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I’m a strong believer in the union between technology and fitness; one of the things that sold me on the original Pebble was its RunKeeper integration. It’s actually a little distressing how easy it is to convince me to buy a new gadget if I can somehow convince myself it’ll help me. So, logically, one of the first things I did after I acquired my Moto 360 yesterday afternoon was take it out out on this morning’s run to compare it with Pebble’s performance in that same area. Unfortunately, I can’t compare it to other Android Wear watches, as I haven’t used them.
My result? Surprisingly good! More details here:
My morning with the Moto 360 and RunKeeper
Runtastic is also nice. I prefer it because you can pause your run without being inside the app so that your watch display isn't on and saving battery
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Runtastic is also nice. I prefer it because you can pause your run without being inside the app so that your watch display isn't on and saving battery
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Oh, nice. I've used RunKeeper for years, so I'm reluctant to give up on all that data, but that's good to know.
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Runtastic is also nice. I prefer it because you can pause your run without being inside the app so that your watch display isn't on and saving battery
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Same for RunKeeper. You can swipe out of the app after starting a run and it will still keep track of the run, the display will turn off, and a card will be available that you can click on or swipe left and pause or stop the run.
I've always preferred RunKeeper because Runtastic worked like a turd on the Pebble (would usually freeze or quit syncing 12 minutes into every run).
Silellak said:
I’m a strong believer in the union between technology and fitness; one of the things that sold me on the original Pebble was its RunKeeper integration. It’s actually a little distressing how easy it is to convince me to buy a new gadget if I can somehow convince myself it’ll help me. So, logically, one of the first things I did after I acquired my Moto 360 yesterday afternoon was take it out out on this morning’s run to compare it with Pebble’s performance in that same area. Unfortunately, I can’t compare it to other Android Wear watches, as I haven’t used them.
My result? Surprisingly good! More details here:
My morning with the Moto 360 and RunKeeper
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Thanks for the review. One of the primary reasons I bought mine is for running, too. Thought of buying the Gear Fit but I ended ordering the Moto 360. How was the leather band while running? Did it absorb the sweat like most leather bands do?
With runkeeper you can't pause outside the app though. With runtastic you can
thanks for sharing and the write up.
bashdrew said:
Thanks for the review. One of the primary reasons I bought mine is for running, too. Thought of buying the Gear Fit but I ended ordering the Moto 360. How was the leather band while running? Did it absorb the sweat like most leather bands do?
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I didn't notice one way or the other, honestly. Didn't bother me, at least.
Thank you. Can't wait to use it.
On the Pebble Runkeeper will pause automatically when you stop.
Thanks much for posting this -- fitness use of the 360 hasn't been reported much. I'm hopeful that someone will put together an app which takes advantage of the HR monitor as well.
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Thanks much for posting this -- fitness use of the 360 hasn't been reported much. I'm hopeful that someone will put together an app which takes advantage of the HR monitor as well.
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No problem! I kept looking for a post like this and had no luck, so figured I'd do my own "research". I asked the RunKeeper folks on Twitter about HR integration and they said to submit it as a feature request, so I did so. Fingers crossed!
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On the Pebble Runkeeper will pause automatically when you stop.
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Same on Android Wear if you have that setting enabled in the RunKeeper app.
Nice I use runtastic with my pebble so I'm happy to see the 360 working well with running apps
Since this is apparently the only fitness 360 thread on the web (wow really?!): I noticed this morning that jawbone is going to release their app this month on Android Wear, and it'll be compatible with the 360. I was a fitbit user myself, but I've heard good things about the jawbone software (better than the hardware, really).
I have an addendum to my original post, now covering my experiences on a bike ride this morning:
http://www.writingabouttech.com/?p=604
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Can you use the Moto360 with Runtastic too? I have the Moto X and use Runtastic, would love to keep my phone at home(or just save some battery) while using Runtastic while syncin it to the Moto X's widget.
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I think this is a key question...
Can I just take my watch to workout, keep phone at home and sync back data when I am back?
Moto 360 doesn't have GPS, so you need your phone for any android wear compatible running app.
Thanks for posting your experience. I'm curious to see how the HRM on the 360 works during heavy activity. I perspire heavily when running. It even causes difficulty with my Garmin chest strap. (And I've destroyed multiple MP3 players and my first Droid RAZR MAXX)
As far as integrating the 360's HR stats into other exercise programs, I heard that there is no API to do that. In other words, Perhaps that is something that will change in future versions. I know of no reason to keep that information a secret.
