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First, quick intro - finally making the move to android from iOS after years of procrastinating. My galaxy note 2 arrives Wednesday eve and I couldnt be more excited. I purchased the n7100, unlocked international version.
(1) To update to 4.1.2 when it arrives - is this automatic or is there something I need to do to get it right away?
(2) I saw two ways to make any app multi-window functional. The first is by modifying it in windows, the second is through an app on the phone itself. It is my understanding that for the latter, i need to be rooted. Is that the case for the windows application too?
(3) I dont want to install a custom rom just yet because i want to tinker with s-note and the s-pen apps. However, regarding rooting - is there any reason not to root?
Thanks
emanuelme said:
First, quick intro - finally making the move to android from iOS after years of procrastinating. My galaxy note 2 arrives Wednesday eve and I couldnt be more excited. I purchased the n7100, unlocked international version.
(1) To update to 4.1.2 when it arrives - is this automatic or is there something I need to do to get it right away?
(2) I saw two ways to make any app multi-window functional. The first is by modifying it in windows, the second is through an app on the phone itself. It is my understanding that for the latter, i need to be rooted. Is that the case for the windows application too?
(3) I dont want to install a custom rom just yet because i want to tinker with s-note and the s-pen apps. However, regarding rooting - is there any reason not to root?
Thanks
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Hi! Let's see if I can help:
It's automatic. Your phone should check for updates automatically every few days or week or something like that. If you plug it into your computer and open KIES it'll check for the update right away every time you plug it in. If not, and you want the OTA update, you can go to the settings and about your phone and then updates and you can check manually, but that's if you want to check manually! Otherwise, you'll get a notification eventually
To do that, you're going to need to root your device either way. Both methods require root from what I understood. You're changing a core apk in your phone.
Rooting is up to you. A lot of people root, and a lot of others don't. I believe MOST people ORIGINALLY Rooted to get more control and better functionality over their device. I'm not sure this is the case with the Note 2. A lot of people say that the Stock ROM is fantastic and you don't get a lot more by changing roms, but as for rooting you get more access over apps. I came from iOS years ago (from the iPhone 4) and I have rooted only once, because I think Samsung and Android gives you MILES more opportunities over iOS. For me, Android is "prerooted" in nature in comparison to iOS. I'd say, FIRST check out the device and see if you can do everything you want without rooting. I do everything I want without being rooted. I'm also not the epitome of a typical Android user. I have Folder Sync to sync all my folders across Dropbox and SugarSync. I have apps running in the background, and I edit pictures like a pro! I multi-task a million times better than iOS!!!! So it really depends on you. Try out Android, maybe without rooting it's enough! Maybe it isn't Then you root
Hope I've helped!
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Hi! Let's see if I can help:
It's automatic. Your phone should check for updates automatically every few days or week or something like that. If you plug it into your computer and open KIES it'll check for the update right away every time you plug it in. If not, and you want the OTA update, you can go to the settings and about your phone and then updates and you can check manually, but that's if you want to check manually! Otherwise, you'll get a notification eventually
To do that, you're going to need to root your device either way. Both methods require root from what I understood. You're changing a core apk in your phone.
Rooting is up to you. A lot of people root, and a lot of others don't. I believe MOST people ORIGINALLY Rooted to get more control and better functionality over their device. I'm not sure this is the case with the Note 2. A lot of people say that the Stock ROM is fantastic and you don't get a lot more by changing roms, but as for rooting you get more access over apps. I came from iOS years ago (from the iPhone 4) and I have rooted only once, because I think Samsung and Android gives you MILES more opportunities over iOS. For me, Android is "prerooted" in nature in comparison to iOS. I'd say, FIRST check out the device and see if you can do everything you want without rooting. I do everything I want without being rooted. I'm also not the epitome of a typical Android user. I have Folder Sync to sync all my folders across Dropbox and SugarSync. I have apps running in the background, and I edit pictures like a pro! I multi-task a million times better than iOS!!!! So it really depends on you. Try out Android, maybe without rooting it's enough! Maybe it isn't Then you root
Hope I've helped!
