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Why not pool money for Java cards instead of phones for developers!?
I mean think about it. Its a sure proven method of getting s-off and unlocks. Instead of trying to pay for developers new phones and expecting them to hack their way to unlocking and s-offing our devices. Just pool money for java cards to trusted developers and send our phones to them in the same manner sonic is. I understand the risk of shipping. My idea could be wrong thats why im asking for input. What are some of your thoughts on this idea.
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Why not pool money for Java cards instead of phones for developers!?
I mean think about it. Its a sure proven method of getting s-off and unlocks. Instead of trying to pay for developers new phones and expecting them to hack their way to unlocking and s-offing our devices. Just pool money for java cards to trusted developers and send our phones to them in the same manner sonic is. I understand the risk of shipping. My idea could be wrong thats why im asking for input. What are some of your thoughts on this idea.
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Trust plays a major role, along with time without a phone. The more phones in the hands of developers, the quicker someone will come up with a way to circumvent our problem with bootloader and s-off to be made available to the public.
We'd still need to ship our phones out. I dont have a backup smartphone (I sell all of mine in order to buy the next one) so I can't send mine out, as much as I want too
And I'm pretty sure java cards are more expensive than the phone
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megaorange1 said:
And I'm pretty sure java cards are more expensive than the phone
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2-3 phones covers one card depending ;P
jmotyka said:
Why not pool money for Java cards instead of phones for developers!?
I mean think about it. Its a sure proven method of getting s-off and unlocks. Instead of trying to pay for developers new phones and expecting them to hack their way to unlocking and s-offing our devices. Just pool money for java cards to trusted developers and send our phones to them in the same manner sonic is. I understand the risk of shipping. My idea could be wrong thats why im asking for input. What are some of your thoughts on this idea.
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this is a great thought.
but the fact would still remain.
it's the same process that sonic is doing..
and for a hell of a great price... (from sonic)
If we were to purchase these cards rather than dev phones. what happens when we get that 4.3 update with a new hboot, ppl will take that OTA and then wonder why they lost root. and that $1300 java card is now essentially worthless (correct me if I am wrong please)
but either way, if we buy these cards, the devs now have no way of finding the exploits for a future software s-off..
also you would still need to send your phone out..
I for one have 100% faith in sonic.
His mother works at the USPS,
and with $600 insurance on the phone going both ways, I am not too worried.
I wrapped my phone up nicely in the box the phone came in then wrapped some bubble wrap around that and am now on my way to the post office to send sonic my phone.
The guy is just trying to make this community more successful and he took the initiative to buy the card, and we owe this man a huge amount of gratitude.
Sonic thank you again for everything you are doing for us,
it's not easy having to do all these phones for everyone,
when a DEV gets s-off their work is done, they sit back let the users mess with it, we are sending our devices to him which takes time to be careful with the phones, and then s-off each phone. and all this was done very professionally IMHO, with the website, and it only works out better with his Mother working at the main Post Office.
thank you again Sonic, can't wait to get my phone back!
andybones said:
this is a great thought.
but the fact would still remain.
it's the same process that sonic is doing..
and for a hell of a great price... (from sonic)
If we were to purchase these cards rather than dev phones. what happens when we get that 4.3 update with a new hboot, ppl will take that OTA and then wonder why they lost root. and that $1300 java card is now essentially worthless (correct me if I am wrong please)
but either way, if we buy these cards, the devs now have no way of finding the exploits for a future software s-off..
also you would still need to send your phone out..
I for one have 100% faith in sonic.
His mother works at the USPS,
and with $600 insurance on the phone going both ways, I am not too worried.
I wrapped my phone up nicely in the box the phone came in then wrapped some bubble wrap around that and am now on my way to the post office to send sonic my phone.
The guy is just trying to make this community more successful and he took the initiative to buy the card, and we owe this man a huge amount of gratitude.
Sonic thank you again for everything you are doing for us,
it's not easy having to do all these phones for everyone,
when a DEV gets s-off their work is done, they sit back let the users mess with it, we are sending our devices to him which takes time to be careful with the phones, and then s-off each phone. and all this was done very professionally IMHO, with the website, and it only works out better with his Mother working at the main Post Office.
thank you again Sonic, can't wait to get my phone back!
