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There are lots of myths regarding lithium batteries.. some say you are not supposed to overcharge it (charge it only when it's running out)
Some say it doesn't matter since lithium can be recharged as much as you want and it won't deteroriate the battery's life.
Which one? Can I recharge my Touch Pro 2 every night before I go to bed and leave it until morning? or should I do it when it's running out to preserve the battery's life?
You should keep the device on A/C power as much as possible. So, it's fine to charge daily overnight. Every once in a while, you should let the battery run all the way out before recharging. What this will do is keep your battery meter reading accurate. If you don't do this, eventually, your device will "think" it has more juice than it actually does.
Check this:
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
Ah thanks
So to cut the story short, recharge it as much as you can and prevent the battery ever from being run out
Nahhh, not fully true. Somewhere else on the site of batteryuniversity it sais that completely discharging the battery will reset it's memmory. This is usefull after a lot of charges and discharges (in the beginning, I think they already did this (you may hope).
(the memmory helps the battery know where his power is storaged and how much power the battery has left. But doing this frequent speeds up the battery 's lenght of life
In my experience
Enjoy your device and charge battery when needed/desired
Use it normal
Batteries have a duration of 3-4 years aprox, no matter if you charge it every night or leave it till it´s empty...
When battery fails you buy another one and so on
Just my opinion,
My experience with the battery life on my touch pro 2 is that I will keep the phone usually docked in my cradle on my desk when working so it's always on charge. When I use my battery I wait till it's about 40-30% drained and will stick it on the cradle again.
When I'm in my bed ready to sleep, I use the normal charger and leave it on charge over night.
Still experimenting though.
ilabstudios said:
My experience with the battery life on my touch pro 2 is that I will keep the phone usually docked in my cradle on my desk when working so it's always on charge. When I use my battery I wait till it's about 40-30% drained and will stick it on the cradle again.
When I'm in my bed ready to sleep, I use the normal charger and leave it on charge over night.
Still experimenting though.
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Do you have a cradle for your Rhodium ? Where did you get it ?
Check my battery thread, it will tell you pretty much everything about li-ion batteries and taking care of them
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=519673
quarintus said:
Nahhh, not fully true. Somewhere else on the site of batteryuniversity it sais that completely discharging the battery will reset it's memmory. This is usefull after a lot of charges and discharges (in the beginning, I think they already did this (you may hope).
(the memmory helps the battery know where his power is storaged and how much power the battery has left. But doing this frequent speeds up the battery 's lenght of life
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Hmm, first of all Li-ion batteries have NO MEMORY unlike NiCd batteries. You probably refer to resetting the reading gauge - which is related to device's capability of getting accurate reading rather than battery itself. It is recommended to let the device die once a month and give it a full charge to "recalibrate" phone's battery meter (not the battery).
But you should avoid hitting 100% battery mark as well as going bellow 30% as much as possible.
from my experience as a phone shop owner and owner of many many phones i always advise my customers and friends as follows:
1st charge 10-12 hrs. allow battery to fully discharge
2nd charge at least 8 hrs
after 2nd charge you can charge and use as you want. the initial 2 charges kick start everything and starts your battery cycle on good stead
never had any complaints!
Another thing, is it bad to use your device whilst plugged in?
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Another thing, is it bad to use your device whilst plugged in?
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its ok to do that as it will run off ac power while plugged in
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Another thing, is it bad to use your device whilst plugged in?
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The battery should be as cold as possible when charged. So if you are using the phone the battery power drains and is charged at the same time. Therefore it gets warmer than without.
Best for the battery is to be charged when the device is switched off completely.
I wouldn't consider that much of a problem, because you have bought the device to use it and not to live in fear that you treat the battery right
when plugged into USB and playing a game on my TP2 I got the message the device is using too much power, and it drained the battery even though recharging via USB. No problems when using AC adapter though.
Used my XDA Orbit 2 for 2 years now, and mostly charged at free will. Battery is still fine, so no special charging rules for me...
I noticed though, that charging over USB takes quite some time while charging over AC cable is done within an hour or so. When looking at my AC it has 5 Watts of output power, while the USB only has 2.5. That would explain your issue with the battery running out even when having the USB cable plugged in.
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Do you have a cradle for your Rhodium ? Where did you get it ?