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Thanks and you certainly did help... There is one app in particular and im not sure it supports multiwindow (withings baby monitor) - I will know in a few days. If it doesnt, it would be great to have this app with multi-window support and I would root in order to do this... I guess we can wait and see... Thanks for your response.
emanuelme said:
Thanks and you certainly did help... There is one app in particular and im not sure it supports multiwindow (withings baby monitor) - I will know in a few days. If it doesnt, it would be great to have this app with multi-window support and I would root in order to do this... I guess we can wait and see... Thanks for your response.
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No problem. As from seeing the apps I have installed almost no apps support the multi window feature that aren't huge. Facebook twitter chrome plus a lot of the Samsung apps like gallery and video, messaging and snote Google Talk and youtube as well. For more apps: hack!
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No problem. As from seeing the apps I have installed almost no apps support the multi window feature that aren't huge. Facebook twitter chrome plus a lot of the Samsung apps like gallery and video, messaging and snote Google Talk and youtube as well. For more apps: hack!
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So do I need to hack or theroetically, if someone modified the app for me, could i then put it on the sd card and install it or would i need to be rooted first?
Great answer zkyevolved!
Other apps that work uith multi-window are popping up every week. Greader Pro now works as does lecturenotes and solid explorer.
Emanuelme. If you want the most fluid multi-tasking experience download SwipePad with the (paid) "recent apps add-on. It will blow you away and make your old iphone friends very jealous
emanuelme said:
First, quick intro - finally making the move to android from iOS after years of procrastinating. My galaxy note 2 arrives Wednesday eve and I couldnt be more excited. I purchased the n7100, unlocked international version.
(1) To update to 4.1.2 when it arrives - is this automatic or is there something I need to do to get it right away?
(2) I saw two ways to make any app multi-window functional. The first is by modifying it in windows, the second is through an app on the phone itself. It is my understanding that for the latter, i need to be rooted. Is that the case for the windows application too?
(3) I dont want to install a custom rom just yet because i want to tinker with s-note and the s-pen apps. However, regarding rooting - is there any reason not to root?
Thanks
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Hi,
I don't know if the 4.1.2 update is being rolled out yet, but if it isn't, u can just flash it from odin, no root is required, and u can still keep your warranty.
As for the multi Window, you will need to be rooted, and preferably on a deodexed rom.
If u look in the dev section, u will see a multi Window zip file u can flash, that will give the any app multi Window.
The only reason not to root would be:
The readers hub, and the learners hub, don't work if you are rooted.
Your a noob
Rooting won't void your warranty, as u can just flash a stock rom and u will be unrooted.
I am currently working on a dual boot kernel for the note 2, so then u can have the stock rom, and a second rom, installed at the same time, and choose which to boot in to when u start the rom, but i am still finishing it ect at the moment.
Cheers
Corey
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Back in the day, phones were much more restricted than they are nowadays. Now we have 2.3 ghz quad cores and excellent battery life and lots of features and all sorts of other great stuff.
As the phones get better are you less tempted to root your phone and install custom ROMs?
I know for me when I got my galaxy s3 I didn't root it for a few months. Then when I got my HTC one I was determined not to root it. It was excellent out of the box and I just didn't see a need for it. Untill I started having it not last all day so I rooted to be able to get better battery life. I won't have my note 3 for another week or so because employees aren't allowed to purchase our phones right away for some retarded reason. But just curious if I'm the only one feeling this way, that with phones becoming so much better, its slowly taking away the need for custom ROMs and such.
Personally I still have the need to root because not all phones are updated with official firmware to the latest android version, besides that I often experienced better battery life after rooting (disabling unwanted applications, removing bloatware, using greenify etc)
Yup. Lol idk if Imma root my note. But if I do, it would probably be just to change minor stuff like taking the clock out of the status bar or make it black when it's not transparent. Other than that, I see no reason to root this one as of yet.
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There are really three reasons I root
1. Remove bloat.
2. Adblock hosts file
3. xposed framework.
I think xposed framework does more to eliminate the need for custom roms more than anything.
