Can the Fire TV play the recently released Goat Simulator port for Android?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.coffeestainstudios.goatsimulator
Half the price of the PC version.
Really hope they will make a one level time-limited version so we could test it for free.
They should do that anyway since many people are having trouble with it.
Someone please make a performance video if you get it on Fire TV. (from an actually supported device)
How do you force all Play Store apps to be "compatible" with Fire TV?
Edit:I theorize since Amazing Frog from OUYA runs on Fire TV and Goat Simulator runs on OUYA,that Goat Simulator should be able to run on Fire TV.
Hope I am right.
I usually just use http://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/ to get the APK then install it via ADB. You have to be logged in and own the app in order for it to download apps that cost money however.
Sadly not...Looks funky and broken :crying:
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Funny note:how did they not get flagged for using the Mario POW block graphic?
Fire TV can Goat!
There is multiple versions of it,and you have the wrong version.
Each version is made just for specific GPU types.
You need to get it with another device that has Adreno for the GPU or fake as a compatible Adreno device (Nexus or Samsung?) to get the right version.
I jumped the gun and "did something" so I could test it and it runs beautifully on Fire TV.
I even get extremely smooth fps in some cases thanks to GPU governor on Performance and my other tweaks.
Obscure:Goat came from something on the 17th.
Controls are slightly limited with a Logitech K400r Keyboard.
Too bad I can't find out how to modify the controls in my status,but it is playable with a K400r,and not sure about joypad controllers.
It seems to mirror various GTA Android keyboard inputs.
(1 makes the Baa noise,2 does nothing,and WASD is strafe right or left/forward/reverse while cursor keys do nothing besides hideing touch parts instead of having proper movement)
I have to use touch controls for proper movement and camera rotation.
I'm using the version that came from my Galaxy Note 2. I have a Nexus 7, should I try that APK from that?
Assuming Nexus 7 has Qualcomm/Snapdragon/Adreno,then yes.
I remember something about Dolphin Emulator and Nexus devces not working so well with it.
Best part about Play Store:Buy an app,gain access to that same app in the Play Store on other devices in the same account.
Heat issues,I got Kernel Tuner saying 32F instead of reading the actual temperature.
It must be over 9000F degrees!
I really hope they fix this well known overheating issue.
Edit:Not so big an issue for Fire TV because of the massive heatsink.
I don't ever get lags in Goat Simulator,but it still makes the Fire TV's surface get really hot.
It is a common issue called the "Matrix Goat" bug when you have the wrong GPU related version of Goat Simulator.
The right version on Fire TV runs beautifully unless you have XBMC and are low on RAM.
(I don't have XBMC,so it runs perfectly fine on my end.)
Depending if you get it through another Adreno device of yours to your Fire TV (however that procedure is done),you can exit on 2nd run when the "download" screen appears and relaunch it to play again with no more interruptions.
My guess is that it downloads the data through that on a listed compatible device.
If it exits or crashes,you may not have enough free RAM at the moment.
I never had a random crash in Fire TV on Goat Simulator,but the main problem for others is XBMC or other things taking too much RAM.
Get something called "Memory Booster" so you can keep about 1.1gb of RAM free before starting the game.
It has this small rectangle to touch for freeing up some RAM.
Just remember to make sure the boosting is on aggressive while some apps you use are checked on the ignore list.
On Goat Simulator,the console command can be opened with tilde (next to 1/!) on a K400r keyboard.
A really good command is "FOV 100" for better sight of surroundings on a big TV screen.
Using FOV 10 gets you a good look at the smoothness of the framerate.
Then there is cheats like fly,walk,and ghost which lets you do just that.
The ghost cheat is fly combined with noclipping and the walk cheat is to return to normal physics.
Fly and ghost are basically debug movement in a sense.
One irritating glitch is when you randomly fall below the map just by hitting a basketball or another object,or even just landing from a small height such as a rooftop to the ground.
Just tap the onscreen jump button to respawn when this happens.
Would love to see a YouTube video of Goat Simulator on a Fire TV like someone did on a custom OUYA game center.
