my device at least 10 times a day. Security updates meaning they are securing their own interests. yes it says warranty voided but I'm not sure what that means. Samsung won't sell me a phone they would rather let sprint sprint fiscally rape me in the deal. I've not seen on any Samsung site where i can purchase or warranty a device. there access is denied. The only company i allow is Google. True they market some of my information but the majority of their interest is bug reports which is used for improvement. Improvement warrants bandwith. I had the lollipop on my s4 months ago and Samsung is not even releasing it in the us. In short Samsung is left wanting in support. I rooted my device this morn and will install deodexed lollipop when i get off work. Your advice has been helpful and i lookforward to more on upgrading my kernel.
Here's my experience this past week. I flashed the stock tar and hit update now. I got the up to date message. Rooted, tried again... No dice system has been blah blah blah. I unrooted system update : system up to date. Rerooted flashed twrp of course no go. Unrooted flashed stock recovery and.... No go. Re-flashed stock rom... System up to date. Flashed twrp no go. Flashed stock recovery and still no go.
So, it seems once you flash custom recovery there's no going back without flashing the stock rom. Whew, that was a mouth full.
It's mho this Knox thing is blown way out of perportion. Hardware warranty repairs will be done even if Knox is tripped. Plenty of members have done so. If one were to brick their phone flashing that might be a different story.
I don't want the stock ROM anyways. Samsungs overkill with the Knox is equivalent to Microsoft Security update. Samsung makes some sweet hardware but fails the open source. Their trying to be Steve Jobs or Bill Gates. If wanted a to not upgrade I would stick with a Nexus. Google is the only company who agrees that your device is yours and you should always try and improve it. I was seriously getting angry being put last in the world for the newest software. Samsung saying they are updating my device which basically meant Knox was spying and correcting any changes I made. Bricking is most likely to occur if you upgrade with stock recovery.
I will say this for sprint warranty. They don't care. As long as they are able to slip in a several hidden costs with any change or purchase they are satisfied. Sprint repair are all 3rd party representatives. If you happen to find an actual sprint location you will be sent to a third party sprint store. The 3rd party will fix you up as of they don't they don't get paid.
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This is a completely stock ODIN flashable ROM with root injected into the system image. The latest image is based off of the official Kies SPR L710VPBLJ7 release which is the first official JB release on this phone.
This is a fairly easy way to get root WITHOUT tripping the flash counter that will void the warranty. If you don't care about tripping the counter then you can get root other ways.
You can get ODIN here
and the drivers for the SPH-L710 so ODIN can detect your phone can be found at Samsung's site. Click on the Manuals & Downloads tab at the bottom and then on Software for the latest driver.
First download the stock odin tar that has a rooted system image injected into it:
SPR Image (JB 4.1.1)
Perm Mirror 1: Download - root66_SPR_L710VPBLJ7.7z
SPR Image (ICS 4.0.4)
Perm Mirror 1: Download - L710VPALI3
Old SPR Image (ICS 4.0.4)
Perm Mirror 1: Download - L710VPALEN
Second,
Extract the root66_SPR_L710VPALI3.tar from the .7z file you downloaded.
Put phone into download mode [ with phone off, hold vol. down + home + power ], connect to computer and open Odin.
once in odin click the PDA field and select the root66_SPR_L710VPALEN.tar you downloaded.
Leave Auto Reboot and F. Reset Time checked.
click start and
when done let phone reboot.
If you have issues flashing with Odin please ensure you are using the microusb cable that came with the phone, users have had issues using other cables.
If you just want a stock, rooted phone with no custom recovery, no plans to flash custom roms, etc. then you can stop HERE.
Third, (optional) - on a Jelly Bean release, loading a non-stock recovery will trip your flash counter.
If you want to get clockworkmod recovery loaded so you can flash whatever you want, nandroid, etc then continue on....
Once rebooted you can essentially follow this thread to load the clockworkmod recovery but make sure you use METHOD 1 or you will trip the counter. As long as you flash the recovery using the dd method with adb (or use terminal emulator from the play store) then you will NOT trip the flash counter. If you use ODIN to flash a custom recovery you will trip the counter.
The standard CWM recovery is here and the touch recovery is here.
If you've made it this far with a stock, rooted phone with cwm and you don't want to flash a custom rom (which will do its own de-bloating) you can check out my Aroma installer based De-bloater to easily get rid of bloat system apps you no longer want to see. Simply flash in CWM like anything else and you will be presented with a menu system to choose what to remove. If you are unsure it is safe to pick Recommended and a decent de-bloat.