Can I ask how you got Runkeeper to find Moto360.. mine vänt connect!?
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Cant connect
I just wanted to share my experience coming from a Basis B1, which I sold in anticipation of the Moto 360, to a Moto 360 and using it as a fitness/sleep tracker. I got the Basis because it was one of the few trackers with heart rate monitoring back when it came out and it also features sensors for measuring your perspiration and your skin temp, although I'm not sure what good those did. However it does not feature GPS or any smartwatch functions and connects to your phone merely to display the data the watch collects.
As far as general walking goes the Basis will collect steps similar to the Moto360 but if you're out for a walk it will also show a timer displaying how long you've been walking. It also does the same for how long you've been running and how long you've been cycling. The 360 will tell you your steps but it won't break it down like the Basis which would show me how many minutes I've been active in a day and then breakdown the activities showing me how many minutes I spent walking, how many running and how many cycling, how many calories I burnt doing each activity and my total caloric expenditure for the day. Now, I know the 360 is great with runtastic and the GPS is more accurate than a non-GPS fitness tracker but it is pretty redundant if you think about it. When I used to go for runs with my Basis I did not need to bring my phone along with me but if you run with a 360 your phone needs to be there... in which case why have the watch?
Heart rate monitoring and data collecting seems very very very basic in the 360 and android wear in general. For example here is a graph on the Basis showing activity over a day (although a small period is selected). It shows the calories burnt (it also shows how many calories per minute), it shows how much you were sweating, your skin temp, how many steps taken while walking, while running, averages, and time.
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The other thing I got it for was sleep tracking which works BEAUTIFULLY on the Basis. I mean nothing else even comes close. It's such a passive device, you go to sleep and it knows it and starts tracking it. When you wake up in the morning it will tell you how long you slept for, how much time you spent in REM sleep, deep sleep, and light sleep. It will also show you how many interruptions you had and how many tosses and turns. I did find a sleep tracker for android wear but man it SUCKS battery. The watch was close to dead after a night of sleeping. I hope they can fix that but I will still be using it and then charging up my watch after I wake up. It also shows my deep sleep but I don't know if I trust it vs the Basis. On the Basis I could see where my heart rate and skin temps would change when the sleep state changed so it used those in addition to the accelerometer. I don't think the 360 lets anything else access the HR monitor so it is probably not as accurate.
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I know this got a bit long but this is the sort of thing I was looking to find before buying my 360. Compared to a dedicated fitness tracker like the Basis (which is pretty good compared to the glorified pedometers that other fitness trackers are right now) the 360 is pretty... lackluster. The potential is there for it to be much better all it requires is better software. There needs to be better PASSIVE monitoring, I don't want to connect to a phone to record my run or do any of those things. That's what I loved the most about the Basis, I never had to touch it. It would figure out on its own what I was doing and when I was done it would just automatically sync and there was my data on the phone and on the computer.
I know the post comes off negative but I really do enjoy my Moto 360 and I am keeping it. Most of the time I really wish I still had my Basis but it's not a smartwatch and it's really ugly. I've attached a link with a picture below. Ultimately to me the fitness aspect was just as important, if not more so, than the smartwatch component. While people can argue the use of notifications on your wrist that you get on the phone in the first place, the fitness, HR monitoring, and sleep tracking are something your phone CANNOT do. These features need to be more fleshed out, I believe, because that's a sets a smartwatch apart. Ultimately the other features we have on the watch are just slaves to our phones but this would be core functionality that would give purpose to the watch.
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I pretty much agree with your assessment of the 360 in its current state. As a former FitBit Force owner (sent back due to skin rash), I was hoping to get the "best of both" from the 360... smart watch and fitness tracker.
The "smart watch" functions currently consist of changeable watch faces and basically being a "2nd screen" for the phone.
Without a phone, you can still do time, stop watch, alarm functions like a real watch, along with step counter and check your heart beat. (but initial setup needs an android phone).
The "fitness tracker" parts are still under development. I'm hopeful, that when completed, Google Fit -> https://developers.google.com/fit/ will help fill some of the voids.
The FitBit Force had a nice phone app that collected Steps taken, floors, miles, very active minutes, calories burned, as well as sleep (or movement) patterns. it synced with their servers and also our FitBit scale to track weight too. Of course with the data being on their servers, you could display the history and graphs of the history on demand (via phone app or web page).
I don't know enough about Google Fit, and the sensors in the Moto 360, or the current crop of Android Wear devices, but I'm hopeful once the API's are released, newer and better apps can make better use of the data the 360 collects.
