One of the things I was most excited about pairing my Fire TV with XBMC was the ability to have on-demand 3D movies. Last night I gave it its first run and, unfortunately, it did not go well. We started a 1080p 3D movie via XBMCtorrent. Things went smoothly for the first ten minutes or so, then a big error message appeared on the screen saying that my Fire TV was nearly full to capacity. XBMC showed that it weighed in at over 6 gigabytes. (My Fire TV has only about 3 repositories and 3 add-ons installed beyond the native Fire TV software and the XBMC software itself.)The only thing I could think of to do was to use a Delete Files command that basically set XBMC back to the drawing board, where I had to reinstall all my add-ons, reset the screen size setup, everything, but at least the error message went away. We started up a new 3D movie, and several minutes in, XBMC completely crashed.
I know the storage on a Fire TV isn't enormous. Does that mean that 3D movies aren't playable on the Fire TV?
Raymondo17 said:
One of the things I was most excited about pairing my Fire TV with XBMC was the ability to have on-demand 3D movies. Last night I gave it its first run and, unfortunately, it did not go well. We started a 1080p 3D movie via XBMCtorrent. Things went smoothly for the first ten minutes or so, then a big error message appeared on the screen saying that my Fire TV was nearly full to capacity. XBMC showed that it weighed in at over 6 gigabytes. (My Fire TV has only about 3 repositories and 3 add-ons installed beyond the native Fire TV software and the XBMC software itself.)The only thing I could think of to do was to use a Delete Files command that basically set XBMC back to the drawing board, where I had to reinstall all my add-ons, reset the screen size setup, everything, but at least the error message went away. We started up a new 3D movie, and several minutes in, XBMC completely crashed.
I know the storage on a Fire TV isn't enormous. Does that mean that 3D movies aren't playable on the Fire TV?
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It depends on your source I guess.
I have 3D Blurays I ripped to SBS MKV files using AnyDvdHD and BD-rebuilder. They play just fine so far.
But I'll admit I haven't tried playing any Torrents
Just a guess but are you using genesis with fan art enabled? Those thumbnails add up. Lots of people have complained about low memory. I'm rooted and since using advanced settings to store meta data on external drive I've had no space issues.
But, I'm not an expert, however, that doesn't make sense to me. I've watched very large 3d files on devices like atv2 with flash memory.
I don't want to steer you wrong but maybe the zero cache setting would work? I've read lots of posts on low memory and aftv but this is the first time I've heard of a file not playingon a device with apparently enough free space.
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Just a guess but are you using genesis with fan art enabled? Those thumbnails add up. Lots of people have complained about low memory. I'm rooted and since using advanced settings to store meta data on external drive I've had no space issues.
But, I'm not an expert, however, that doesn't make sense to me. I've watched very large 3d files on devices like atv2 with flash memory.
I don't want to steer you wrong but maybe the zero cache setting would work? I've read lots of posts on low memory and aftv but this is the first time I've heard of a file not playingon a device with apparently enough free space.
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what advance settings did you use? xml text? and what... dill
Raymondo17 said:
One of the things I was most excited about pairing my Fire TV with XBMC was the ability to have on-demand 3D movies. Last night I gave it its first run and, unfortunately, it did not go well. We started a 1080p 3D movie via XBMCtorrent. Things went smoothly for the first ten minutes or so, then a big error message appeared on the screen saying that my Fire TV was nearly full to capacity. XBMC showed that it weighed in at over 6 gigabytes. (My Fire TV has only about 3 repositories and 3 add-ons installed beyond the native Fire TV software and the XBMC software itself.)The only thing I could think of to do was to use a Delete Files command that basically set XBMC back to the drawing board, where I had to reinstall all my add-ons, reset the screen size setup, everything, but at least the error message went away. We started up a new 3D movie, and several minutes in, XBMC completely crashed.
I know the storage on a Fire TV isn't enormous. Does that mean that 3D movies aren't playable on the Fire TV?
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i think it just means than any video you try and fully download with sbmctorrent onto the fireTV box is going to be an issue since there isnt room for big movies on the internal storage.