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Hi All, I have question. Which one better to charge
1. Wait until Battery level reach 15% or less
2. Charge it every we want it, example battery status in 40% because we want to travelling, we charge it until 100%
3. Charge it every morning
4. Other Tips?
Best Regards
Jauhari
Hello
You should just plug it in when ever you have the chance m8.
Li-ion and lipo batteries does not suffer from the memory effect as nicd and nimh batteries did.
The li-ion and lipo batteries will most likely die if you do a full discharge, but no worries, when your phone tells you that it's out of power, it's not fully discharged.
Your phone has at built in protection, that shuts down the phone before it uses all the power on the battery.
(Have been working with batterie for many years, as I have been flying eletric model airplanes, with all types of batteries)
There are a huge number of threads on this!
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You should just plug it in when ever you have the chance m8.
Li-ion and lipo batteries does not suffer from the memory effect as nicd and nimh batteries did.
The li-ion and lipo batteries will most likely die if you do a full discharge, but no worries, when your phone tells you that it's out of power, it's not fully discharged.
Your phone has at built in protection, that shuts down the phone before it uses all the power on the battery.
(Have been working with batterie for many years, as I have been flying eletric model airplanes, with all types of batteries)
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Thanks you for this tips... now I have more knowledge about battery.
A little bit question again.
What should I do, when I charge my HTC Desire? Keep this gadget turn on or turn off this gadget and turn on again when the charging has completed?
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I am sorry for doing the some question. I was tried to search on this forum but I can't find it... this forum search didn't good jobs
jauhari said:
Thanks you for this tips... now I have more knowledge about battery.
A little bit question again.
What should I do, when I charge my HTC Desire? Keep this gadget turn on or turn off this gadget and turn on again when the charging has completed?
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Just keep it turned on m8.
leaving it on has a disadvantage
as soon as battery is full, it discharges. at a certain point it would charge again.
you lose unneccessary charging cycles for your battery. so charge over night with turned off handset.
Not true really. The life of Li-ion batteries is mainly rated in full charge/discharge cycles between what the manufacturer recommends as the limits. Fox max life this is often a maximum of 80%SOC and min of 20%. They ship them about 40% SOC as this is where they have longest shelf life. The phone manages these limits for you so you don't need to worry. The best thing to do is to keep it topped up but let it run down enough during the day, or it reduces battery life (think laptop that gets left plugged in Vs one that gets discharged a bit per day - leaving it plugged in kills the battery).
IMHO - Use it until your next at a charger be that at 70% or 7%.
JAmes.
This thread here might be a good reference for this topic.
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Hi All, I have question. Which one better to charge
1. Wait until Battery level reach 15% or less
2. Charge it every we want it, example battery status in 40% because we want to travelling, we charge it until 100%
3. Charge it every morning
4. Other Tips?
Best Regards
Jauhari
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1. I always try to charge it 10-15%
2. Sometimes i do charge it if the battery is 40% and im worried it might not last because i go somwhere, so charge it till full and unplug
3. Most of the time i charge it over night having the phone on.
Right now, end of day 2 and battery level is at 29%, probably due to 3g turned off as got connection failed error for couple days and cant connect :<
Put my new second battery to charge last night around 9pm - turned Desire off. The green light came after midnight, but I let the charger stay on. I disconnected the cable around 9am this morning - and the phone was on!!
It looks the phone turns on automatically when its fully charged(???!!!)
The charge was 94% with the green light on. Makes me doubt if the suggested (see other threads) initial charge needs to be 12hours. :/
Is it me or does our phones charge super fast?
I drained it to 0% (let the phone die by itself while watching youtube)
Then I plugged it in at 8:05AM this morning.
At 9:05AM it was at 45%.
Pretty impressive.
(Once charged to 100%, should I wipe the battery stats and drain down to 0% again? This is how you would calibrate it correct?)
iunlock said:
Is it me or does our phones charge super fast?
I drained it to 0% (let the phone die by itself while watching youtube)
Then I plugged it in at 8:05AM this morning.
At 9:05AM it was at 45%.
Pretty impressive.
(Once charged to 100%, should I wipe the battery stats and drain down to 0% again? This is how you would calibrate it correct?)
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If you are getting incorrect stats then yes, clear the battery stats. The best way to calibrate is to drain, refill & repeat. Along the way when the battery is 100%, turn it off and charge it till it says its full again. Do this a few times when it's unplugged and you will see better life.
Speaking of fast charge.
I had 17% left at around 12:30pm today. Plugged it in while I went to lunch. Now at 2:50pm, just got notified that it's fully charged. Not bad at all.
