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XDA-MINI-S CAMARA

Very true!! the quality of the photos you get out of the xda mini-s is very very poor for today digital world of photos.
Talking about the software, I don't think its so much the software, its the hardware itself embeded in the phone.
If you look at the back of the phone next to the camara lens and the floodlights, its says 1.3 mega pixel. I don't think that is true.
I compared grandads photos taken with his Agfa-45 analogue camara during the secound world war to one of xda mini-s out-door photo, and I ccould not fine no diffrence, with the exception of the colour.
Above all the phone itself is pretty cool..

Post Pictures Taken By Your Sony Xperia S

Just getting this thread ready, possibly the most important thread for this device.

Maybe videos as well, but not youtube (converted), originals? Let's say, up to 50MB. All in one thread.

Great thread... really waiting for original photos and video's because what you find on the internet is rather to small or converted to another format.

Cholek3 said:
Maybe videos as well, but not youtube (converted), originals? Let's say, up to 50MB. All in one thread.
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Lol that will be fun

awf said:
Lol that will be fun
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Hey, I am not talking about private videos from people bedrooms if this is what you thinking about. Porn excluded.

Cholek3 said:
Hey, I am not talking about private videos from people bedrooms if this is what you thinking about. Porn excluded.
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Took some shots yesterday with my X-S. Photos not edited, only resized by Flickr.
Sony Xperia S Sample Shot by zaynal, on Flickr
Sony Xperia S Sample Shot by zaynal, on Flickr
Sony Xperia S Sample Shot by zaynal, on Flickr
Sony Xperia S Sample Shot by zaynal, on Flickr
Sony Xperia S Sample Shot by zaynal, on Flickr

zaynal said:
Took some shots yesterday with my X-S. Photos not edited, only resized by Flickr.
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you are a good photographer

r33p said:
you are a good photographer
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No offence to zaynal, but maybe camera is good as well. Let's call it even and say, both. All are great pictures, btw.

r33p said:
you are a good photographer
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I'm just a regular guy with a good camera phone.
Cholek3 said:
No offence to zaynal, but maybe camera is good as well. Let's call it even and say, both. All are great pictures, btw.
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Yeah, good camera. Most probably will bring this everywhere instead of my PnS camera.

zaynal said:
Took some shots yesterday with my X-S. Photos not edited, only resized by Flickr.
Sony Xperia S Sample Shot by zaynal, on Flickr
Sony Xperia S Sample Shot by zaynal, on Flickr
Sony Xperia S Sample Shot by zaynal, on Flickr
Sony Xperia S Sample Shot by zaynal, on Flickr
Sony Xperia S Sample Shot by zaynal, on Flickr
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looking sexy..nice share mate

Took some night shots just now (with no flash). Photos unedited - resized by Flickr.
Sony Xperia S Night Shot by zaynal, on Flickr
Sony Xperia S Night Shot by zaynal, on Flickr
Sony Xperia S Night Shot by zaynal, on Flickr
Sony Xperia S Night Shot by zaynal, on Flickr
Sony Xperia S Night Shot by zaynal, on Flickr
Sony Xperia S Night Shot by zaynal, on Flickr

very nice shots.. thx!

WOW! The days shots are good but the night ones really test the sensor and those ones are amazing! They would be excellent for a compact camera so from a phone they are very impressive

Loving KL....

A few macro snap shots. Non-edited photos and resized by Flickr:
Sony Xperia S Macro Shot by zaynal, on Flickr
Sony Xperia S Macro Shot by zaynal, on Flickr
Sony Xperia S Macro Shot by zaynal, on Flickr

wow, those night shots are amazing! I know lots of fairly expensive compact cameras that wouldn't be able to do this.
How exactly did you take the pictures? Did you put the camera on something so that it is very still or did you just take them free hand? Any settings you had to play with?

Free-hand. All auto settings.

those tower pictures at night are amazing for being free hand shots. could you upload the originals? i would be interested how much noise there is, because i cant see any noise at all at those resolutions, which is really good considering the light conditions.
were those pictures taken with the final retail phone?

Dude I'm so jealous right now, damn the night shots are mind taking.