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IIRC they can't "patch" JavaCards since its a bootloader function and is used internally by HTC in a lot of phones. However, if they somehow got ahold of mine/someone else's CardID, they could "disable" the card so no phones read it as valid via an OTA or something.
Either way, this wouldn't really help devs unless they cracked the many levels of cryptology on that card and found out how to clone it to a normal SD.
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IIRC they can't "patch" JavaCards since its a bootloader function and is used internally by HTC in a lot of phones. However, if they somehow got ahold of mine/someone else's CardID, they could "disable" the card so no phones read it as valid via an OTA or something.
Either way, this wouldn't really help devs unless they cracked the many levels of cryptology on that card and found out how to clone it to a normal SD.
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I'm on your side 100%!
leaving house now to drop off phone to USPS!
so excited!!
Sonic2756 said:
IIRC they can't "patch" JavaCards since its a bootloader function and is used internally by HTC in a lot of phones. However, if they somehow got ahold of mine/someone else's CardID, they could "disable" the card so no phones read it as valid via an OTA or something.
Either way, this wouldn't really help devs unless they cracked the many levels of cryptology on that card and found out how to clone it to a normal SD.
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Which is understandable. But i feel i would rather send my phone to you ( which i did) and have you use the javacard rather than sending it somewhere to get jtaged. The HTC one is one of the most difficult phones to take apart. Almost all tear down videos of the htc mentioned that they had broken at least one or two to finally get it done right.
On the subject of the javacard, what are the possibilities of someone cloning a javacard as appose to cracking the htc ones bootloader? Is one easier than the other?
Has anyone heard if the REVONE developers are working on our phones?
VZW was out of stock when I called to get a replacement because of my camera, so I'm debating on just waiting for the 4.3 to fix my camera or keep calling til they have stock again.
If I read all this correctly, if I send out my phone for S-Off and accepted the OTA for the sake of the camera issue, will I keep S-Off? If I have root when the OTA comes I know I'd lose that, but as long as I could keep S-Off I'd be able to re-root, correct?
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VZW was out of stock when I called to get a replacement because of my camera, so I'm debating on just waiting for the 4.3 to fix my camera or keep calling til they have stock again.
If I read all this correctly, if I send out my phone for S-Off and accepted the OTA for the sake of the camera issue, will I keep S-Off? If I have root when the OTA comes I know I'd lose that, but as long as I could keep S-Off I'd be able to re-root, correct?
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It is technically possible for them to get rid of S-OFF, but I don't believe that they ever have, nor given any indication that they ever will. And yes, so long as you have S-OFF, you will be able to re-root.
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Did the firewater method for S-off and it keeps saying " device has been patched by HTC, your out of luck!!!." is there any way to get by this? im new to HTC devices so im a little thrown off
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Did the firewater method for S-off and it keeps saying " device has been patched by HTC, your out of luck!!!." is there any way to get by this? im new to HTC devices so im a little thrown off
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I believe htc patched the last update, so would need to downgrade but not sure how you can downgrade when s-on.
There is a Bounty thread for a fix. Check my signature.
Someone correct me, cause I'm sure I'm wrong, my idea can't be right because it seems too easy/logical...
If HTC is the one who patched out firewater, wouldn't the next stop on the logic train be to assume that they want you to s-off on the HTCdev site so they can note the warranty voided??
I've been s-off since before this device even hit the market locally, so firewater worked fine...I'm just throwing darts to try and help.
Thoughts?
Exactly, it's not that easy. HTCDev will only let you unlock the bootloader, which is enough for many things, but is not the same as S-OFF. HTC doesn't provide any official way to the public for setting the device to S-OFF.
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Someone correct me, cause I'm sure I'm wrong, my idea can't be right because it seems too easy/logical...
If HTC is the one who patched out firewater, wouldn't the next stop on the logic train be to assume that they want you to s-off on the HTCdev site so they can note the warranty voided??
I've been s-off since before this device even hit the market locally, so firewater worked fine...I'm just throwing darts to try and help.
Thoughts?
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It seems that way, but I don't use logic when it comes to large corporations.
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HTC doesn't provide any official way to the public for setting the device to S-OFF.
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They should though... Why deny it just so that people go with "questionable" means to exploit a system in order to do the things they want to do with the device they paid a crap load of money for.
