[Q] update or do not update to kitkat - Galaxy Note 8.0 (Tablet) Q&A, Help & Troubleshooti

hI all
i was downloading the new kitkat update for my n5100 when i read about the many issue in this update and still couldnt find a fix from samsung
so do u advise me to update or stay with jellybean??

If you plan on keeping it unroofed, kitkak will be better with battery life but soon will be better over all with apps. Seems like developers spring into action late Dec through Feb for new devices under the tree. If you root, JB can be tweaked to be very stable and reliable.
Now that í have two devices running both kitkak and BJ, both are rooted' as there is no other way to live with them happily... I can say both are about equal, just JB needs system tweaking, while Miriam needs fixing and proper app builds from Google.
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If you plan on keeping it unroofed, kitkak will be better with battery life but soon will be better over all with apps. Seems like developers spring into action late Dec through Feb for new devices under the tree. If you root, JB can be tweaked to be very stable and reliable.
Now that í have two devices running both kitkak and BJ, both are rooted' as there is no other way to live with them happily... I can say both are about equal, just JB needs system tweaking, while kitkak needs fixing and proper app builds from Google.

I just heard about bugs in kitkat
is it true?? And the spen bug too
and thnx for replying

I don't know about spend bugs... Never seen it not work in my apps. If you have calibration issues, as what many complain about with all samsungs, just do a calibration.
Yes there are a few bugs with Miriam... Xposed modules will clear up most of them.

Yes, S-Pen went funky on me in 4.4.2; How to Calibrate?
My S-Pen ended up with horrible offset after doing the 4.4.2 update provided by Samsung. I no longer use the pen as a result, which sucks. I keep hoping for an update/fix from Samsung, but will probably eventually root and try custom ROMs that apparently resolve the issue.
In the meantime, gooberdude - you refer to a calibration? Have you done this on a Note 8.0, and if so, how? I've heard it referred to, but have never had any success in finding a way to do any kind of calibration.
-Mike
gooberdude said:
I don't know about spend bugs... Never seen it not work in my apps. If you have calibration issues, as what many complain about with all samsungs, just do a calibration.
Yes there are a few bugs with Miriam... Xposed modules will clear up most of them.
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To calibrate... Open Shots and create a new note with spend.
Go from the upper corner along the edge of the screen and follow along to the next corner, and so on until you have made it back to where you began. You want to make n outline of your screen corner to corner in straight lines.
You may have to repeat a few times, but once you get the knack of it, it will be easy to perform again if needed.
I have a gorilla glass so depending on angle of spend my view of pixel my be distorted by the thickness of my screen protector. As it is very thick.
Try to keep your spen tip at a 45 to 60 degree angle, as it helps with calibration.

I have already updated my n5100 to 4.4.2 and I have no problems with spen.
the most important issue you will have after updatevto 4.4.2 is that you you will not have full access to the external sd card.
also you will have 4.4.2 bootloader with knox that if you root or ... your device the knox will
be tripped and your warranty will void.
the choice is yours .

It is worth to upgrade only if you are willing to run custom kernel.

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I'm I alone to think new updates bring nothing but problem?

Hi, loyal XDA subject and Note 2 lovers.
(WARNING!! THIS IS A RANT THREAD) If you don't feel like it don't read it.
I've been out of XDA for a while now(for personal reasons), keeping an eye on new update only and of course flashing them but without being really involved like before.
Honestly nothing from these new updates gave me a desire or an excitement to make a come back and get involve again. Actually I found all the new update brings some little improvement (I've been waiting for the S4-Note 3 camera app) but more trouble than it should.
This Knox thing is a nightmare and all the security around it makes flashing phones more complicated if you want to keep your warranty.
Why does Samsung doesn't give us a choice? I hate companies who decides for us and what are we getting in return if you're not a Knox user?
I'm finish, so to go back, I'm I alone to think this way? If I'm wrong don't be shy to bring me back on the right path(in a polite way of course).
I dunno, I didn't flash stock ROM but slightly modified ROM with Note 3 apps and apart from 1 small bug (there is no Samsung account) I am very satisfied with it. As a matter of fact, not only do all Note 3 apps work fine, but the ROM is stable and noticably faster than 4.1.2. I might yet update to MK9/MKD or ML3, but I'd need the Note 3 pack to work, so I'll hold for the time being. I really like the 4.3 update. On all my devices I've never experienced better update then this one.
Yes, KNOX is a nightmare, so I suggest we all skip it for the time being and use pre-rooted de-Knoxed stock ROMs (MK9 available and MKD is there too but has to be rooted manualy)... just use MJ5 bootloader and all is good!
There is a slight speed increase. Some stock apps got a slight appearance update. Some slight improvements. Nothing major and the dreadful knox is preventing me to root it and enable ad block. That is the only root app I really need but I can surely wait it out until someone gonna crack knox.
now I am waiting to get home (on holiday) so I can pop into my carrier's store to get an upgrade to my contact. Getting a note 3.
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[Q] Calibration fixes for S-Pen on 4.4.2 KitKat?