HTC 10 Camera Thread

The reviews are a mixed bag so far. Here are some that are helpful. The comparison photos would give you some ideas of the capability.
DxOMark Rating 88 (same as S7 scores; but look at the individual scores). Full review now available - thanks @fernando sor)
HTC 10 photos by PRO photographers on grryo, part of power of 10 campaign
Tech Insider HTC 10 vs S7 Camera uh-oh, some issues with the 10
Android Headline Low Light Shootout: Galaxy S7 vs HTC 10 vs LG G5 vs Nexus 6p (thanks @ZooMas)
(direct link to photos from Android Headlines: flickr album with exif)
Engadget Taiwan HTC 10 vs S7 samples (thanks @One Twelve, post), HTC 10 Samples
Ars technica comparison photos from HTC 10, S7, Nexus 5X and iPhone 6S
SlashGear HTC 10 Camera Review and Samples
Techno Buffalo full resolution JPG samples
Android Central Initial HTC 10 Photo & Video Samples from this article
Android Authority First Impression album from this article
Engadget 25 sample photos
I would take these reviews with a grain of salt. For example, the ars technica impression of the photos is a bit misleading IMO. The best photo of a dark scene isn't necessarily the brightest and most colorful (the most faithful capture, not adding light or color that wasn't there, yet retaining details in the shadow, is the best for me -- in addition to noise control).
I asked HTC about the camera issues mentioned on the tech insider review such as this glare and this sharpness issues. The exposure control issues can be addressed with software later, but the glare issue may indicate that the physical lens is more glare prone (compared to the S7 in that photo). This Android Central's photo of an easy outdoor scene shows a lack of sharpness and micro contrast, which may be a combined result of the glare-prone lens and the sharpness issue identified by the tech insider review. That glare issue, however, is NOT a problem on this photo from SlashGear.
Anyway, those are a very small sampling of photos. Post your HTC 10 pics here when you have them so we can all see them!

Low light comparison between S7, 10, G5 and 6P I want to see some raw file comparisons between all of these

Definitely still issues with over exposure. Blowing up backgrounds with light. Had this issue since the M8
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The camera looks gorgeous compared to my M9....

If only the ''testers'' people who have the 10 can posts photos here it would be nice :good:

Jooosty said:
Definitely still issues with over exposure. Blowing up backgrounds with light. Had this issue since the M8
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on the M8 it was using touch focus instead of auto focus
on the 10 its auto HDR messing up sometimes its on by default but cant be turned off
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we were begging HTC to reduce sharpness and processing for years so now when they finally did it we bash them?
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if i am not mistake sharpness and contrast can be controlled in settings > cam options
i would take the image on top any day, it's more natural and real
but it clearly needs a slight +0.5 sharpness +0.5 contrast

lost_ said:
The reviews are a mixed bag so far. Here are some that are helpful. The comparison photos would give you some ideas of the capability.
DxOMark Rating 88 (same as S7; but look at the individual scores. No photos from the 10 shown yet)
HTC 10 photos by PRO photographers on grryo, part of power of 10 campaign
Tech Insider HTC 10 vs S7 Camera uh-oh, some issues with the 10
Android Headline Low Light Shootout: Galaxy S7 vs HTC 10 vs LG G5 vs Nexus 6p (thanks Zoomas)
(direct link to photos from Android Headlines: flickr album with exif)
Ars technica comparison photos from HTC 10, S7, Nexus 5X and iPhone 6S
SlashGear HTC 10 Camera Review and Samples
Techno Buffalo full resolution JPG samples
Android Central Initial HTC 10 Photo & Video Samples from this article
Engadget 25 sample photos
I would take these reviews with a grain of salt. For example, the ars technica impression of the photos is a bit misleading IMO. The best photo of a dark scene isn't necessarily the brightest and most colorful (the most faithful capture, not adding light or color that wasn't there, yet retaining details in the shadow, is the best for me -- in addition to noise control).
I asked HTC about the camera issues mentioned on the tech insider review such as this glare and this sharpness issues. The exposure control issues can be addressed with software later, but the glare issue may indicate that the physical lens is more glare prone (compared to the S7 in that photo). This Android Central's photo of an easy outdoor scene shows a lack of sharpness and micro contrast, which may be a combined result of the glare-prone lens and the sharpness issue identified by the tech insider review. That glare issue, however, is NOT a problem on this photo from SlashGear.
Anyway, those are a very small sampling of photos. Post your HTC 10 pics here when you have them so we can all see them!
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dxomark has the full review up

hamdir said:
we were begging HTC to reduce sharpness and processing for years so now when they finally did it we bash them?
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I don't see anyone on this thread bashing them (the "we" in your question). Reviewers can say what they want, many warranted, many are off-target. But it's a discussion forum, so it's fine to have a discussion about image qualities without being accused of complaining or whining or bashing. The NYC wall lacks sharpness - it is what it is. It could be that reviewer got a bad unit, or it could be other things.

fernando sor said:
dxomark has the full review up
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Thanks. Those pics help put the scores in perspective. For example, the cons include "Visible loss of sharpness in the corners compared to the center" BUT they compared the center sharpness of an object that is far out vs the corner sharpness of an object that is near the photographer - NOT on the same plane and, based on the scene distance, most likely not even within the circle of confusion. Why they did that really baffles me!

lost_ said:
Thanks. Those pics help put the scores in perspective. For example, the cons include "Visible loss of sharpness in the corners compared to the center" BUT they compared the center sharpness of an object that is far out vs the corner sharpness of an object that is near the photographer - NOT on the same plane and, based on the scene distance, most likely not even within the circle of confusion. Why they did that really baffles me!
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I feel it's warranted to do that, the hyperfocal distance on phone cameras is usually tiny, everything past couple of meters ends up being in infinity zone anyway.

