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My morning with the Moto 360 and RunKeeper

I’m a strong believer in the union between technology and fitness; one of the things that sold me on the original Pebble was its RunKeeper integration. It’s actually a little distressing how easy it is to convince me to buy a new gadget if I can somehow convince myself it’ll help me. So, logically, one of the first things I did after I acquired my Moto 360 yesterday afternoon was take it out out on this morning’s run to compare it with Pebble’s performance in that same area. Unfortunately, I can’t compare it to other Android Wear watches, as I haven’t used them.
My result? Surprisingly good! More details here:
My morning with the Moto 360 and RunKeeper

Runtastic is also nice. I prefer it because you can pause your run without being inside the app so that your watch display isn't on and saving battery

APeaceofStrange said:
Runtastic is also nice. I prefer it because you can pause your run without being inside the app so that your watch display isn't on and saving battery
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Oh, nice. I've used RunKeeper for years, so I'm reluctant to give up on all that data, but that's good to know.

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Runtastic is also nice. I prefer it because you can pause your run without being inside the app so that your watch display isn't on and saving battery
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Same for RunKeeper. You can swipe out of the app after starting a run and it will still keep track of the run, the display will turn off, and a card will be available that you can click on or swipe left and pause or stop the run.
I've always preferred RunKeeper because Runtastic worked like a turd on the Pebble (would usually freeze or quit syncing 12 minutes into every run).

Silellak said:
I’m a strong believer in the union between technology and fitness; one of the things that sold me on the original Pebble was its RunKeeper integration. It’s actually a little distressing how easy it is to convince me to buy a new gadget if I can somehow convince myself it’ll help me. So, logically, one of the first things I did after I acquired my Moto 360 yesterday afternoon was take it out out on this morning’s run to compare it with Pebble’s performance in that same area. Unfortunately, I can’t compare it to other Android Wear watches, as I haven’t used them.
My result? Surprisingly good! More details here:
My morning with the Moto 360 and RunKeeper
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Thanks for the review. One of the primary reasons I bought mine is for running, too. Thought of buying the Gear Fit but I ended ordering the Moto 360. How was the leather band while running? Did it absorb the sweat like most leather bands do?

With runkeeper you can't pause outside the app though. With runtastic you can

thanks for sharing and the write up.

bashdrew said:
Thanks for the review. One of the primary reasons I bought mine is for running, too. Thought of buying the Gear Fit but I ended ordering the Moto 360. How was the leather band while running? Did it absorb the sweat like most leather bands do?
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I didn't notice one way or the other, honestly. Didn't bother me, at least.

Thank you. Can't wait to use it.

On the Pebble Runkeeper will pause automatically when you stop.

Thanks much for posting this -- fitness use of the 360 hasn't been reported much. I'm hopeful that someone will put together an app which takes advantage of the HR monitor as well.

quietglow said:
Thanks much for posting this -- fitness use of the 360 hasn't been reported much. I'm hopeful that someone will put together an app which takes advantage of the HR monitor as well.
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No problem! I kept looking for a post like this and had no luck, so figured I'd do my own "research". I asked the RunKeeper folks on Twitter about HR integration and they said to submit it as a feature request, so I did so. Fingers crossed!

TabGuy said:
On the Pebble Runkeeper will pause automatically when you stop.
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Same on Android Wear if you have that setting enabled in the RunKeeper app.

Nice I use runtastic with my pebble so I'm happy to see the 360 working well with running apps

Since this is apparently the only fitness 360 thread on the web (wow really?!): I noticed this morning that jawbone is going to release their app this month on Android Wear, and it'll be compatible with the 360. I was a fitbit user myself, but I've heard good things about the jawbone software (better than the hardware, really).

I have an addendum to my original post, now covering my experiences on a bike ride this morning:
http://www.writingabouttech.com/?p=604

Margalus said:
Can you use the Moto360 with Runtastic too? I have the Moto X and use Runtastic, would love to keep my phone at home(or just save some battery) while using Runtastic while syncin it to the Moto X's widget.
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I think this is a key question...
Can I just take my watch to workout, keep phone at home and sync back data when I am back?