Hi all,
Since my Note 8 has been upgraded to 4.4.2, I've noticed the S-Pen's accuracy is now off by a few millimeters. This makes taking neat notes very difficult, and note-taking is my primary purpose for this tablet.
Does anyone know of a way to adjust the calibration of the S-Pen? My tablet is rooted so I can try any number of solutions.
Thanks.
shardsx said:
Hi all,
Since my Note 8 has been upgraded to 4.4.2, I've noticed the S-Pen's accuracy is now off by a few millimeters. This makes taking neat notes very difficult, and note-taking is my primary purpose for this tablet.
Does anyone know of a way to adjust the calibration of the S-Pen? My tablet is rooted so I can try any number of solutions.
Thanks.
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Just search... I have posted one too many times on calibrating, so finding it should be easy.
shardsx said:
Hi all,
Since my Note 8 has been upgraded to 4.4.2, I've noticed the S-Pen's accuracy is now off by a few millimeters. This makes taking neat notes very difficult, and note-taking is my primary purpose for this tablet.
Does anyone know of a way to adjust the calibration of the S-Pen? My tablet is rooted so I can try any number of solutions.
Thanks.
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A few things you can try.
It'll sound silly, but hit the tip of the pen with some force against a hard surface; desk, table, etc. For some reason, that can realign the tip back into place (or out of place, so play with it a little bit).
Another thing is to run the S Pen over each edge multiple times to auto-calibrate it. This resets the boundaries of the screen and can help out a little bit.
One thing I haven't tried that I read about is actually adjusting the sensitivity of the S Pen. Underneath the click button there should be a small adjustment knob that you can play with. Use a thin razor to get underneath the button and pop it off, just being careful not to break it. If I were you I'd look up a little more about this trick.
I had success with the first two methods, so I never tried taking the button off.
Good luck.
When I updated I was tempted to pop the button and adjust but I've found after using my tablet for a few hours it went away on it's own. I'm now 2 to 3 days after updating and my S-Pen is back to normal; it was a good nib's worth off to the right when I first updated.
Note well that I use my S-Pen enough that battery powered styli would often need their batteries rotated daily; some folk barely use their S-Pens. Not having to change batteries (rather than charge my tablet) is one of the reasons I love the S-Pen .
Spidey01 said:
When I updated I was tempted to pop the button and adjust but I've found after using my tablet for a few hours it went away on it's own. I'm now 2 to 3 days after updating and my S-Pen is back to normal; it was a good nib's worth off to the right when I first updated.
Note well that I use my S-Pen enough that battery powered styli would often need their batteries rotated daily; some folk barely use their S-Pens. Not having to change batteries (rather than charge my tablet) is one of the reasons I love the S-Pen .
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So far...
I've found an old post from Gooberdude that suggests drawing in the corners and on the borders. I've spent an hour this morning drawing in the corners and borders, but it doesn't seem to help (unless I'm doing it wrong, or maybe not enough strokes?)
I've found references to an S-Pen app that no longer works on the Note 8 since 4.2.2 because Samsung removed some files for swapping between left and right hand in the OS. That's a no go right there.
I've got mstrswrd06's suggestion to bang the S-Pen against something hard. I've also got a brand new Note Pro 12.2, and the S-Pen from both the Note 8 and the Note 12.2 is accurate on that device's screen. When I bring both the S-Pens over to the Note 8, both are inaccurate about the same amount. Not likely that my Note 8 pen is the culprit.
Spidey, since you got the detection of your S-Pen to somehow become accurate, maybe you can elaborate some more on what you have done?
Any help is appreciated. I use this device to write notes during meetings, and with the small screen, precision is a must because I have to write very small.
shardsx said:
Spidey, since you got the detection of your S-Pen to somehow become accurate, maybe you can elaborate some more on what you have done?
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Using it normally. Which for me is inputing text via Google Keyboard's "Flow" (swype) input method with the S-Pen and cursive handwriting in MyStylus Beta (or printing where necessary). Using the S-Pen for most interactions with the device (buttons, app UI, selecting text and moving the cursor, etc), and inserting/removing the pen between needs. Watching videos and using the S-Pen to preview / sync. Surfing the web, G+, etc, etc. After about two hours of life it seemed OK, I think text input helped a fair bit. By a day or two after, perfectly normal here.
That's a large part of why I went with this device rather than a Nexus 7 2013 or G Pad GPE. I find the pen desirable for things like the vertical '...' dot menus, handwriting recognition, and doodling.
Spidey01 said:
Using it normally. Which for me is inputing text via Google Keyboard's "Flow" (swype) input method with the S-Pen and cursive handwriting in MyStylus Beta (or printing where necessary). Using the S-Pen for most interactions with the device (buttons, app UI, selecting text and moving the cursor, etc), and inserting/removing the pen between needs. Watching videos and using the S-Pen to preview / sync. Surfing the web, G+, etc, etc. After about two hours of life it seemed OK, I think text input helped a fair bit. By a day or two after, perfectly normal here.
That's a large part of why I went with this device rather than a Nexus 7 2013 or G Pad GPE. I find the pen desirable for things like the vertical '...' dot menus, handwriting recognition, and doodling.
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Thanks Spidey. I'm going to spend the weekend just scribbling with the tablet. It's been brutal. I even tried a security wipe from the tablet, which didn't help, and also a forced update/initialization through Kies, which also didn't help.
Hopefully whatever triggered the fix for you will work for me.
Thanks again!
Good luck shardsx, hope it sorts out. I was afraid when mine suddenly had the offset after updating...thankful it went away.
Assuming you are rooted? If so, try flashing civato's new kernel. It has integrated fix for S-Pen alignment.
CCallahan said:
Assuming you are rooted? If so, try flashing civato's new kernel. It has integrated fix for S-Pen alignment.
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I can confirm that the kernel just released by Civ fixes the inaccuracies in the S-pen. I am running it and am having no issues now. There was an issue of not being able to sync my Google account and could not get on the play store but after a data factor wipe it is all good now. This may have been none related to the kernel, but I figured that I would at least mention it.
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Mine is off too
Same problem here ... since the upgrade the stylus is off by a few millimeters ... drawing in corners didn't solve the problem ...