3d movies work fine here, SBS is most common online and is best imo. if your looking to "stream" 3d movies from online, try the addon named after the bird "phoenix" from tvaddons.ag it contains a few of the sources from the old mashup and 3 or 4 of them have a decent 3D section with 20-30 titles in each.
Thanks for the responses here.
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Just a guess but are you using genesis with fan art enabled?
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KLit75, Genesis is one of the three add-ons I'm using. I'll have to dive in and see if I can find where to disable the fan art.
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i think it just means than any video you try and fully download with sbmctorrent onto the fireTV box is going to be an issue since there isn't room for big movies on the internal storage.
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nhumber, are you saying that XBMCtorrent downloads the full movie to the Fire TV itself, while other add-ons do not, they merely stream? Is that correct? XBMCtorrent does seem to operate differently, as a download routine occurs before the movie begins. I wonder, does it discard the movie file once I've finished viewing it, or do I need to go in and manually clear it out somehow?
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3d movies work fine here, SBS is most common online and is best imo.
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I'm not familiar with SBS. Is that an XBMC add-on, or perhaps a 3D file format?
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if your looking to "stream" 3d movies from online, try the add-on named after the bird "phoenix" from tvaddons.ag it contains a few of the sources from the old mashup and 3 or 4 of them have a decent 3D section with 20-30 titles in each.
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An excellent idea. I take it that these will stream like other typical XBMC media and won't bog down the Fire TV by trying to store it locally, is that correct?
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Thanks for the responses here.
nhumber, are you saying that XBMCtorrent downloads the full movie to the Fire TV itself, while other add-ons do not, they merely stream? Is that correct? XBMCtorrent does seem to operate differently, as a download routine occurs before the movie begins. I wonder, does it discard the movie file once I've finished viewing it, or do I need to go in and manually clear it out somehow?
I'm not familiar with SBS. Is that an XBMC add-on, or perhaps a 3D file format?
An excellent idea. I take it that these will stream like other typical XBMC media and won't bog down the Fire TV by trying to store it locally, is that correct?
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from what you are saying i was just assuming that must be how xbmctorrent operates, which wont work well on the fireTV, i dont know if it saves it or if you have to delete stuff yourself, SBS means Side by Side, which is the typical 3d format you will find online. The Phoenix addon has SBS 3d movies in a few catagories and they all work well for me.
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what advance settings did you use? xml text? and what... dill
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I missed the part about xbmctorrent. Thats completely different. I use it on rpi openelec because I have a large HDD attached. I didn't know xbmctorrent even worked on aftv? But if it does it would need to be playing small files because otherwise your internal space will fill up to your limit then the movie will stop. xbmctorrent (I'm fairly certain) needs to download the entire file while it plays. Once finished it should auto delete unless you tell it not to. Like I said I never tried it on aftv but obviously it works. So if you're rooted you'd need to go into the addon settings and hopefully you can save that file to external (need to be rooted.)
The advanced settings I was thinking about is the zero cache from maintenance tool but it doesn't apply here at all now that I read the full post.
My advanced settings to store to external? Is that what you want? It goes something like this, but you need root. Copy this to a plain text and call it advancedsettings.xml
<advancedsettings>
<pathsubstitution>
<substitute>
<from>/storage/emulated/0/Android/data/org.xbmc.xbmc/files/.xbmc/userdata/Thumbnails/</from>
<to>/storage/usb/drive1/xbmcthumbnails/</to>
</substitute>
</pathsubstitution>
</advancedsettings>
Amend it if you're using kodi instead of xbmc AND if you mount with stickmount your usb storage will be in sda (don't recall the exact path but just check it by looking with es file or root explorer. I'd suggest using adbfire to mount the drive. Then you can follow those exactly if you're running xbmc. Create the folder in the external "xbmcthumbnails"
***ALSO if your metadata is completely blank after applying this that means it worked. Just delete the Textures13 in database, restart xbmc and they'll be back.
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KLit75, Genesis is one of the three add-ons I'm using. I'll have to dive in and see if I can find where to disable the fan art.
I just responded tht that advice doesn't really pertain to your problem. XBMC uses its own scrapers for all the art. Lots of people began complaining of low memory after Genesis was released. It pulls from many other places and you can access trakt collection, imdb, and other accounts then add them to xbmc library. It's an awesome addon really, but all that metadata that gets stored on your internal can amount to a lot and the AFTV don't have a lot.
