Has anyone considered a rooting processing by spoofing the OTA download for the Fire TV and/or Fire TV Stick? There has been a ton of research on how to block the OTA by modifying your local router's DNS. I know with DDWRT you can easily point the Amazon FQDN URLs to a local machine and have that can pretend to be the Amazon servers. For example:
Services > DNSMasq:
address=/amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net/192.168.1.100
address=/softwareupdates.amazon.com/192.168.1.100
address=/firs-ta-g7g.amazon.com/192.168.1.100
I wonder if there is a way to place a rooted image or perhaps a way to drop 'su' on the device by have the OTA check go out to a fake OTA server.
Just throwing that out there in case someone who understands the Fire TV OTA process better hadn't thought of this. Probably not possible for some reason, but who knows.
Thanks
Not sure, I guess there will be some certificate verification process?
falk0069 said:
Has anyone considered a rooting processing by spoofing the OTA download for the Fire TV and/or Fire TV Stick? There has been a ton of research on how to block the OTA by modifying your local router's DNS. I know with DDWRT you can easily point the Amazon FQDN URLs to a local machine and have that can pretend to be the Amazon servers. For example:
Services > DNSMasq:
address=/amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net/192.168.1.100
address=/softwareupdates.amazon.com/192.168.1.100
address=/firs-ta-g7g.amazon.com/192.168.1.100
I wonder if there is a way to place a rooted image or perhaps a way to drop 'su' on the device by have the OTA check go out to a fake OTA server.
Just throwing that out there in case someone who understands the Fire TV OTA process better hadn't thought of this. Probably not possible for some reason, but who knows.
Thanks
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gadget1999 said:
Not sure, I guess there will be some certificate verification process?
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This has been discussed multiple times. The package has to be signed.
51.1.1.0 fire tv firmware on fire tv stick?
I wonder what would happen if we tricked the fire tv stick to download the last rootable fire tv firmware (51.1.1.0)? That should be a properly signed binary. How close are the firmwares? Probably a guarantee brick but who knows?
falk0069 said:
I wonder what would happen if we tricked the fire tv stick to download the last rootable fire tv firmware (51.1.1.0)? That should be a properly signed binary. How close are the firmwares? Probably a guarantee brick but who knows?
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I doubt that would work,
You can boot into recovery no problem, but it wont let you flash a rootable version onto a non-rootable version, no downgrade IIRC.
falk0069 said:
I wonder what would happen if we tricked the fire tv stick to download the last rootable fire tv firmware (51.1.1.0)? That should be a properly signed binary. How close are the firmwares? Probably a guarantee brick but who knows?
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They are no where near the same. Not to mention the fact that the assert at the top of the script will not let a fire tv (bueller) update run on a fire tv stick (montoya i think?).
falk0069 said:
Has anyone considered a rooting processing by spoofing the OTA download for the Fire TV and/or Fire TV Stick? There has been a ton of research on how to block the OTA by modifying your local router's DNS. I know with DDWRT you can easily point the Amazon FQDN URLs to a local machine and have that can pretend to be the Amazon servers. For example:
Services > DNSMasq:
address=/amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net/192.168.1.100
address=/softwareupdates.amazon.com/192.168.1.100
address=/firs-ta-g7g.amazon.com/192.168.1.100
I wonder if there is a way to place a rooted image or perhaps a way to drop 'su' on the device by have the OTA check go out to a fake OTA server.
Just throwing that out there in case someone who understands the Fire TV OTA process better hadn't thought of this. Probably not possible for some reason, but who knows.
Thanks
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flash unsigned code = brick.
rbox said:
They are no where near the same. Not to mention the fact that the assert at the top of the script will not let a fire tv (bueller) update run on a fire tv stick (montoya i think?).
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Hardware is way to different between the 2 so yeah not possible at all to do that.
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Right, I just plugged in my new Fire TV and I cannot progress without Upgrading. I have logged on to my router and I have the IP address of the AFTV . Is there anything I can try remotely (via SSH perhaps) to bypass the upgrade?
Thanks in advance.
hi,
i dont have one yet but done some research and you can do the following:
Block Connection to amazon servers
Enter your router settings page and block access to the following pages:
Code:
http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net
http://softwareupdates.amazon.com
Unsure this will work on the UK version though
Could you let us know what FW version comes with it?
I had already blocked those pages, and I also tried just blocking the second page. Both had the same effect and resulted in me not being able to progress with the install.
This also means I am unable to report the Firmware version.