I hope they do add all of what has already been in the original PC version.
It will need speedups (lags on some devices) and optimization for the larger level size to continue running smoothly.
Joke:Goat Simulator needs RAM!
When you say XBMC is taking up RAM and causes problem for Goat Sim, you mean if you load up Goat Sim thru XBMC right? Or are you saying that when you install XBMC parts of it get loaded when you boot up so have much less memory then if you didn't have it installed?
XBMC is just too much to have open while trying to play a game like Goat Simulator.
It is an entire media center,right?
Goat Simulator will probably take even more memory to run once it gets updated.
I hope they at least get all of the initial first level fully built with the company building and the "F*** The Police" score bonus.
Someone should make an opposite version of XBMC focusing on minimal RAM usage and maximum stability with decent speed.
It would still have a bit of functionality,but would let other apps handle the rest.
retroben said:
XBMC is just too much to have open while trying to play a game like Goat Simulator.
It is an entire media center,right?
Goat Simulator will probably take even more memory to run once it gets updated.
I hope they at least get all of the initial first level fully built with the company building and the "F*** The Police" score bonus.
Someone should make an opposite version of XBMC focusing on minimal RAM usage and maximum stability with decent speed.
It would still have a bit of functionality,but would let other apps handle the rest.
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Okay, i got ya. Not everyone runs XBMC at the start up, I don't. So if I wanted to play Goat Sim smoothly then I can just reset my AFTV and run Goat Sim first. Wonder if a soft reboot would be enough, probably. Thanks for clarifying it.
Earlier...LOL! I made it crash with a licked object treadmill glitch!
I licked the train and went near the treadmill until I got stuck going into the air with trampoline bonuses adding to it plus other things and back to treadmill.
I went so high up that the music kept restarting and I released the now very distant train which then caused a force close.
Good thing Fire TV's heatsink keeps things smooth and even gradually lowers the CPU temp in a short time by 7 or 8 whole degrees after looking at Kernel Tuner's CPU temp.
Default CPU ondemand governor recommended at the normal clock speeds.
At default CPU and with the basic forced GPU tweak,Goat Simulator runs extremely smooth.
It ran even smoother than the last time I opened it!
I guess the reason others with ANY device can only run it for about 10mins is because they don't have enough free memory.
Having 1.1gb memory left is the best amount besides 1.35gb free memory.
I've played it for hours with no random close ever happenning.
Fire TV still needs a more legit way to get Goat Simulator besides transferring it from a Nexus complete with Fire TV gaming controller support.
Someone just needs to message the devs and ask about it since.
A small part to do is remove the Play Services/G+ data and then the FTV controller mapping.
Also please ask about adding the missing key inputs for normal movement (cursor keys),headbutting and special power on qwerty keyboards.
Maybe they should add an input style select for touch mode and controller/keyboard mode while touch still has the keyboard part intact.
The controller mode would not have the onscreen buttons besides the top left corner buttons.
They will have to figure out navigation via controllers.
Still waiting on Pewdiepie to play this mobile port of Goat Simulator even though there's not as much to do,but new glitching with instant goat mutations.
Either version for Android or IOS.
Still can't get this ****ing game working Tried everything, sadly I can't remove XBMC or I will be divorced.
You know that xbmc is just an app and you an quit it right?
Try getting that memory booster and get to the point where it tells you that you have 1.1gb free memory or near that much.
Also try force stopping all of your listed apps that are not being used at the moment.
I am curious if using "Forced GPU Rendering" has anything to do with my FTV running it perfectly.
Removing XBMC might even make things worse.
XBMC just does not get along with Fire TV all that well.
It is the cause of some bricked FTVs.
Anyone else that actually has it working should reply here telling us what status your FTV is in:
Do you have XBMC or any other similar thing like kodi?
If yes,do you have it opened when successfully running Goat Simulator with proper graphics,or is it closed?
Are you using a RAM/memory boosting app?
If yes,what amount of RAM do you have left before opening Goat Simulator if it shows you?