Same for me I root for 4 reasons:
1. Remove bloat.
2. Block ads.
3. Customize status bar.
4. Better battery life.
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With the Note 3, I have zero incentive to root. I've disabled the apps I don't care about, I have plenty of space for the ones I do, the phone looks and handles like a dream, and performance is blazing. I have zero complaints thus far. I liked Touchwiz with Gingerbread, hated it with ICS, and now I like it again on 4.1.2 and 4.3. Well done, Samsung.
I have always rooted my phone in the first hour of getting them. With the note 3, I have enjoyed the stock use for a 3 days now.
I'm sure it will change and as roms start to poor in but for now I'm ok.
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Of course I still want root. There's so much you can't do without it.
1. Turn the DPI down - I bought a Note because it has a massive and detailed screen. I want to use that screen to fit more stuff on, not have giant letters that offer not much more area than a typical smartphone.
2. Ad blocking. Ads are annoying as can be, so block them system-wide with Ad Away.
3. App management - Delete those obnoxious bloatware apps, delete pointless carrier services, save space, and speed up the phone to its maximum potential
4. File management - Mount Samba shares (Windows file sharing) at defined mount points anywhere on the system, mount NTFS formatted SD card, copy things out of /data and make backups
5. Terminal/System Tools - Log in as root using 'su' and then have access to a privileged command line to run Linux commands. I use openvpn (tap bridging mode) to log into my home network over 4g and that can only be done through root.
6. Custom ROMs - The ultimate end-goal of warranty voiding, I hate TouchWiz and would rather run an AOSP-based ROM like CM or AOKP. These are pre-rooted, give me all of the above options, receive constant updates, are generally less bloated or resource-intensive, adjust to multiple DPI settings a lot better, and are community driven. Also CM has openvpn and NTFS support built in which works really well.
This is my criteria for buying the Note 3. As soon as I can do all of these, mostly the custom ROMs part, I will buy one and flash a ROM. Until then, I love the hardware but my CM10.2 Note i717 is still the winner since it runs software the Note 3 would not out of the box.
For some apps root is required and ASAP is the fastest, plus customization is key. And not great when using TW.
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Root 4 Life
No matter how advanced our phones get I'll always want, and will DEMAND, full root/admin rights to my own device. My primary reasons, in order of importance are similar to the above commenters':
1) AdAway (for system-wide adblocking, from F-Droid.org's opensource repositories, now that it's banned from Play Store)
2) TitaniumBackup (/data/data access)
3) Xposed framework, and the Music2SD module specifically, so I can store all my Google Music on the EXTERNALSD card vs internal (without resorting to symlink or bindmount hacks that sometimes fail)
4) Ability to use GooManager app to easily install TWRP (without odin), to then make full ROM backups, and install CyanogenMod, etc.
5) read/write root access to all areas of my phone via ssh, terminal app, or gui file explorer app.
6) SixAxis support (for the PS3 game controller)
There's other reasons, but those are my top 6 off the top of my head. For most people, AdAway is the Numero Uno, as was actually why my Dad asked me to root his SGS4 while I was visiting him just a week ago.
Why buy a note and use an aosp ROM that doesn't support the spen functions? Or am I missing something and aosp can support s pen?
I used to love ad away.. But ads are what make these apps free... From an app developer point of view, ad blocking isn't all that cool.
I understand the bloat removal and using greenify. Those are the only 2 reasons id see myself using root for on this phone. And maybe also to boost audio. But probably won't.
DPI levels I also agree with. Who from Samsung thought it a good idea to have such a massive screen and only 4 columns for apps? Guy should be fired.
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I used to root all my phones up to S4 which I did not. Got tired of the daily update flashing zip files. I still look at the development threads but, no interest to root. And now with the Knox thingy triggering the counter and triangle away not always working, will pass on rooting. Got to the point of just enjoying the phone and not trying to break what is not broken.
Now, if we get a Cyanogen app that will do all the rooting from beginning to end that is a possibility to root it.
Ian B
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Why buy a note and use an aosp ROM that doesn't support the spen functions? Or am I missing something and aosp can support s pen?