To add to this, I inadvertently unblocked the websites after rebooting my rooter and the FTV updated itself.
I am on Firmware Version 51.1.4.0_user_514006420 and cannot root. Hopefully someone is working on an exploit for this, but in the meantime I'll be using it without root.
What's root good for on these things anyway!?
TylerDurdenK said:
To add to this, I inadvertently unblocked the websites after rebooting my rooter and the FTV updated itself.
I am on Firmware Version 51.1.4.0_user_514006420 and cannot root. Hopefully someone is working on an exploit for this, but in the meantime I'll be using it without root.
What's root good for on these things anyway!?
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Don't feel bad about inadvertently unblocking the website. There is currently no known method to block the forced updates on newer Fire TVs. Units that ship with 51.1.3.0 or newer are now all forcing the first update during setup.
If the Fire TV displays a language selection prompt during setup, which I assume yours did, then it is already running 51.1.3.0 or newer software.
AFTVnews.com said:
Don't feel bad about inadvertently unblocking the website. There is currently no known method to block the forced updates on newer Fire TVs. Units that ship with 51.1.3.0 or newer are now all forcing the first update during setup.
If the Fire TV displays a language selection prompt during setup, which I assume yours did, then it is already running 51.1.3.0 or newer software.
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Grr! My UK version just arrived, and it will not let me do anything unless it upgrades. I so wanted root for USB access!
Lisali said:
Grr! My UK version just arrived, and it will not let me do anything unless it upgrades. I so wanted root for USB access!
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It doesn't really matter. It ships with an unrootable version to begin with.
Lisali said:
Grr! My UK version just arrived, and it will not let me do anything unless it upgrades. I so wanted root for USB access!
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rbox said:
It doesn't really matter. It ships with an unrootable version to begin with.
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This has been known since the German release. You just got to wait & hope for a new root method.
I bought a Fire from PC World yesterday, after several frustrating hours discovering that there's not much hope of it being rooted I had a look on Ebay, I've seen several rooted ones that seem to be quite good value, but they are in the states.
I have absolutely no intention of using my Amazon account on them, I only really want it for XBMC and all the rooted goodness and I'm sure there'll be a killer app that makes a rooted fire a very hot property indeed.
Question is, will a US fire TV work OK over here ?
Anyone know.
Thanks in advance.
Yes, it will work fine out of the box, apart from needing a US to UK plug adapter. Only things to be aware - you'll need to block updates so the box does not update to a firmware that removes root (which it will eventually try to do). And, if you want to update to a newer firmware manually and keep root, then you will need to use a custom recovery and a pre-rooted firmware update file. Manual updates is probably not vital though if you are only using it for XBMC.
Some useful guides over at aftvnews.com. First one may not be relevant if you're buying pre-rooted.
How to determine Fire TV Software Version and Rootability on First Setup Screen
How to block OTA update for Amazon Fire TV and keep Root Access
How to update a Rooted Amazon Fire TV to the Latest Version Without Losing Root
I want to unblock the updates so I can get Alexa. I am currently using Kodi and I am on software version 51.1.63_user_blahblah. I am not sure how that version number translates to the versions listed in the general forum (ie. 5.0.X format)
Will it wipe out Kodi and will I have to reload? Or will it leave it intact or will it ruin using Kodi.
Why would I want not want to upgrade? EDIT: It is a fire TV, not a stick.
Questions for you-
1.Is your Fire Tv rooted?
2. Fire Tv gen 1?
3.You want to update with root?
4.Or without root?
5.I take it you want your Fire Tv on OS5 software?
What ever firmware your on at the time being Kodi is not blocked or un-usable, on the AFTV2 you can root upto the latest firmware, there is gonna be a OS5 rooted rom (software) available soon from the Developer called rbox, he's just finished the AFTV2 version & he said he will make the OS5 version for the AFTV gen 1 user's soon. You don't have to have a rooted device to run Kodi.
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deanr1977 said:
Questions for you-
1.Is your Fire Tv rooted?
2. Fire Tv gen 1?
3.You want to update with root?
4.Or without root?
5.I take it you want your Fire Tv on OS5 software?
What ever firmware your on at the time being Kodi is not blocked or un-usable, on the AFTV2 you can root upto the latest firmware, there is gonna be a OS5 rooted rom (software) available soon from the Developer called rbox, he's just finished the AFTV2 version & he said he will make the OS5 version for the AFTV gen 1 user's soon. You don't have to have a rooted device to run Kodi.
