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[Q] sgs2 not compatible with Google Maps 5.7.0

Hi,
I try to update Google Maps to version 5.7.0, but Android Market claims that "This app is incompatible with your android."
regards

I got update notification from Market itself. I chose to update and it works well. Not sure why it is giving you this error.

I installed after using Market Enabler and changing the country to USA.

Akbhar said:
I installed after using Market Enabler and changing the country to USA.
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do this
same with Google+ and etc

[SOLVED] sgs2 not compatible with Google Maps 5.7.0Arrow
Akbhar said:
I installed after using Market Enabler and changing the country to USA.
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Thanks, problem solved.

Just had the same thing - strange.
Used market enabler to fake location but no joy.
found the apk here
Installed fine and seems to work perfectly

why is it not compatible in the first place??
the sgs2 has the fantastic hardware (dual core and ample ram) and the latest android version.
why slower phones able to support but not the s2?

Ray1 said:
why is it not compatible in the first place??
the sgs2 has the fantastic hardware (dual core and ample ram) and the latest android version.
why slower phones able to support but not the s2?
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There is no problem with the phone! It's perfectly compatible with the latest google maps version.
It's a problem of some locations, as not all locations have access to the latest google maps version. Android market will check your location first and if it is not entitled for an upgrade you will get this error message.
The workaround is to fake your location as mentioned in previous posts.

I'm on 5.9.0 which was pushed through the market. No probs! BTW, I'm in the Netherlands.

bryanchapman9999 said:
Just had the same thing - strange.
Used market enabler to fake location but no joy.
found the apk here
Installed fine and seems to work perfectly
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Here is the cause of my problem - running a DPI that differs from the norm

for me was the dpi. Change to stock (240dpi) and everything is fine

I doubt that's the issue. I run 210dpi and i can install it through the market. Even if the online (desktop) market says 'incompatible with your device' you can still search it and install.

bryanchapman9999 said:
Here is the cause of my problem - running a DPI that differs from the norm
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Another link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1205594
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No Google Now after 4.3

I have been running 4.1.2 for a long time and google now always worked fine. When the 4.4 home screen apks came out I installed them and was really enjoying having google now as a homescreen page. Last week I installed the ditto note rom and ever since then I can not get google now to work, I have tried everything that I have found when searching (Why doesn't xda search support speech marks though?) Last night I did a super wipe and installed pheonix rom but still the problem persists. What am I doing wrong?
Since installing DN3 I have tried:
changing language to english us - still no google now
changing to english uk and downloading offline data - still no google now
clearing google search app data - still no google now
upgrading google search to lastest version - still no google now
downgrading to dn3 default version - - still no google now
installing 4.4 apks - still no google now
super wipe and install phoenix rom - still no google now (shouldn't superwipe kill any possibility of it being something on phone that did it?)
languages again - still no google now
installing launcher enabler - still no google now
So is it one of the following?
Google decided that an English speaker in China doesn't get google now anymore? On the exact day I upgraded my rom?
I'm being punished for installing the 4.4 apks early?
These two roms don't support google now?
superwipe isn't super?
Google now was bad for me and the universe is staging an intervention?
Please help

Im living in China too and have this problem on my nexus 4

AntiNSA said:
Im living in China too and have this problem on my nexus 4
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Hmmm.. looks like it must be something similar to how location reporting got disabled for many countries.. For a company that talks so much about transparency I sure wish they would explain why they are disabling these features that used to work fine simply because I happen to be in another country. Is it an international law thing?

joshofbass said:
Hmmm.. looks like it must be something similar to how location reporting got disabled for many countries.. For a company that talks so much about transparency I sure wish they would explain why they are disabling these features that used to work fine simply because I happen to be in another country. Is it an international law thing?
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It makes me really uupset to. I know that google now/voice search requires active location settings... I think the Chinese government demanded that googole disable location tracking for internal security (closed market/monopoly),,,,
I dont want to see maps blocked here s I guess it is a balancing act. I hate to see the other features of googe blocked....

