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Questions before buying a Note 8.0

I have two primary uses for the tablet in question:
1. I will be using it as a GPS navigation unit on my motorcycle. And it will be used to play music thru my motorcycle's speakers.
*I will most likely be using the headphone jack, or possibly some kind of usb audio out / charger (if I can find such a product) to send audio to an amplifier on the motorcycle. Or possibly via bluetooth.
2. When not on the bike I will be using it mostly for watching videos on it, via plex, netflix, memory card, etc.
Questions:
Network/ Internet connectivity:
I live in Canada B.C.
At first I only cared about a basic WiFi only note 8.0, but now I'm thinking I might be inclined to put on a network in the future, and would like to keep that door open(maybe).
1. If I import a USA note (AT&T):
a. will it work on our networks, fido/rogers/bell/etc
b. I will have to root it and flash it with a custom rom to do that right? and if that is true, will I notice any complications in the future?
Note 8.0 vs tab4 pro
I have already done a bit of research into this but thought I would ask a bit on the subject
The tab4 pro looks overall better, but also more expensive.
!. The only spec difference that I would really care about is the higher resolution screen that the tab4 has. would any one say it's a major difference in reality?
2. Are there any other notable feature that the tab4 has over the 8.0 that I might be overlooking?
Thank you for your help. any amount input is welcome.

Are you talking about the tab pro 8.4 or a tab 4 8.0? I really like the 8.4 tab pro. The screen is amazing on it but I'm not going to count my note 8.0 out either as the picture quality has been plenty satisfying to me. The tab pro has the newer faster processor with a far better gpu. Had I not gotten my note at such a cheap price I would have gotten the tab pro 8.4. That being said I think that if you find a really cheap price on the note 8.0 it's worth it. I'm not disappointed with mine at all. Far as getting an AT&T branded note you'd probably have to sim unlock the device to use it on a Canadian network.
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msd24200 said:
Are you talking about the tab pro 8.4 or a tab 4 8.0? I really like the 8.4 tab pro. The screen is amazing on it but I'm not going to count my note 8.0 out either as the picture quality has been plenty satisfying to me. The tab pro has the newer faster processor with a far better gpu. Had I not gotten my note at such a cheap price I would have gotten the tab pro 8.4. That being said I think that if you find a really cheap price on the note 8.0 it's worth it. I'm not disappointed with mine at all. Far as getting an AT&T branded note you'd probably have to sim unlock the device to use it on a Canadian network.
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I was referring to the 8.4tab and 8.0 note.
You remind me about my nature, bang for the buck, is probably the biggest factor.
I guess it will come down to which ever one I can save the most on, relatively.
I find when entering the $300+ for a tablet, I get in the zone for I might as well upgrade my laptop instead.
Thanks for the reply.

Not sure about GPS other than it works fine on Wi-Fi.
Video decode in my experience is good, it can generally play most Blu-Ray video fine via MakeMKV (Basically decrypt and remux into Matroska). YMMV with subtitles and audios and third party apps. It's not as powerful as a Snapdragon 800 but very nice (and has more codec support than my Nexus 5 when both are compared at stock).
Can't say anything about USB audio out as I've never dealt with that.
If you only care about HSPA+ service anything supporting 1900 / 850 Mhz will work and as far as I know all cellular ready models support those. I don't know about the LTE bands up there. Unlike us in the USA, Canada pretty much uses the same frequencies for all the carriers.
If you get the AT&T model you will have to get it SIM unlocked by AT&T before hand. I am not sure that can be done from Canada rather than while on AT&T's network as I've never tried it. Typically you have to stick in a SIM from another carrier and enter a code. On T-Mobile with my Galaxy S3 it took a few weeks to get the code via e-mail after supplying my data via phone; YMMV. You would want to SIM unlock before rootinng; bootloader unlock is different than SIM unlock; and custom ROM's don't SIM unlock your device.
If you want 8" and a S-Pen you have no options. Only other alternative would be an Tegra Note 7; I believe they've started making an LTE model but I'm not sure. Personally if you don't want the pen, I'd go with the Galaxy Tab 8.4 Pro because it's got a more powerful processor and a higher resolution panel. If it's all the same to you by all means save money. The Note 8 is likely at it's end of retail life pending a newer version so prices are going down (at least in the USA they have; my fiancee got hers in Alberta last month for $349 and I think they're now $329 here in Georgia).
Feature wise is probably improved MultiWindow mode and anything you like about Samsung's 4.4 tabs that isn't available on 4.1/4.2 era devices like the Note 8. I'm not sure what functionality we're getting in our 4.4 update (AFAIK 3G and Wi-Fi, not AT&T model).