shardsx said:
So far...
I've found an old post from Gooberdude that suggests drawing in the corners and on the borders. I've spent an hour this morning drawing in the corners and borders, but it doesn't seem to help (unless I'm doing it wrong, or maybe not enough strokes?)
I've found references to an S-Pen app that no longer works on the Note 8 since 4.2.2 because Samsung removed some files for swapping between left and right hand in the OS. That's a no go right there.
I've got mstrswrd06's suggestion to bang the S-Pen against something hard. I've also got a brand new Note Pro 12.2, and the S-Pen from both the Note 8 and the Note 12.2 is accurate on that device's screen. When I bring both the S-Pens over to the Note 8, both are inaccurate about the same amount. Not likely that my Note 8 pen is the culprit.
Spidey, since you got the detection of your S-Pen to somehow become accurate, maybe you can elaborate some more on what you have done?
Any help is appreciated. I use this device to write notes during meetings, and with the small screen, precision is a must because I have to write very small.
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i'd say just upgrade to civato's custom rom and spherekat kernel - 100 percent accurate for me. my pen isnt broken or anything but it was waaayyy off using stock, or even civato's flexnote without spherekat (most of the offset is because of code in the kernel, apparently).
take the plunge - you're already rooted, it's time to get on the rom train. (CHOO CHOO)
tooandrew said:
i'd say just upgrade to civato's custom rom and spherekat kernel - 100 percent accurate for me. my pen isnt broken or anything but it was waaayyy off using stock, or even civato's flexnote without spherekat (most of the offset is because of code in the kernel, apparently).
take the plunge - you're already rooted, it's time to get on the rom train. (CHOO CHOO)
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Agreed. The only known fix for 4.4.2 s-pen at the moment is to use Civ's latest rom and kernel. You actually need both installed to have 100% accurate s-pen, since some of the fixes are in the kernel and the other fixes are in the rom framework.
I actually managed to get my S-Pen recalibrated. I opened up S-Note and scribbled all around the edges until there was a solid 0.5 cm border. But the trick is that I did it all in a single stroke (or in other words, I never lifted the pen until I had filled in all the edges, which took a long while). After that, the dot now appears right under the pen. And it stays across applications. It worked for me; maybe it'll work for you.
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rtiangha said:
I actually managed to get my S-Pen recalibrated. I opened up S-Note and scribbled all around the edges until there was a solid 0.5 cm border. But the trick is that I did it all in a single stroke (or in other words, I never lifted the pen until I had filled in all the edges, which took a long while). After that, the dot now appears right under the pen. And it stays across applications. It worked for me; maybe it'll work for you.
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ive not heard of such a thing before, but i'm glad you managed to fix it. there are still reasons to upgrade to civato's rom and kernel despite this, but if you're happy with your user experience, that's all that matters.
I've considered going down the path of custom ROM. I'm definitely not opposed to this approach since I've got an old Asus Transformer tablet that's using CM10.2 (waiting for 11 stable).
What I did to resolve my inaccurate S-Pen issues was to Odin flash 4.1.2 back on. Now, I've read that I might be prevented from flashing back to 4.4.2 Kit Kat, but I don't know why that would be the case since the bootloader is still 4.4.2 after the downgrade. I've also read that people can't charge the tablet after a downgrade while it's off? I haven't actually turned off my tablet to charge, but I guess that would be a scary scenario if I ever ran completely out of power and can't charge the device.
I'll do more digging around over the next few days. The power-off charge issue is the biggest concern, so I'll drain my battery down to 50%, turn it off, and let it charge overnight to see what happens. Worst case scenario is I'll Odin back to 4.4.2 and custom ROM.
tooandrew said:
ive not heard of such a thing before, but i'm glad you managed to fix it. there are still reasons to upgrade to civato's rom and kernel despite this, but if you're happy with your user experience, that's all that matters.
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It was a variant of this method:
http://richardjang.typepad.com/techstuffs/2012/03/how-to-calibrate-the-galaxy-note-s-pen.html
I had to go with Method 1 because I've got the wifi model and so don't have access to a dialer.
shardsx said:
I've considered going down the path of custom ROM. I'm definitely not opposed to this approach since I've got an old Asus Transformer tablet that's using CM10.2 (waiting for 11 stable).
What I did to resolve my inaccurate S-Pen issues was to Odin flash 4.1.2 back on. Now, I've read that I might be prevented from flashing back to 4.4.2 Kit Kat, but I don't know why that would be the case since the bootloader is still 4.4.2 after the downgrade. I've also read that people can't charge the tablet after a downgrade while it's off? I haven't actually turned off my tablet to charge, but I guess that would be a scary scenario if I ever ran completely out of power and can't charge the device.
I'll do more digging around over the next few days. The power-off charge issue is the biggest concern, so I'll drain my battery down to 50%, turn it off, and let it charge overnight to see what happens. Worst case scenario is I'll Odin back to 4.4.2 and custom ROM.
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i was under the impression that once a knox bootloader was installed, trying to downgrade to a touchwiz-based rom of an earlier version would brick it. you just odin'd the original 4.1.2?
tooandrew said:
i was under the impression that once a knox bootloader was installed, trying to downgrade to a touchwiz-based rom of an earlier version would brick it. you just odin'd the original 4.1.2?
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I also read that in the "about KNOX" thread, but I've also read other people have flashed back to 4.1.2 (and experienced the power-off charging problem that I talked about above).
I took the plunge and yeah, just Odin'd the original 4.1.2 back on. I used the Canadian 4.1.2 wifi image from Sammobile.com. The bootloader stays at 4.4.2 (so I have the KNOX Warranty flag tripped), but everything seems to be working well. I turned off the tablet last night and let it charge to test the claims that there were issues, and there was no problems doing that.
So far, I haven't noticed anything game breaking about going back to 4.1.2. I think maybe I experienced a sleep of death? However, that's hardly unusual.
I had the same offset issues, so I went zero to sixty from no rooting experience at all to flashing Civato's latest Rom. I use the S pen extensively for handwriting recognition and sketching so a slight offset made the tablet practically unusable. Offset issue is perfectly fixed now.
It took a bit of research to learn how to root and flash but very worth it.