Please answer most of these so others can figure out why it exits randomly.
Tips:To get it from another device,get it from one with the Adreno GPU or it will not work properly on Fire TV.
Learn how to transfer apps and their data files from a well written guide.
(I wish I knew where one was so I could link it.)
Good luck to others who try to get it working.
Edit:Also,Goat Simulator updated with "bug fixes" and new languages supported.
Not worth updating for me until more content like the fan building is available.
I have my AFTV set up to boot up FiredTV. Since I use it for all sorts of things, I like being able to get to all the various apps.
I don't use a memory app, haven't ran into a problem where I've thought I've needed one.
Game plays fine. All the games I play run fine for the most part. I tend to set graphics up to max possible.
While I don't expect everyone to like gaming on the occasion, there are other apps for the AFTV that are pretty good. I suggest booting up firedtv instead of XBMC and just move the XBMC icon to the first location, so it's a quick click away on boot up. Unless all you use it for is XBMC...
retroben said:
Try getting that memory booster and get to the point where it tells you that you have 1.1gb free memory or near that much.
Also try force stopping all of your listed apps that are not being used at the moment.
I am curious if using "Forced GPU Rendering" has anything to do with my FTV running it perfectly.
Removing XBMC might even make things worse.
XBMC just does not get along with Fire TV all that well.
It is the cause of some bricked FTVs.
Anyone else that actually has it working should reply here telling us what status your FTV is in:
Do you have XBMC or any other similar thing like kodi?
If yes,do you have it opened when successfully running Goat Simulator with proper graphics,or is it closed?
Are you using a RAM/memory boosting app?
If yes,what amount of RAM do you have left before opening Goat Simulator if it shows you?
Please answer most of these so others can figure out why it exits randomly.
Tips:To get it from another device,get it from one with the Adreno GPU or it will not work properly on Fire TV.
Learn how to transfer apps and their data files from a well written guide.
(I wish I knew where one was so I could link it.)
Good luck to others who try to get it working.
Edit:Also,Goat Simulator updated with "bug fixes" and new languages supported.
Not worth updating for me until more content like the fan building is available.
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I've had 1.4GB of memory free at one point. XBMC was not running, nor was anything else. Regardless of which version I install...I've installed from the playstore directly on the device about 5 times spoofing 5 different devices with Market Helper with no luck. I've tried installing "other" versions of the APK with no luck. I've tried updating to the latest firmware.....I also get the same result, the game without graphics, regardless of how much free memory/CPU. As per my screenshot in my first post...How is everyone else installing it?
Other users on the Play Store app page have replied with the same issue which makes me think it is getting the wrong version for even faked devices.
Unless none of the ones you faked as match up with Adreno as the GPU.
If you have another device that has an Adreno GPU and can run Goat Simulator on it,you might need to try and transfer to your Fire TV if you can figure out how.
Someone needs to tell the Google Play staff to add a version override that allows you to select the other device versions if yours is supported initially,and also have it tell you what GPU your device has.
That way if you get the wrong version,you can make it get the right one for your device.
Maybe it is one of those cases where it gets corrupted for some reason when downloading it for installing.
Just need to get the developers attention so they might eventually make it directly available to Fire TV.
roligov said:
I've had 1.4GB of memory free at one point. XBMC was not running, nor was anything else. Regardless of which version I install...I've installed from the playstore directly on the device about 5 times spoofing 5 different devices with Market Helper with no luck. I've tried installing "other" versions of the APK with no luck. I've tried updating to the latest firmware.....I also get the same result, the game without graphics, regardless of how much free memory/CPU. As per my screenshot in my first post...How is everyone else installing it?
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Download it via a torrent from a famous site that never gets shutdown matey.
In the archive is an andreno version, which is what I use.
Remember to purchase software that you use.
So which version do we need to download/find to install on FiretV?
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Has anyone here been able to set these up so they run smooth? N64oid has major slowdowns in Zelda and other resource intensive games. I am on HD reveloution where software rendering is disabled so its using the full PowerVR GPU. The Nexus has specs similar to the Galaxy S II and should not perform as slow as it is now.
