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i believe that it would be a really great idea if one new market place subforum is added. this would be dedicated to finding genuinly great deals on phones or services that people normally look for here. there are just too many
a friend was about to pay an absurd $950 (locally)for an xperia 2 weeks ago and i managed to save him more than $250 based on a post (that was actully misplaced)
what do you guys think? please voice your opinion. if there is a lot of interest and if our request is reasonable. im sure the administrators wont ignore it
Some threads already discussing this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=469619&highlight=Selling
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375362&highlight=Selling
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336538&highlight=Selling
XDA-Developers isn't a market place and doesn't want to be IMO, we are a development forum. If a Marketplace was setup we would start attracting power sellers and scammers - there's no denying it, you cannot trust anyone on the internet . This would mean xda-developers would then have a responsibilty over what was sold on it's site.
Buying and selling of devices on this forum has caused problems before - a senior member on this forum scammed a number of users by selling devices that didn't exist.
Known users selling a second hand device after an upgrade is allowed (for the moment).
Thanks
Dave
i think the $700 he paid is too much. you can get it for even less from UK shops like expansys or handec or ebay even with shipping put into consideration.
the idea has merit but dave is also making a lot of sense .
mabe we can reach middle ground by creating a new "deals" subforum for all devices. a single subforum should not be that hard to moderatea slickdeals.net type forum is extreemly valuable to far too many people espeically new-comers.
oh and btw its now possible to buy decent wm devices for as litte as $160. pda+keyboard+3.5G+520mhz+wifi http://www.expansys.ae/p.aspx?i=147071
are you sure expansys.ae is not a scam site. a similar phone like this would cost about 2-3 times as much
i just added a poll in hope that this will give the admins a better idea what people want.
i just find it a bit unbalnced that there are so many uneeded forums (like accssories subforum for EACH phone that was ever created while something as usuful as this does not get a forum based on the ASSUMPTION that it will be abused.
how about they create a forum for a test period and if it proves to be problamatic the admins remove it.
As posted before
Already are threads regarding this
what i am asking for is a toned down vesion of what what asked before
-im not asking a per device forum.
-not asking forum wtb/wts forum.
im just asking for a single test forum that will help people find good deals on wm all smartphones. the moderators are already handling over 50 subforums. is one extra really a big deal??!!
now if only i could get more people to vote too see how other people feel about this
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i just find it a bit unbalnced that there are so many uneeded forums (like accssories subforum for EACH phone that was ever created while something as usuful as this does not get a forum based on the ASSUMPTION that it will be abused.
how about they create a forum for a test period and if it proves to be problamatic the admins remove it.
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To be fair, if you look at who it is that's saying "it's been talked about before, and we think that the idea is problematic and we don't really want it to become a marketplace" you might notice one significant fact that i believe you are overlooking. That fact is that we're talking about some of the more significant, long-term contributors to the forum, and people who have actually talked to the site admin before and know the owner's/admin's feelings about the matter. The issue isn't that we can't handle one more sub-forum, or even 10 more for that matter, but rather what that sub-forum will contain. You have not even been a member one month, and I in no means intend to put you down, but believe me when i say that if you spend the next year learning and contributing here on the forum, you will have a much different perspective than you do now.
There are already marketplace forums in existence but it does not belong here. Personally, I do not agree with people creating threads selling their devices on here. Many of us remember the Cuboosh scams that took place a short while ago and many considered him a valued member to this community prior to his shady activities.
In addition, I am undecided whether I agree with people linking their eBay listing here. If you want to promote more attraction to your listing do it elsewhere.
Below is a handy website that does have marketplace deals for many items. If you want to add deals on win-mo devices to their forums feel free too.
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/13-bargain-websites-that-are-cheaper-than-ebay/
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A friend of mine is a mod on a site that has fairly heavy trading of sports cards and other collectibles. Admittedly that site is largely focused on that activity, or at least it has become a major focus over time (I'm not a member and have no part in it, so I admit, I know little of it's history).
He's told me a number of times about complications with scammers, and even repeat offenders who return even after being banned numerous times, which has even forced the site to have more moderators to manage scammers than mods for thread problems. To my knowledge (and logic), the site only supports people trading within the United States, which obviously has stricter laws and enforcement on mail scams than there are for international situations. Despite all of their efforts, they still have people trying to rip off others all the time. Given the nature of how easy it is to set up a website that even looks legit, plus crossing international lines in many cases, this site would be inviting the worst kind of activity where people would be spending large amounts on electronics that will never be delivered.
There's already a pretty good standard of people searching around and asking the forum if others have dealt with a specific site/seller before....which seems to usually just get more people suggesting expansys (why oh why can't there be a decent seller in the US?)
270 views and only 12 votes.im quite surprised with the level of interest of this idea.this does not look like it will fly here
are there any other good sites that provide for what im asking?