From what I can tell it works perfectly fine if you set it up from an earlier version of google search.. For me that means probably a reflash without install search then finding an earlier apk version to initialize it.. Will report back on progress..

joshofbass said:
From what I can tell it works perfectly fine if you set it up from an earlier version of google search.. For me that means probably a reflash without install search then finding an earlier apk version to initialize it.. Will report back on progress..
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Success!
What worked for me was:
I reflashed the rom I was using but chose not to install google search as a system app. You could just try to remove the app with Titanium, it should have the same effect.
On first boot I didn't sign in to google at all. Instead I first installed the search2.6 apk from the below link.
Then I opened google play and signed in and quickly went to turn off auto update.
Then I opened google search and it asked me to opt-in to google now.
Once it was all running I went back to google play and let it update and also installed the launcher enabler app.
Hope this helps someone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47492354&postcount=106

Great! Let me know if you can make it work also let me know if the Google now, voice search works with the new KitKat and old search apk
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working just fine for me
I am using pohnix rom v15 with 4.3 and google now is workin!!

AntiNSA said:
Great! Let me know if you can make it work also let me know if the Google now, voice search works with the new KitKat and old search apk
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Working 100% now. I'm pretty sure it's a location at time of setup issue. Good luck trying it on your nexus4.

OS 4.6.1 vs 3.6.8(unlocked GSM 32gig)

Fire OS 4.6.1 on unlocked GSM 32gig Fire Phone
Notable changes,
Finally we have native wallpaper support
Different slightly improved lock screen notifications
Smart dialer
Ability to switch default SMS/MMS and Keyboard apps
New Dev. Options
Ability to force quit and(or) Disable bloatware apps
Widgets seem to be working well
More detailed settings for Low Motion/Dynamic perspective(specifically for lockscreen, homescreen, and maps)
Google maps is now seemingly 100% functional
Ability to toggle switch cellular data(2g,3g,LTE)
Google Play and GAPPs still working well
Also we now have a bluetooth keyboard config. in our settings
New Emoticons
Status bar is semi-transparent and looks really nice despite lack of persistent icon notifications
Addition of print services pack(HP, Canon, Epson)
Updated Sounds and Notifications settings(
Things that sadly remained the same
No status bar notifications
Cannot individually clear calls or messages from carousel
Still not native android
Notifications seem hit and miss as usual
No Graphical updates or graphical setting in stock message or dialer apps
Camera seems to be the same and I'm still having having better luck with the google camera
App drawer functions the same(new options in app info though)
Overall function of the O.S. seems to improve a lot. Smooth scrolling through the carousel, less if not no lag at all on sleep/wake, and just all in all more pleasing to look at.
I updated manually by downloading the .bin and moving it to the home folder and searching for update with wifi/data off, and because of that I am unsure if the new att bloatware apps were part of the update due to my carrier or if they were packaged inside the update bin which was a shocking 1.3gb. Even though I am fairly certain that those apps are my fault in the first place I feel the need to warn that the U.S. att .bin file could have that affect and unlocked users may want to wait for the OTA just to play it safe. There is however a great guide on here explaining the process and linking quite a few files(for those who can't wait).
**This did work for me however if it does not work for you I am not at fault, sideload at your own risk**
Feel free to add what you find I know I missed a few things but since there is no apparent changelog from amazon I figured I'd try to compile a small unofficial changelog of sorts.
Tried Towelroot Its been hung at the towelroot screen with a highlighted "make it rain" button for about ten mins... I'm going to leave it running for a while and see if anything happens but I'm assuming its still a no go.
I've seen issues regarding call audio, google services and a few other things but I personally haven't been able to recreate them and fortunately haven't had them in the first place.

Camera seems faster in taking photos for me. Also there is an auto HDR setting, before it was either on or off.

buhloon said:
Camera seems faster in taking photos for me. Also there is an auto HDR setting, before it was either on or off.
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I didnt notice that but in my opinion so far the google cam seems to just take better pictures in general
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matsnackson said:
I didnt notice that but in my opinion so far the google cam seems to just take better pictures in general
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So, matsnackson do you think that is better to install (sideload) the Google-Camera APP, and used it instead of the default Amazon Camera APP?
Could you please, let us know what differences or improvements do you have noticed, if you use the Google Camara APP instead of the Amazon one?