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On the Note i717 (AT&T Note 1) the S-Pen has been supported since the beginning in CM/AOSP ROMs. You lose the software customizations relating to the S-Pen (gestures, scrap book, S-note/memo, hover-click to screenshot, etc) but the pen itself is still functional. With third-party drawing/note taking apps the S-Pen's button and pressure sensitivity features still work as well. I don't use the software features, just want the ability to draw diagrams and take handwritten notes on occasion, plus be able to use the S-Pen to hover as a mouse on web pages and to tap precisely on remote desktop. It does all of that just fine on CM. I really hope it is the same situation for the Note 3.
I root so I can use Titanium Backup which is faster than using helium and no need for a PC. Also so I can tether.
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As for me, it all started with the Samsung Vibrant. I rooted every phone up to my Note 2. Now, since I own this BEAST of a phone Note 3, I want to wait until the devs figure out how to reset or bypass this new KNOX Samsung security flag.
This stupid KNOX thing worries me. Everywhere I read about it, it's none reversible, it's permanent. Why would Sammy need to know if we rooted our phones?
i doubt rooting will ever go away. two reasons!
1. individual customized taste
2. ciq removal
Reason to Root
I started rooting about 2 years ago when I got my Galaxy Nexus on Verizon. There were issues and updates but it seemed like nothing was ever coming when everyone else got them. I took a chance and rooted so I could install the ICS update that was to fix the issues a lot were having. after a couple of months and still having issues, I took into researching various custom roms and being a tweaker on the computer I thought it would be fun to try it on the phone. I became a regular flasher of sorts trying various roms and from time to time ask and offer help to the wonderful people on this site after seeing there were a lot of other people like me that liked to tinker with their technology. I am no master as a lot on here are but I try to offer suggestions if I have had a similar situation. I research for months when I knew my contract was about to run out and after many months of tinkering, I decided that the issue was with the network and not the phone. I recently purchased a new Note3 and thought I would try T-Mobile for a few days and see what would come of changing. So far I have been really impressed with the phone 'as is' and usually don't want to start tearing down right away (give time for the new to wear off at least) and just in case I decide to return if it doesn't work. I have read on CM that rooting is changing and there should be ways to get what we like in roms and features without the necessity/requirement for root. I would like the option to be able to dual boot so you can keep your stock rom as is and install a custom rom on the sd drive or in a VM environment like you can on a computer.
Like others have mentioned, ad removal is the main reason I always root. Can't stand them. Plus I love trying out new roms.
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Root is a must
It will always be a must to have complete control of phone for full backups of backs via Tbackup I refuse to constantly have to redo app's. Also to use our wonderful xposed modules that work awesome. Also allows my to flash and set permissons. Also allows to be rid of bloat and make full use of phone no need to be tied down. Plus if binary can never be reset then opps broke glass and use insurance if really so worried about the marker.
I've had my Note 3 for 3 days now and have not even thought of rooting it. It's exceptionally fast and I already disabled the boat I don't use. I'm fine where I am for now
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Has anyone tried to install Andromium OS yet?
It is now available on the playstore now
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andromium.os
can't test it myself right now, but interested in your experiences.
App requires 4.4.2 As Said in discription. So it might not work.
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App requires 4.4.2 As Said in discription. So it might not work.
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buberlo said:
Has anyone tried to install Andromium OS yet?
It is now available on the playstore now
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andromium.os
can't test it myself right now, but interested in your experiences.
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And I don't think our processor meets the minimum specs. Too bad. I'd love to try it.
Edit--I tried it. Side loaded it but it wouldn't show up under apps. So I pushed it to sdcard but it said parsing error (of some sort)
Only reason I tried is because for fun i installed it on my KFHD7 running CM 11 and it installed and ran relatively well. So I don't think it's the hardware that's the problem for aftv. This is a great idea btw. I only just heard about it in this thread.
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And I don't think our processor meets the minimum specs. Too bad. I'd love to try it.
Edit--I tried it. Side loaded it but it wouldn't show up under apps. So I pushed it to sdcard but it said parsing error (of some sort)
Only reason I tried is because for fun i installed it on my KFHD7 running CM 11 and it installed and ran relatively well. So I don't think it's the hardware that's the problem for aftv. This is a great idea btw. I only just heard about it in this thread.
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I played with it briefly this morning on my Galaxy Note 3. It doesn't seem like something worth using on the FTV, but for a tablet being used with a keyboard and mouse, it's very promising as a laptop alternative.