I have high hopes for the new wear fitness app, it NEEDS to be good. You can bet the apple watch will do it and do it well.
I am seriously debating getting myself a Sony Smartwatch 3, but my usage scenario is rather peculiar/complicated, therefore i really need your help.
First of all, let me tell you that i have had many smartwatches in the past, but never so far an Android Wear device.
My main phone is an iPhone 6 Plus and it shall remain my main phone. I also have an Android device handy at most times (right now it is a Galaxy K Zoom).
XDA member @MohammadAG has already demonstrated (but not yet released) his method for sending iOS notifications over to Android Wear and i have seen in some tech sites that an official Google solution might possibly come in the future.
Let me now tell you what my main usage case will be:
I have a BT 4.0 HR strap (from Wahoo) and i want to connect it to the watch and use it to monitor my HR while jogging. My health condition requires a rather careful monitoring of my HR so that it does not deviate from a certain comfort zone while exercising.
I have already seen there is a thread where people are discussing about this. However, i would be obliged if someone could certify that the Smartwatch 3 would work with a Wahoo HR strap while recording the route via GPS. Of course i need this to be happening while the Watch is offline - not connected to a phone. Can it also play music via BT at the same time?
I could instead purchase a dedicated sports watch, but:
a) I find them ugly
b) They are too big
c) They do nothing more
What do you think? Would the Smartwatch 3 work in this usage scenario?
Would you recommend the rubber one or the metal one?
Thank you very much in advance.
As long as your android device is 4.3 or later, you should be good to go. Someone in another thread said their wahoo tickr works fine. All btle HRMs seem to be working.
https://support.google.com/androidwear/answer/6056401?hl=en
Thank you sir. Any comments about the GPS accuracy?
Mine is accurate, im using runkeeper, I run without smartphone. ...booom what a feeling
@supac Are you also using a BLE HR strap at the same time? Does Runkeeper on the watch show the HR rate on screen ?
No iPhone and no HR device on Wear watch
I've seen a big deterioration on the GPS on mine, not in accuracy but in position lock. I only use mine for running nowadays so it's powered off mostly and I never get a GPS lock the first attempt. I have to first connect it to my phone, then go near a window, try to get GPS sync, then when I do I can disconnect the phone and go out running. Too much of a hassle IMO. I think the watch needs daily communication with a phone i.e. internet to have a properly working GPS. My guess is it needs to update the GPS data frequently.
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Thank you sir. Any comments about the GPS accuracy?
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Very accurate when it's connected to my Xperia Z3. I used it with my tablet before I got the phone and can say its a little lame without the portability of a phone, as well as data usage. I love Sony, and I'll say go support them, but if you're dum- very determined on using an iPhone then why not get Apple's shinanigans. I was debating between this and a Garmin 920xt and it was basically deciding between a milkshake and a smoothie.
I'm too consider this watch to replace my motoactv. But problem is I'm using iPhone even though I owned an android tablet. [emoji4]
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My experience
I use the SW3 with a RHYTHM+ BT HRM and LG BT headphones and so run with no phone - GPS, music and heart rate tracking all through the watch. I use the Ghostracer app which has very customizable wear screens, and I have HR showing there. It also uploads seamlessly to Strava once I reconnect the phone.
The GPS accuracy is not as good as my old garmin, but it is better than my Samsung S5 in a waist strap (i.e., before I switched to just the watch)
Top tip, turn off the phone bluetooth before you start. The wear needs to be disconnected before it will work in standalone mode for the run.
Biggest downside? No audible feedback from the running apps yet. So no lap pace, time etc. But then again, the data is right on your wrist.
With my set up the watch battery dies at approx 30% an hour. So if you are running a marathon, better step it up!
Verizon has the watch for $199 - no need to use their cell service to order.
Oh - and in summary - YES, totally recommend it. Best thing since my MotoActv, and it means i can keep my phone in my pocket during the day where it belongs. Not to mention other cool apps, like one that will analyze your golf swing.
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@supac Are you also using a BLE HR strap at the same time? Does Runkeeper on the watch show the HR rate on screen ?
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No hr strap...but I read that they do work. Planning to by one
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I've seen a big deterioration on the GPS on mine, not in accuracy but in position lock. I only use mine for running nowadays so it's powered off mostly and I never get a GPS lock the first attempt. I have to first connect it to my phone, then go near a window, try to get GPS sync, then when I do I can disconnect the phone and go out running. Too much of a hassle IMO. I think the watch needs daily communication with a phone i.e. internet to have a properly working GPS. My guess is it needs to update the GPS data frequently.