Things to keep in mind auto HDR is on by default which could cause all sorts of issues if you are unaware it's happening (like blurs)

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I feel it's warranted to do that, the hyperfocal distance on phone cameras is usually tiny, everything past couple of meters ends up being in infinity zone anyway.
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I know what you mean, except that corner tree that they chose looks much closer to the photographer. Again, if they 're going to do that kind of analysis, then they'd better choose a more suitable scene or do it in a controlled manner. I just don't think that scene is valid choice for a lens center to corner sharpness comparison. Anyway, DxOMark is just one source of sample images and I can now interpret their scoring better for my purpose.

lost_ said:
I know what you mean, except that corner tree that they chose looks much closer to the photographer. Again, if they 're going to do that kind of analysis, then they'd better choose a more suitable scene or do it in a controlled manner. I just don't think that scene is valid choice for a lens center to corner sharpness comparison. Anyway, DxOMark is just one source of sample images and I can now interpret their scoring better for my purpose.
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I concur, honestly now that most phones can do RAW, they shouldbe comparing that instead of the proccesed jpg, they don't compare the jpg's for their camera tests

lost_ said:
I asked HTC about the camera issues mentioned on the tech insider review such as this glare and this sharpness issues. The exposure control issues can be addressed with software later, but the glare issue may indicate that the physical lens is more glare prone (compared to the S7 in that photo). This Android Central's photo of an easy outdoor scene shows a lack of sharpness and micro contrast, which may be a combined result of the glare-prone lens and the sharpness issue identified by the tech insider review. That glare issue, however, is NOT a problem on this photo from SlashGear.
Anyway, those are a very small sampling of photos. Post your HTC 10 pics here when you have them so we can all see them!
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I wouldnt take it too seriously about the glare, 2 things when doing stuff like this you have to do a like for like in comparison. Getting too close so the fruit was at a different focal range yes it will have different lighting and not focus the same and the sun behind the tree in one shot and passed in the other? Like WTF? Or course the lighting would show a glare funny thing is go on the S7/edge and its been mentioned numerous times they are suffering too with the same damn problem!
The comparison wasnt credible in my opinion?
HTC dropped the ball with the camera setup they should have put this lense on a duo lense setup like the M8 it would be a beast! I loved my M8 contributed quite a lot on the forums here with photos from it but my biggest gripe was why 4MP? It was commonly accepted that what the M8 needed to be on top was a larger lense to actually harvest more details in the light being captured.
Frustrating as hell! I just wish they had brought back that Duo lense we would see something that would have sunk the competition hard and fast in performance.

I am using the 10 camera app on my A9 thanks to Leedroid, in Auto you can disable HDR, control exposure but not sharpness unless there is a hidden menu
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vegetaleb said:
I am using the 10 camera app on my A9 thanks to Leedroid, in Auto you can disable HDR, control exposure but not sharpness unless there is a hidden menu
Sent from my HTC One A9 using XDA Free mobile app
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I don't think there's a sharpness menu option. The A9 began the trend of removing the sharpness with the results being images being a bit too flat (nothing wrong with that especially compared to the oversharp gs7/gs6)
However, I think HTC struck a decent balance with the 10. The issues of camera is something I've even seen on my rx1rii so it's not something that can be easily solved

Any low light comparisons with the Huawei P9?
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hamdir said:
Things to keep in mind auto HDR is on by default which could cause all sorts of issues if you are unaware it's happening (like blurs)
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Yeah, this could explain the eye brow raising shots i found on the verge. Now if there was a simple way to identify when hdr is on or not in the exifs, it will become easier. Will spare from the 'not impressed' posts.
Not how a camera, according to dxo, that is as sharp as the nexus and has as good artifacts handling as the 808 should behave.
In the meantime i went digging for better samples and engadget taiwan has done a much better job than engadget headoffice.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsky4WQQP
and a comparison with the S7
https://flic.kr/s/aHsky8MB4Q
Exifs, full rez the lot.
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hamdir said:
on the M8 it was using touch focus instead of auto focus
on the 10 its auto HDR messing up sometimes its on by default but cant be turned off
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HDR can be turned off. See 2:30 here
we were begging HTC to reduce sharpness and processing for years so now when they finally did it we bash them?
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here is something more subtle. First is s7, second is the 10
s7e2 by bittie kwan, on Flickr
m10b by bittie kwan, on Flickr
htc10vs7e by bittie kwan, on Flickr
It surprises me how high the ISO's have to be on the 10 for the bottle top. The F stop difference is 1/6.Shutter speed difference is negligible. But ISO wise its almost 2.5stops (!)
Clearly these companies are doing iso curves quite differently.The 10 isn't using any image averaging like HDR+.