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OTA Updates
I understand on Sprint there are OTA updates available. If you use this root method and want to move to an OTA update you basically have two options.
1. After using this method you can grab voodoo OTA rootkeeper from the play store and apply the update straight as it is from OTA. The rootkeeper app should keep root for you after the update is applied.
2. Find someone who made a CWM flashable update, potentially with certain pieces removed and simply flash it in CWM.
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To get the injected root system image I followed pieces of
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27801304&postcount=1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22798858&postcount=32
so thanks to those guys. Neither of those worked out of the box needed a bit of tweaking.
OK...any one willing to take the leap and see? :victory::cyclops:
Naddict said:
OK...any one willing to take the leap and see? :victory::cyclops:
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No leap needed. it'll work.
Does this wipe data?
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Thanks! Been waiting for these to show up for the SGS3! They were priceless on the SGS II Epic 4G Touch.
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Does this wipe data?
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Since the original .tar file didn't wipe data, I'll go out on a limb and say this doesn't either. However, if you're restoring your home .tar file for warranty purposes I'd suggest performing a full wipe in CWM prior to flashing this in Odin, or Mobile Odin.
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Correct. It will not wipe data. You may want to depending on your needs.
so not to sound stupid, but after doing this method and getting root and CWM, then we can flash anything in cwm without tripping the counter correct?
robl45 said:
so not to sound stupid, but after doing this method and getting root and CWM, then we can flash anything in cwm without tripping the counter correct?
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correct.
robl45 said:
so not to sound stupid, but after doing this method and getting root and CWM, then we can flash anything in cwm without tripping the counter correct?
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That's what I'm wondering. Anyhoo, is there any basis to state that the tripping the flash counter will void the warranty or is that just a wild assumption?
Just to be sure, at this time there is no method of resetting the trip counter, so those that already rooted need to wait for a way to reset the counter and then will be able to use this method if they're so inclined... Is my understanding correct?
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That's what I'm wondering. Anyhoo, is there any basis to state that the tripping the flash counter will void the warranty or is that just a wild assumption?
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haha, wild assumption? The counter isn't there because people like counting. Samsung has made it incrementally harder with each gen of device to reset that counter. They provide that so the carriers and themselves CAN void your warranty as they have proof that you have flashed something that wasn't stock.
Now notice the CAN word up above. That doesn't mean they WILL void your warranty. I know for a fact I've seen friends denied service from ATT for having that counter tripped. From what I've read on these forums, it seems ATT would be one of the more strict carriers and Sprint the least. I think I read yesterday that Sprint won't really care. I have no personal experience regarding that however and they can change their stance when they like.
If you haven't tripped your counter, this is as easy a root method as any other, you are just flashing something in Odin. So if you want to ensure you are warranty covered why not use this?
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haha, wild assumption? The counter isn't there because people like counting. Samsung has made it incrementally harder with each gen of device to reset that counter. They provide that so the carriers and themselves CAN void your warranty as they have proof that you have flashed something that wasn't stock.
Now notice the CAN word up above. That doesn't mean they WILL void your warranty. I know for a fact I've seen friends denied service from ATT for having that counter tripped. From what I've read on these forums, it seems ATT would be one of the more strict carriers and Sprint the least. I think I read yesterday that Sprint won't really care. I have no personal experience regarding that however and they can change their stance when they like.
If you haven't tripped your counter, this is as easy a root method as any other, you are just flashing something in Odin. So if you want to ensure you are warranty covered why not use this?
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Gotcha, thanks for the break down. At this point I've already rooted and as a Sprint customer I'm not worried about it. Sprint's policy is to handle rooted phones the same way they handle completely stock phones. I've had rooted phones running obvious custom ROMs serviced and exchanged for warranty type issues. Anyhoo, thanks for posting!
LOL, just chatted with Samsung. Apparently they will still handle all warranty issues under warranty but will charge to reflash the phone.
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Correct. It will not wipe data. You may want to depending on your needs.
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Thanks it was for a friend just needed root.
so to go back to completely stock, you would flash a stock tar in odin and that wouldn't trip the counter either?
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so to go back to completely stock, you would flash a stock tar in odin and that wouldn't trip the counter either?
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Correct. Anything that is a stock Samsung provided file(or phone thinks it is Samsung provided file) will not trip the counter.
Thanks! This will come in handy if the wife ever lets me root her phone lol
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You Sir have made my day exactly what I was waiting for.
I've read in some threads that flashing completely to stock will reset the flash counter, can someone please confirm or refute this for me?
elfhater said:
I've read in some threads that flashing completely to stock will reset the flash counter, can someone please confirm or refute this for me?