Also in FPSE the analog sticks dont work and are not centered where you put you finger on the screen. Any ideas?
Also why does using the Microboes or bubbles live background lag the UI soooooo much.
I haven't used FPSE, but I've used n64oid quite a bit over the last few days. It's not 60fps but it's playable, depending on the game. That's not to say it's without bugs...
-Most games seem to randomly experience extreme slowdown and 3+ second hangs. This makes MarioKart and Starfox virtually unplayable at times.
-Sometimes it will sometimes completely freeze at these points of extreme slowdown, to the point where the game needs to be reset. This has gotten me into the habit of saving states FREQUENTLY.
-In Zelda OoT, the camera doesn't move at all in the courtyard of Hyrule castle, so you're effectively stuck at that point, since you can't see where you're going as soon as you walk off-screen. Obviously this isn't specific to the Gnex, but it's worth mentioning for the dev's information
I'm using a bone stock LTE 4.0.2 Galaxy Nexus.
Stadsport said:
I haven't used FPSE, but I've used n64oid quite a bit over the last few days. It's not 60fps but it's playable, depending on the game. That's not to say it's without bugs...
-Most games seem to randomly experience extreme slowdown and 3+ second hangs. This makes MarioKart and Starfox virtually unplayable at times.
-Sometimes it will sometimes completely freeze at these points of extreme slowdown, to the point where the game needs to be reset. This has gotten me into the habit of saving states FREQUENTLY.
-In Zelda OoT, the camera doesn't move at all in the courtyard of Hyrule castle, so you're effectively stuck at that point, since you can't see where you're going as soon as you walk off-screen. Obviously this isn't specific to the Gnex, but it's worth mentioning for the dev's information
I'm using a bone stock LTE 4.0.2 Galaxy Nexus.
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Under the development options in android see if there is a "Force GPU rendering" option and if there is check it and let me know if there are any changes.
I notices if you disable fog and stretch to fix screen on N64oid you see a HUGE performance increase.
Im hoping the dev for FPSE fixes the analog issues soon.
Like others, it seems to depend on the game. Metal Gear Solid is virtually unplayable on psx4droid, and doesn't even load on FSpe. Intelligent Qube works fine on FPse but doesn't load on psx4droid. As for N64oid, MarioKart actually works fine for me outside of a few audio skips here and there, it's pretty responsive. F-Zero X works flawlessly.
One thing I find troubling though is that when I hook up the MHL to HDMI adapter games that once played fine take a noticeable hit in performance. MarioKart becomes unplayable once I hook up the adapter. Does anyone know if the adapter demands more resources (GPU/CPU/RAM/etc)? I would imagine it does since the phone doubles the output instead of redirects it (phone display and MicroUSB out) but I also am not technical enough to really know how this stuff works. It's crummy, cuz playing the N64 and PSX emulators on my projector with a PS3 dual shock controller was one of the major things I was looking forward to with this phone. I see videos on youtube of people doing this on their GSII and it works fine. What gives? Is it ICS?
No its because the gn is pushing 2.4x more pixels than the gs2 and a less powerful gpu.
1280x720 vs 800x480
dwang said:
No its because the gn is pushing 2.4x more pixels than the gs2 and a less powerful gpu.
1280x720 vs 800x480
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That has yet to be fully determined. Some ppl hv smoother frame rates than other on the same game but different rom. Though it could be software and hardware related. We need to reach out to the dev (yongzh) and let him know
Zzim said:
Under the development options in android see if there is a "Force GPU rendering" option and if there is check it and let me know if there are any changes.
I notices if you disable fog and stretch to fix screen on N64oid you see a HUGE performance increase.
Im hoping the dev for FPSE fixes the analog issues soon.
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Forcing GPU didn't seem to make a difference, and actually seemed to crash some emulators. I've kept stretch off because N64 games aren't widescreen, and toggle fog made a VERY slight difference.
Mupen64Plus seems to be running a tad faster than n64oid. just set autoframe skip and max frame skip to 5. BUT the on screen controls keep disappearing and are rather tiny.