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I played with it briefly this morning on my Galaxy Note 3. It doesn't seem like something worth using on the FTV, but for a tablet being used with a keyboard and mouse, it's very promising as a laptop alternative.
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I was thinking it would be a good option since the mouse cursor was broken with the last aftv update. I assume with andromium you'd have a web browser that's easier to use plus I like the way it can be easily launched/shutdown in the status bar (at least on phones and tablets), so those that use launchers might like it more. Guess it don't matter. There's little reason for amazon to upgrade aftv but hopefully we'll have a custom ROM in the future.
Their ad used to say you only needed Android 4.2 to use it so maybe you should edit the first post to ask people if they have the old apks from earlier this year, cause older versions may work. Just a couple months ago it was working wth android 4.2. So if anyone has version 0.1.3 or older they should post the APK here. Versions 0.1.4 and 0.1.5 do not work, but older versions probably do since they only required Android 4.2. I did a google search so I know there was versions numbered 0.1.1, 0.1.2 and 0.1.3, but could not find the apk files.
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I was thinking it would be a good option since the mouse cursor was broken with the last aftv update. I assume with andromium you'd have a web browser that's easier to use plus I like the way it can be easily launched/shutdown in the status bar (at least on phones and tablets), so those that use launchers might like it more. Guess it don't matter. There's little reason for amazon to upgrade aftv but hopefully we'll have a custom ROM in the future.
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If the mouse cursor is broken, wouldn't that make this even less usable? There is no native mouse cursor for Andronium so if the system cursor isn't visible, then it would be very difficult to control It does have a browser, and certain apps will work natively with it, but not many yet, and those that are supported do not fit inside a window. Only the Andronium specific apps will be windowed. Of the several hundred apps on my phone, only seven were natively supported. The others are hit or miss. . Since the FTV doesn't have a status bar, then that functionality would be lost on the FTV, as far as turning on and off Andronium. This app has lots of promise, but don't think it's a good fit.
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If the mouse cursor is broken, wouldn't that make this even less usable? There is no native mouse cursor for Andronium so if the system cursor isn't visible, then it would be very difficult to control It does have a browser, and certain apps will work natively with it, but not many yet, and those that are supported do not fit inside a window. Only the Andronium specific apps will be windowed. Of the several hundred apps on my phone, only seven were natively supported. The others are hit or miss. . Since the FTV doesn't have a status bar, then that functionality would be lost on the FTV, as far as turning on and off Andronium. This app has lots of promise, but don't think it's a good fit.
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You obviously looked into it more than me. What I saw was a clean desktop interface that I naturally assumed would run most applicable android apps. And thinking more...yea. Since the most cursor is now invisible in most apps, it most likely wouldn't show up in andromium either. Lots of potential there, but if its purpose is to be a PC alternative it has a ways to go.
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You obviously looked into it more than me. What I saw was a clean desktop interface that I naturally assumed would run most applicable android apps. And thinking more...yea. Since the most cursor is now invisible in most apps, it most likely wouldn't show up in andromium either. Lots of potential there, but if its purpose is to be a PC alternative it has a ways to go.
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I was interested in it awhile back for my tablet for work trips. Much easier to bring along a bt keyboard and mouse to go with my tablet than both.
I'm a little late to the game here and missed rooting at 5.2.1.0, so now I seem stuck.
The last post from rbox on a recovery installer was 4th June 2016, and I couldn't find anything on that since, or any kind of downgrader.
Anyone have any news I've missed, or insider info?
What I really need is to mount CIF shares off my Synology for playing ROMs of various types. Any specific solution for that I may have missed?
Thanks bunches! :good:
MrPeach
MrPeach said:
I'm a little late to the game here and missed rooting at 5.2.1.0, so now I seem stuck.
The last post from rbox on a recovery installer was 4th June 2016, and I couldn't find anything on that since, or any kind of downgrader.
Anyone have any news I've missed, or insider info?
What I really need is to mount CIF shares off my Synology for playing ROMs of various types. Any specific solution for that I may have missed?
Thanks bunches! :good:
MrPeach
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In the same boat myself, doesnt seem to be any developmennts yet.