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No it does not.
Okay basically, when I got my phone I used the toolkit to root my phone, busybox, and CWR on the phone. Now I flashed like so many different roms, I want to go back to stock, I realize how important to have a stable OS then a buggy one. How can I do this, do I need Odin? if so would this void any warranty?
I hear if you use Odin, then the device will always show that I voided the warranty. is this true?
Thanks
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Okay basically, when I got my phone I used the toolkit to root my phone, busybox, and CWR on the phone. Now I flashed like so many different roms, I want to go back to stock, I realize how important to have a stable OS then a buggy one. How can I do this, do I need Odin? if so would this void any warranty?
I hear if you use Odin, then the device will always show that I voided the warranty. is this true?
Thanks
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Check this post out. It should help you
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1725839
rayoubi said:
Okay basically, when I got my phone I used the toolkit to root my phone, busybox, and CWR on the phone. Now I flashed like so many different roms, I want to go back to stock, I realize how important to have a stable OS then a buggy one. How can I do this, do I need Odin? if so would this void any warranty?
I hear if you use Odin, then the device will always show that I voided the warranty. is this true?
Thanks
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If you want to go back to stock and keep root access, then follow this guide to the letter (skip the custom recovery part if you want to)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426
If you want to go back to stock without root, do the same thing, but use the applicable image from http://samsung-updates.com/device/?id=SGH-I747M instead. TLS is Telus, RWC is Rogers and BMC is Bell. None of these will void warranty because they are stock images. I've done this, using the rooted images, to make a backup that I forgot to make when I first flashed a custom rom and It didn't trip my flash counter. Flashing stock images, as I understand, is pretty much like doing an official update, so it won't trip your flash counter or anything like that and your warranty will be intact. Hope this helps!
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If you want to go back to stock and keep root access, then follow this guide to the letter (skip the custom recovery part if you want to)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1739426
If you want to go back to stock without root, do the same thing, but use the applicable image from http://samsung-updates.com/device/?id=SGH-I747M instead. TLS is Telus, RWC is Rogers and BMC is Bell. None of these will void warranty because they are stock images. I've done this, using the rooted images, to make a backup that I forgot to make when I first flashed a custom rom and It didn't trip my flash counter. Flashing stock images, as I understand, is pretty much like doing an official update, so it won't trip your flash counter or anything like that and your warranty will be intact. Hope this helps!
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You gave me some good info. I flashed my phone with odin using a stock image. However, I rooted my phone and it told me to use a insecure image. So to be rooted you cant use the offical stock rom? is this correct?
rayoubi said:
You gave me some good info. I flashed my phone with odin using a stock image. However, I rooted my phone and it told me to use a insecure image. So to be rooted you cant use the offical stock rom? is this correct?
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Even if you load your default stock provider ROM with Odin, you can still re-flash recovery and then flash SuperSU or Superuser (whatever app you prefer) and it will show your on a custom binary, but your OS is still stock + root. It won't affect the operation of the stock rom to my knowledge. Anytime I ever run into an issue, I just take my Telus Stock tarball and flash it with Odin, then I'm completely stock, including the bootloader and recovery app. Once I'm ready to start loading ROMs again, just flash the CWM recovery, it goes to custom, but your free to do whatever.
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Even if you load your default stock provider ROM with Odin, you can still re-flash recovery and then flash SuperSU or Superuser (whatever app you prefer) and it will show your on a custom binary, but your OS is still stock + root. It won't affect the operation of the stock rom to my knowledge. Anytime I ever run into an issue, I just take my Telus Stock tarball and flash it with Odin, then I'm completely stock, including the bootloader and recovery app. Once I'm ready to start loading ROMs again, just flash the CWM recovery, it goes to custom, but your free to do whatever.
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I was using the toolkit and it made me choose an insecure rom to give me root, busybox, and CWR. if I can just get the stock rom that came with my provider and have it rooted, I rather do that. I mean its not a big deal I guess if im using insecure rom, but I want to know why its called insecure rom. I want to know if there is a difference.
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I was using the toolkit and it made me choose an insecure rom to give me root, busybox, and CWR. if I can just get the stock rom that came with my provider and have it rooted, I rather do that. I mean its not a big deal I guess if im using insecure rom, but I want to know why its called insecure rom. I want to know if there is a difference.