I've only been a member a couple of weeks (lurked previously) but like mentioned above, I see this forum as a development/support tool, not a marketplace. It's a place people come to learn about a device they've already got, or are getting. I undertand the reasoning behind your suggestion, but there are many, many other sources of purchase information/price comparison sites on the internet. I spent weeks researching prices before deciding on how to buy my Touch HD and to be honest, on that particular point, this site didn't really enter into it. It does now, obviously.
There are many sites in the UK that compare mobile phone prices, whether they be handset only, pay as you go, or monthly contract. I'm surprised there aren't similar sites elsewhere in the world.
I cannot vouch for any of these sites, use at your own risk, etc, etc, but I used them during my search for the best package:
http://www.mobiles.co.uk/
http://www.moneysupermarket.com/MobilePhones/default.aspx
http://www.mobile-phones.co.uk/
http://www.dialaphone.co.uk/compare_phones.html
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.this does not look like it will fly here
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it flew check the new section
No one is allowed to say XDA Developers is resistant to change ever again.
JimmyMcGee said:
No one is allowed to say XDA Developers is resistant to change ever again.
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Can I have an Omnia forum then, please
Dave
DaveShaw said:
Can I have an Omnia forum then, please
Dave
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I reject your change and substitute my own!
Hello,
just wanted to request an official Motorola Defy section here at xda-developers.
I think the section is urgently needed since the Defy sells quite good (good price!) and people are interessted in modifying it.
But they don't have a discussion platform so that it gets hard to work with the phone.
If there'll be no Defy section, I think, there'll be many threads regarding the Motorola Defy spread all over xda...not a good imagination.
I would like to see the section soon
Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
DunkDream
Cool beans, I am supportive of this endeavor as well
+1 for a defy section
i completly agree with you a section is urgently needed for the Motorola Defy
Agree. It would be great
Agree!!!
Check out the twin thread in General discussion, there are many other people who ask for a defy section.
Of course, +1 for a defy section
+1 for a defy section
also see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=787007
and http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=822391
Yup, we need own defy section.
+1 for a defy section
+1 for me as well
+1 for me, it is in the Top 10 selling list in Germany
+1 for Defy section !
first post because I registered here so I could "vote" for a Defy section.
+1
it's about time..
Deffo +1 for Defy section, its my next phone and I'm getting one next week, hopefully we'll have one by then
Somehow our threads don't get the attention of some moderator.
Does anybody have an idea to which persons we should send PMs regarding the category?
I really want to talk about the bootloader etc. since it's quite important.
I think there's much work that needs to be done with the DEFY.
OK people.
Got news.
Svetius told me, that they will set up a Motorola Defy category early next week.
Good news I guess.
Hope the Defy community will grow in the future...it's a greeeaaat phone!
I'm looking forward to work with you guys
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Somehow our threads don't get the attention of some moderator.
Does anybody have an idea to which persons we should send PMs regarding the category?
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The OP of the New Forums on XDA thread ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=616206 ) where I posted the other threads talking about the DEFY. At least that is my understanding.
Hopefully it will be noticed in that thread now that some others are adding their votes over there and a PM won't be necessary, but time will tell.
danbutter said:
The OP of the New Forums on XDA thread ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=616206 ) where I posted the other threads talking about the DEFY. At least that is my understanding.
Hopefully it will be noticed in that thread now that some others are adding their votes over there and a PM won't be necessary, but time will tell.
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Like I said, svetius already told me that we'll have a Defy category early next week
getting mine delivered tomorrow, this is an awesome device and very understated imo. At £115 for the phone and £10 per month (100 mins/100text/free booster/unlimited internet) on a 2 year contract direct from t mobile here in the UK, thats a total contract price of £355 - the phone itself retails at between £300-£330, its also a bloody bargain. And the because its bought directly from t-mobile you get the proper mobile internet plus package that gives you 3GB allowance and access to higher download speed (as opposed to 1gb if you purchased from somewhere else)
looking forward to getting it rooted and doing a bit of modding whoop!
(apologises as you can see I'm new phone happy)
Preface:
I'm very aware that this is a primarily HTC device forum.
However it has a great community of developers that are working across multiple platforms to make android devices better for the community as a whole.
That being said i'd love to see a forum for these wifi-only tablets there is a growing community of people with these tablets searching for help with them.
There's already a 14 page Thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=836128 and several other smaller threads about them.
All the info i've been able to locate about these tablets is scattered in rogue threads around several forums and it would be nice to have a place to get it all together.
I think that with the exposure this forum gets it would be the ideal place to see the development for this tablet take off. It's a budget oriented tablet that is going to continue to see sales. It's currently available in at least 4 major retailers in the US Toys 'R' Us, Sears, K-mart, and Hastings.
If this thread is out of place please forgive me. If there is another thread already requesting a forum then please close this one.