Moto 360 doesn't have GPS, so you need your phone for any android wear compatible running app.

Thanks for posting your experience. I'm curious to see how the HRM on the 360 works during heavy activity. I perspire heavily when running. It even causes difficulty with my Garmin chest strap. (And I've destroyed multiple MP3 players and my first Droid RAZR MAXX)
As far as integrating the 360's HR stats into other exercise programs, I heard that there is no API to do that. In other words, Perhaps that is something that will change in future versions. I know of no reason to keep that information a secret.

Can I ask how you got Runkeeper to find Moto360.. mine vänt connect!?
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Cant connect

Can the heart rate monitor send data to a third party fitness app?

Both run keeper and runtastic have android wear versions, and both are able to receive heartbeat info from an appropriate device, yet none seem to identify the moto 360 as a heartbeat sensor.
Has anyone had any luck in doing that?

I haven't found any yet. But then again I can't get an accurate HR anyways from this. I'll go for a run, and it says my heart rate is 54. Even when I'm doing nothing, I can't get it accurate and it's slow. I try to show off to others what it can do, and they want to call 911 when my HR shows 33!

xraytedjim said:
I haven't found any yet. But then again I can't get an accurate HR anyways from this. I'll go for a run, and it says my heart rate is 54. Even when I'm doing nothing, I can't get it accurate and it's slow. I try to show off to others what it can do, and they want to call 911 when my HR shows 33!
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Haha, I failed when showing it to friends too. It works quite well at times- the watch needs to be tight on your arm, and the arm can't move a lot.

At present the watch does not expose the heart rate to other apps. I'm not sure I would worry about that either. I did a short run this morning (3 miles) and the HRM in the watch apparently did not track any of it. If I look at stats, I get 0% Vigorous (>129 bpm) and my entire run was vigorous. If you want an accurate heart rate for training, the 360 is not (yet) going to provide that.

Gotta wait until Google Fit is officially released later this month.

I have done some reading on Google Fit but certainly don't know everything. However, from what I have seen, this will be strictly part of Android L and not available in 4.x. Anyone hear any different?

Eliad Kimhy said:
Both run keeper and runtastic have android wear versions, and both are able to receive heartbeat info from an appropriate device, yet none seem to identify the moto 360 as a heartbeat sensor.
Has anyone had any luck in doing that?
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I found SportsTracker PRO and it reads the heartbeat OK.
As a matter of fact, it's been being my running app of choise for a couple of years.
pros: nice view on my wrist when running, with minimalistic text (black background)
cons: IT'S SHUTTING DOWN next november 1st.
I hope it helps.

Endomondo recently added Google Wear support and it picks up the heart rate from the Moto 360. (I had heard it could not be done but that seems to be wrong.) However for running it still does not work for me. On a recent run it reported a constant 79 bpm for the entire run because the Moto 360 was not able to get a reading once I started running.

2 apps so far
Confirmed: Endomondo receives data from the heart rate monitor.
So far, Sports Tracker PRO and Endomondo do the job. Issues with the refresh and the measure itself, though.
Let's wait for the next Android Wear version...

I agree that the HRM on the moto360 seems very sensitive in negative way that it is not able to measure consistently and you have to keep your hand real steady which is impossible when you are doing a workout. Sort of negate the use of a HRM if you can only use it when you are idle.
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fylim said:
I agree that the HRM on the moto360 seems very sensitive in negative way that it is not able to measure consistently and you have to keep your hand real steady which is impossible when you are doing a workout
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Well, that's just the nature of PPG sensors. Even the medical-grade sensors you'll find in a hospital are super sensitive to every little movement. If you think about how it works, every movement modifies the amount of light passing through the detector and gives additional interference to the pulse measurement. It's a wonder that these wrist-worn sensors work at all.