Also, I had drained my battery when I received my phone.
How is that even possible!!!!!!!!!
It takes me 3.5 hours to charge it full!!!!!
Damn!!
I have two lines and this is my second SGSII aside to the one I already have...
I got this phone just yesterday and last night was my first full drain....today was my first full charge.
Shouldn't I go into recovery and wipe the batt stats?
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If you are getting incorrect stats then yes, clear the battery stats. The best way to calibrate is to drain, refill & repeat. Along the way when the battery is 100%, turn it off and charge it till it says its full again. Do this a few times when it's unplugged and you will see better life.
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I noticed today that the output from the charger for the SGS2 is 5V 1A and all other usb chargers ive gotten recently have an output thats closer to an actual usb port (4.5-5V 500mA) so that might have something to do with it.
My test pool on this hypothesis is quite small though so id be curious if anyone else can corroborate
I notice my battery charges much faster on an official samsung charger. Anything below 1V charges super slow. I want to try a rapid 2V charger but worried it may ruin my battery.. but on the other hand, AFAIK, some samsung car chargers charge @ 2v. They're called "rapid chargers" This is one of those times where you think AH any generic charger would do. I used to be in that camp. But I really found that the Samsung chargers are quickest. Also, they seem less likely to damage the micro usb port due to repeated use due to the fact that the Samsung cables tend to be thin and light weight as opposed to thick and bulky like some eBay cables. The thick and bulky ones feel like they'll give you enough leverage/weight if grabbed the wrong way and tear your micro usb port right off.
In the end, I love the Samsung chargers.
Hello,
So I am going to get HTC One X next week. Though, I have one question. Should I charge it first time for a long period or can I turn it on in shop, just to check if everything is okay and etc. I just want to have the maximum battery life, possible. Thanks for your answers
And hey, maybe you have any other suggestions?
I would get it home and stick it on charge until at least the light turns great. A few people are suggesting leave it for at least another 20-30 mins after this too if you can. I definitely wouldn't turn it on in the store; and HTC also recommend to fully charge before use.
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I would get it home and stick it on charge until at least the light turns great. A few people are suggesting leave it for at least another 20-30 mins after this too if you can. I definitely wouldn't turn it on in the store; and HTC also recommend to fully charge before use.
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Oh, okay Thanks. Well, I am just so scared... I don't want to get a phone with bunch of bugs
You're fine to turn it on and give it a quick test. All Lithium Ion/Polymer batteries have a partial charge for shipping as leaving it completely flat for long periods of time will damage it. Don't run the battery down though.
You should still charge it fully before using it properly however. Once the phone is fully charged then you can unplug it and use it. You don't need to leave it "charging" for 12+ hours even if the phone thinks it is fully charged.
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You're fine to turn it on and give it a quick test. All Lithium Ion/Polymer batteries have a partial charge for shipping as leaving it completely flat for long periods of time will damage it. Don't run the battery down though.
You should still charge it fully before using it properly however. Once the phone is fully charged then you can unplug it and use it. You don't need to leave it "charging" for 12+ hours even if the phone thinks it is fully charged.
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Okay, I will plug it in for the first time. But what about second, third times? Should I discharge it completely?
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Okay, I will plug it in for the first time. But what about second, third times? Should I discharge it completely?
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Its normally better for the battery to run down to a low level before re-charging if you keep topping the battery up when it gets to 50 - 60 you could end up damaging the battery.
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Its normally better for the battery to run down to a low level before re-charging if you keep topping the battery up when it gets to 50 - 60 you could end up damaging the battery.
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That is with NiCad and NiMH batteries. Lithium Ion batteries don't have the memory effect and actually prefer partial discharge cycles.
If anything odd happens then you can recalibrate the battery monitoring data by discharging it fully then charging it. In general however, you shouldn't do this every cycle.
My second phone that arrived took around 3 hours 15 mins for its charge light to turn green; I unplugged it after 4 hours and I was actually happy with the battery life on that one. My third one arrived earlier and the green light came on after 1 hour and 25 mins.
Guess they started with different battery levels? I will leave it on charge for another hour or so as I'm going in a meeting anyway; therefore when I turn it on its initial charge will have been around 3 hours long.
I believe you can't over charge the battery anyway, so once the green light it on there is a chance its probably not taking in anymore power. If thats the case leaving it plugged in once the light has changed is just irrelevant?