Notable changes
- Chooseable colors for mail accounts and calendars, but there aren't too much colors to choose to.
Things that sadly remained the same
- Shared Google calendars won't show up in the/any calendar app, that's very very annoying

Still can't connect to my LG g Watch

Android Wear or Google now not working
hungrymr2 said:
Still can't connect to my LG g Watch
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I second your opinion as I have not been able to conect my LG G watch to Fire phone with 4.6.1.
Also sideloding Google play services and play store worked fine for few minutes after which the play services auto updates when I install google search and now from Playstore.
After this any sideloaded google apps start hanging with white screen and circle clock running. Uninstall and install after factory resets also did not help.

ulises.rodriguez said:
So, matsnackson do you think that is better to install (sideload) the Google-Camera APP, and used it instead of the default Amazon Camera APP?
Could you please, let us know what differences or improvements do you have noticed, if you use the Google Camara APP instead of the Amazon one?
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s.raghuveer said:
I second your opinion as I have not been able to conect my LG G watch to Fire phone with 4.6.1.
Also sideloding Google play services and play store worked fine for few minutes after which the play services auto updates when I install google search and now from Playstore.
After this any sideloaded google apps start hanging with white screen and circle clock running. Uninstall and install after factory resets also did not help.
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I've been using the stock camera app for a few days and it seems to be better than I first thought but I still prefer the google camera app, but at this point it seems to be my personal preference... I really just feel more comfortable with the google camera app.(long time nexus user)
I have seen quite a few people with the google play issues and I tried removing then reloading google services and google play but i havent had any issues the only advice i can give is to remove and try again making sure to pay close attention to the order you install the packages(there is a specific order, and a few great guides on here)

The LG watch seems to be common issue as well but I don’t have one to test with, I'll look into buying one and see what I can do. Until then the only advice I have is to unpair the watch and your phone and reboot before attemting to repair the two. Good luck and sorry.

s.raghuveer said:
I second your opinion as I have not been able to conect my LG G watch to Fire phone with 4.6.1.
Also sideloding Google play services and play store worked fine for few minutes after which the play services auto updates when I install google search and now from Playstore.
After this any sideloaded google apps start hanging with white screen and circle clock running. Uninstall and install after factory resets also did not help.
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I'll third this. I feel like Amazon is intentionally crippling Google services, and I've already ordered a replacement phone.
These are services that run fine on what, 99% of Android phones?

tzenrick said:
I'll third this. I feel like Amazon is intentionally crippling Google services, and I've already ordered a replacement phone.
These are services that run fine on what, 99% of Android phones?
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Honestly I don't think this is intentionally being done by either side, we run an outdated version of android so naturally were going to see at least a few compatibility issues, have you tried a factory reset and full reload of play services in order? Also be patient with 4.6.1 from everything I've read its not technically official on the unlocked phones yet.
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Download Notification
Download in Notification bar now shows Pause/Resume & Cancel options.

TansDeva said:
Download in Notification bar now shows Pause/Resume & Cancel options.
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I don't download too much on here so I hadn't even noticed thanks for adding in though
I did want to add in as well that my battery life seems much better than before I actually forgot to charge this for two days and still had 30%( I disabled low motion setting and don't use auto brightness, but none the less that's a great battery life)
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I'm looking forward to the update. I feel changing your keyboard is a few months late, but I'd be happy to finally have swiftkey back. I'm running an unlocked Fire Phone with 3.6.8. Amazon doesn't even acknowledge a new update on their Fire Phone update page. Perhaps it's in some sort of beta as they harvest data before making it official?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201531560

LilLowEK said:
I'm looking forward to the update. I feel changing your keyboard is a few months late, but I'd be happy to finally have swiftkey back. I'm running an unlocked Fire Phone with 3.6.8. Amazon doesn't even acknowledge a new update on their Fire Phone update page. Perhaps it's in some sort of beta as they harvest data before making it official?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201531560
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That was cleared up in the OTA thread this is unofficial at this point those who have it either got lucky or manually installed it, I personally used the at&t bin file even though I have the unlocked 32gig.
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Working Widgets?
matsnackson said:
Fire OS 4.6.1 on unlocked GSM 32gig Fire Phone
Notable changes,
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Widgets seem to be working well
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Which launcher did you use? I tried it on Nova Launcher and Aviate and it still gives me the same error message as before

Smart Dialer? I don't see it.
matsnackson said:
Fire OS 4.6.1 on unlocked GSM 32gig Fire Phone
Notable changes,
Finally we have native wallpaper support
Different slightly improved lock screen notifications
Smart dialer
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I don't see smart dialer. I had one in my MOTO-X.

downloaded the us version of 4.6 and guess what? Andriod wear is back. Now I can finally put my lg watch to use.