With all do respect as someone who has managed to root his AFTV at unbox time. What exactly IS the benefit of rooting the AFTV2? And, no this is not a rhetorical question.
One of the big hopes I've had about rooting the AFTV2 was to get Google PlayStore, and Gapps working. Well if the ever had, it seems that I too may have missed that Boat. As they do NOT seem to work under 5.2.1.1.
The only other reason why I might have wanted Root, pairing a Sixaxis Dualshock 3 Controller with my AFTV2. 'Cause I'm too cheep for an Amazon Controller. Doesn't work either, and in fact will cause the AFTV2 to crash, and reboot itself.
As for AdAway, (My prime motivation for rooting anything!), well I've yet to find a use for it. It doesn't block anything in the Fire Launcher. Not that I think it should anyway. But nothing I've ran into yet even has any in-app advertising.
Side loading Kodi never really required root, and has otherwise worked fine.
IMHO root on the AFTV2 is a tad overrated, for all you can do with it, or actually what you still can't do with it.
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With all do respect as someone who has managed to root his AFTV at unbox time. What exactly IS the benefit of rooting the AFTV2? And, no this is not a rhetorical question.
One of the big hopes I've had about rooting the AFTV2 was to get Google PlayStore, and Gapps working. Well if the ever had, it seems that I too may have missed that Boat. As they do NOT seem to work under 5.2.1.1.
The only other reason why I might have wanted Root, pairing a Sixaxis Dualshock 3 Controller with my AFTV2. 'Cause I'm too cheep for an Amazon Controller. Doesn't work either, and in fact will cause the AFTV2 to crash, and reboot itself.
As for AdAway, (My prime motivation for rooting anything!), well I've yet to find a use for it. It doesn't block anything in the Fire Launcher. Not that I think it should anyway. But nothing I've ran into yet even has any in-app advertising.
Side loading Kodi never really required root, and has otherwise worked fine.
IMHO root on the AFTV2 is a tad overrated, for all you can do with it, or actually what you still can't do with it.
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Well as noted, what I care about is simply mounting a network share. While somewhat interesting, your comment adds nothing to this particular thread.
Ichijoe said:
With all do respect as someone who has managed to root his AFTV at unbox time. What exactly IS the benefit of rooting the AFTV2? And, no this is not a rhetorical question.
One of the big hopes I've had about rooting the AFTV2 was to get Google PlayStore, and Gapps working. Well if the ever had, it seems that I too may have missed that Boat. As they do NOT seem to work under 5.2.1.1.
The only other reason why I might have wanted Root, pairing a Sixaxis Dualshock 3 Controller with my AFTV2. 'Cause I'm too cheep for an Amazon Controller. Doesn't work either, and in fact will cause the AFTV2 to crash, and reboot itself.
As for AdAway, (My prime motivation for rooting anything!), well I've yet to find a use for it. It doesn't block anything in the Fire Launcher. Not that I think it should anyway. But nothing I've ran into yet even has any in-app advertising.
Side loading Kodi never really required root, and has otherwise worked fine.
IMHO root on the AFTV2 is a tad overrated, for all you can do with it, or actually what you still can't do with it.
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I want to be able to add a usb Ethernet adapter. The fire stick 2 allows usb devices to be added natively. Ive contacted the Fire tv support team about a possible update to allow fire stick first gen to allow this without root, they said they would take it under consideration so probably no.
@MrPeach
Surly you could add a network share from inside Kodi or? I kinda fail to see the point of it outside of Kodi otherwise.
@tylercheribini
Well I could imagine why some people might want to have two Ethernet Ports. I find little use for mine while on 802.11ac. But at least this is concept I can work with.
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@MrPeach
Surly you could add a network share from inside Kodi or? I kinda fail to see the point of it outside of Kodi otherwise.
@tylercheribini
Well I could imagine why some people might want to have two Ethernet Ports. I find little use for mine while on 802.11ac. But at least this is concept I can work with.
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The Fire Stick has no ethernet port, it must be rooted in order to add one.
Sorry, missed that bit. Of course it (Firestick), doesn't.