Sync with google fit

Curious to see if anyone use the google fit app along with thier watch? I've noticed that the two are no synced (# of steps recorded from Fit greatly differs from watch - which makes sense as my phone is not always on me when I move around).
so how do sync the data from my watch to be shown on the google fit app? or is that only shown on another app (like moto body or something else)?
basically, I want to use the Fit app to record my weight and see the metrics of my steps, heart rate, etc. but I only want the steps to be recorded from the watch.
thanks!

I think you have to bear in mind that fitness-wise any smartwatch (even those with GPS on board) will never be anything more but a compromise for a real fitness watch. It's a nice to have for a smartwatch and maybe data aquisition quality improves in the future but I'm sure this remains playground.

I am seriously pissed with google fit. before i got it, my watch did pretty well taking my steps. now it only takes them when i carry my phone and it resets midday all the time, ex. it said 125 steps at 10 am then 34 at 3 pm. wtf! I like the look and how it keeps records, but im going to delete it soon.

andypiznti said:
I am seriously pissed with google fit. before i got it, my watch did pretty well taking my steps. now it only takes them when i carry my phone and it resets midday all the time, ex. it said 125 steps at 10 am then 34 at 3 pm. wtf! I like the look and how it keeps records, but im going to delete it soon.
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That could be related to how the app syncs with the watch. Check the app settings in android wear.

jco23 said:
That could be related to how the app syncs with the watch. Check the app settings in android wear.
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yeah i did that. i had to switch my heart rate and steps to moto body. moto body told me i took ~2800 steps where google fit said 169 steps for the whole day. 2800 is way closer, still low i feel, but 169 is no where close.

As of now, Google Fit on the phone does not sync to the watch.

Sfkn2 said:
As of now, Google Fit on the phone does not sync to the watch.
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right - even though the details on the app on the market says that it does.

Yeah mine is not working too
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Not sure about others but since I installed Fit on my phone, my phone battery has taken a hit. I have since disabled it.

madgalaxy said:
Not sure about others but since I installed Fit on my phone, my phone battery has taken a hit. I have since disabled it.
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Me too. I left a review on the app in the market. If enough people do, then perhaps they'll adjust it.

I don't have an issue with Google Fit.
I occassionally walk around with my phone on my desk, or with my watch charging (and my phone in my pocket).
Initally the steps are out of sync, but once Fit sync's the data, they match up (ie if watch is showing 1500 steps, and phone is showing 400 steps, within 15-20mins of sitting at my desk, I'll check, and my steps have been updated to 1900 in google Fit.
By the end of the day, my Google Fit steps usually matches my Moto Step count.

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I don't have an issue with Google Fit.
I occassionally walk around with my phone on my desk, or with my watch charging (and my phone in my pocket).
Initally the steps are out of sync, but once Fit sync's the data, they match up (ie if watch is showing 1500 steps, and phone is showing 400 steps, within 15-20mins of sitting at my desk, I'll check, and my steps have been updated to 1900 in google Fit.
By the end of the day, my Google Fit steps usually matches my Moto Step count.
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In the android wear app, what app is synced with steps - moto body steps or google fit?

Google Fit for steps, Moto Heart Rate for heart rate.

HuStLaZ said:
Google Fit for steps, Moto Heart Rate for heart rate.
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I re-enabled activity detection, and my steps began to sync - however, the phone's steps count appear to override the watch's step count. for example, I noticed this morning on my watch that my step count was 147, but the phone read 93. when I pulled down the step count on the phone to force a sync, the watch suddenly read 93. I would like for the watch to override the phone on this statistic, but not sure how.

Well, I installed google fit yesterday and took a long walk today i expect that the data was different in watch and phone but... it sync; the data in watch and phone is the same, the past data was not sync but i don't care.