Guys,
I got my Fire Phone unlocked updated to new 4.6.1 but after the update I am unable to see the Maps icon. I am currently in Australia but the phone is an unlocked US version. Do I reset or is it something Amazon has done?

[HELP THREAD] Ask any questions [NOOB FRIENDLY]

Welcome everyone!​
This thread has been created for extreme newbies/noobs and for their benefit. Not only noobs, but everyone is free to post questions and also give answers to those questions. Any type of question is allowed as long as it is related about the device. Off-topic discussions are allowed to some extent.

Google Play Store on Chinese Honor view 20 version
Can anybody confirm if they have installed Google Playstore or seen it installed on a Chinese version of Honor View 20

Chattr said:
Can anybody confirm if they have installed Google Playstore or seen it installed on a Chinese version of Honor View 20
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google playstore is easy installed via huawei app center

Chattr said:
Can anybody confirm if they have installed Google Playstore or seen it installed on a Chinese version of Honor View 20
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It is not already installed by default but you can install it.

Big Question for me! I have the Huawei Honor Note 10 i love but one big problem. Google pay doesn't work with it!! Has anyone tried Google Pay with this phone to know if it works?

cocoapapi said:
Big Question for me! I have the Huawei Honor Note 10 i love but one big problem. Google pay doesn't work with it!! Has anyone tried Google Pay with this phone to know if it works?
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Try installing gms installer. It should install most of the Google apps.

What is the Widevine level of the View20? Is Netflix content to be seen in HD 720p or 1080p resolution?

Any chances to get arcore google?

Global firmware?
shashank1320 said:
It is not already installed by default but you can install it.
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One other question regarding the chinese version. I guess the one I bought off aliexpress has already been set up for play store but it looks like there are a lot of features missing. Like when I'm setting up the phone there isn't an option to restore most things like apps and other stuff from my old android (Samsung S6). Looks like only my contacts were restored. So I guess my question is, is there something I'm missing or is this only since this is the chinese version? If the latter is true, can I change the firmware and everything will be alright? I've read somewhere that you can change the firmware by paying a third party (not sure how much or if it even worth it).

SZulu said:
One other question regarding the chinese version. I guess the one I bought off aliexpress has already been set up for play store but it looks like there are a lot of features missing. Like when I'm setting up the phone there isn't an option to restore most things like apps and other stuff from my old android (Samsung S6). Looks like only my contacts were restored. So I guess my question is, is there something I'm missing or is this only since this is the chinese version? If the latter is true, can I change the firmware and everything will be alright? I've read somewhere that you can change the firmware by paying a third party (not sure how much or if it even worth it).
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Its all paid services now and funky Huawei cam help to change the region but that may cost more than 55 USD.
There is setting to restore via phone clone in settings- system- phone clone

shashank1320 said:
Its all paid services now and funky Huawei cam help to change the region but that may cost more than 55 USD.
There is setting to restore via phone clone in settings- system- phone clone
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There doesn't seem to be a "phone clone" option anywhere in settings-system or anywhere else. So I guess if I really want to make it "global" I have to check out funky Huawei. Thank for the reply though

SZulu said:
There doesn't seem to be a "phone clone" option anywhere in settings-system or anywhere else. So I guess if I really want to make it "global" I have to check out funky Huawei. Thank for the reply though
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Install the phone clone application form Play Store and try

cocoapapi said:
Big Question for me! I have the Huawei Honor Note 10 i love but one big problem. Google pay doesn't work with it!! Has anyone tried Google Pay with this phone to know if it works?
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Hi, just to let you know that Google Pay is working on the Honor View 20. Like a charm.
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shashank1320 said:
Install the phone clone application form Play Store and try
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That did the trick, thanks!

Chinese or global version.
I just got my V20 two days ago and so far I am pleasently surprised. However I ordered the chinese version since it was much cheaper for me. Apart from a minor issue copying everything of my previous phone most things are working as they should. There are a few programs like "find my phone" that apparently don't work in my region(Europe). So here is my question, does anyone know if I'm missing out a lot of options/capabilities? I'm just wondering if it would be worth it to rebrand the phone to the global version. Also can someone that has the global version check if the Icelandic language is an option as the system language on the phone? It's not on the chinese one.
Thanks