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As I understand it, an insecure rom simply means it can grant root access. So if your rom is not insecure, and an application asks for superuser (root) access, it won't be able to get it. If you're insecure, and you have an app to manage superuser access (Superuser, SuperSU) then it can be allowed/granted as you like. As someone else said, if you're using the rooted rom, and you have an issue that you think might need warranty work, simply flash your unrooted stock rom and bring it in. The only problem would be if you had a problem that prevented you from flashing, but even then, if it was that bad, it's probably beyond warranty issues anyway. Again, hope this helps out, cheers.
I hate starting new threads cause, well, everyone else hates it lol.
But my hand is forced. I want the multi-window feature on my phone and like the impatient people we are, I want it now. Well the only problem is that the only way of getting said feature is too root your phone and install a custom ROM. Which is perfectly fine, I have no quarrels with custom roms, in fact I love them, I think the developers are amazing and truly unlock the full potential of the phone when they do make custom ROMS. However, one thing I do notice is that sometimes the roms become buggy and laggy after a while. Anyway's I digress...
My true reason too create this thread is that I need help in rooting my phone as its new and I paid full price for it, the last thing I want to do is brick it. By all means I am no noob, I've been rooting all my phones. Its just that I see that there is no direct root method for the t889v, I would assume it to be similar to t889 and with an addition to flashing the t889v modem/radio.
But if there is someone out there, who could assist me in successfully doing so I will be mighty grateful to them. I would prefer it be a person who has rooted their t889v.
Did you successfully get this resolved? Just got the Canadian version of T889V note2. I'd love to control my privacy a bit more, such as feeding malicious apps a fake contact list instead of letting then steal everything
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If by direct root you mean exploit, there isn't any I'm aware of. However rooting with Odin and either a stock injected ROM (if you want to avoid tripping your counter) or Chainfire's AutoRoot, or CWM and flashing a superuser zip as usual works just fine.
MCRHAZ said:
I hate starting new threads cause, well, everyone else hates it lol.
But my hand is forced. I want the multi-window feature on my phone and like the impatient people we are, I want it now. Well the only problem is that the only way of getting said feature is too root your phone and install a custom ROM. Which is perfectly fine, I have no quarrels with custom roms, in fact I love them, I think the developers are amazing and truly unlock the full potential of the phone when they do make custom ROMS. However, one thing I do notice is that sometimes the roms become buggy and laggy after a while. Anyway's I digress...
My true reason too create this thread is that I need help in rooting my phone as its new and I paid full price for it, the last thing I want to do is brick it. By all means I am no noob, I've been rooting all my phones. Its just that I see that there is no direct root method for the t889v, I would assume it to be similar to t889 and with an addition to flashing the t889v modem/radio.
But if there is someone out there, who could assist me in successfully doing so I will be mighty grateful to them. I would prefer it be a person who has rooted their t889v.
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Hey i messed up my wind note flashed the t889v modem and it screwed it up, is it possible you can link me with a nandroid backup of your phone,
Thanks in advance
How to root Windmobile T889v on Android 4.3
Darkshado said:
If by direct root you mean exploit, there isn't any I'm aware of. However rooting with Odin and either a stock injected ROM (if you want to avoid tripping your counter) or Chainfire's AutoRoot, or CWM and flashing a superuser zip as usual works just fine.
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Anyway confirmed step by step to root T889v on 4.3? The firmware ends in MK4, if that matters. Thanks for any help in advance.
subaron said:
Anyway confirmed step by step to root T889v on 4.3? The firmware ends in MK4, if that matters. Thanks for any help in advance.
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Will CF-Autoroot work with the T889v?
I don't know if CF-Autoroot will work on 4.3, but since you're going to trip the KNOX e-fuse anyway, you might as well:
Get Odin3 3.09 (the latest available version AFAIK)
Download the latest SuperSU zip update file and put it on your SD card
Flash the latest t0tle Odin flashable image. (Other HSPA t0lte variants like t0lteatt and t0ltetmo should also work)
Or, if you've got a tar binary (like Cygwin's if you're on Windows) available on your computer, the latest Clockworkmod image, which you'll rename to recovery.img and put in a tar file with the command: tar -H ustar -cf clockworkmod.tar recovery.img
Reboot to recovery
Backup your current ROM and data, just in case.
Install the SuperSU zip.
Reboot.
The stock, unmodified ROM might throw error messages about KNOX having been tripped. I haven't touched the 4.3 bootloaders because I haven't needed them yet. I'll leave figuring how to deal with those up to you, there's a few threads on that topic.
I did root my T889v(updated WindMobile stock ROM 4.3+TMobile radio) using CF-Autoroot. Downloaded the one for N7100(the one I searched on web for T889 actually doesn't work, this N7100 one from CF-Autoroot official web site worked without problem) and rooted. Then went to market to install SuperU, then it asked whether to disable Knox, I clicked yes and root was done.