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Mupen64Plus seems to be running a tad faster than n64oid. just set autoframe skip and max frame skip to 5. BUT the on screen controls keep disappearing and are rather tiny.
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You're right, it's definitely running faster than n64oid. But the disappearing controls are obnoxious, and I think the emulator itself needs a little bit of polish. For example, if you lock the screen and wake it back up, it closes the emulator completely. Same if you get a call or something.
Has fpse implemented sixaxis controller app yet? Or using sixaxis or usb contoller period?
Crazy world, ay?
I've been using PS3 dualshock via sixaxis for FPse just fine since I've had the phone. Just have to map it out in the settings.
thirtynation said:
I've been using PS3 dualshock via sixaxis for FPse just fine since I've had the phone. Just have to map it out in the settings.
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Ok. I tried recently and it did not work completely. Any suggestions where i might've messed up?
Crazy world, ay?
Use the free sixaxis pairing app to assign the bluetooth address of your phone to the controller (requires hooking your controller up to your computer with a usb cable). Once you've done that, use the paid sixaxis app to actually pair the controller to the phone via bluetooth. Then, within FPse go into settings, input, hardware keys, and just map the buttons. I know you've probably done some of the beginning of that already, but I'm not really sure where you're having problems.
What do people think of the Kindle Fire TV in it's current state running the latest update?
I managed to get one on offer for £49 but even at that price I'm not sure I'd get much use out of it.
I'm not too bothered about Prime streaming (although I have it) - I wanted a powerful Android TV box that could run applications more easily than streaming my phone over Chromecast.
By the looks of things, the fact that rooting has been taken away, running side-loaded .apk apps is very difficult and cumbersome to get to through the menu system.
Before I return it, what do people think?
Reconsider Returning Your Fire TV
Try using the FiredTV Launcher before returning it. This launcher does not require root and will bring all sideloaded apps to the home screen with the ability to have access to the Amazon content as well. It is customizable and is the best alternative launcher for non rooted Fire TV devices. And XBMC/Kodi/SPMC run great on the Fire TV.
Didn't the latest firmware add non-rooted access to apk installing from unknown sources?
Sell your AFTV and get a decent Android Box! The AFTV is crippled and locked down beyond anything. You can only get happy with it if you use Instant Video and their Appstore. Workarounds with XMBC not work reliable: launcher sometimes crashes, Instant Video gives you error if you not closed XMBC properly, no external storage, keyboard layout cannot be changed, standby not works reliable, .... the list is endless. Yeah basically you can watch a movie with XBMC but everything around it is a pain in the a** although the hardware is decent.
Software root is broken for very long already and also people failed to get it rooted by a hardware hack. And in this forum are some very skilled people as I know. I not see any tiny evidence that there is a new root in sight.
Go ahead and sell this useless brick and get a android Box. Make sure to check out freaktab.com before you decide.
Whenever a box with Nvidia K1 comes out,get that if it does not cost too much,and hopefully it will have 2GB of RAM.
sebr said:
Sell your AFTV and get a decent Android Box! The AFTV is crippled and locked down beyond anything. You can only get happy with it if you use Instant Video and their Appstore. Workarounds with XMBC not work reliable: launcher sometimes crashes, Instant Video gives you error if you not closed XMBC properly, no external storage, keyboard layout cannot be changed, standby not works reliable, .... the list is endless. Yeah basically you can watch a movie with XBMC but everything around it is a pain in the a** although the hardware is decent.
Software root is broken for very long already and also people failed to get it rooted by a hardware hack. And in this forum are some very skilled people as I know. I not see any tiny evidence that there is a new root in sight.
Go ahead and sell this useless brick and get a android Box. Make sure to check out freaktab.com before you decide.
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You cannot compare a plug and play android box with limited hardware to a super powered AFTV. Most of the issues has been fixed and being refined.
If you want a ready made box, then be happy with hardware issues.
guys is the stick worth buying i bought the box around a year ago but it was very locked down, im looking to use it for apps like showbox ,xbmc etc
is it easy enough to do and how does it compare to s802 boxes?