[Q] Is the Update to 4.4 worth it?

Hello all,
Can someone tell me the pros and cons of updating to 4.4 from 4.3? Like what are the big differences? I am reluctant to update because I know once I do I can't go back to 4.3 so I don't want to update and then be stuck with something I can't do jack with. I already get excellent battery life on 4.3 by being rooted (I only have to charge the phone every 2-3 days). I am wondering does it lock the bootloader or implement anymore/other security measures from AT&T or Samsung? Can it be rooted with towel root or did they patch the kernel? Thanks goes to the persons that help me decide.
Try enewman17's stock rom. This'll give you a good idea of what to expect. As with every new update, some claim it destroys their battery, but that doesn't seem to be the case for most. In general, its just a better performing build overall. Smaller memory footprint for one thing. But like I said, try the rom. Kind of a test drive before fully updating.
Towelroot still works unless you have the I747M and update to NC2. (It still works on NE6 though).
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Try enewman17's stock rom. This'll give you a good idea of what to expect. As with every new update, some claim it destroys their battery, but that doesn't seem to be the case for most. In general, its just a better performing build overall. Smaller memory footprint for one thing. But like I said, try the rom. Kind of a test drive before fully updating.
Towelroot still works unless you have the I747M and update to NC2. (It still works on NE6 though).
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I have the sgh-i747. Won't flashing a ROM trip my warranty bit? I just got the phone about a week ago and would like to keep the warranty in tact.
Yes, it will trip the bit.
Best I can really tell you then is to read the kk discussion threads. Also you should be able to find a list of the more significant changes on Samsung or AT&T's support sites.
I just can't remember all that was changed myself or id tell you. More location settings I think was one thing...
Okay thanks man! I will check out the KK threads. If anyone else wants to chime in here, go for it. The more I know the better.