The Knox counter is tripped anyway, but I don't care.
Dont work for me ...
cr2069 said:
I did root my T889v(updated WindMobile stock ROM 4.3+TMobile radio) using CF-Autoroot. Downloaded the one for N7100(the one I searched on web for T889 actually doesn't work, this N7100 one from CF-Autoroot official web site worked without problem) and rooted. Then went to market to install SuperU, then it asked whether to disable Knox, I clicked yes and root was done.
The Knox counter is tripped anyway, but I don't care.
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I tried with to root with odin 3.09 and cf-auto-root (sgh-t889) & (gt-n7100) and bolth dont work... My phone model is (sgh-t889v) canadian . Can help me ?
So I'm by no means super knowledgable with this stuff but I've rooted a few phones, played around with CM on my old evo but for the most part I enjoy rooted stock.
I have Galaxy S3 Sprint 4.3 updated OTA from a rooted (4.1.2). When I took the OTA I lost root, no big deal I used Odin and flashed the CF auto root, it said it removed knox and I had root back. Cool!
In short 4.3 sucked, wanted to downgrade back so things like TrevE mod would work again and it wouldn't be so buggy. I tried to use odin to flash "KIES_HOME_L710VPBMD4_L710SPRBMD4_1130792_REV03_user_low_ship.tar.md5" but it gave me the "Use Kies Recovery and error occured" message.
So I then used odin and flashed TWRP and my phone booted.
I'm back on 4.3 rooted.
I've tried picking through the forums and interwebz for answers but I get mixed messages and info on international versions and what not.
I'm tired of trying to figure it out and really could use some help downgrading back to 4.1.2
Thanks,
Brandon
mentorkyrom said:
So I'm by no means super knowledgable with this stuff but I've rooted a few phones, played around with CM on my old evo but for the most part I enjoy rooted stock.
I have Galaxy S3 Sprint 4.3 updated OTA from a rooted (4.1.2). When I took the OTA I lost root, no big deal I used Odin and flashed the CF auto root, it said it removed knox and I had root back. Cool!
In short 4.3 sucked, wanted to downgrade back so things like TrevE mod would work again and it wouldn't be so buggy. I tried to use odin to flash "KIES_HOME_L710VPBMD4_L710SPRBMD4_1130792_REV03_user_low_ship.tar.md5" but it gave me the "Use Kies Recovery and error occured" message.
So I then used odin and flashed TWRP and my phone booted.
I'm back on 4.3 rooted.
I've tried picking through the forums and interwebz for answers but I get mixed messages and info on international versions and what not.
I'm tired of trying to figure it out and really could use some help downgrading back to 4.1.2
Thanks,
Brandon
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The 4.3 OTA installed a locked bootloader, which will prevent you from ODIN'ing back to a previous version. you can flash any ROM you would like from recovery, you CANNOT downgrade the bootloader. As of right now, if you have knox, you are stuck with it.
You are extremely lucky that you didn't brick your phone by using odin to flash a non-4.3 tar. I wouldnt try again.
My advice is, remain rooted with a custom recovery, and find a ROM to your liking, and flash that.
I have also heard that we cannot flash custom kernels on the knox (MK3) bootloader as well, but I havent verified that.
eletendre84 said:
The 4.3 OTA installed a locked bootloader, which will prevent you from ODIN'ing back to a previous version. you can flash any ROM you would like from recovery, you CANNOT downgrade the bootloader. As of right now, if you have knox, you are stuck with it.
You are extremely lucky that you didn't brick your phone by using odin to flash a non-4.3 tar. I wouldnt try again.
My advice is, remain rooted with a custom recovery, and find a ROM to your liking, and flash that.
I have also heard that we cannot flash custom kernels on the knox (MK3) bootloader as well, but I havent verified that.
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Thank you for the response. Is CyanogenMod an option then? If I go to CM could I flash back a stock 4.3 rom in the future?
As an added bonus question does CM allow wifi tethering?
Again thank you for the response.
mentorkyrom said:
Thank you for the response. Is CyanogenMod an option then? If I go to CM could I flash back a stock 4.3 rom in the future?
As an added bonus question does CM allow wifi tethering?
Again thank you for the response.