But like I said xbmctorrent works by downloading the file to your aftv so the space needs to be available. Unless they're compressed to mkv, 3d files are huge. If you have say 2gb of space available and you want to watch an episode of the Walking Dead in HD (around 1 gb) you shouldn't have issues with playback. Plus, in general, everything runs smoother when your internal memory has room to spare.
If you're rooted Id advise you try those advanced settings I posted. I never get the low memory message.
I'm using spmc and stickmont, should just have to change the directory... no
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I'm using spmc and stickmont, should just have to change the directory... no
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Yes that's right. I've amended it for SPMC, xbmc, helix and when I went from sda to storage/usb/drive1
Remember to create a folder on external "xbmcthumbnails" and like I said all your icons will disappear. Just go into database, delete textures13 and restart. After I do this I usually just delete the thumbnails folder in xbmc. You should see a significant increase in free space after you check.
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Is there any solution to play 3d movies smoothly without giving error?
anandnitin25 said:
Is there any solution to play 3d movies smoothly without giving error?
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yes just press the play button.
anandnitin25 said:
Is there any solution to play 3d movies smoothly without giving error?
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Encode your 3D Movie as a HSBS MKV, put it on a network share, use SPMC to access that network share and play the movie back.
Works fine for me.
Using Plex Server/Player with my same HSBS MKV files works too.
There are tools out there to make them if you have the Bluray.
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This is good info for a newbie like me. So it looks like XBMCtorrent is not the way to go to view movies for those of us limited to the stock Amazon Fire TV hard drive.
Now the question is, how do I delete the data that has accumulated? Right now, my Amazon Fire is unusable because the Manage All Apps screen shows that XBMCtorrent has accumulated over 9GB of data, (isn't that nearly double what the Fire's hard drive is?), so I clearly need to dump that data somehow.
However, if I use the Manage All Apps screen's option to "Delete Data", as Raymondo17 points out, I lose everything I've spent time dialing in just right.
Is there a way to clear the accumulated downloaded movie data without having to start from scratch afterward? Again, I'm a total newbie as of this weekend, so "XBMCtorrent for Dummies" level answers would be greatly appreciated! ; D
PS - Does anyone have a favorite alternative to XBMCtorrent? I really appreciated the work they put into organizing the movie selections by 1080p, 720, 3D, etc..
mrwizzer said:
This is good info for a newbie like me. So it looks like XBMCtorrent is not the way to go to view movies for those of us limited to the stock Amazon Fire TV hard drive.
Now the question is, how do I delete the data that has accumulated? Right now, my Amazon Fire is unusable because the Manage All Apps screen shows that XBMCtorrent has accumulated over 9GB of data, (isn't that nearly double what the Fire's hard drive is?), so I clearly need to dump that data somehow.
However, if I use the Manage All Apps screen's option to "Delete Data", as Raymondo17 points out, I lose everything I've spent time dialing in just right.
Is there a way to clear the accumulated downloaded movie data without having to start from scratch afterward? Again, I'm a total newbie as of this weekend, so "XBMCtorrent for Dummies" level answers would be greatly appreciated! ; D
PS - Does anyone have a favorite alternative to XBMCtorrent? I really appreciated the work they put into organizing the movie selections by 1080p, 720, 3D, etc..
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I could say something about not stealing movies... but I won't. Well, I guess I just did...
rbox said:
I could say something about not stealing movies... but I won't. Well, I guess I just did...
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Heh, true.
But on the other hand, it is kind of ironic thinking about how much of a struggle it is to get my massive library of legally purchased blu-ray (23.976) to stream to my TV. That old idea that scene releases are often better created/packaged than their legal counterparts is absolutely true IMHO. This isn't to say that I support piracy; it's just something I've been thinking about the last week as I work with my AFTV.
*continues reading about installing Fedora*
ECEXCURSION said:
Heh, true.
But on the other hand, it is kind of ironic thinking about how much of a struggle it is to get my massive library of legally purchased blu-ray (23.976) to stream to my TV. That old idea that scene releases are often better created/packaged than their legal counterparts is absolutely true IMHO. This isn't to say that I support piracy; it's just something I've been thinking about the last week as I work with my AFTV.