Spidey01 said:
Not sure about GPS other than it works fine on Wi-Fi.
Video decode in my experience is good, it can generally play most Blu-Ray video fine via MakeMKV (Basically decrypt and remux into Matroska). YMMV with subtitles and audios and third party apps. It's not as powerful as a Snapdragon 800 but very nice (and has more codec support than my Nexus 5 when both are compared at stock).
Can't say anything about USB audio out as I've never dealt with that.
If you only care about HSPA+ service anything supporting 1900 / 850 Mhz will work and as far as I know all cellular ready models support those. I don't know about the LTE bands up there. Unlike us in the USA, Canada pretty much uses the same frequencies for all the carriers.
If you get the AT&T model you will have to get it SIM unlocked by AT&T before hand. I am not sure that can be done from Canada rather than while on AT&T's network as I've never tried it. Typically you have to stick in a SIM from another carrier and enter a code. On T-Mobile with my Galaxy S3 it took a few weeks to get the code via e-mail after supplying my data via phone; YMMV. You would want to SIM unlock before rootinng; bootloader unlock is different than SIM unlock; and custom ROM's don't SIM unlock your device.
If you want 8" and a S-Pen you have no options. Only other alternative would be an Tegra Note 7; I believe they've started making an LTE model but I'm not sure. Personally if you don't want the pen, I'd go with the Galaxy Tab 8.4 Pro because it's got a more powerful processor and a higher resolution panel. If it's all the same to you by all means save money. The Note 8 is likely at it's end of retail life pending a newer version so prices are going down (at least in the USA they have; my fiancee got hers in Alberta last month for $349 and I think they're now $329 here in Georgia).
Feature wise is probably improved MultiWindow mode and anything you like about Samsung's 4.4 tabs that isn't available on 4.1/4.2 era devices like the Note 8. I'm not sure what functionality we're getting in our 4.4 update (AFAIK 3G and Wi-Fi, not AT&T model).
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A funny thing happened to me last night.
For the longest time I was under the impression that NON-RT Windows tablets were quite expensive and quite large. Then I find out that there are 8inch full version windows tablets with decent specs and a reasonable prices.
So in short now i'm after a windows 8 tablet, the lenovo miix 2 and thinkpad 8 being my first choices.

Edwii said:
A funny thing happened to me last night.
For the longest time I was under the impression that NON-RT Windows tablets were quite expensive and quite large. Then I find out that there are 8inch full version windows tablets with decent specs and a reasonable prices.
So in short now i'm after a windows 8 tablet, the lenovo miix 2 and thinkpad 8 being my first choices.
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Venue Pro 8.0 would be my choice.

gooberdude said:
Venue Pro 8.0 would be my choice.
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I had one for a day before I returned it.
First of all it has no GPS, so right from the start it got eliminated from my options.
Secondly it's speaker is TERRIBLE, even at full volume It was barley audible in a quite room. With my Air conditioner on i couldn't even listen to a movie. I don;t know if the lenovo has better audio but can't be much worse if anything.

Wifi or wait for LTE?

I'm pretty set on getting the 10.5 S. I'm currently running an ATT LTE Note 8.0 but the lack of updates is way past annoying, especially with the input freezing bug. I like having LTE, I certainly don't want to be completely without it. I'm also still locked in a contract on the Note for another year, the good news is it only costs $10/month so its a minimal issue. So my plan at the his point is to buy the wifi only 10.5 S and keep my note 8 and basically use it as a hot spot. To purchase a hotspot would cost me $20/month so it does make sense to just keep it and use it that way. That can certainly cut down on some portability but I really only use my tablet on LTE in my truck during work so keeping the Note there for for hotspot use is no biggie. And if I do want to take a tablet with me I can always just take the Note 8. Oh, and I cannot use my phone as a hotspot because its a work phone and is locked from doing so.
I guess my point in all of this is that I dont want to enter into another LTE tablet with potential problems that will never be fixed by the cell provider and be handcuffed with a locked bootloader in the community. Atleast when you go wifi only you know Samsung is going to take care of issues and you will stay closer to the front of the line of Android development.
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kmeleon77 said:
I'm pretty set on getting the 10.5 S. I'm currently running an ATT LTE Note 8.0 but the lack of updates is way past annoying, especially with the input freezing bug. I like having LTE, I certainly don't want to be completely without it. I'm also still locked in a contract on the Note for another year, the good news is it only costs $10/month so its a minimal issue. So my plan at the his point is to buy the wifi only 10.5 S and keep my note 8 and basically use it as a hot spot. To purchase a hotspot would cost me $20/month so it does make sense to just keep it and use it that way. That can certainly cut down on some portability but I really only use my tablet on LTE in my truck during work so keeping the Note there for for hotspot use is no biggie. And if I do want to take a tablet with me I can always just take the Note 8. Oh, and I cannot use my phone as a hotspot because its a work phone and is locked from doing so.
I guess my point in all of this is that I dont want to enter into another LTE tablet with potential problems that will never be fixed by the cell provider and be handcuffed with a locked bootloader in the community. Atleast when you go wifi only you know Samsung is going to take care of issues and you will stay closer to the front of the line of Android development.
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Personally I'm just going to get the wifi version since there will be wifi at the places I mainly go to and in worst case scenario I can tether using my S4. I really don't see a need to get the LTE version and pay more monthly (unless when the devs here find a way to make calls with this and you want to make calls and stuff?)