SZulu said:
I just got my V20 two days ago and so far I am pleasently surprised. However I ordered the chinese version since it was much cheaper for me. Apart from a minor issue copying everything of my previous phone most things are working as they should. There are a few programs like "find my phone" that apparently don't work in my region(Europe). So here is my question, does anyone know if I'm missing out a lot of options/capabilities? I'm just wondering if it would be worth it to rebrand the phone to the global version. Also can someone that has the global version check if the Icelandic language is an option as the system language on the phone? It's not on the chinese one.
Thanks
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Except Google services most of the major features are same on both variants.
If you want to rebrand I suggest you to wait for few days as some one will find a free method instead of paying methods.

cocoapapi said:
Big Question for me! I have the Huawei Honor Note 10 i love but one big problem. Google pay doesn't work with it!! Has anyone tried Google Pay with this phone to know if it works?
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I have installed Google play store and all associated apps with GMS method and it's working fine

SZulu said:
There doesn't seem to be a "phone clone" option anywhere in settings-system or anywhere else. So I guess if I really want to make it "global" I have to check out funky Huawei. Thank for the reply though
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I am using Chinese version and there is clone options under the settings > system as shown in picture

fahadbashir said:
I am using Chinese version and there is clone options under the settings > system as shown in picture
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For some reason the clone option wasn't available but after I found the original app from Huawei and after install it is now showing as an option as well under settings/system. Everything is working now thanks :good:

Anyone know what the random text around my lock screen clock is? Just got the V20 yesterday, and their official support forums in English are dead
There also seem to be far less options available in the phone settings than there should be (I'm not using simple mode) anyone know how to restore all the settings, or am I just being a tit?

Inexplicable autonomous app update behavior when plugged in & wifi on. A real puzzle.

Inexplicable autonomous app update behavior when plugged in & wifi on. A real puzzle.
Facts:
1) Two phones, Pixel 3 and 3 XL, latest patches. Both rooted, running ElementalX and Magisk. Both have same apps installed and settings.
2) Playstore "Auto-update" is disabled, set to "Don't auto-update apps".
3) Play Protect is fully disabled.
4) TiBu has no scheduled jobs
5) No threat/system scanner running
Behavior background:
1) Started noticing a few months ago (so not a patch update issue).
2) Happens only when phone is charging and wifi on (I have wifi set to turn on when plugged in, I have not isolated whether it is caused by one or the other, or both).
3) Seems to happen around/between 10:20 PM and 11:20 PM PST, based on file timestamp.
4) Does not happen every night. I charge the phone (therefore wifi turns on during charge) every night). I have not been able to find a pattern.
The strange behavior I cannot explain:
1) When it happens, a few (can be 1, 2, or 5) apps are found to have been updated on their own.
2) However, these apps are not shown updated in the Playstore and their version remained the same.
3) When I go to data/app, these apps look like they are updated based on time/date stamp (from the night before).
4) However, their version number has not changed, Playstore does not show a recent update.
5) It does not matter when the app was last truly updated or installed. Even disabled app will get this "ghost re-install/update". Apps seem to be picked randomly.
In sum, I find a few apps that get randomly self-updated, but they were really not updated. The version has changed and Playstore does not know anything about it (not on update list). Also, version has not changed. In fact, though, their timestamp show that it was updated.
Here is the kicker--I see the behavior in both phones. AND, they are the same (at least about the same list of) apps that get the "ghost update". If I don't plug in one phone to charge (and wifi not on), that phone does not get the update until the next time it is plugged in.
W-T-F???

What are the apps? Is it always the same ones?

Seemingly random apps, both user-installed and system (e.g., Chrome, Data Transfer Tool). I have not been able to detect a pattern on which app gets this ghost update. I started noticing this late December, best guess.

I almost don't want to even bring this issue back up since I haven't noticed it in a couple of months. I was noticing it a lot on all 6 of my devices (including Pixel 3XL and Pixel 3) because I would go to Titanium Backup and see apps showing as due for backup of a new version. Nothing showed in Play Store, and the App description on Play showed the same version as before with the old last updated date. Either they have fixed it or hidden it better, but it seamed to be some sort of security patch at an app level. Here are a couple of old threads including my Google thread and a couple of reddit threads. I still have an open support case on it, but since it stopped happening and different folks at Google kept ignoring my replies to the man suggesting stupid-a$$ things (like factory resetting my devices and signing off and on with a new user on different devices) I just dropped it.
P.S. I never did notice the plugged in thing, but that is not to say it wasn't happening. I was asleep when it happened as far as I know.
https://productforums.google.com/fo...rce=footer#!msg/play/Pgzokc69Qt8/9V1n27ONBwAJ
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/co...lently_updating_some_apps_even_when/?sort=new
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/co...lently_updating_some_apps_even_when/?sort=new