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CM is certainly an option. In fact, its what i am running now. CM11 12-24. Runs great. You can always odin the stock mk3 tar and go back to stock unrooted, at any time.
in order to flash cm11 you MUST be on TWRP 2.6.3.1 or CWM 6.0.4.5 or newer or the assert check will fail.
not sure on the tethering, but im pretty sure it definitely works on cm10.2 and i think it does on 11 as well, but dont quote me on that.
eletendre84 said:
CM is certainly an option. In fact, its what i am running now. CM11 12-24. Runs great. You can always odin the stock mk3 tar and go back to stock unrooted, at any time.
in order to flash cm11 you MUST be on TWRP 2.6.3.1 or CWM 6.0.4.5 or newer or the assert check will fail.
not sure on the tethering, but im pretty sure it definitely works on cm10.2 and i think it does on 11 as well, but dont quote me on that.
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Tethering is available on CM11 just like it was on 10.2; would strongly recommend latest Philz Touch Recovery over either TWRP or CWM though. Although it is based on CWM, it has proven to be pretty much the superior recovery option for flashing any Android build number, plus it is highly customizable.
Philz Touch Recovery
this is how to downgrade
mentorkyrom said:
So I'm by no means super knowledgable with this stuff but I've rooted a few phones, played around with CM on my old evo but for the most part I enjoy rooted stock.
I have Galaxy S3 Sprint 4.3 updated OTA from a rooted (4.1.2). When I took the OTA I lost root, no big deal I used Odin and flashed the CF auto root, it said it removed knox and I had root back. Cool!
In short 4.3 sucked, wanted to downgrade back so things like TrevE mod would work again and it wouldn't be so buggy. I tried to use odin to flash "KIES_HOME_L710VPBMD4_L710SPRBMD4_1130792_REV03_user_low_ship.tar.md5" but it gave me the "Use Kies Recovery and error occured" message.
So I then used odin and flashed TWRP and my phone booted.
I'm back on 4.3 rooted.
I've tried picking through the forums and interwebz for answers but I get mixed messages and info on international versions and what not.
I'm tired of trying to figure it out and really could use some help downgrading back to 4.1.2
Thanks,
Brandon
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do a factory data reset then use odin auto root from computer ok...... after boot u will get a security message supersu will be unfortunately stopping this is ok..... then u will need to download the supersu.app to root of sd then manually install this will update it and now u can turn off knox and have root... then go to market and download odin mobile then flash your .tar file u want and you will be good to go 4.1.2 doesn't have knox and has a unlocked bootloader so have fun bro this method may work for other phones
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do a factory data reset then use odin auto root from computer ok...... after boot u will get a security message supersu will be unfortunately stopping this is ok..... then u will need to download the supersu.app to root of sd then manually install this will update it and now u can turn off knox and have root... then go to market and download odin mobile then flash your .tar file u want and you will be good to go 4.1.2 doesn't have knox and has a unlocked bootloader so have fun bro this method may work for other phones
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Do you realize that this thread hasn't been used in a couple of months? I would assume the author has no more need of advice based on the inactivity. Also, once Knox is installed, it is on the phone to stay. PERIOD. NO DOWNGRADING POSSIBLE VIA ODIN. Custom ROMs of any build are fine via custom recovery, but any attempt to change the bootloader will trigger Knox and brick the phone. Dangerous info to be posting here, especially since someone else who doesn't know better might try this.
alrights guys I didn't see this anywhere in ur forum so here it is, after exchanging my s4 for a replacement, I got it with 4.3 and all this Knox nonsense already installed, Now I don't really care that much for samsung's warranty but I went out and look for a way to root our latest without triggering Knox counter just head on to the thread below and check it out... it has a catch but I would say it's worth the trade off.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2565758
lol Dude, we just discussed this in another forum and this has been discussed in many forums. :silly:
Anyways... I've used this Verizon method on my buddies ATT Galaxy S4 with a locked bootloader on a 4.3 MK2 baseband. It does not trip the KNOX flag. There are no "trade-offs." It functions well. Chainfires AutoRoot works as well.
So with this method you cannot make a nandroid backup OR even restore one?
HTCMDA said:
So with this method you cannot make a nandroid backup OR even restore one?
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I have not tried to make a nandroid with a locked BL and will try tomorrow (damn sure it won't work). Best bet is to try Online Nandroid Manager. Nandroid backups require a custom recovery, it has nothing to do with having root.
Ive been out of the rooting world for a while, but with research, Ive caught up a little. However I do have a couple of questions;
With this method, can I still install a custom vanilla rom with 4.3/4.4?
If not, what are the benefits?
knipp21 said:
Ive been out of the rooting world for a while, but with research, Ive caught up a little. However I do have a couple of questions;
With this method, can I still install a custom vanilla rom with 4.3/4.4?
If not, what are the benefits?