Any news? Had an update mysteriously occur, moving it up to the latest firetv update. For some time, have been stuck without a solution. For list of what doesn't work at this date, neither the latest kingo root on pc with an a to a cable or the kingroot app work. Hoping sometime soon one of the remaining vulnerabilities is taken advantage of soon.
I've locked down my network in the meantime. Would recommend anybody that does care about root in the same boat as me do the same until a solution is found..
Sound advice... And BTW I do care about root. I just question the point of it on this Device. Which to my chagrin includes a bit more then the AFTV2... lol!
And, I concede their use cases aren't mine. And, at the moment the things I'd like to do on my AFTV2, which would otherwise require root as well. (i.e. PlayStore, and Dualshock 3 Support) have not brought me much joy even with root. So though I probably could have been less of a **** about it. I was generally interested in why others were so keen to root it. And I got my answer.
The only good news is that it's not a done deal with the FireOS, and eventuality another exploit shall be found, but you'll just have to hang on till then. Yeah sucks I know.
Lol. Yes it does suck.
I probably shouldn't have responded in that way either. It's hard to tell someone's intent based on a few lines in a thread. Didnt mean to come off bh.
Root has been good, was nice to be able to autostart the Kodi/spmc app and for me, using droidmote. that's a really great mouse keyboard app along with a ssh server and BusyBox... But then again, since I updated to the latest rooted ROM(5.2.1.1) in my other box, I've lost the autostart and some of the other bonuses. As much as I hate to do it, will have to start troubleshooting options maybe downgrade.
Til there's an option....
The Dirty Cow linux exploit was recently released (last week). This should allow root on the newer firmware versions (5.2.1.1, etc). Since it was just released last week people are working on it. This thread discusses the progress http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/security/dirty-cow-t3484879
and here is a post of someone who claims to have it working
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69299542&postcount=39
I am working on getting this going on my AFTV2 with version 5.2.1.0.
clarke.hackworth said:
The Dirty Cow linux exploit was recently released (last week). This should allow root on the newer firmware versions (5.2.1.1, etc). Since it was just released last week people are working on it. This thread discusses the progress http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/security/dirty-cow-t3484879
and here is a post of someone who claims to have it working
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=69299542&postcount=39
I am working on getting this going on my AFTV2 with version 5.2.1.0.
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Cool, looks promising, thanks.
I know that Android, is kind of a fork of Linux. But, isn't that kinda the point? Are we even sure that this 'ploit affects Android?
I'm in the same boat as you guys, i also wait for a 5.2.1.1 root
In my case i want to install the root-version of the moonlight streaming app which has native mouse support so i can finally play mouse/keyboard games on my home cinema (The non-root version is kinda buggy... scaling-problems, stuttering, no off-screen-movment, and so on..)
Ichijoe said:
With all do respect as someone who has managed to root his AFTV at unbox time. What exactly IS the benefit of rooting the AFTV2? And, no this is not a rhetorical question.
One of the big hopes I've had about rooting the AFTV2 was to get Google PlayStore, and Gapps working. Well if the ever had, it seems that I too may have missed that Boat. As they do NOT seem to work under 5.2.1.1.
The only other reason why I might have wanted Root, pairing a Sixaxis Dualshock 3 Controller with my AFTV2. 'Cause I'm too cheep for an Amazon Controller. Doesn't work either, and in fact will cause the AFTV2 to crash, and reboot itself.
As for AdAway, (My prime motivation for rooting anything!), well I've yet to find a use for it. It doesn't block anything in the Fire Launcher. Not that I think it should anyway. But nothing I've ran into yet even has any in-app advertising.
Side loading Kodi never really required root, and has otherwise worked fine.
IMHO root on the AFTV2 is a tad overrated, for all you can do with it, or actually what you still can't do with it.
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The reason I am looking for root is to be able to run the firestick on a VPN, which requires root.
Ichijoe said:
I know that Android, is kind of a fork of Linux. But, isn't that kinda the point? Are we even sure that this 'ploit affects Android?
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Yes the exploit effects Android.
FYI, the issue is a vulnerability in how the Linux kernel handles memory / files. Android is just a specific set of applications running on Linux, so it is exploitable. I have used the exploit to modify files in /system and /etc on my FireTV running 5.2.1.1.