Geekbench
Fire TV Stick
Single Core: 299
Multi Core: 558
s802
Single Core: 488
Multi Core: 1012
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The Fire TV Stick is still closed down - with only adb and sideloading enabled, there is no software root for the device. Launcher functionality can be added by installing AFTV Launcher Helper and Fired TV.
Kodi runs great, no hardware limitations noticable at all, except when you use the EPG in Kodis Live TV section.
Retroarch can emulate SNES roms on it "fine" (not perfectly), and GBA roms "boarderline acceptable". N64 roms are out of the question.
Also Android 4.2 is getting old.
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So whats so great about the FIre TV Stick?
Great form factor, good remote, fully capable Kodi device, for a third of the price of other Kodi boxes.
Are there limitations that you will run into? Yes (For both of your usecases - no). But its still the probably most attractive Kodi device on the market right now, because of its price scaling. And because Kodi is running perfectly in almost all use cases. Its not usual that you only sacrifice performance in lower price tiers - but in this case, you really only sacrifice performance.
edit: Also all Android Boxes right now are incapable of outputing 24p without the pulldown stutter (which can be compensated by the TV if it is new enough) - so spending too much money on such a box might not be advisable. Spend considerably less on them - and you suddenly might find yourself to be able to live with it... (Most people dont even recognize it, but then - who cares about most people.)
I have a Stick and a S802 Matricom G-Box Q (which has some firmware issues, but is overall pretty decent):
- The Stick is flat-out better for premium streaming apps like Netflix, Hulu and Amazon (not available on standard Android boxes) due to the custom UIs that only need a d-pad remote (not a mouse/touchscreen) and availability of HD streaming. I hear it's better for things like SlingTV and HBOGo as well, but I haven't tried them.
- They are pretty equivalent for Kodi/XBMC; really, I haven't had any issues on either device.
- The Stick is worse for Showbox, HD Cinema and Mobdro because they REQUIRE a mouse/touch screen to work correctly and, because of the locked-down FireTV UI, they don't show up on the home screen and it's just more steps to get to them. There are several bluetooth mini keyboards with touchpads that will connect to the Stick (you can't use a 2.4GHz mouse/keyboard because you don't have anywhere to plug in the USB receiver), I'm not a big fan of those so I use Remote Mouse for FireTV on my iPhone, it actually works pretty well.
It really comes back to which apps you expect to use most of the time and what kind of remote control/mouse/keyboard you are comfortable with.
EDIT: With respect to speed, the Stick UI is pretty fast and responsive. If you run the devices side by side you can see that apps open faster and seem to "work" faster on the S802 box, but it's not a big deal. I'd say the stick generally takes 2-4 seconds to open an app, while the Q takes 1-2 seconds. Interestingly enough, the Stick reboots much faster than my Q.
After two days with an Nvidia Shield Android TV , there are many pluses and minuses, but over all, it has BY FAR the best hardware of any android based box on the market... no question at all about that, and here are what I think are the biggest pluses and minuses.
PLUSES
- amazing smoothness in interface - no jerky, delays etc at all
- superb playback of all media, smoother than any box I have seen
- 192khz 24 bit audio output (kodi and mxplayer but I am not sure if they are able to output at that HD rate)
- very well built, sexy touch activated standby button
- very easy to get up and running with controller etc
- shield game streaming service is flawless, fast, smooth, HD
- gaming controller is high quality, has a microphone for voice input and a headphone socket, which work well.
- Voice search within Play Music for artist or track works very well, extremely fast.
- playing Flash-based websites like TennisTV.com etc on Dolphin in Desktop mode is way better than any other box I have tried (and I have tried MANY)
MINUSES
- have to sideload many apps you may want, like TED, BBC iPlayer, IMDB, Spotify, Movie Mate etc.. even Chrome Browser - but relatively easy to work around using APK Extractor to get APK's from your phone, and Chainfire's sideload launcher.