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No, this will only root your phone (give your apps su/superuser access). You will still need to flash a custom recovery (i.e., PhilZ, TWRP, CWM) to flash roms like a custom Vanilla ROM. If you are on 4.2.2 bootloader, you can simply flash a custom recovery and flash the ROM. If you are on 4.3, you will be on the KNOX bootloader and if you flash a custom recovery to flash the ROM, you will void your KNOX warranty. If you don't care about the warranty or has expired, there is no difference.
1) Download Vanilla Rom,
2) Flash custom recovery tar (i.e., PhilZ, TWRP, CWM).
3) Go into recovery and flash rom.
4) ????
5) ??
6) Profit.
xdapowerapps said:
No, this will only root your phone (give your apps su/superuser access). You will still need to flash a custom recovery (i.e., PhilZ, TWRP, CWM) to flash roms like a custom Vanilla ROM. If you are on 4.2.2 bootloader, you can simply flash a custom recovery and flash the ROM. If you are on 4.3, you will be on the KNOX bootloader and if you flash a custom recovery to flash the ROM, you will void your KNOX warranty. If you don't care about the warranty or has expired, there is no difference.
1) Download Vanilla Rom,
2) Flash custom recovery tar (i.e., PhilZ, TWRP, CWM).
3) Go into recovery and flash rom.
4) ????
5) ??
6) Profit.
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I dont really care about the warranty, if its samsung and not t mobile.. But that isnt a def answer yet.
And ok, I guess Ill hunt the threads to see how to install the recovery. Thanks man
knipp21 said:
I dont really care about the warranty, if its samsung and not t mobile.. But that isnt a def answer yet.
And ok, I guess Ill hunt the threads to see how to install the recovery. Thanks man
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Well, even some of the T-Mobile apps now recognize if you have root and could possibly use that as proof that you voided your warranty. Tmobile/Samsung, vice versa, won't be much difference. You'd just have to find a store person that isn't knowledgeable on the subject and get a replacement. Good luck.
yea about that!
Yea I notice after I posted LOL.. a and here I was thinking I found the "holy grail" of rooting LOL!! but anyway those that Need to know just like it has been said.. this will get u rooted with out triggering Knox. this only applies to those that upgraded OTA or got their S4 already with JB 4.3 in it.. like I did after a warranty exchange... HOWEVER if u install any Custom Recovery u will trigger the counter VOIDING ur warranty FOREVER!!! LOL well maybe not but at least til someone (and who knows if someone ever will) figures Knox out. So think twice before you do anything, cause no here will take responsability for your actions...
HAPPY FLASHIN!!
Just did this to my T-Mobile SGS4. It worked just as described. The Knox counter wasn't tripped, but Custom is indicated on the Download screen (Vol Down+Home+Power).
Here's what my Download screen now says:
ODIN MODE
PRODUCT NAME: SGH-M919
CURRENT BINARY: Samsung Official
SYSTEM STATUS: Custom
KNOX KERNEL LOCK: 0x0
KNOX WARRANTY VOID: 0x0
CSB-CONFIG-LSB: 0x30
WRITE PROTECTION: Enable
eMMC BURST MODE: enabled
Thanks for the link to the other thread. :good:
Now I can use Titanium Backup, Greenify, ADB - rooted, esFile Explorer - rooted. Not needing a Custom Rom or Custom Recovery yet. And, to get it back to un-rooted, there are instructions in the other thread about that.
Rob
rlichtefeld said:
Just did this to my T-Mobile SGS4. It worked just as described. The Knox counter wasn't tripped, but Custom is indicated on the Download screen (Vol Down+Home+Power).
Here's what my Download screen now says:
ODIN MODE
PRODUCT NAME: SGH-M919
CURRENT BINARY: Samsung Official
SYSTEM STATUS: Custom
KNOX KERNEL LOCK: 0x0
KNOX WARRANTY VOID: 0x0
CSB-CONFIG-LSB: 0x30
WRITE PROTECTION: Enable
eMMC BURST MODE: enabled
Thanks for the link to the other thread. :good:
Now I can use Titanium Backup, Greenify, ADB - rooted, esFile Explorer - rooted. Not needing a Custom Rom or Custom Recovery yet. And, to get it back to un-rooted, there are instructions in the other thread about that.
Rob
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Just remember, you won't be able to make full nandroid backups (give Online Nandroid Manager a shot if you want to try).
xdapowerapps said:
Just remember, you won't be able to make full nandroid backups (give Online Nandroid Manager a shot if you want to try).