I would really like to see some people pull some comparison photos from the S7 in auto, then take to raw/pro mode with the HTC 10 and set it up to match the auto settings that the S7 is doing and see if the pictures then are comparable. It would be the best way to see sensor vs. processing, I would think? Also I know very little about imaging, so I also could be completely wrong. Also I would like to just see shots set up in conditions to the same ISO, shutter speed, etc and see then what kind of differences we're looking at.

One Twelve said:
It surprises me how high the ISO's have to be on the 10 for the bottle top. The F stop difference is 1/6.Shutter speed difference is negligible. But ISO wise its almost 2.5stops (!)
Clearly these companies are doing iso curves quite differently.The 10 isn't using any image averaging like HDR+.
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Thanks for the links - they've been added to the first post.
The curtain scene is another telltale about the metering algorithm and exposure. All else equal, the S7 was ISO 200 and the 10 was ISO 500, 1.3 more stop, which ends up lighting up the dark side of the curtain but also clipping the highlights sooner without revealing additional details in the shadow. The same goes with the horse statue scene (ISO 200 vs ISO 320). It seems in dark scenes with strong highlights, the 10 exposure shifts toward higher ISO to light up the shadows, while the S7 is happy in keeping the shadows dark; some of us grow up doing minus exposure compensation in that kind of scene to keep the shadow black instead of gray, and that seems to be what S7 is doing while the 10 wants to make it gray.
The outdoor samples from the 10 are pretty good IMO. They're not overexposed and soft like the NYC samples.

S20's blurry photos under artificial lights

Is it normal that photos in a S20 are blurry or "shaky" when taken under artificial light in indoor places? Also autofocus is extremely slow and that is really an issue when I'm taking photos of my baby and pet. During the day the quality is very good. I have the Exynos version (my previous smartphone was a pixel 3xl, and pictures were far better in indoors scenarios)

General Some initial photos - Hibicus Flowers

Here are some snaps I took early this morning, so light was low. EXIF has been stripped to remove location. I will post the exif later minus location, hmmm the photos have all lost detail uploading. Have linked below to my flickr photo album for Pixel 6 Pro, Post #9

This gives me hope. I like to take close-ups of insects. I'm pretty much a point & shoot type of photographer. Were there special settings for this photo?

wekebu said:
This gives me hope. I like to take close-ups of insects. I'm pretty much a point & shoot type of photographer. Were there special settings for this photo?
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No although I do turn on raw + jpg, but these were just the JPG no special settings just adjusting the zoom, was expecting more bokeh from the zoomed image

Here are a couple of shots full res and exif minus location uploaded to flickr
Pixel 6 Pro Snaps

if it had macro mode then you could got awesome macro shot of it

Nekromantik said:
if it had macro mode then you could got awesome macro shot of it
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Yeah I remember one of my old Pixels had Macro mode, but still wasn't as good as these. Better light would have helped a lot it was 5:30am

Really stunning shots. Thank you for posting them

wekebu said:
Really stunning shots. Thank you for posting them
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Thanks will take some later with better light, and maybe some astro tonight

@wekebu If your interested I have posted a few more shots into the my flickr account. A couple more of the same flower from earlier in better light and more macro style, unfortunately it was super windy so hard to get focus exactly right. One pixel RAW manually edited photo to compare with google auto one, some basic landscape shots at various settings.
Flickr photos can be found here Pixel Pro 6 Snaps

macro type shots

danw_oz said:
@wekebu If your interested I have posted a few more shots into the my flickr account. A couple more of the same flower from earlier in better light and more macro style, unfortunately it was super windy so hard to get focus exactly right. One pixel RAW manually edited photo to compare with google auto one, some basic landscape shots at various settings.
Flickr photos can be found here Pixel Pro 6 Snaps
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Very interested, but can't get there. My internet is Ubifi and we're going through a rough 'upgrade' to the service.

wekebu said:
Very interested, but can't get there. My internet is Ubifi and we're going through a rough 'upgrade' to the service.
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Well I hope that get sorted for you soon, I feel your pain, here in Australia these sort of things drag on and are extremely annoying.
Here are a couple more different Hibicus tree.

@danw_oz - last picture is with or without digital zoom? Looks good.

Looking good, I almost can smell the flowers scent!

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@danw_oz - last picture is with or without digital zoom? Looks good.
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None taken with digital zoom, just using the optical, that staymen one was 4x, and focusing as close as I could