One would think by now that companies would realise that they'll never be "fully" in front when it comes to "battles" like these, whenever they implement a new security measure, there's already someone out there with the skills to exploit it! If they exploited it by "unofficial" means, then logically they would want to cover their tracks as well leading to a form of fraud i.e hiding flags/banners that show that you did S-OFF and Unlocked, it causes problems for other users if they were to buy a device like that(2nd hand for example) or even if you handed it in as such to HTC and they refurb and resell a device that says it's one thing where in fact it's something entirely different.
Why not grant unlocked bootloader, S-OFF AND Root access on all devices and sell it as is? You can put plenty of security warnings up to warn someone about the potential danger and/or damage they can cause if they don't use it properly.
Software related issues and/or bricks can be covered seperately with warranty(perhaps a small increase in price to cover it, if it's software related, HTC can fix it easy), hardware problems on the other hand won't necessarily come about because some wanna be couldn't read a ROM installation thread properly.
It's silly if you ask me. You should be able to buy the device with the ability to have an unlocked bootloader, root access and S-OFF, out of the box! You should then be well aware that IF something happens as a result of your own negligence that you'll have to pay a bit more to get it fixed, period. There should be a warning and agreement, if you agree to those terms then you can't cry to anyone if you mess up.
But that's my opinion though.
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It's silly if you ask me. You should be able to buy the device with the ability to have an unlocked bootloader, root access and S-OFF, out of the box! You should then be well aware that IF something happens as a result of your own negligence that you'll have to pay a bit more to get it fixed, period. There should be a warning and agreement, if you agree to those terms then you can't cry to anyone if you mess up.
But that's my opinion though.
End of rant.
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I agree with you - in principle. The problem is that you expect users who click that "I agree" button to actually accept responsibility for their actions if they sc*** up. And often they don't.
I have seen it again and again in the Asus Transformer forums. You can download an apk from Asus to unlock the bootloader but that app also phones home and voids your warranty (which is clearly explained in the agreement). Quite a few users who mostly didn't bother to do enough research blamed Asus for providing a tool to unlock the BL, but then refused to support them if they bricked their device. Some sent it in for warranty repair and some actually succeeded - probably because the tech did not pay attention to the unlocked bootloader - basically making Asus pay for a mistake they made. These things happen and people just tend to try to find someone to blame for their own shortcomings.
So I do understand that they make it difficult - and I do agree: They can't win this game... Someone will find a way
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I agree with you - in principle. The problem is that you expect users who click that "I agree" button to actually accept responsibility for their actions if they sc*** up. And often they don't.
I have seen it again and again in the Asus Transformer forums. You can download an apk from Asus to unlock the bootloader but that app also phones home and voids your warranty (which is clearly explained in the agreement). Quite a few users who mostly didn't bother to do enough research blamed Asus for providing a tool to unlock the BL, but then refused to support them if they bricked their device. Some sent it in for warranty repair and some actually succeeded - probably because the tech did not pay attention to the unlocked bootloader - basically making Asus pay for a mistake they made. These things happen and people just tend to try to find someone to blame for the own shortcomings.
So I do understand that they make it difficult - and I do agree: They can't win this game... Someone will find a way
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Agreed. The main issue is the common person not doing research on these things and even IF they do some reading they don't even read properly. Most of the problems they encounter are self-made problems.
Perhaps giving an option in store for those things would be better then, like I said they could even "increase" the price a bit for the warranty/insurance IF you choose to go with an unlocked, rooted and S-OFF'd device...Oh well, pure speculation though, it's not like it'll ever happen.
Oh and you have an awesome name Bernd :good:
BerndM14 said:
Oh and you have an awesome name Bernd :good:
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I agree! So do you! Also German immigrant? :victory:
berndblb said:
I agree! So do you! Also German immigrant? :victory:
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Yes and no... Parents are Germans and came to South Africa, I was born here.
Would someone please point me in the right direction of a post / guide for performing S-OFF given current available resources? I just picked up a refurbished M8 ($1 !!!) and have already unlocked the bootloader and flashed TWRP. However all of the videos and guides I have seen involve obtaining S-OFF through using firewater (ran into an error due to an unrecognized character - the open parenthesis character to be exact - and I couldn't get to the part where you have to type "Yes" in the command window) and I really don't want to pay 25 bucks for the sunshine S-Off method. Any advice? Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere already, I couldn't find anything when I looked......