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IFAIK, until I plan to flash a custom ROM I shouldn't need a full Nandroid. I can always flash a stock ROM, and between the Google Backup/Restore and TiB, I should get almost everything back. Music/Video, etc are all on the MicroSD.
Unless I'm sadly mistaken. This is my first foray into messing with the SGS4. I was very active flashing on my HTC HD2, starting with various builds for WM6.5, and then moving on to SD builds of Android and then NativeSD with cLK, etc. I was running Tytung's KitKat until I got this phone in December. I work for a small company and the SGS4 was my Christmas Bonus. The HD2 was just too long in tooth to keep up with all the advances in Android. But, since you could flash everything - radios, bootloaders, recoveries, builds, etc., I could change out/update my version of Android almost daily.
Rob
rlichtefeld said:
IFAIK, until I plan to flash a custom ROM I shouldn't need a full Nandroid. I can always flash a stock ROM, and between the Google Backup/Restore and TiB, I should get almost everything back. Music/Video, etc are all on the MicroSD.
Unless I'm sadly mistaken. This is my first foray into messing with the SGS4. I was very active flashing on my HTC HD2, starting with various builds for WM6.5, and then moving on to SD builds of Android and then NativeSD with cLK, etc. I was running Tytung's KitKat until I got this phone in December. I work for a small company and the SGS4 was my Christmas Bonus. The HD2 was just too long in tooth to keep up with all the advances in Android. But, since you could flash everything - radios, bootloaders, recoveries, builds, etc., I could change out/update my version of Android almost daily.
Rob
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The beauty of a nandroid backup is that it takes a snapshot of your phone as it stands. Within five to eight minutes, you can restore your phone as it stood before it messed up. No re-downloading apps, changing settings, replacing system apps (i.e., installing Note 3 My Files and Gallery), etc. It saves the hassles of slow TiB/Helium restoration, especially if you have hundreds of apps. Sure, you can start fresh and manually restore things, but having it done within eight minutes without lifting a finger is extremely nice to have in your arsenal. Has come in handy several times for me since I test ROMs very frequently.
Congrats on your bonus, a very nice bonus indeed. It is a great phone. I was thinking about switching to a Note 3 or waiting for the S5 but this phone is perfect for my hands. Note 3 with an Otterbox Defender case is too big for my taste and the S5 is still a ways off. Plus, the development for this phone has far exceeded my expectations so I'm a happy camper for now.
xdapowerapps said:
No, this will only root your phone (give your apps su/superuser access). You will still need to flash a custom recovery (i.e., PhilZ, TWRP, CWM) to flash roms like a custom Vanilla ROM. If you are on 4.2.2 bootloader, you can simply flash a custom recovery and flash the ROM. If you are on 4.3, you will be on the KNOX bootloader and if you flash a custom recovery to flash the ROM, you will void your KNOX warranty. If you don't care about the warranty or has expired, there is no difference.
1) Download Vanilla Rom,
2) Flash custom recovery tar (i.e., PhilZ, TWRP, CWM).
3) Go into recovery and flash rom.
4) ????
5) ??
6) Profit.
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What method did you use to install a custom recovery? I saw this in the thread:
Important - please read
If you fail to read this, you will be taunted.
1. You can't install custom recovery and custom ROMs using this technique. See Safestrap for a way to install some custom ROMs.
2. Resetting the "Custom" and open padlock indication during boot can be worked around using the Xposed Framwork and Wanam Xposed. Get those two from the Play Store.
In Wanam, tick "Security Hacks", "Fake System Status".
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Did you use the safestrap like he suggested? I just got a replacement from t-mobile, i can't be stuck on tw lol.
root is still better then no root lol thank you for the info.
This is all great info, on rooting 4.3....
but how do you UNROOT ?
Xx_Joe_Wireless_xX said:
This is all great info, on rooting 4.3....
but how do you UNROOT ?
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Go into SuperSU, then click permanent cleanup.
You have to make sure busy box is removed as well, or system will show custom
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Is there a way to get back to the stock rom???
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KRAZYADROIDMASTER said:
Is there a way to get back to the stock rom???
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If the only mod you did was to follow the instructions in this thread, then you aren't changing the ROM, you are only giving yourself Root privileges.
To Unroot, go to the thread in the original post, and look at the second message in that thread.
Here's the link to that exact message:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48392024&postcount=2
You will be
1) removing BusyBox
2) Using SuperSU to "Full Unroot"
If you've done more than was laid out in the original message in that thread, then you will probably need to
3) Remove any Custom Recovery
4) Flash an original ROM
There are several threads discussing getting back to a Stock ROM.
Rob