Due to battery drain problem, I turned off location history , don't know why the Google fit forced to use location history . if you do the location on /off frequently, it will screwed up the syncing, the logic is the phone steps overriding watch , most of the time , I did not bring my phone out while going for a long exercise. It is mad to see my watch's steps of 10000 being reset to the phone value and the wrong recording being pushed to my watch steps history.
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This. Happens to me constantly. As a result, I uninstalled Google Fit. Presumably when I update to Lollipop I'll have to disable it. Candidly, it seems like a very minor bit of code to fix the issue but it's not there yet. As a result, I just use Moto Body, though I wish that they had an app to monitor it as well. Incidentally, having removed Google Fit, I can share that my battery life has improved dramatically.
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Due to battery drain problem, I turned off location history , don't know why the Google fit forced to use location history . if you do the location on /off frequently, it will screwed up the syncing, the logic is the phone steps overriding watch , most of the time , I did not bring my phone out while going for a long exercise. It is mad to see my watch's steps of 10000 being reset to the phone value and the wrong recording being pushed to my watch steps history.
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Update to fit app (and android wear too). We'll see if they corrected the battery drain issues.

jco23 said:
Update to fit app (and android wear too). We'll see if they corrected the battery drain issues.
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I Really regret buying the moto365 now. I think I am just going to sell this thing when the up3 comes out and wait for a few years before I go back to a smart watch. Google fit is an absolute joke compared to just about any other fitness tracking software you can find. I had a Fitbit Surge for a while and it was extremely accurate but the bands are too small for even an average sized man. So that went back for a refund.
Very disappointed.
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[Q] Thinking of buying a Sony Smartwatch 3 and i need your feedback!

I am seriously debating getting myself a Sony Smartwatch 3, but my usage scenario is rather peculiar/complicated, therefore i really need your help.
First of all, let me tell you that i have had many smartwatches in the past, but never so far an Android Wear device.
My main phone is an iPhone 6 Plus and it shall remain my main phone. I also have an Android device handy at most times (right now it is a Galaxy K Zoom).
XDA member @MohammadAG has already demonstrated (but not yet released) his method for sending iOS notifications over to Android Wear and i have seen in some tech sites that an official Google solution might possibly come in the future.
Let me now tell you what my main usage case will be:
I have a BT 4.0 HR strap (from Wahoo) and i want to connect it to the watch and use it to monitor my HR while jogging. My health condition requires a rather careful monitoring of my HR so that it does not deviate from a certain comfort zone while exercising.
I have already seen there is a thread where people are discussing about this. However, i would be obliged if someone could certify that the Smartwatch 3 would work with a Wahoo HR strap while recording the route via GPS. Of course i need this to be happening while the Watch is offline - not connected to a phone. Can it also play music via BT at the same time?
I could instead purchase a dedicated sports watch, but:
a) I find them ugly
b) They are too big
c) They do nothing more
What do you think? Would the Smartwatch 3 work in this usage scenario?
Would you recommend the rubber one or the metal one?
Thank you very much in advance.

As long as your android device is 4.3 or later, you should be good to go. Someone in another thread said their wahoo tickr works fine. All btle HRMs seem to be working.
https://support.google.com/androidwear/answer/6056401?hl=en

Thank you sir. Any comments about the GPS accuracy?

Mine is accurate, im using runkeeper, I run without smartphone. ...booom what a feeling

@supac Are you also using a BLE HR strap at the same time? Does Runkeeper on the watch show the HR rate on screen ?

No iPhone and no HR device on Wear watch

I've seen a big deterioration on the GPS on mine, not in accuracy but in position lock. I only use mine for running nowadays so it's powered off mostly and I never get a GPS lock the first attempt. I have to first connect it to my phone, then go near a window, try to get GPS sync, then when I do I can disconnect the phone and go out running. Too much of a hassle IMO. I think the watch needs daily communication with a phone i.e. internet to have a properly working GPS. My guess is it needs to update the GPS data frequently.

gidi said:
Thank you sir. Any comments about the GPS accuracy?
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Very accurate when it's connected to my Xperia Z3. I used it with my tablet before I got the phone and can say its a little lame without the portability of a phone, as well as data usage. I love Sony, and I'll say go support them, but if you're dum- very determined on using an iPhone then why not get Apple's shinanigans. I was debating between this and a Garmin 920xt and it was basically deciding between a milkshake and a smoothie.