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I believe you can't over charge the battery anyway, so once the green light it on there is a chance its probably not taking in anymore power. If thats the case leaving it plugged in once the light has changed is just irrelevant?
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Li ion batteries are protected from overcharging, as overcharge could actually cause it to overheat and catch fire or explode. Not sure if the protection is in the OS, hardware, or battery. But basically charging will stop when the battery is 100% and saturated, then when the battery dips below 100%, it will top it off again. Not sure about the One X (still waiting for the AT&T variant), but on other HTC phones, you will sometimes actually see the battery meter drop down from full to 99% when its on the charger, then read full again.
So leaving it on the charger doesn't hurt things much (although technically partial charges are better for the battery long term). Leaving the battery charging for longer ensures the "saturation" charge is applied, which may not happen if you quick charge to full, then disconnect.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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If anything odd happens then you can recalibrate the battery monitoring data by discharging it fully then charging it.
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You shouldn't purposely discharge Li ion batteries until the phone shuts off. In theory, protections in the OS and the battery's safety circuit are supposed to prevent over-discharge. But its not fail-safe, and I've seen reports of plenty of Android phones where the battery fails to take a charge after being discharged to shutdown. If this happens to you, the only way to bring the battery back to life is with a special battery meter with boost function (which most people do not have access to) or buy a new battery (which is of course a problem on the One X, due to the non-removable battery).
Its rare, but it does happen, and there is no real benefit to running the battery until the phones shuts down. The battery meter is not remotely accurate enough to justify purposely discharging below 10 or even 15%, just for sake of calibration. Charge to full, leave it a while (30 min), then use until 15% charge or so. Repeat a couple times to fully calibrate the battery meter.
To answer the original question, powering the phone on (when you first get it) for a short time is ok. Just go through the battery meter calibration as I described as soon as possible thereafter, and it should be fine.
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Li ion batteries are protected from overcharging, as overcharge could actually cause it to overheat and catch fire or explode. Not sure if the protection is in the OS, hardware, or battery. But basically charging will stop when the battery is 100% and saturated, then when the battery dips below 100%, it will top it off again. Not sure about the One X (still waiting for the AT&T variant), but on other HTC phones, you will sometimes actually see the battery meter drop down from full to 99% when its on the charger, then read full again.
So leaving it on the charger doesn't hurt things much (although technically partial charges are better for the battery long term). Leaving the battery charging for longer ensures the "saturation" charge is applied, which may not happen if you quick charge to full, then disconnect.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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You shouldn't purposely discharge Li ion batteries until the phone shuts off. In theory, protections in the OS and the battery's safety circuit are supposed to prevent over-discharge. But its not fail-safe, and I've seen reports of plenty of Android phones where the battery fails to take a charge after being discharged to shutdown. If this happens to you, the only way to bring the battery back to life is with a special battery meter with boost function (which most people do not have access to) or buy a new battery.
Its rare, but it does happen, and there is no real benefit to running the battery until the phones shuts down. The battery meter is not remotely accurate enough to justify purposely discharging below 10 or even 15%, just for sake of calibration. Charge to full, leave it a while (30 min), then use until 15% charge or so. Repeat a couple times to fully calibrate the battery meter.
To answer the original question, powering the phone on (when you first get it) for a short time is ok. Just go through the battery meter calibration as I described as soon as possible thereafter, and it should be fine.
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Brilliant post redpoint73; appreciate you taking the time. Just got out of my meeting so my device has been on charge for around an extra hour since seeing the green light so I will be taking it off charge now to set it up etc... Total first time charge time will have been 2 hours 40 mins.
It's likely it will be down to 15%-20% before I put it on charge again tonight as will be syncing all the apps and data back on to the device as well as giving it a good bit of usage to check things out. Will no doubt then be on charge for around 7 hours through the night whilst turned off, and I will do this for the first 3/4 days (same as previous one). My last battery was good so hoping for the same again.
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You shouldn't purposely discharge Li ion batteries until the phone shuts off. In theory, protections in the OS and the battery's safety circuit are supposed to prevent over-discharge. But its not fail-safe, and I've seen reports of plenty of Android phones where the battery fails to take a charge after being discharged to shutdown. If this happens to you, the only way to bring the battery back to life is with a special battery meter with boost function (which most people do not have access to) or buy a new battery (which is of course a problem on the One X, due to the non-removable battery).