Rooting versus not Rooting

Hey guys, is rooting really worth it on this phone. I mean just look at all the threads of this issue and that issue after somebody roots. I mean for me the phone is awesome as it is with exception to it's poor SPARK speeds. But that can't be fixed by rooting. I have yet to see any real gain posted by anyone other than removal of Sprint bloatware which is much less than any other carrier. So really is the gain worth the hardship and potential issues this phone seems to have after rooting?
All I see is this phone has X issue and then next line is always the same I rooted or I installed Y ROM. It seems to me that Samsung has done something to make this phone unreliable/unstable once the Factory integrity has been compromised either through rooting or ROM replacement. I did root mine using CF auto root before seeing all these issue posted. I can say now after rooting that I as well am seeing little bugs with touch screen response, as well as other little bugs it did not have before rooting. So this just strengthens my hunch about Samsung somehow making this device less stable once it is compromised.
I don't think I am going to fool with it any further. I don't want to become one of the many help I rooted and my phone won't boot post popping up around here lately.
You dont have to install ROMs to better your device, you can root stock odexed and it will be fine.
It unlocks more capabilities the phone cant do when its pure stock, such as Freezing wake locking apps that drain battery, or enabling etc mods that make the device better under certain circumstances.
You will run into issues whether rooted or not.
Is it worth it? Depends on user opinions. Does it have more problems than usual, Sure from time to time.
The peoples reviews of custom roms are there for a reason. There are things that are fixable and others that cant be fixed or modified upon.
Its more about exploring the full capabilities your device can do when it is rooted.
How far this device has come is massively huge because of the help brought from the community and devs.
You will typically find best performance and reliability with stock android with very few modifications. I use to flash a lot of roms/kernels on my Epic 4G and 4G touch and wouldn't call either of them reliable. I stay with mostly stock roms with my GS4, just Knox removed and everything is real stable.
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Hey guys, is rooting really worth it on this phone. I mean just look at all the threads of this issue and that issue after somebody roots. I mean for me the phone is awesome as it is with exception to it's poor SPARK speeds. But that can't be fixed by rooting. I have yet to see any real gain posted by anyone other than removal of Sprint bloatware which is much less than any other carrier. So really is the gain worth the hardship and potential issues this phone seems to have after rooting?
All I see is this phone has X issue and then next line is always the same I rooted or I installed Y ROM. It seems to me that Samsung has done something to make this phone unreliable/unstable once the Factory integrity has been compromised either through rooting or ROM replacement. I did root mine using CF auto root before seeing all these issue posted. I can say now after rooting that I as well am seeing little bugs with touch screen response, as well as other little bugs it did not have before rooting. So this just strengthens my hunch about Samsung somehow making this device less stable once it is compromised.
I don't think I am going to fool with it any further. I don't want to become one of the many help I rooted and my phone won't boot post popping up around here lately.
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I have both rooted and unrooted, stock roms and custom roms on a few devices at home. Does JUST ROOTING cause any additional problems? No. Its essentially like installing any other apk. Where majority of the bugs and problems come in is user error and custom roms. Don't get those confused as they typically are. Most "I rooted any my phone isn't booting" posts are from people that do things improperly. Or sometimes things just don't stick and you have to try again. CF Autoroot didn't work the very first time I flashed it on my wifes device (last night) after I had used it more times than I can count on my own since 1 week after device launch. I flashed it again, worked great. She didn't like stock, so I flashed my own custom rom on her device.
Custom Roms come with their own bugs if they aren't just simply stripped stock. Want less chances of bugs? Use the completely debloated and no-knoxed ones. They just make things simple by removing both carrier bloat and added items (can also be buggy themselves). Also keep in mind that the software shipped isn't always bug free . We saw some big changes to the actual code from NIE to NK2, we aren't 100% sure why they changed things in some places but I'm not an expert there at all. Ever wonder why Tmobile or verizon may have a feature thats actually turn off or locked on our device? It could be buggy for a specific carrier and the carrier just decided they wouldn't include it for their customers.
Samsung perposely sabatoging our devices because they are rooted...... eh they did have nexus devices at one point in time. So I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say this isn't the case. You may have just experienced bad results. I don't go a device without rooting, if not only to remove carrier bloat. MY last 3 devices I did not even let sprint reps boot before I took it home and rooted (literal first boot is rooted stock) I have been to the sprint techs LESS than when I had stock devices. This also allows certain users to fix their own problems themselves, and not leave device issues in the hands of carrier techs who by default will generally do a software reset and send you out the door.
Pros vs cons of rooting? Completely down to each specific user.
Yes rooting is absolutely worth it. For hotspot tethering, and Xposed. But you do need to add a fix to Xposed if you do decide to install it on this device.
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beezar said:
Yes rooting is absolutely worth it. For hotspot tethering, and Xposed. But you do need to add a fix to Xposed if you do decide to install it on this device.