Firewater is no longer supported. Sunshine is the only S-off method for the M8.
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Would someone please point me in the right direction of a post / guide for performing S-OFF given current available resources? I just picked up a refurbished M8 ($1 !!!) and have already unlocked the bootloader and flashed TWRP. However all of the videos and guides I have seen involve obtaining S-OFF through using firewater (ran into an error due to an unrecognized character - the open parenthesis character to be exact - and I couldn't get to the part where you have to type "Yes" in the command window) and I really don't want to pay 25 bucks for the sunshine S-Off method. Any advice? Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere already, I couldn't find anything when I looked......
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The only advice I have is to cough up the $25. It is worth it for the freedom it gives you.
Would anyone tell me if I flash latest 4.4.4 though .zip via recovery or run HTC RUU then I will loose S OFF? I want to flash ViperOne but needs 4.4.4 firmware cause of WiFi issues. Thanks
Once you get S-Off you will not lose it using RUU 's or custom ROM's no matter how many time's you flash
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Thanks, Yeah I just found out that S OFF and Unlocked Bootloader stays the same even if I run HTC RUU or flash stock firmware.zip :good:
Edit; I will only loose root. And, I will need stock recovery to run HTC RUU or custom recovery to flash .zip firmware
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Thanks, Yeah I just found out that S OFF and Unlocked Bootloader stays the same even if I run HTC RUU or flash stock firmware.zip :good:
Edit; I will only loose root. And, I will need stock recovery to run HTC RUU or custom recovery to flash .zip firmware
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You don't need to install the stock recovery to run a RUU. Also, firmware is flashed through the bootloader, not recovery.
xunholyx said:
The only advice I have is to cough up the $25. It is worth it for the freedom it gives you.
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Firewater is no longer supported. Sunshine is the only S-off method for the M8.
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Drat. Well thanks for the input guys, I guess I'll "spring" for sunshine..... It's just so disappointing to see things come to this. I see countless posts and threads on this site where dedicated devs/advanced users just want to lend a helping hand or make someone else's mobile phone experience a little better, asking for nothing but an optional donation in return. You are the people that make this world a better place!!!! I had the LG Optimus as my previous device and I remember paying a dollar for the FreeGee app, which did a similar thing. Now, $1 is essentially a small donation, I can deal with that and am happy to support my devs. But $25 ? come on now, that's just embarrassing. If I were 2-3 years older I would have the requisite comp sci experience to figure out how to S-OFF myself! Oh well. Can't blame the guy for just trying to make a quick buck.....or 25..................
Cheers.
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Drat. Well thanks for the input guys, I guess I'll "spring" for sunshine..... It's just so disappointing to see things come to this. I see countless posts and threads on this site where dedicated devs/advanced users just want to lend a helping hand or make someone else's mobile phone experience a little better, asking for nothing but an optional donation in return. You are the people that make this world a better place!!!! I had the LG Optimus as my previous device and I remember paying a dollar for the FreeGee app, which did a similar thing. Now, $1 is essentially a small donation, I can deal with that and am happy to support my devs. But $25 ? come on now, that's just embarrassing. If I were 2-3 years older I would have the requisite comp sci experience to figure out how to S-OFF myself! Oh well. Can't blame the guy for just trying to make a quick buck.....or 25..................
Cheers.
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How many devices do you think they bricked before they cracked that exploit? Should they just write off thousands of dollars in lost devices so that you can have a "better" experience?
$1 Donation from 100 people out of the 50,000 that used it means nothing to them. That's then not even enough to replace one device that they bricked beyond repair. Then we're not even talking about the hours that they have to put in to actually do this and to write the codes etc to get the exploit...
Entitlement generation
frankp124 said:
Drat. Well thanks for the input guys, I guess I'll "spring" for sunshine..... It's just so disappointing to see things come to this. I see countless posts and threads on this site where dedicated devs/advanced users just want to lend a helping hand or make someone else's mobile phone experience a little better, asking for nothing but an optional donation in return. You are the people that make this world a better place!!!! I had the LG Optimus as my previous device and I remember paying a dollar for the FreeGee app, which did a similar thing. Now, $1 is essentially a small donation, I can deal with that and am happy to support my devs. But $25 ? come on now, that's just embarrassing. If I were 2-3 years older I would have the requisite comp sci experience to figure out how to S-OFF myself! Oh well. Can't blame the guy for just trying to make a quick buck.....or 25..................