Hope this helps If so press that thanks button
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This is terrible, but I did it a long time ago. I don't think I am rooted. I think I just pushed kodi on it and then I ran something or ran some shell commands to stop updating. I know I should know!! LOL
I have gone through 3 computers and 6 hard drives to find out if I downloaded a utility to root. But I can't find anything but the download of the kodi .apk. So I am pretty sure I am not rooted.
I am not rooted. Didn't an update take out rooted units a while back? I remember reading that and installing kodi without root.
But I did something to block the updates.
1.Is your Fire Tv rooted? NO
2. Fire Tv gen 1? YES
3.You want to update with root? If I can avoid root I would like to. I play with enough devices. LOL
4.Or without root? YES
5.I take it you want your Fire Tv on OS5 software? Where are you getting the OS version? Mine shows as in my original post.
Now I just have to figure out what the hell I did to block updates. Off to the search window.......
Start here mate -
http://www.aftvnews.com/start/
Check the compatible root serial or update number on your Gen1, if you blocked updates You "should" have root still? If you have root I'd wait then update when rbox brings out the rom for the OS5 software which will update you to the latest firmware. Or you could get a free app on your phone that needs root (es explorer or file manager & try to use r/w in the file manager Or turn on root settings) sidelong it to your fire tv, if it fails you don't have root.
Hope this helps If so press that thanks button
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Install TWRP and flash an older rooted image or is there something HW wise on these newer devices that prevents this? I am unsure what version of the OS this came w/ but I did just get it last week. Is there any recovery or way to image my current system in case I brick this thing before flashing TWRP?
I've been reading rooting methods and I'm reading that the requirement "was" A Fire TV 2 running stock software version 5.0.5.1 or older but I'm unsure if this is an obsolete post at this point.
Thanks much, Dave
TT_Vert said:
Install TWRP and flash an older rooted image or is there something HW wise on these newer devices that prevents this? I am unsure what version of the OS this came w/ but I did just get it last week. Is there any recovery or way to image my current system in case I brick this thing before flashing TWRP?
I've been reading rooting methods and I'm reading that the requirement "was" A Fire TV 2 running stock software version 5.0.5.1 or older but I'm unsure if this is an obsolete post at this point.
Thanks much, Dave
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Sadly no the current version is not rootable.
Here is a guide to everything about root on a Fire TV.
http://www.aftvnews.com/start/
Yeah that is what I saw, wasn't sure it was still current. And from what I've read there really is no way to stop OS updates aside from somehow intercepting packets at the router right?
TT_Vert said:
Yeah that is what I saw, wasn't sure it was still current. And from what I've read there really is no way to stop OS updates aside from somehow intercepting packets at the router right?
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There is a way to block them...
http://www.aftvnews.com/how-to-block-software-updates-on-the-amazon-fire-tv-or-fire-tv-stick/
I think in your case it will be Method 2. Elias over at AFTVNews.com keeps the Start Guide Updated. It's the go to site for guides & latest info.
Doesn't seem like this is an option as i'm on 5.2.4.1 "This method requires Fire OS 5.0.0 thru 5.0.5.1 to be installed on your Fire TV or Fire TV Stick to work. "
For now I just blocked those URLS on my router we'll see if that helps. Hopefully they don't change where the updates come from.
Dave
TT_Vert said:
Doesn't seem like this is an option as i'm on 5.2.4.1 "This method requires Fire OS 5.0.0 thru 5.0.5.1 to be installed on your Fire TV or Fire TV Stick to work. "
For now I just blocked those URLS on my router we'll see if that helps. Hopefully they don't change where the updates come from.
Dave
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Method 2 is a better solution. Blocking updates thru router can sometimes block other Amazon content. And you can never really have a full list of all the possible IP's. If you can solder, there might be a hardware option for your device. Not sure.
Yes I can solder but I'm not going to break it open to root it. Method two is for people who are on an older version as I quoted before.
Dave
TT_Vert said:
Yes I can solder but I'm not going to break it open to root it. Method two is for people who are on an older version as I quoted before.
Dave
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Try it. That part about the FW range might be outdated. You won't mess anything up by testing that command. Since if something change it won't find the file it is trying to hide or the hide command will be off. I don't have any unrooted devices here to test it for you. But my best guess is that it still works.
The Router/OpenDNS method of blocking things might block more then just the updates. And the list fluctuates, so it's not 100% proof. So it's good to stay away if possible.