Found this, too, but it's from 2013: https://arstechnica.com/information...ng-android-apps-possibly-including-facebooks/

sliding_billy said:
I almost don't want to even bring this issue back up since I haven't noticed it in a couple of months. I was noticing it a lot on all 6 of my devices (including Pixel 3XL and Pixel 3) because I would go to Titanium Backup and see apps showing as due for backup of a new version. Nothing showed in Play Store, and the App description on Play showed the same version as before with the old last updated date. Either they have fixed it or hidden it better, but it seamed to be some sort of security patch at an app level. Here are a couple of old threads including my Google thread and a couple of reddit threads. I still have an open support case on it, but since it stopped happening and different folks at Google kept ignoring my replies to the man suggesting stupid-a$$ things (like factory resetting my devices and signing off and on with a new user on different devices) I just dropped it.
P.S. I never did notice the plugged in thing, but that is not to say it wasn't happening. I was asleep when it happened as far as I know.
https://productforums.google.com/fo...rce=footer#!msg/play/Pgzokc69Qt8/9V1n27ONBwAJ
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/co...lently_updating_some_apps_even_when/?sort=new
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/co...lently_updating_some_apps_even_when/?sort=new
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fury683 said:
Found this, too, but it's from 2013: https://arstechnica.com/information...ng-android-apps-possibly-including-facebooks/
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Many thanks for the links. This is exactly what I am seeing. One of the posts in the link described the install as exact same apk and version. It is also what I see. It still does not explain what is going on behind the scenes, but at least it is good to know that I am not the only one seeing this. For most people, they are not aware. I see it because I use a backup app for newly installed apps. As such, everytime an app installed or updated, I get a notification.

snovvman said:
Many thanks for the links. This is exactly what I am seeing. One of the posts in the link described the install as exact same apk and version. It is also what I see. It still does not explain what is going on behind the scenes, but at least it is good to know that I am not the only one seeing this. For most people, they are not aware. I see it because I use a backup app for newly installed apps. As such, everytime an app installed or updated, I get a notification.
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No problem. I do wonder if your devices are new. As I mentioned, I have not seen this behavior in months on any of my devices. I do think it was an in place Google side security patch to the actual app installer or something that they can control from Play without modifying the app code itself, and if yours have not been modified yet it will catch up when it finishes all of the apps that need it.

sliding_billy said:
No problem. I do wonder if your devices are new. As I mentioned, I have not seen this behavior in months on any of my devices. I do think it was an in place Google side security patch to the actual app installer or something that they can control from Play without modifying the app code itself, and if yours have not been modified yet it will catch up when it finishes all of the apps that need it.
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Both of my devices were pre-order (from last year) and were activated as soon as I received them. Some of the newer apps that were updated this way were newer, like Pixel Tips and Data Transfer Tool. Apps like SmartThings, Lutron, and Pushover were recently updated normally through Playstore, but they were ghost updated a few days ago. If the theory were true, on these basis, it is unclear why Google would need to/want to update/re-update the apps this way.

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Both of my devices were pre-order (from last year) and were activated as soon as I received them. Some of the newer apps that were updated this way were newer, like Pixel Tips and Data Transfer Tool. Apps like SmartThings, Lutron, and Pushover were recently updated normally through Playstore, but they were ghost updated a few days ago. If the theory were true, on these basis, it is unclear why Google would need to/want to update/re-update the apps this way.
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Well the fact that your devices are a hair older than mine (I got my 3XL and 3 very shortly after public release) does quash that argument. The one thing I can think of that is still different is the detection method each of us has used. TB has been updated a few times in the past couple of months to start, and even if not Google could still be making changes that are not seen by TB. What backup app/notification process are you using?

Are these all Google apps or services? Many of them update outside of the app store on their own.

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Are these all Google apps or services? Many of them update outside of the app store on their own.
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No, it has happened to plenty of 3rd party apps both root apps and not.