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If you have hotspot tethering included in your plan like I do why would you need to root to have it? Unless you are trying to get it for free?
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If you have hotspot tethering included in your plan like I do why would you need to root to have it? Unless you are trying to get it for free?
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reguardless if you pay for it or not, it limits the amount of devices you can connect/tether to. Who's to say I only want to tether 4-5 devices? What If I'm traveling and have 6 devices?
If you don't like rooting, this certainly isn't the place to try and shun it. If you are looking to be convinced to root again? Still the wrong place. You root because you want to, or you want to do something that you can't without root. Plain and simple. Rooting is essentially controlling your own device while you OWN IT. Not owning a device someone else has complete control over.
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reguardless if you pay for it or not, it limits the amount of devices you can connect/tether to. Who's to say I only want to tether 4-5 devices? What If I'm traveling and have 6 devices?
If you don't like rooting, this certainly isn't the place to try and shun it. If you are looking to be convinced to root again? Still the wrong place. You root because you want to, or you want to do something that you can't without root. Plain and simple. Rooting is essentially controlling your own device while you OWN IT. Not owning a device someone else has complete control over.
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I root everything I own that can be rooted. My question has about the N4 as it seems like I said it has more issues after a root then it did before and that seems fishy. The way Sprint and Samsung are handling the poor data speeds is already a screw job when they are both aware it is a real problem. Add to that the more mods you do to the phone the more unstable it gets that just seems shady. I was not asking to root or not to root so much as I was asking is THIS device worth the trouble?
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I root everything I own that can be rooted. My question has about the N4 as it seems like I said it has more issues after a root then it did before and that seems fishy. The way Sprint and Samsung are handling the poor data speeds is already a screw job when they are both aware it is a real problem. Add to that the more mods you do to the phone the more unstable it gets that just seems shady. I was not asking to root or not to root so much as I was asking is THIS device worth the trouble?
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Seems you aren't running the right rom. I haven't had any major instabilities.
It's not the rooting that causes the problems, its what they do after they root.
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Solarenemy68 said:
I root everything I own that can be rooted. My question has about the N4 as it seems like I said it has more issues after a root then it did before and that seems fishy. The way Sprint and Samsung are handling the poor data speeds is already a screw job when they are both aware it is a real problem. Add to that the more mods you do to the phone the more unstable it gets that just seems shady. I was not asking to root or not to root so much as I was asking is THIS device worth the trouble?
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As we all have said before, its user opinionated and what they do regarding with root in general.
I go with rooting because of extra battery saving features such as Greenify + Xposed, Underclocking GPU and CPU. To top that off, force lower dpi resolution and tablet mode on specific apps to see more on the screen. Modifying files such as build.prop and user key controls for enhanced performance, and like everyone, changing Sounds and boot anims, moving apps from user to system to help with stability etc.
If its unstable doing certain things well thats the bummer downside to the Apps or devices capabilities. But as long as you can get more out of the device ( which you can! ) with all the freedom of not being locked to user specific controls. It makes it better!
Thats how i feel.
I mean you can root the device and just install twrp and just keep it like that just until something catches your eye. I personally say if you rooted your previous devices. You should root the note 4. I am rooted and I am just plain stock cause I almost bricked my device. So I am going to wait until 5.0 gets to our phones before I flash anymore roms but until then I'm going to be completely stock.
Root your phone immediately.
Root your phone immediately. My god, what are you thinking going around unrooted?
Oh, you want details?
Open the hidden stuff if you want details.
Just kidding. I too suffered from doubts and waited several months before popping my phones warranty cherry.
Root is nice, even on the Note 4. But:
If you don't need root for anything special and you are perfectly happy with stock without root, DON'T ROOT!
If you need superuser authority (titanium backup?), if you want to disable Exchange Security so you can have work email but still use the fingerprint scanner, or you just like having better/different looks than stock in some way not achievable without root, ROOT. ​
That advice is general and applies to all phones. If you don't need/want it, why ask?
I can vouch that rooting the Note 4, installing custom Recovery and operating the custom ROMs is the similar to any other Samsung phone of recent vintage both in manner and difficultly (e.g. S3, S4, S5). (not the same though so do your research)
I have nothing against any ROM but, from personal experience, the ROMs from Pongoface and co work extremely well and look really nice. Make sure to wipe data and let them have 10 minutes or so to settle after first boot.
Those are:
[PORT] BoBCaTROM
and
[Port] Sprint Xnote (The time to settle was important on this one for me. Else, I got forced closes, not sure
Everything is stable on my phone after rooting and a LOT of Xposed mods. It just makes my phone much better.
If you have rooted all your other phones, then really why are you asking this question? You already know the benefits and risks of rooting so there is no need for us to tell you what to do.
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Solarenemy68 said:
I root everything I own that can be rooted. My question has about the N4 as it seems like I said it has more issues after a root then it did before and that seems fishy. The way Sprint and Samsung are handling the poor data speeds is already a screw job when they are both aware it is a real problem. Add to that the more mods you do to the phone the more unstable it gets that just seems shady. I was not asking to root or not to root so much as I was asking is THIS device worth the trouble?
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False. False. False. What's shady is the lack of knowledge on behalf of a user which these issues are caused by. There is no "shady" business going on that would cause instability issues upon rooting your device. Instead of a carrier or Samsung playing shenanigans with it's customers by introducing bugs and instability issues if a user roots their device, it would be more logical for Sprint and Samsung to simply lock down the bootloader and take measures to prevent root in the first place... such as all the Verizon and AT&T customers who are still crying about not having root. If you want to believe otherwise that's up to you.
As already mentioned by millerboy3, rooting doesn't cause the instability issues you or anybody else might be having. The more mods you do the more unstable the rom??? That's just plain and simple ignorance my friend. Yes it could be true that a rom might be "buggy" but if a rom is well planned and time taken to ensure everything is right, then there will not be stability issues. There are roms out there with tons of mods that are 10 times more stable and faster than the stock rom. I happen to have a rom that fits that criteria along with a few other people. With that said, I do agree with you on the fact that the Note 4 is perfectly awesome straight out of the box without the need to root it. This is the first phone I've owned that I really don't feel the need to change anything because everything works great stock. There are a few mods that I find are well worth the effort and definitely worth rooting the phone for.
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False. False. False. What's shady is the lack of knowledge on behalf of a user which these issues are caused by. There is no "shady" business going on that would cause instability issues upon rooting your device. Instead of a carrier or Samsung playing shenanigans with it's customers by introducing bugs and instability issues if a user roots their device, it would be more logical for Sprint and Samsung to simply lock down the bootloader and take measures to prevent root in the first place... such as all the Verizon and AT&T customers who are still crying about not having root. If you want to believe otherwise that's up to you.
As already mentioned by millerboy3, rooting doesn't cause the instability issues you or anybody else might be having. The more mods you do the more unstable the rom??? That's just plain and simple ignorance my friend. Yes it could be true that a rom might be "buggy" but if a rom is well planned and time taken to ensure everything is right, then there will not be stability issues. There are roms out there with tons of mods that are 10 times more stable and faster than the stock rom. I happen to have a rom that fits that criteria along with a few other people. With that said, I do agree with you on the fact that the Note 4 is perfectly awesome straight out of the box without the need to root it. This is the first phone I've owned that I really don't feel the need to change anything because everything works great stock. There are a few mods that I find are well worth the effort and definitely worth rooting the phone for.
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He said it much better than I.
i'll also throw a vote in for rooting. i've come to consider AdAway & Xposed as must-haves, which both require root.
The N4 was the first phone I considered not rooting, it was that good straight away. However, then I remembered why I rooted, besides custom ROM's, and it was 2 (now 3) main reasons.
1- AdFree: After seeing ads all over a bunch of my favorite apps, I remembered I didn't have AdFree installed, which requires root. This is my biggest quality of use reason, if you've ever went to tap something in an app only to have a ninja ad come out of nowhere right as your finger hit the screen and redirect you to a website or the app store, you know what I mean.
2- TWRP + Titanium Backup - The ability to backup ALL my apps and settings to a separate SD card was huge, plus all the other features of TB.
3 - Lastly, I found Xposed: I'd never used before, but now, I couldn't imagine not having it. It's allowed me to tweak things that irritated me, like color schemes on the contacts and dialer screens, without the worry of installing custom ROM's or RW editing mods.
Just my feedback, your requirements may differ.
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Newbie, who wants to have better use of ExtsdCard
I am looking into rooting, for the first time. After an update to my, prior, S4, I couldn't edit my ebooks, about 700, delete photos, several thousand, or remove duplicates, on my extsdcard. I just got a new Note 4, and a 128G extsdcard. If there is anyway to restore my control of the sdcard that I paid for, other than rooting, please tell me. Otherwise, Android and Samsung are forcing me to root. Am I wrong??
Thank you very much,
Randy "Pugmeister"
Pugmeister said:
I am looking into rooting, for the first time. After an update to my, prior, S4, I couldn't edit my ebooks, about 700, delete photos, several thousand, or remove duplicates, on my extsdcard. I just got a new Note 4, and a 128G extsdcard. If there is anyway to restore my control of the sdcard that I paid for, other than rooting, please tell me. Otherwise, Android and Samsung are forcing me to root. Am I wrong??
Thank you very much,
Randy "Pugmeister"
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I'm a little fuzzy on what your saying. Are you saying that you can't edit or delete the contents of your external SD card in the note 4? If so, that's not a problem root could solve, as you should have full control over everything on the external card. Rooting would allow you access to edit the main android system files on the internal storage.
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Kitkat vs lollipop 5.0.2