I'm too consider this watch to replace my motoactv. But problem is I'm using iPhone even though I owned an android tablet. [emoji4]
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My experience
I use the SW3 with a RHYTHM+ BT HRM and LG BT headphones and so run with no phone - GPS, music and heart rate tracking all through the watch. I use the Ghostracer app which has very customizable wear screens, and I have HR showing there. It also uploads seamlessly to Strava once I reconnect the phone.
The GPS accuracy is not as good as my old garmin, but it is better than my Samsung S5 in a waist strap (i.e., before I switched to just the watch)
Top tip, turn off the phone bluetooth before you start. The wear needs to be disconnected before it will work in standalone mode for the run.
Biggest downside? No audible feedback from the running apps yet. So no lap pace, time etc. But then again, the data is right on your wrist.
With my set up the watch battery dies at approx 30% an hour. So if you are running a marathon, better step it up!
Verizon has the watch for $199 - no need to use their cell service to order.
Oh - and in summary - YES, totally recommend it. Best thing since my MotoActv, and it means i can keep my phone in my pocket during the day where it belongs. Not to mention other cool apps, like one that will analyze your golf swing.

gidi said:
@supac Are you also using a BLE HR strap at the same time? Does Runkeeper on the watch show the HR rate on screen ?
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No hr strap...but I read that they do work. Planning to by one
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I've seen a big deterioration on the GPS on mine, not in accuracy but in position lock. I only use mine for running nowadays so it's powered off mostly and I never get a GPS lock the first attempt. I have to first connect it to my phone, then go near a window, try to get GPS sync, then when I do I can disconnect the phone and go out running. Too much of a hassle IMO. I think the watch needs daily communication with a phone i.e. internet to have a properly working GPS. My guess is it needs to update the GPS data frequently.
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Tip: it takes about 40 seconds for a cold lock. Start your app outside, do stretches then start running.

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No hr strap...but I read that they do work. Planning to by one
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Tip: it takes about 40 seconds for a cold lock. Start your app outside, do stretches then start running.
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It used to but not any longer. The last time, before I started doing what I described, I waited for 5+ minutes without a lock. On that occasion the watch had been powered off for 2 weeks and not synced with my phone. So I went home, synced to my phone and then I got a lock within a minute. That's why I'm convinced the watch relies on some kind of A-GPS solution and needs access to the internet frequently to work properly.

I bought a Smartwatch 3 when they first came out; primarily because I wanted a simple heart rate monitor, but as I could get the Sony for not much more and perhaps get some additional functionality I thought it would be good to try. In the end though, I never did find a simple heart rate monitor application which I was satisfied with so 2 weeks ago I bought a Polar M400. This works superbly as a heart rate monitor and activity tracker, has a very good (albeit monochrome) display and also has a built-in GPS. In the 2 weeks I've has it, the battery indicator as gone down to a little over half, so I expect the battery to last 3 or 4 weeks.
Of course, the Polar doesn't give me notifications and I can't play flappy bird on it or talk to it, but Polar have announced that they will release an update which will enable it to show notifications and this is the only thing which I would in any way want anyway. Overall, this should be a good compromise for me as long as the battery life doesn't suffer too much. I'll probably sell my Sony and perhaps get another real smart watch when the battery life and apps have improved. In my opinion, Android Wear could have captured a good part of the sport watch market if it would have included a good fitness app right from the start.
-Mark.

guyoutred said:
Verizon has the watch for $199 - no need to use their cell service to order.
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Yup. I went in there on my lunch break with my T-Mobile clothes and name tag on and they sold it to me. (No, I don't have an account with VZW! [emoji13] )
I love mine. I had the Moto 360 and G Watch R beforehand, but I really like the square, TFT screen of the Smartwatch 3.