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Tip: it takes about 40 seconds for a cold lock. Start your app outside, do stretches then start running.
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No hr strap...but I read that they do work. Planning to by one
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Tip: it takes about 40 seconds for a cold lock. Start your app outside, do stretches then start running.
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It used to but not any longer. The last time, before I started doing what I described, I waited for 5+ minutes without a lock. On that occasion the watch had been powered off for 2 weeks and not synced with my phone. So I went home, synced to my phone and then I got a lock within a minute. That's why I'm convinced the watch relies on some kind of A-GPS solution and needs access to the internet frequently to work properly.
I bought a Smartwatch 3 when they first came out; primarily because I wanted a simple heart rate monitor, but as I could get the Sony for not much more and perhaps get some additional functionality I thought it would be good to try. In the end though, I never did find a simple heart rate monitor application which I was satisfied with so 2 weeks ago I bought a Polar M400. This works superbly as a heart rate monitor and activity tracker, has a very good (albeit monochrome) display and also has a built-in GPS. In the 2 weeks I've has it, the battery indicator as gone down to a little over half, so I expect the battery to last 3 or 4 weeks.
Of course, the Polar doesn't give me notifications and I can't play flappy bird on it or talk to it, but Polar have announced that they will release an update which will enable it to show notifications and this is the only thing which I would in any way want anyway. Overall, this should be a good compromise for me as long as the battery life doesn't suffer too much. I'll probably sell my Sony and perhaps get another real smart watch when the battery life and apps have improved. In my opinion, Android Wear could have captured a good part of the sport watch market if it would have included a good fitness app right from the start.
-Mark.
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Verizon has the watch for $199 - no need to use their cell service to order.
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Yup. I went in there on my lunch break with my T-Mobile clothes and name tag on and they sold it to me. (No, I don't have an account with VZW! [emoji13] )
I love mine. I had the Moto 360 and G Watch R beforehand, but I really like the square, TFT screen of the Smartwatch 3.
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Yup. I went in there on my lunch break with my T-Mobile clothes and name tag on and they sold it to me. (No, I don't have an account with VZW! [emoji13] )
I love mine. I had the Moto 360 and G Watch R beforehand, but I really like the square, TFT screen of the Smartwatch 3.
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The TFT screen is amazing! So many sites would knock it for it, but it's very impressive tech. Yes, it doesn't have the best colors like other watches but the best part of it is that I can ALWAYS see the time even with having the screen off. So battery life is very good on this watch. That is perfect for a watch and why I chose the Sony SW 3.
So the current deal on the Google Store is $50 off and $50 Google play credit, so a net $150. I would rather have the metal version, bit I think this may be too good of a deal. Any clue why Google only sells the silicon version?
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So the current deal on the Google Store is $50 off and $50 Google play credit, so a net $150. I would rather have the metal version, bit I think this may be too good of a deal. Any clue why Google only sells the silicon version?
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Think its the main version available everywhere. I think the metal version is very limited.
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Think its the main version available everywhere. I think the metal version is very limited.
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Yeah, like pretty much unavailable limited here in the US, lol. I can't find anywhere but Ebay mark up trolls that have it, and most are in the Russian Federation.
It looks amazing, you should definitely buy it.
My experience is the same as guyoutred. I use it with a Mio Link BTLE HRM and Motorola S11-HD BT heaphones while running. Ghostracer is the way to go, also wish it had audible updates and autolaps. GPS was dead-on today, but yesterday (cloudy, rainy) it tracked my run but had my position move south several miles then back again. Showed me with a 2min/mile pace.
I'm using the Walkman app for music, tried the Wear Music app but it was very cumbersome. This bad boy has now turned into the perfect replacement for my old MotoActv. Too bad it took this long for a company to satisfy this demand.
Hi all,
I am trying to get familiar with some fitness apps which I can use together with my SWR50 and HTC One M8.
The more I try the more I am frustrated about the accuracy of pedometer of the Smartwatch and that there are no possibilities of customization.
My wife got a pebble Kickstarter smartwatch (with iphone 5), my daughter got Up band with HTC One M8 and as said before I use SWR50 with HTC One M8. We had the idea to use Up by Jawbone to make activity duels etc, but soon we saw that the results are increibly far away from eachother.