Hi guys,
I have a fully customized and rooted mantis stick, and I have 3 other mantis sticks that unfortunately I cannot root due to their software versions. I was just wondering, with prime day coming up, are there any devices that we can buy that will be able to be rooted? What are your recommendations for Amazon devices to purchase on prime day?
mikewolski said:
I have 3 other mantis sticks that unfortunately I cannot root due to their software versions.
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Idk if you're aware of it, but kamakiri 2.x works up to <6.2.8.7 without shorting (i.e. the sticks OS needs to be lower than 6.2.8.7).
mikewolski said:
I was just wondering, with prime day coming up, are there any devices that we can buy that will be able to be rooted? What are your recommendations for Amazon devices to purchase on prime day?
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Maybe a fireTVstick lite or the fireTVstick 3rd gen...
[UNLOCK][ROOT][TWRP][UNBRICK] Fire TV Stick 3 and Fire TV Stick Lite (sheldon/p)
Read this whole guide before starting. This is for the 3rd gen Fire TV Stick (sheldonp) and Fire TV Stick Lite (sheldon). NOTE: FireOS < 7.2.7.3 required NOTE: This process does not require you to open your device. What you need: A Linux...
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Thanks, but I just checked and they are on 6.2.9.
There are no rooting methods for any of the current FireOS versions. But if you buy a new FireTV device, they are shipped with older firmware versions that are rootable.
When you first setup the device, it will try to update to the most recent firmware. Skip that update process by following this guide:
How to Skip Software Updates during Initial Setup or Factory Reset on a Fire TV, Firestick, or Fire TV Cube
Since the latest software update for Fire TV devices is blocking the ability to use custom launchers, you may want to avoid updating a new or factory reset Fire TV.
www.aftvnews.com
I believe the 3rd gen FireSticks and 2nd gen Cube are shipped with firmware that is rootable. You may even be able to find a 4k Stick shipped with older firmware that is rootable.
Fire TV Original Android Development
Original Android development for the Amazon Fire TV
forum.xda-developers.com
Only the 4k Max currently has no rooting method.
Finnzz said:
When you first setup the device, it will try to update to the most recent firmware
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In case of the fireTV-Stick lite or the 3rd gen Stick, it's best to keep the device offline and try/do the unlock first...
Finnzz said:
There are no rooting methods for any of the current FireOS versions. But if you buy a new FireTV device, they are shipped with older firmware versions that are rootable.
When you first setup the device, it will try to update to the most recent firmware. Skip that update process by following this guide:
How to Skip Software Updates during Initial Setup or Factory Reset on a Fire TV, Firestick, or Fire TV Cube
Since the latest software update for Fire TV devices is blocking the ability to use custom launchers, you may want to avoid updating a new or factory reset Fire TV.
www.aftvnews.com
I believe the 3rd gen FireSticks and 2nd gen Cube are shipped with firmware that is rootable. You may even be able to find a 4k Stick shipped with older firmware that is rootable.
Fire TV Original Android Development
Original Android development for the Amazon Fire TV
forum.xda-developers.com
Only the 4k Max currently has no rooting method.
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Good to know, thank you!
Hey guys, so I'm looking at going with either the 3rd gen firestick or the 2nd gen cube or maybe I'll grab one of each. I was only able to find the thread about a temporary root for the cube. Is that the only way to root it? The 3rd gen stick looks promising since it can be rooted and loaded with custom roms, but it's kind of a bummer it can't do 4k. Do you think the 4k max will ever be rootable?
Temp unlock is all there is for the Cube. You could try getting a 4k stick (2018 model) maybe you'll get lucky and it will ship with an old enough firmware that is rootable?
It's not easy to predict if a device will be rooted. It requires a security researcher finding a vulnerability in the hardware/software, and then someone to apply that vulnerability to the Firetv device.
And if anyone was working on an exploit for the 4k Max they probably wouldn't say anything about it until it was ready for release.
Can Confirm Firestick 4k VM2402 Still Rootable OOB
As stated, for all who are interested/looking. The CURRENT Firestick 4k , direct from Amazon is still 100% Unlock/Rootable. I have had the first release, for a while and it finally burned out. So i took the plunge and ordered a brand new...
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firestick 4k - currently being sold under normal everyday sales.... ummm 39.99 on sale today actually, reg 49.99, and AFAIK there is no upcoming device in the near future (6-8 months at least) planning to replace it. It is still Amazons top selling model, so pick up 1 or 50.. but they are there and being sold right now!