- no up front display of non-Android TV specific apps
- no recent apps
- no way to get to "now playing" with some apps like Spotify if you had returned home, unless its a leanback app
- no notifications
- no mouse on desktop, backpace key on keyboard not working as backspace but as left mouse click
- Keyboard is USA only, so UK users have to know, for example, that " and @ have swopped places
- voice search from the home screen does not find music artists on google play music or spotify, but only youtube... so "play van morrison" will play a track from youtube, and not from the 25 van morrison albums I have already uploaded to Play Music.
- my tv keeps on cropping a lot off the screen, there is no way to adjust the screen crop size, to reduce size so it fits better on my screen... I can adjust my screen but that is a hassle.
- very little customisation, settings limited too.
There is at least one NON-Android TV ROM for this device, so you can fix almost all of those Minuses, and you can run it using Squarehome or NovaLauncher or whatever you like, but I am not sure I actually NEED to customise the box. Personally I use it for Kodi, Spotify, Play Music, TuneIn Radio, Youtube, Movie Mate, all of which works fine... so for the moment, I am not rooting the box, and am adjusting my expectations and enjoying what works fantastically well, pretty much everything.
This is FAR and away the best box I have ever had, goodbye Tronsmart Drako, Minix Neo X8H+ etc, this is WAY beyond. At some point I may change to plain android, but so far I am fine with a couple of extra steps to be able to enjoy the voice input and superb power and playback capabilities.
Mark.
Hi. I'm located in Ireland and looking for android TV box for my FHD projector. I'm considering MINIX Neo X8H+ or Nvidia Shield TV box (not yet available). What advantages of one over the other would you point? Thanks!
The Answer to The Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything is: CLEAN FLASH.
Natakranta said:
Hi. I'm located in Ireland and looking for android TV box for my FHD projector. I'm considering MINIX Neo X8H+ or Nvidia Shield TV box (not yet available). What advantages of one over the other would you point? Thanks!
The Answer to The Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything is: CLEAN FLASH.
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Minix Neo offers access to almost all the play store apps without needing to sideload, with the Shield you need to sideload some apps, which isnt hard. The Shield has far better hardware, so you will get smoother HD playback, no question. If playing video is your main think, then the Shield's faster graphics, faster processor is the way to go. They are both good boxes, but my Minix Neo x8hplus is currently UNPLUGGED!
fredphoesh said:
Minix Neo offers access to almost all the play store apps without needing to sideload, with the Shield you need to sideload some apps, which isnt hard. The Shield has far better hardware, so you will get smoother HD playback, no question. If playing video is your main think, then the Shield's faster graphics, faster processor is the way to go. They are both good boxes, but my Minix Neo x8hplus is currently UNPLUGGED!
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I'd like to connect external 2GB HDD USB 3 to the box. Make it media storage to play on the connected to the box projector and available for all devices in home through my local WiFi.
How could I remotely control the box to manage utorrent on it from my phone, at home thorough local WiFi or externally when I'm away. Possible?
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Natakranta said:
I'd like to connect external 2GB HDD USB 3 to the box. Make it media storage to play on the connected to the box projector and available for all devices in home through my local WiFi.
How could I remotely control the box to manage utorrent on it from my phone, at home thorough local WiFi or externally when I'm away. Possible?
The Answer to The Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything is: CLEAN FLASH.
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Hi, sorry, no idea, I use it for streaming...
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fredphoesh said:
MINUSES
- no up front display of non-Android TV specific apps
- no recent apps
- no way to get to "now playing" with some apps like Spotify if you had returned home, unless its a leanback app
- very little customisation, settings limited too.
Mark.
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Hi Mark! For your minuses mentioned above, you might want to consider HALauncher found in the Play Store. I'm using this on my Nvidia Shield Console/TV and it looks and works better than the default Android TV "Home" launcher. This apps allows you to create your own Home screen with rows of your customized apps. For example, I have a row for my Emulators, Racing Games, Space Shooters, Sports Games, TV apps, etc. You can arrange these rows and apps anyway you want. You can also use your own background image. You can also rename the apps to your liking and edit the icons for higher quality 320x180 images. Everything looks great now. This is what Android TV home launcher should be like. The only thing that is missing now is a button for rebooting the system, and another one for shutting it down!