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Well the fact that your devices are a hair older than mine (I got my 3XL and 3 very shortly after public release) does quash that argument. The one thing I can think of that is still different is the detection method each of us has used. TB has been updated a few times in the past couple of months to start, and even if not Google could still be making changes that are not seen by TB. What backup app/notification process are you using?
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Two apps I use that tells me when an app was installed/updated:
App Monster Pro ** "old version" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.think_android.apps.appmonster.cloud
The current PS version, based on reviews, does not do what the old version does. The old version, which I continue to use, and works well, will make a backup of the installed apk any time an app is updated or installed. I can decide the number of revisions to keep. This allows me to roll back if I need to. The most helpful part, as it turns out, is knowing when an app is updated--even Playstore or other non-Playstore-installed apps will spawn a notification. The backup is in a plain apk, which makes it easy to transport and share.
The other tool is My Android Tools Pro -- https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/guide-android-toolspro-one-fav-apps-t3262150
This app allows me to cut off broadcast receivers, disable services, manifest apk activities and content providers. It also includes a logcat viewer, process explorers, and more. Root is required. This app refined over time but was taken off of the Playstore. It does not appear to be maintained anymore, but still works well. I sort the app list based on newly installed apps and it clearly shows me what was truly and recently installed. I use the app to cut off broadcast receivers and services that relate to app measurement, install referrer, etc. For some apps, I cut off the startup receiver. They help to keep occasionally used apps from launching needlessly. Other may have opinions, but these methods work well for me.
Lastly, I used Root Explorer to verify the app install dates (per post 1).
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Are these all Google apps or services? Many of them update outside of the app store on their own.
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Adding to post #3, they are both Google and 3rd-party apps. The publisher of the app does not appear to matter.

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Two apps I use that tells me when an app was installed/updated:
App Monster Pro ** "old version" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.think_android.apps.appmonster.cloud
The current PS version, based on reviews, does not do what the old version does. The old version, which I continue to use, and works well, will make a backup of the installed apk any time an app is updated or installed. I can decide the number of revisions to keep. This allows me to roll back if I need to. The most helpful part, as it turns out, is knowing when an app is updated--even Playstore or other non-Playstore-installed apps will spawn a notification. The backup is in a plain apk, which makes it easy to transport and share.
The other tool is My Android Tools Pro -- https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/guide-android-toolspro-one-fav-apps-t3262150
This app allows me to cut off broadcast receivers, disable services, manifest apk activities and content providers. It also includes a logcat viewer, process explorers, and more. Root is required. This app refined over time but was taken off of the Playstore. It does not appear to be maintained anymore, but still works well. I sort the app list based on newly installed apps and it clearly shows me what was truly and recently installed. I use the app to cut off broadcast receivers and services that relate to app measurement, install referrer, etc. For some apps, I cut off the startup receiver. They help to keep occasionally used apps from launching needlessly. Other may have opinions, but these methods work well for me.
Lastly, I used Root Explorer to verify the app install dates (per post 1).
Adding to post #3, they are both Google and 3rd-party apps. The publisher of the app does not appear to matter.
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Starting to look more and more like Google is still making changes in the background but it is not being detected by any current backup apps. Since the two you were using have either been deprecated or abandoned, it's hard to say if Google has actually changed what was being updated or just the possibility of detection. Short of someone getting into the app code for a hard comparison between pre/post versions (beyond my skill set for sure), my guess is this is going to go unanswered since Google is clearly still making changes but not releasing the "why" or "what."

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Starting to look more and more like Google is still making changes in the background but it is not being detected by any current backup apps. Since the two you were using have either been deprecated or abandoned, it's hard to say if Google has actually changed what was being updated or just the possibility of detection. Short of someone getting into the app code for a hard comparison between pre/post versions (beyond my skill set for sure), my guess is this is going to go unanswered since Google is clearly still making changes but not releasing the "why" or "what."
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I agree. What I can say with certainty is that those apps were at least "reinstalled" because of the folder/file dates. Also, my two phones are seeing the same apps being updated. This suggests that there are some logic behind it.

snovvman said:
I agree. What I can say with certainty is that those apps were at least "reinstalled" because of the folder/file dates. Also, my two phones are seeing the same apps being updated. This suggests that there are some logic behind it.
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Yeah, the "updates" my not have happened at the same time (or even the same day) but eventually the apps that are shared on various devices would end up modified for me as well.

FSTRIM?
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FSTRIM?
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I am not using the FSTRIM app, and the fact that eventually all of the same apps (6 devices on various Android versions) would end up getting updated but not all apps makes it unlikely that native trimming is causing it.