Cheers.
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Well, to tell the truth you don't have to pay. All you have to do is try to find the exploits to gain S-Off on your own. I figure after less than a day (after your first brick), $25 will seem like a bargain.
BerndM14 said:
How many devices do you think they bricked before they cracked that exploit? Should they just write off thousands of dollars in lost devices so that you can have a "better" experience?
$1 Donation from 100 people out of the 50,000 that used it means nothing to them. That's then not even enough to replace one device that they bricked beyond repair. Then we're not even talking about the hours that they have to put in to actually do this and to write the codes etc to get the exploit...
Entitlement generation
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Not trying to start a fight dude, just pointing out that in the past all the development software I've used was absolutely free. And I'm sure that over the last 7 years there have been millions of dollars of devices that have been bricked by devs trying to work on new ROMs, exploits, hacks, and the like. Times have changed I guess.... more challenging software to exploit and such.
It has already been discussed several times in several threads!!! the Sunshine developer team has the right to charge as much money as they want. they have selected an amount that they needed. its not about you and me or some other person who cant or wont pay that for S-off. i myself have not yet gotten S-off. so please refrain from posting such absurd logic about previous things being free and others points just to justify this.
If you cant afford $25 then just be practical and flash stuffs with caution like me. Sunshine is not something illegal that posting against it will eventually make it free!!!!! Happy Flashing!!!!
Not to mention, sunshine is actually pretty revolutionary.. Think about how hard it is to gain s-off now days, and then think about the fact that with Sunshine,they not only cracked it, BUT ALSO made it a 1-click method. Best $25 I ever spent, no question
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It has already been discussed several times in several threads!!!
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Yeah, that horse has been beaten to death 10 times over, in pages and pages of threads!
If the OP got the phone for $1, than they get a s-off phone with "full freedom" for $26. Still a pretty awesome deal.
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However all of the videos and guides I have seen involve obtaining S-OFF through using firewater
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Be aware that s-off is only needed for a few isolated things. Unfortunately, updating firmware manually to run the more recent ROMs is one of those things. And the most common reason for wanting s-off.
I gather from your device history that you are on AT&T. If the goal is to update firmware, your alternative is to stay with ROMs that match your firmware and wait for AT&T to roll out the 4.4.4 update (which will update the firmware). Since unfortunately, AT&T is one of the few versions that haven't had 4.4.4 rolled out. Hopefully that will happen soon. One source has reported the rollout was delayed twice in December due to issues incorporating VoLTE (voice over LTE).
Hi, I just got an HTC One M9 (Verizon) a few days ago, and like my previous phones I want to root it.
After a few hours of research, I have come to the conclusion that to root I need to unlock my Bootloader. VZW blocks the ability to unlock the Bootloader via HTC's official method (error 172), however this can be overcome by using S-OFF.
So I looked into the Sunshine app, but two problems. One, cost. I'm not paying $25 for a one time use app. Two, it says my phone needs root access to enable S-OFF.
So to my understanding, to root my phone I need an unlocked Bootloader, and to unlock the Bootloader I need S-OFF, and for S-OFF I need to be rooted.
Is this correct? Did VZW really screw over their users this hard? Not to mention the lack of regular power saver, a few other features, and that ugly checkmark with the "4GLTE" text on the phone.
If anyone knows of a reliable way to root a VZW One M9, please let me know. I did quite a bit of searching but every method I've tried doesn't work for VZW.
Edit: this thread should probably be under the Q&A section, if a mod could move it please I would appreciate it.
Right now you're only option is to find someone with a javacard, or to buy a javacard yourself. The javacard will provide S-Off, and we will also unlock your bootloader and root the device for you as well.
You'd either need to meet up with the javacard owner, or ship them your phone.
There are a few of us around the Verizon community, so send me a PM with your location and I'll try to hook you up with the closest option.
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Right now you're only option is to find someone with a javacard, or to buy a javacard yourself. The javacard will provide S-Off, and we will also unlock your bootloader and root the device for you as well.
You'd either need to meet up with the javacard owner, or ship them your phone.
There are a few of us around the Verizon community, so send me a PM with your location and I'll try to hook you up with the closest option.
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Thanks for the offer but I'm not willing to spend money/ship my phone somewhere to obtain root.