Starting with FireTV 5.2.1.0 SELinux is enabled which is an extra layer of protection. It is good from a security stand point -- it helps protects your device from malicious apps, etc. However in our case the "attacker" is the owner of the device ... us. People are working on bypassing SELinux protections, and making progress.
See this blog for some really technical info on the current status: https://v-e-o.blogspot.com/2016/10/way-to-android-init-with-cve-2016-5195.html
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The reason I am looking for root is to be able to run the firestick on a VPN, which requires root.
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Forgive my ignorance, but what is vpn used for on the ftv aside from accessing content from different countries like Netflix and to possibly make it safer for one to stream certain content?
Well IIRC... One could set up a VPN, to log back into one Network (e.g. Network Storage), from an outside source (i.e. a Hotel Room), to push, and pull Files p, at will. But I think you managed to cover most of the "uses" of a VPN already.
Emulator ROMs
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@MrPeach
Surly you could add a network share from inside Kodi or? I kinda fail to see the point of it outside of Kodi otherwise.
@tylercheribini
Well I could imagine why some people might want to have two Ethernet Ports. I find little use for mine while on 802.11ac. But at least this is concept I can work with.
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As I implied in my original post - emulators generally do not support accessing network shares (where my extensive ROM collection is) directly. This leaves copying ROMs to the Fire TV itself to use them or copying my ROM collection to an external USB drive, neither option of which I find acceptable.
I want to access my extensive ROM collection directly via a SMB mapped folder on my Synology NAS, which research has informed me is only possible on a rooted device.
This isn't about Kodi, an extra ethernet port or any of the other stuff other people have mentioned in this thread.
Hello,
(Short version)
What is the best stock software version/update in your opinion?
Any reason not to upgrade to the latest version?
(More details)
Just got this tablet today.
I think I'll stay on stock for now.
Model - SM-T837R4
Came with version - T837R4TYU1BSCB
Update wants to update to version - T837R4TYS1BSE1
(attached current version in pics)
Thanks to anyone who helps in advanced.
Well, I think that it's always worh updating. Because of the newer security patches available. And just because you can
I'm on Android 10 and I see no differences with Android 9.
I'm on Android 10, last update, and everything runs smooth and perfectly. I agree with exnokiafan. Worth the update
Hm, I use this tablet to play Rules Of Survival and I suspect I had better performance on Pie than 10. I don't know if I can still agree with my previous answer .
Everything depends on the use you make of this tablet.
exnokiafan
InsertCoin_Pls
Thank you both for your input and giving your opinion.
I decided to update the tablet. I haven't had a chanceto use it yet, but just scrolling and opening apps looks fine and smooth
I plan tp use it mostly for watching content, and for 1 game, but rarely, so I belive it will be fine.
Thank you both again, appriciate it.
opeller said:
exnokiafan
InsertCoin_Pls
Thank you both for your input and giving your opinion.
I decided to update the tablet. I haven't had a chanceto use it yet, but just scrolling and opening apps looks fine and smooth
I plan tp use it mostly for watching content, and for 1 game, but rarely, so I belive it will be fine.
Thank you both again, appriciate it.
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Nice. I Use the tablet just like you. One game and streaming contents to Chromecast. I have updated, kind of heavily debloated it with adb and rooted it. I still have to find a way to make it pass the cst check but since I don't use any banking app or anything similar I might forget about this detail. It's warranty is gone but it will expire in 2 months. Tbh this is the only device I haven't rooted at day one xD.
I needed root to try a couple of things in order to fix the heavy lag that affects rules of survival. LoL. I hope you will enjoy your updated and safe tablet ))
exnokiafan said:
Nice. I Use the tablet just like you. One game and streaming contents to Chromecast. I have updated, kind of heavily debloated it with adb and rooted it. I still have to find a way to make it pass the cst check but since I don't use any banking app or anything similar I might forget about this detail. It's warranty is gone but it will expire in 2 months. Tbh this is the only device I haven't rooted at day one xD.
I needed root to try a couple of things in order to fix the heavy lag that affects rules of survival. LoL. I hope you will enjoy your updated and safe tablet ))
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Thank you
I hope we both can get the most out of our tablets and enjoy ourselves.