Finally my daughter decided to make a test:
She put all 3 wearables on her left wrist and wore them until the first device showed 10.000 steps and then we conpared the steps counted
Pebble (using Up): 10.000 steps (10.000 on Up Watchface, 9895 after sync on Up app)
Pebble (using Misfit): 9801 steps
SWR50 (using Up): 3371 steps
SWR50 (using google fit): 4954 steps
Up band (Up app): 9623 steps
Looking to this results (independently from the app used) my understanding is that the apps use the records from the pedometers and (somehow) interprete them into steps.
It seems for pebble this interpretation works reasonably well and it makes sense to compare results.
Anyway the SWR50 is way off the other devices' results. This might be due to the pedometer itself, but on the other hand this should be known by the app developers as well. Can't they take this difference into account and interprete the activities in a way that devices/results are comparable?
Does anybody know what is the difference of pebble's and SWR50's pedometers and is there any way to adjust the sensitivity of SWR50's pedometer?
Just like to increase my understanding - so just post what you know
Rgds
Andreas
I have worn a Fitbit Force for over a year, and now use a SW3. No contest. Accuracy of the Fitbit was orders of magnitude better.
However, this is a general Android Wear problem, not SW3 specific. From a few tests I made, it seems to me that most fitbands record vibrations due to feet impact, while Google Fit mostly looks for arm swings.
Hi all,
I have been attracted towards smartwatches since the time they came. However, there are many reasons that I didn't buy any till today, money, technology and android user.
Although, now I am in the position of buying and I am aiming to buy a Samsung Galaxy watch. I have watched many reviews of that watch on youtube from big streamers to small. Also read many threads on the forum about it and it seems that there were issues with the initial firmware but after updates they were solved.
I am looking to buy the BT 46mm version.
Since this is my first SW and it costs a kidney (also I am a student), I had some concerns with it.
1. Does the battery stays for at least 3days (AOD off, BT and WiFi on)?
2. Can I install third party apps on it (getting apks from google wear store and installing on the phone)?
3. Connection with non-Samsung phones (I have OnePlus 5).
Thank you very much.
Have a great day.
This watch is not powered by Android Wear so I highly doubt that you will be able to get apk to install and run. I don't even know if there is a way to sideload apk onto the phone. Getting the watch to pair to your OnePlus should not be a problem. I am still thinking of buying this watch but the lack of available apps is definitely a turn off for me too. I am coming from a Moto 360.
1. Does the battery stays for at least 3days (AOD off, BT and WiFi on)?
Yes. Even more if you do not start training apps. They drain battery like hell
2. Can I install third party apps on it (getting apks from google wear store and installing on the phone)?
No. Watch is on Tizen system
3. Connection with non-Samsung phones (I have OnePlus 5).
This should not be a problem. The original watch mail app will not work for you - it works only with Samsung phones. You can act with mail notifications though.
Take in mind that as I heard Oneplus has some problems with BT connection - but I am not shure about that
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This watch is not powered by Android Wear so I highly doubt that you will be able to get apk to install and run. I don't even know if there is a way to sideload apk onto the phone. Getting the watch to pair to your OnePlus should not be a problem. I am still thinking of buying this watch but the lack of available apps is definitely a turn off for me too. I am coming from a Moto 360.
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Thank you very much the answers it will surely help me in deciding.
I have been a watch collector of high end mechanical watches all my life, and I was always laughing at people with black screen watches on their wrists, until my best friend bought one and started to explain me what he can do with the watch. I bought my Samsung Galaxy watch 4 LTE about 2 weeks ago and I think I only removed it from my wrist to charge it. It is unbelievable how much I became addicted to the practicality of the watch. I am looking at the screen hundreds of times a day, using navigation, reading texts, emails, setting timers, using fitness apps etc. I consider myself a power user, and lowest battery I reached was 26% by the end of the work day. ( watch is on my wrist usually from 8 am to 9 pm ) On weekends, with lighter use I get around 65% by the end of the day. So I still have to charge it every night, but that does not bother me. Included Samsung wireless charger charges them very quickly, I can't tell exactly, but it is fast ( maybe under 1.5 hr? ) My brightness is always set to full 10. ( there is levels from 1 to 10 ) It is true, fitness apps take most of the battery power, and Navigation is power drain, because I keep the screen ON all the time for directions (you can keep it black while driving and it can be turned ON only before the turns )
I would also love to have more apps available, especially apps from Nest and Ring, because I am checking that frequently. The phone my watch is paired to is Note 9. I do recommend, if you can afford it, to buy the LTE version.
dont get one if you are planning to use the HR monitor, it is still useless after 2 updates.