I will wait a bit then reconsider, I'm sure after some more time there will be an exploit. Shame on Verizon for making it so tough so customize our own devices. All I want is an ad-blocking program (Ad-away).
chiknnwatrmln said:
Thanks for the offer but I'm not willing to spend money/ship my phone somewhere to obtain root.
I will wait a bit then reconsider, I'm sure after some more time there will be an exploit. Shame on Verizon for making it so tough so customize our own devices. All I want is an ad-blocking program (Ad-away).
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If you are waiting for sunshine, make sure you don't update your firmware when 5.1 is released in the next month or so.
However if you are waiting for a free root method, you will probably never see one on this phone.
chiknnwatrmln said:
Thanks for the offer but I'm not willing to spend money/ship my phone somewhere to obtain root.
I will wait a bit then reconsider, I'm sure after some more time there will be an exploit. Shame on Verizon for making it so tough so customize our own devices. All I want is an ad-blocking program (Ad-away).
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You're probably gonna be SOL, it's either sunshine (if/when) it happens, or Java card, which requires either shipping it or driving/meet. I personally drove to York, PA to get mine done. If you want an ad blocker w/o root, try nochromo. It's a chrome based web browser with adblock script built in, works pretty well.
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If you are waiting for sunshine, make sure you don't update your firmware when 5.1 is released in the next month or so.
However if you are waiting for a free root method, you will probably never see one on this phone.
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:/ I'll probably fork out for Sunshine eventually.
Never getting a VZW phone again.
aer0zer0 said:
You're probably gonna be SOL, it's either sunshine (if/when) it happens, or Java card, which requires either shipping it or driving/meet. I personally drove to York, PA to get mine done. If you want an ad blocker w/o root, try nochromo. It's a chrome based web browser with adblock script built in, works pretty well.
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I'll give it a shot, ty.
I've done a ton of research on how to unlock bootloader on my verizon M9 (f*** you verizon), and it seems only feasible option is sunshine and 25 bucks. That being said, I updated to nougat before wanting this, and I'm reading that sunshine may not be able to s-off the phone with this latest verizon update. I tried to downgrade to marshmallow v. 3.37.605.7 using RUU 0PJAIMG_HIMA_WL_M6[email protected]60105_CNV_1.26_002_release_469809_signed_1.zip and it fails using the SD card fat 32 method. Am I doing it wrong?
1) Can sunshine s-off with latest nougat update?
2) If not, is there any way to downgrade to a version that sunshine can s-off?
3) Am I screwed? No custom roms for me?
If you can't downgrade, Sunshine can't get temproot and thus can't s-off.
The device is old (the community has moved on long ago) so it isn't a priority for the sunshine team; when j asked, the reply was something to the effect of it not being on the radar. Hard to blame them; dev time is limited, and they can help more people focusing on other phones.
You can supposedly send it to someone with an HTC Java card or XTC2 Clip, but I can't verify that. I can verify that Kingo and similar do nothing for you. So no, no custom ROMs, no root, and you're stuck with Verizon and Google's bloatware. but
Also, be warned batteries on the M9s are dying (like, nearly all of them; if you don't have a newer battery, yours will soon), and some of them fail spectacularly if you try to charge them during/after actual death
(If you do like I did and change phones and carriers, confirm before you buy; I thought "huh, T-Mobile is good about rooting, and I've heard great things about how easy unlocking Samsungs are." It turns out one of those two has turned on us, probably Samsung, though I'm still not clear on why.)
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Also, be warned batteries on the M9s are dying (like, nearly all of them; if you don't have a newer battery, yours will soon), and some of them fail spectacularly if you try to charge them during/after actual death
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When you say "some of them fail spectacularly" do you mean the battery or the phone?
I'm having battery issues but am afraid to try to change it out myself. The video looks complicated.
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I'm having battery issues but am afraid to try to change it out myself. The video looks complicated.
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Honestly, it's not as bad as it looks. I've replaced two screens and that repair job requires some extra steps. As long as you have a backup phone I'd say give it a shot.
Exokan said:
Honestly, it's not as bad as it looks. I've replaced two screens and that repair job requires some extra steps. As long as you have a backup phone I'd say give it a shot.
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I found a place that will do it for only about $25 more than it would cost me to get the battery and tools to do it myself, so I'll let them do it.