Why not just tether it to your phone? Tethering to another android device usually doesn't count against a tethering limit.

It has tended to be the case in my Samsung tablet experience that there tends to be more options when it comes to rooting and custom ROMs with the wifi varients vs. carrier tied lte variants. A personal example: I first got an lte AT&T Note 8 due to a promotion that they had at the time. That tablet ended up getting stolen, and I replaced it with the wifi version. Looking back, while it sucked shelling out extra cash for a replacement tablet, my experience with the Note 8 was MUCH better due to the ability to easily root it and a couple of really nice custom ROMs that are immeasurably better than the stock ROM, while I don't think there even are any ROMs that can be flashed to the AT&T locked-down version. I think it's rootable, but that's a relatively recent development for a device that's been out as long as the Note 8 (I think, there's a thread on the subject but I haven't looked at it).
Of course, the my take on the matter is really only relevant if you plan on rooting / modifying the device, or at least having the ability to do so, the wifi variant (or international lte version, I guess) seems to generally be the way to go.
I'm lusting hard after the Tab S 8.4, but I'm going to wait a while and keep an eye on this subforum mostly to see how development goes, and a price drop or sale would be nice when that starts to happen for these. If I end up getting this tablet (seems likely, the specs are pretty much exactly what I was hoping for in the TabPro 8.4), I anticipate that I'll end up getting the wifi version, even if I have the opportunity to get the lte version for the same price (I'm on T-mobile now and they had a promotion where they were selling the lte variants of the Samsung tablets that they had (which sucked when I checked it out) for the same price as the wifi variant with 2 GB free data or something, but not sure if that's perpetual). I now have a Note 3 and Note 8, and I really only use the tablet at home, but if I wanted to use it elsewhere I would just tether it to my phone with unlimited data, and all is right with the world
tl;dr IMO the wifi variant is the way to go so that your device isn't tied to any carrier and likely more modifiable, if you care about that. If this was a major decision that you were making that I completely solved and/or you're ridiculously generous, PM me for my address for pre-ordering purposes

I'd wait to see if the devices are rootable. I imagine that if the specs are close enough, I'd go with a Nexus 8 for the dev support. Failing that, go for the GPE version of Galaxy S.

bigbrown said:
I'd wait to see if the devices are rootable. I imagine that if the specs are close enough, I'd go with a Nexus 8 for the dev support. Failing that, go for the GPE version of Galaxy S.
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I would love to see a GPE version of the Galaxy Tab S LTE. I don't know why it's so hard to find an Android tablet with LTE that isn't owned by the carriers so I can get decent updates. All the international versions never support the proper LTE bands. The Nexus 7 LTE is the exception. I also have the AT&T Note 8.0 and the lack of updates is more than annoying.

Claiming Samsung Galaxy Perks on a LTE Note 8.0?

I want to be able to claim the Samsung perks but it's not accepting my registration code. Apparently only the Wifi verion of this works, even though I purchased my note 8 in the USA no-term? Can this be skirted around or am I forced to rebuy a LTE-incapable note 8.0 for these perks.
Thanks for the help guys. I'm not pissed if it doesn't work, but it'd make my day ifthere was a workaround
EDIT: If it helps I've flashed my LTE note 8 (SGH-i467m)'s rom to the Wifi Note 8 (like SG-n5100 or something, I cant remember the exat model number), which disabled the LTE features in the process, so by all intents and purposes i am running a wifi Note 8.

Galaxy perks is only on 5110 models WIFI only.
AT&T does not have them. Thus your registration is different as well mainly due to the device being an SGH designation not a GT model.
The only perks worth having IMO are the $25 Google play credit.
Though, only a hand full of apps deserve payment. Too many have ads or just to wonky.