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Yup. I went in there on my lunch break with my T-Mobile clothes and name tag on and they sold it to me. (No, I don't have an account with VZW! [emoji13] )
I love mine. I had the Moto 360 and G Watch R beforehand, but I really like the square, TFT screen of the Smartwatch 3.
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The TFT screen is amazing! So many sites would knock it for it, but it's very impressive tech. Yes, it doesn't have the best colors like other watches but the best part of it is that I can ALWAYS see the time even with having the screen off. So battery life is very good on this watch. That is perfect for a watch and why I chose the Sony SW 3.

So the current deal on the Google Store is $50 off and $50 Google play credit, so a net $150. I would rather have the metal version, bit I think this may be too good of a deal. Any clue why Google only sells the silicon version?

brizey said:
So the current deal on the Google Store is $50 off and $50 Google play credit, so a net $150. I would rather have the metal version, bit I think this may be too good of a deal. Any clue why Google only sells the silicon version?
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Think its the main version available everywhere. I think the metal version is very limited.
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tu3218 said:
Think its the main version available everywhere. I think the metal version is very limited.
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Yeah, like pretty much unavailable limited here in the US, lol. I can't find anywhere but Ebay mark up trolls that have it, and most are in the Russian Federation.

It looks amazing, you should definitely buy it.

My experience is the same as guyoutred. I use it with a Mio Link BTLE HRM and Motorola S11-HD BT heaphones while running. Ghostracer is the way to go, also wish it had audible updates and autolaps. GPS was dead-on today, but yesterday (cloudy, rainy) it tracked my run but had my position move south several miles then back again. Showed me with a 2min/mile pace.
I'm using the Walkman app for music, tried the Wear Music app but it was very cumbersome. This bad boy has now turned into the perfect replacement for my old MotoActv. Too bad it took this long for a company to satisfy this demand.

[Q] Noob question about the clock

Hi
I know little about Android Wear but have been doing a lot of reading. My choice at the moment is the Moto 360. I have a very noob question.
Does the watch get the time from the time on the phone it is linked to? If so, that seems almost as good as an atomic watch. But what happens when you are out of range of your bluetooth connected phone? I know most things stop working but I understand the clock keeps going. Does that mean it also has a quartz thing inside to maintain reasonable accuracy? Is it possible to correct the time or change your timezone if you are not connected to the phone?
TIA

This works like an electronic watch, using a battery powered timer chip. No quartz crystal.
When disconnected from the phone, it just uses the internal electronics to increment the time one second at a time.

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This works like an electronic watch, using a battery powered timer chip. No quartz crystal.
When disconnected from the phone, it just uses the internal electronics to increment the time one second at a time.
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Thanks, but presumably it normally does get its time from the phone and hence the network?

I don't know how often it syncs up the time with the phone, but I suspect it would be rare. Else, it would be unnecessary battery usage.

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Thanks, but presumably it normally does get its time from the phone and hence the network?
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There is no way to set the time on the watch so it has to come from the phone. As to how often it sync's to the phone I am not sure, but even clocks that sync to the atomic clock don't sync up all the time. I have never had an issue with my watch not matching the time on my phone.

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There is no way to set the time on the watch so it has to come from the phone. As to how often it sync's to the phone I am not sure, but even clocks that sync to the atomic clock don't sync up all the time. I have never had an issue with my watch not matching the time on my phone.
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That sounds logical. I used to have a watch that synced with the European atomic clock in Frankfurt every day about 2am but sold it after I moved to an area more than 1000km away, which was its specified range. Now I'm even further away from one and it will be great not to think I need to check its accuracy every few days (my version of OCD!).
I've ordered the Moto from Amazon and hope to have it in a few days. Decided not to wait for the Huawei, one reason being that it looks like it won't have an ambient light sensor.
I'm looking forward to being able to see my emails etc on the phone and not have to take out my expensive phone in some areas where it is not particularly safe to do so. I'm pretty sure I won't be putting the Rolex watch face on it, though
So I'm joining the club soon.