I would recommend another tablet though. 1 week after getting one of these for my daughter the tablet locked up so hard I can't even use android tools to access. Now, several weeks and several unresponded-to emails later, including Sylvania's direct line in Denver, I still have a brick with a warranty that sucks.
Whether or not this is in interesting tab....I wouldn't buy anything from this crap of a company based on my experience with their service.
Examples, no phone on web site despite contact info for Digital Gadgets support. Emails not responded to now for 3 weeks. 10 days since call to Denver where they said I would "hear from them in a day or two".
I am calling my attorney general to complain about the seller not honoring a return and Sylvania for not honoring their warranty.
Hi Xda team,
We want to run a contest & giveaway some prize (may be 1 yr dropbox pro membership) or $100 gift coupons for few of our early testers. We believe that stays as motivation for the early testers. It'll be productive for both user & us.
Before starting the thread, we want to know if it is allowed in here. We'll be completely transparent in awarding the prizes (may be we'll ask a mod to do a random.org ).
Is it allowed? Can i start the thread?
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Hi Xda team,
We want to run a contest & giveaway some prize (may be 1 yr dropbox pro membership) or $100 gift coupons for few of our early testers. We believe that stays as motivation for the early testers. It'll be productive for both user & us.
Before starting the thread, we want to know if it is allowed in here. We'll be completely transparent in awarding the prizes (may be we'll ask a mod to do a random.org ).
Is it allowed? Can i start the thread?
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Hi,
I will flag this over to svetius, whom you should probably contact regarding this. As long as you can reach an agreement with him, I don't see why not.
Hi people,
I'll get right to it. If you're here, I am assuming you're into flashing ROMs and customising your device to get that peak performance, If I am right then this post is for you. If you're fine with the stock experience then you can skip this post, go buy that phone, it's worth every cent.
I loved the phone from day one and still do, the issue lies not with the phone but with the community.
The prime means of communication for this group is Telegram. There is an "official" Vince group where users and devs discuss issues share files etc. At least that's what I'd hoped when I joined the group. Never have I ever been so wrong.
It's anything but a group in harmony, there are about 4-6 admins, and only do 2 of them behave responsibly, The rest are just drunk on the power of being an admin of a telegram group (It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.).
Admins use ban kick and mute freehandedly and unreasonably, Anyone with a different opinion to the admins no matter how respectfully put forward will surely grant you a warning (/warn).
To be honest, I wouldn't care so much, all my previous devices I never had to join a telegram group because I didn't need to. The devs were open and communicated via XDA itself, problems were resolved at a reasonable speed (not that they were obliged to) and honestly, if a ROM works there's really no need to contact the admin, you wouldn't find this case with Vince, there'll be bugs and when you report them, hold your breath for the warn.
I still strode forward, overlooking these shortcomings of the community (mainly admins but users are at fault too), Here's your average day on the group.
Until one day, the admins had a bright idea to set an automated response to whenever anyone wrote "best"
They used the meme from Black Panther (The relation is still unknown) with the photoshopped head of the Prime Minister of India.
day
It didn't follow the outrage I expected thankfully but rather 2-3 people politely asked the admins to remove it. On refusing the argument heated a bit
At this time I'd had enough. I was getting tired of these obnoxious people trolling the entire community day in day out. The sad thing was the trolls were the admins...
And of course he couldn't take his own advice, not surprising tbh
Further admins promote snake oil techniques which have 0 benefit, which includes
1) Disconnecting and reconnecting battery to fix idle drain ... (what even?)
2) This is a real gem, I'll just post a screen of it
Also realise how admin's don't follow the rules themselves, but failure to follow the rules on your end is an insta-ban.
This is the state of the community of Vince, the development is even more lagging, All Oreo roms are basically cosmetic changes on but the same rom, they'll have the same issues bugs drain. There's one developer working on pie who comes on telegram and cusses the entire community for not trying his ROM, I get it, they are not obligated to work for the device and I appreciate it, but I as a user am not obligated to test a buggy ROM on my daily driver, I am sorry.
Only the community can fix this, bring the change they want to see, stop treating admins like they are God's so they can walk all over you, or let them and let the situation stay the same.
Peace oot.
Every ROM here in XDA has it's own thread where you can get instructions and help from other forum members. You don't need to be in a Telegram group for that.
Please take the drama elsewere, thread reported.
But what devs do with devices doesn't mean with buy or not a device, I joined too to telegram group, but I thought is not a ordened way to share things, so I left it.
no no, he does not talk the forum badly -
this is about the R5 + (Vince) ... and diesbzgl. are all Rom's a big disappointment ... whether listlessness, half-heartedness or inability ...
that's another chapter.
but VERY disappointed you can be !!!
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This is not the right place for a thread like this. Please feel free to take up concerns with people in the correct channels, but XDA is not the place for Telegram issues.
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