*continues reading about installing Fedora*
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Sorry for the OT, but you have almost 24000 blurays??
Can you post a picture of the collection? Not that I don't believe you, just to know how this massive amount of BDs look
Btw, I play ripped 3d movies in SBS and OAU and both work (earlier on 13) now on helix played smooth over a nfs share from my synology nas (after I switched from wifi to gb-lan [emoji106]
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tomoffel said:
Sorry for the OT, but you have almost 24000 blurays??
Can you post a picture of the collection? Not that I don't believe you, just to know how this massive amount of BDs look
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Haha, forgot to label that. I was referring to the frame rate of uncompressed blu-ray video (23.976 fps). Stock, the Fire TV doesn't support 24hz output, so playback is choppy at times.
ECEXCURSION said:
Haha, forgot to label that. I was referring to the frame rate of uncompressed blu-ray video (23.976 fps). Stock, the Fire TV doesn't support 24hz output, so playback is choppy at times.
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Haha, okay
Yeah, that 24Hz thing is a really pita.. The only thing I don't like about that box.. And the failure cec..
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Raymondo17 said:
One of the things I was most excited about pairing my Fire TV with XBMC was the ability to have on-demand 3D movies. Last night I gave it its first run and, unfortunately, it did not go well. We started a 1080p 3D movie via XBMCtorrent. Things went smoothly for the first ten minutes or so, then a big error message appeared on the screen saying that my Fire TV was nearly full to capacity. XBMC showed that it weighed in at over 6 gigabytes. (My Fire TV has only about 3 repositories and 3 add-ons installed beyond the native Fire TV software and the XBMC software itself.)The only thing I could think of to do was to use a Delete Files command that basically set XBMC back to the drawing board, where I had to reinstall all my add-ons, reset the screen size setup, everything, but at least the error message went away. We started up a new 3D movie, and several minutes in, XBMC completely crashed.
I know the storage on a Fire TV isn't enormous. Does that mean that 3D movies aren't playable on the Fire TV?
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Real Simple... Find an Addon that does NOT use Bittorent. I mean what exactly would you think would happen if you tried to DL a 50GB 1080p 3D BR rip? On to a Device with only 8GBs of shared Storage?
Without naming names, there are a few Add-ons that offer Movies in 3D (Some also in Top Bottom), and outside of a few of these not playing correct on my tv. (The images weren't aligning correctly), these types of Movies have never caused me any problems. Outside of actually sending a proper 3D switching signal to the tv. Thankfully setting the 3D manually isn't that big of an issue.
Hello, I just received my fire stick and installed Kodi. In Kodi system info it says it only has 494mb ram so I installed CPU Z and it confirms it only has 494mb total. I know system apps and the os use ram but this thing is advertised as having 1GB of ram and i don't believe it is using a whole gig of ram. Am I missing something or is this thing falsely advertised as having more ram than it really does?
if i remember correctly half of the ram is saved for the gpu so yes it does have a gig of ram
Borincano82 said:
Am I missing something or is this thing falsely advertised as having more ram than it really does?
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I was wondering about the same thing. I have both the Fire Tv and the Fire TV Stick. On my Fire TV, Kodi say I have 2GB of RAM so I expected Kodi to say I have 1GB of RAM on my Fire TV Stick but Kodi only reported 494MB of RAM in my Fire TV stick so I am a bit puzzled.
The Fire TV aand Fire TV sticks are not really comparable, cause they do not have the same hardware. The only way to compare them are to compare the differences. The Fire TV stick has 1gb of ram so 494MB of available ram is great.
lowbee said:
I was wondering about the same thing. I have both the Fire Tv and the Fire TV Stick. On my Fire TV, Kodi say I have 2GB of RAM so I expected Kodi to say I have 1GB of RAM on my Fire TV Stick but Kodi only reported 494MB of RAM in my Fire TV stick so I am a bit puzzled.
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Interesting. That may be due to the Fire TV having a dedicated GPU, while the Fire TV Stick does not.