8.4 lte

theres a 16gb 8.4 tab s LTE verzion for $379.99.
anybody own one?
im barrowing the bigger tab s and i mostly use it to message and its rly uncomfortable.
would 8.4 be less awkward for texting/messaging?

GreeleyXda said:
theres a 16gb 8.4 tab s LTE verzion for $379.99.
anybody own one?
im barrowing the bigger tab s and i mostly use it to message and its rly uncomfortable.
would 8.4 be less awkward for texting/messaging?
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Nah basically what your feeling now, but in a smaller size. But it is easier to hold and 8.4 in vs a whole huge 10.5.
-DUHA

the ipad mini and nexus 7 felts good in hand, so idk how much of a difference the 8.4 will be
i dont have a place near me i can go play with one and the deal is online only

Aside from your rather non descript post breaking XDA rules, I wouldn't bother buying anything Verizon branded if you have any desire to modify it in anyway as you won't be able to.

ashyx said:
Aside from your rather non descript post breaking XDA rules, I wouldn't bother buying anything Verizon branded if you have any desire to modify it in anyway as you won't be able to.
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oh what rule?
if i dont need to root and need lte is it ok? im just using it for video/email/browsing/texting, dont see any need to root.
i have an empty tablet line that theyre charging me for until feb 2016 so i kinda want a tablet to put my sim card in. plus i like the bigger tab S, just its too big im used to ipad mini sized tablets. and the 8.4 verizon tab is on sale for $120 off.

GreeleyXda said:
oh what rule?
if i dont need to root and need lte is it ok? im just using it for video/email/browsing/texting, dont see any need to root.
i have an empty tablet line that theyre charging me for until feb 2016 so i kinda want a tablet to put my sim card in. plus i like the bigger tab S, just its too big im used to ipad mini sized tablets. and the 8.4 verizon tab is on sale for $120 off.
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That's fine if you're happy with a locked device. However there may come a time when you come across an issue which needs root to solve or an app that you may want to use. Without it your stuck with it.
Root opens so many doors, I would never even consider a device that I couldn't have control over.

The Verizon and AT&T LTE Tab S 8.4 models both have a locked bootloader and cannot be rooted at this time. And possibly never.
The international LTE TAB S 8.4 model # T705 can be rooted/ROM'd. However, it will not work on Verizon, only GSM.
And even then it may not have LTE bands for all GSM carriers, only some.
So on those it doesn't have bands for, you may be limited to 3G as the fastest speed.
There may be a Sprint LTE device out there but I don't know anything about it.
If it is out there, then it's CDMA (like Verizon).

i understand, im mostly asking about form tho.
is the tab s 8.4 pretty comfortable? id be texting alot which is uncomfortable on the bigger tab s

Can I install hardware on my Samsung Galaxy Tab S 8.4 T700 to make it compatible with

Can I install hardware on my Samsung Galaxy Tab S 8.4 T700 to make it compatible with LTE 4G?

Highly doubtful unless you can source the correct parts, have the equipment and ability to deal with surface mount devices and have the full schematic then somehow force an update to the bootloader so it's compatible with the new hardware.
Alternative 1 - Use a 3g dongle, mifi, or tether to mobile device.
Alternative 2 - sell yours buy a T705.

They don't manufacture Samsung Galaxy Tab S 8.4 T705 anymore that is the trouble.
They don't manufacture Samsung Galaxy Tab S 8.4 T705 anymore that is the trouble.

Tedted1969 said:
They don't manufacture Samsung Galaxy Tab S 8.4 T705 anymore that is the trouble.
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Doesn't need to be new does it? You could upgrade to Tab S2.

so I just did a swap from regular 700 wifi to a 707a , it had a busted screen but everything went perfect. freaking ATT even gave me the unlock code and sent it to me in like 4 minutes! Then.....tmobile wants to be super hella lame and tell me it wont work without a mobile things plan or some hot garbage like that EVEN THOUGH it fully is 100 capable and is even connected , I have an old grandfathered inplan and I do get it and would "understand" if it wernt for so many many other things I use on that sim . But ya.. look for 705 as I can't find any type of mods for this thing. I may try and root with Kingo , switch it to super SU make my backups of course and maybe possibly play with fire and safestrap but ya go with a 705 OR actually don't buy any find a different tablet like I may go with a Surface LTE even though its so inferior spec wise it would still do way way more and finally get me use of the SIM......maybe......it better......hmmmm. better check hah.