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It is pretty poor design if your phone does kill itself if you hit 0% though as that isn't too unusual of an event for a phone. I've never seen any phone which did that but I agree it could happen.
Just wondered how most people are charging there One X? Personally I always turn it off and allow it to charge until the light goes green. I've never charged it when it's still been turned on.
I've never switched off any of my android phone's whilst charging. What happens if you get a call? I also try to alternate between charging on my pc and the wall charger.
Maximus78 said:
I've never switched off any of my android phone's whilst charging. What happens if you get a call? I also try to alternate between charging on my pc and the wall charger.
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Yeah fair statement, I had thought about that. I wasn't sure if it was bad to say plug the phone in at 11pm until 7am (8 hours) charging whilst it being turned on? I assumed if it was going to be plugged in say for that long that you should turn it off.
I just plug it in - went to bed on 80% last night but fair enough I'd hardly used the phone all day (standby battery life is incredible)
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I just plug it in - went to bed on 80% last night but fair enough I'd hardly used the phone all day (standby battery life is incredible)
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So you stuck it on charge just to boost that extra 20% yeah? How come you didn't just leave it until it was low?
Should of asked if people would partially charge it or if they always ensure its fully charged.. Can't amend the poll now though.
I was thinking about trying that - might do that tonight and see how it lasts...
I plug it in to a usb cable
i charge my hox every night on the wall charger while turned on. even if it has 80% left. i am to afraid that my battery level goes under 20% (i heard that falling under that level can damage batteries).
N3m3515 said:
i charge my hox every night on the wall charger while turned on. even if it has 80% left. i am to afraid that my battery level goes under 20% (i heard that falling under that level can damage batteries).
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Where did you hear that? Mines dropped to 14% before and I then turned it off and charged it and the battery still seems fine. Wasn't aware you could damage the battery if it got too low...
I killed my battery first 2 charges - never have in the past but thought I would this time
I have always charged with the phone on, all my phones since way back having an analogue Nokia mobile and never had any battery issues. Only time I have ever switched my phones off is if I was getting on a plane or the battery got really low and didn't want it to go completely flat.
Just plug it in whenever. Modern li-poly batteries doesn't have memory and charge cycle life is based on full charges.
Part charges actually increase life due to low % cycling
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Just plug it in whenever. Modern li-poly batteries doesn't have memory and charge cycle life is based on full charges.
Part charges actually increase life due to low % cycling
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Agreed.
One thing to note is that you should never let it completely drain the battery, the phone will switch itself off once the battery reaches critical level then it needs a charge. I'd recommend charging it when it reaches 5-15%.
Also I'd never leave it charging over night it interrupts the cycle, if I have to charge it over night I set an alarm to go of after a few hours and unplug it.
i have 3 or 4 charges from different makes-and only htc charges the quickest. the worst is usb cable and car charger. but due to usage i need to charge twice a day
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Also I'd never leave it charging over night it interrupts the cycle, if I have to charge it over night I set an alarm to go of after a few hours and unplug it.
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Dude...
I always charge overnight - purely for convenience really.
Can you explain the above to me? I'm not sure what you mean by it interupts the cycle?
How does it effect the battery ?
Thanks alot
Dean
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Just plug it in whenever. Modern li-poly batteries doesn't have memory and charge cycle life is based on full charges.
Part charges actually increase life due to low % cycling
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You are 100% right most modern phone battery’s don’t have memory any more so no need to worry about it, and no need to do full discharge and recharge cycles to maintain battery health, and if they do they normally tell you in warning labels or in instruction manuals, for example I recently bought a new shaver and it tells you to do a full discharge and then leave it on charge for at least 12 hours every 3 months to maintain battery life.
N3m3515 said:
i charge my hox every night on the wall charger while turned on. even if it has 80% left. i am to afraid that my battery level goes under 20% (i heard that falling under that level can damage batteries).
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batteries have safety features built in so don't worry. What for you looks like 0-1% left - what android is showing you, might be actually 10-20% as seen internally by the battery.
Also, I have completely discharged my phone once, I simply left it at 1% and waited until it shut off. Then I charged to 100%. From then on, I charge whenever I want, phone is always ON.
Ebay 2m cable (the HTC one's length is a joke).
I use a charging cable.
My friend sticks it next to his head and uses his brainwaves to charge it.
Both seem to work fine.
Im really sorry for this post. I could not resist.
You guys are ridiculous. Just plug the phone in and it charges.
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