Your available memory means the amount of memory that you have left. In system info on Kodi go to the hardware tab, what does it say for total memory and available memory? I am guessing it will say right around 1000mb for total memory and around 500mb for available memory.
porkenhimer said:
In system info on Kodi go to the hardware tab, what does it say for total memory and available memory? I am guessing it will say right around 1000mb for total memory and around 500mb for available memory.
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And that your guess would be WRONG. See picture attached.
I too have the FireTV and FireTV Stick and Kodi & CPU Z reports almost 2 gigs on the TV. I have not known the info from those apps to be inaccurate on any other of the devices I have tried them on before. The stick default ui and Kodi's default skin is a little sluggish compared to the TV but not terribly so, that being said streaming is smooth and thats what matters.
So if the stick really does have 1GB ram but only half is really available then should it not be advertised as having 500mb?
Borincano82 said:
I too have the FireTV and FireTV Stick and Kodi & CPU Z reports almost 2 gigs on the TV. I have not known the info from those apps to be inaccurate on any other of the devices I have tried them on before. The stick default ui and Kodi's default skin is a little sluggish compared to the TV but not terribly so, that being said streaming is smooth and thats what matters.
So if the stick really does have 1GB ram but only half is really available then should it not be advertised as having 500mb?
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No because you are already using the other half. As soon as you start your device it will start using memory. It has 1gb, but running the devices uses the memory so if you were to check your memory it would tell you how much total memory it has and how much is still available to use.
I suppose you are correct, oh well as long as it works I'm happy. Thanks to all for helping clear this up for me.
I just found your answer on amazon.com. The Fire TV stick has 1GB of ram, 512MB of system memory and 512MB of video memory. XBMC/Kodi shows system memory only.
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XBMC/Kodi shows system memory only.
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Ok, then how do you explain the attached screenshoot from a FireTV non-stick running Kodi ?
Following your logic above, do I have more than 2GB of RAM in my FireTV non-stick ?
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lowbee said:
Ok, then how do you explain the attached screenshoot from a FireTV non-stick running Kodi ?
Following your logic above, do I have more than 2GB of RAM in my FireTV non-stick ?
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Its not logic, its fact. The fire TV stick has 1GB of ram and the Fire TV has 2GB of ram. The two devices are not the same except for the UI. They do not have the same hardware. Some devices use ram as shared memory, which means the system memory is shared for different opperations, the fire TV stick does not share its ram for video, instead it has seperate memory for video/graphics, called a VPU. I will help you understand. Lets say you went out and bought a PC that has 4GB of ram, well the video card may set aside 1GB of that ram to use for Video/Graphics. Then lets say you upgraded the graphics, its may have its own ram so it does not need to set aside ram anymore. Then your PC would have 4GB ram and lets say the upgraded graphics card had 1GB of ram, XBMC would still only show the 4GB of system memory. So its simple, the fire TV shares its memory for everything, but the fire TV stick does not, it instead has video memory to handle video/graphics. This thread here should make people understand that just because two devices have the same name and are made by the same company, does not make them the same. The Fire TV and Fire TV stick are two totally different devices that should never be compared unless you compare the difference, cause there is way more different about the two devices than there are the same.
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Its not logic, its fact. The fire TV stick has 1GB of ram and the Fire TV has 2GB of ram. The two devices are not the same except for the UI. They do not have the same hardware. Some devices use ram as shared memory, which means the system memory is shared for different opperations, the fire TV stick does not share its ram for video, instead it has seperate memory for video/graphics, called a VPU. I will help you understand. Lets say you went out and bought a PC that has 4GB of ram, well the video card may set aside 1GB of that ram to use for Video/Graphics. Then lets say you upgraded the graphics, its may have its own ram so it does not need to set aside ram anymore. Then your PC would have 4GB ram and lets say the upgraded graphics card had 1GB of ram, XBMC would still only show the 4GB of system memory. So its simple, the fire TV shares its memory for everything, but the fire TV stick does not, it instead has video memory to handle video/graphics. This thread here should make people understand that just because two devices have the same name and are made by the same company, does not make them the same. The Fire TV and Fire TV stick are two totally different devices that should never be compared unless you compare the difference, cause there is way more different about the two devices than there are the same.
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You have that backwards its the Fire TV BOX that has the dedicated video ram while the Fire TV STICK shares its memory with the OS and Video chip.