Hi guy just bought my tab s 8.4 2 months ago and have upgraded to 5.0.2 but it lags alot and it is not as smooth as kitkat. There was a notification stating that update of the software is available now and i proceed to update to lollipop. Was it me who upgraded it wrongly or lollipop is like that? anyways to make it better or can go back to kitkat with out voiding the warranty? Bought it in Malaysia..
Thank you for any responses.
Some people say that after an OTA update doing a full factory reset will help get rid of the lag. Others say wiping the cache partition will improve things and this method leaves your apps alone and you loose nothing but the lag and cached data.
I honestly don't see much difference between 4.4, 5.0, and 5.1 for my purposes. However, 5.x has better support for various applications writing to sd card, so that's why I prefer 5.x. Yes, some people have said that the best way to update is to effectively do a full factory reset. Third party apps and their settings may not be responsible only for performance, but also for battery drain. Once the ROM is installed, go into settings of every app you don't use and make sure to turn off any automatic activity such as cloud services, automatic anything, and notifications. Seems to have with idle battery use a lot.
Some report a lot of problems with Lollipop, most report none, I am quite happy with Kitkat and i am unwilling to risk the upgrade to Lollipop for the very little improvement, Kitkat has been very stable for me a ran my T800 for over 157day`s without shutdown or rebooting, I just needed to re-calibrate the battery (just maintenance), no slowdown or any problems, i have rooted so i have full access to the microsd.
I will upgrade to Marshmallow if we get it, supposedly from April 2016 phase 2, which is good, As phase 1 should expose any major problems and they should be fixed for phase 2.
John.
i am in dilemma now. should i downgrade it to kitkat or reinstall lollipop? but none of these 2 options i know how to do...
Be careful with the 8.4" one of the biggest problems is screen flicker/battery problems caused by a loose battery connector, possibly even slight repeated bending can cause the battery connector to come loose, maybe a stiff case can prevent or reduce the chance of this happening, just a word of warning.
John.
Tinderbox (UK) said:
Be careful with the 8.4" one of the biggest problems is screen flicker/battery problems caused by a loose battery connector, possibly even slight repeated bending can cause the battery connector to come loose, maybe a stiff case can prevent or reduce the chance of this happening, just a word of warning.
John.
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thanks sir fpr the advice. Do u know if downgrade to kitkat or reinstall the lollipop will it void my warranty?
Sorry I dont know anything about flashing the Tab S, the Guy to ask is TAB S owner ASHYX send him a PM, he can bite you head off a bit, if he has to repeat himself, but he knows his stuff.
John.
falcone900 said:
thanks sir fpr the advice. Do u know if downgrade to kitkat or reinstall the lollipop will it void my warranty?
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My advice to you would be to factory reset first to start with a clean slate, as said this can solve many issues. Sometimes it is a misbehaving app/apps that cause issues and not the fault of the rom itself.
Lollipop is fairly mature now and Samsung have fixed many issues with regular updates so lollipop should be more or less bug free and should certainly run better than kitkat due it's new architecture.
If you are still set on downgrading then as long as you flash the stock KK firmware for your device there will be no issues, warranty or otherwise.
ashyx said:
My advice to you would be to factory reset first to start with a clean slate, as said this can solve many issues. Sometimes it is a misbehaving app/apps that cause issues and not the fault of the rom itself.
Lollipop is fairly mature now and Samsung have fixed many issues with regular updates so lollipop should be more or less bug free and should certainly run better than kitkat due it's new architecture.
If you are still set on downgrading then as long as you flash the stock KK firmware for your device there will be no issues, warranty or otherwise.
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Thanks a lot for your advice. I think i will do a factory reset and see how it goes.

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