Check out the images below to see what HALauncher can do:
http://postimg.org/image/kuncrk5tf/
http://postimg.org/image/57w3e6s1f/
http://postimg.org/image/fkie09lkj
http://postimg.org/image/mjwfzmlir/
-- Manny
funtasticguy said:
Hi Mark! For your minuses mentioned above, you might want to consider HALauncher found in the Play Store. I'm using this on my Nvidia Shield Console/TV and it looks and works better than the default Android TV "Home" launcher. This apps allows you to create your own Home screen with rows of your customized apps. For example, I have a row for my Emulators, Racing Games, Space Shooters, Sports Games, TV apps, etc. You can arrange these rows and apps anyway you want. You can also use your own background image. You can also rename the apps to your liking and edit the icons for higher quality 320x180 images. Everything looks great now. This is what Android TV home launcher should be like. The only thing that is missing now is a button for rebooting the system, and another one for shutting it down!
Check out the images below to see what HALauncher can do:
http://postimg.org/image/kuncrk5tf/
http://postimg.org/image/57w3e6s1f/
http://postimg.org/image/fkie09lkj
http://postimg.org/image/mjwfzmlir/
-- Manny
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Hi Manny,
Yep, I've been using it for a few days and like it a lot.
My gripes are that the voice search doesn't work properly and always shows empty results, and there is no "now playing" function... and the lack of a power button. For some reason ALT-Tab doesn't show recent apps. Oh, there is no ALL APPS function either, so new apps are invisible till you edit the home screen. But yeah, the best home screen for the SATV for sure.
Cheers,
Mark
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I agree with pretty much everything you said, I've had mine for two weeks and I love it. I have Kodi running to play local media, plex to stream stuff from friends servers, Netflix (which really upped their game since the last time I subscribed a year or two ago), along with tons of games. This will only get better over time, its still a relatively new product. I'm still debating on whether or not to root it, I think I'm going to but will be keeping the stock launcher because I like it, despite the lack of "recent apps" which I still don't understand why they didn't include it. The only reason I want to root it is so that I can install the Xinstaller module from Xposed so all my apps will install to my sdcard and not the internal memory.
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I have had mine a few weeks and it is definitely a really nice device and it is crazy fast!
Really the only gripe I have is 4K support but that isn't Nvidia's fault. Basically because I am running through a processor (more or less an AVR without an amp) and HDMI 2.0 standard is not used on them, Netflix won't show 4K content on the device unless I am directly connected to the TV.
Fortunately Ultraflix works at 4K and everything else does as well.
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I agree with pretty much everything you said, I've had mine for two weeks and I love it. I have Kodi running to play local media, plex to stream stuff from friends servers, Netflix (which really upped their game since the last time I subscribed a year or two ago), along with tons of games. This will only get better over time, its still a relatively new product. I'm still debating on whether or not to root it, I think I'm going to but will be keeping the stock launcher because I like it, despite the lack of "recent apps" which I still don't understand why they didn't include it. The only reason I want to root it is so that I can install the Xinstaller module from Xposed so all my apps will install to my sdcard and not the internal memory.
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Try HALauncher, it is good enough for me to not install a custom rom and root... So far! Also once you root you'll have to manually install rom updates and reinstall apps etc... Also you can move most apps to sd card. DON'T set to Automatically Move apps to SD card, that doesn't work. Install to system then move them to SD card in app settings after player no the game once.
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Had mine for about a week and like it an awful lot.
As someone who bought an Ouya, I must say focusing on the media services first THEN worrying about gaming made this a MUCH BETTER product.
I am a bit disappointed I can't have my HBO Go on it, there's currently no Amazon Video and the Netflix app needs better voice options, but I'm really digging the Gamestream from my PC upstairs to the downstairs TV, It works most of the time without a hitch. The only time it doesn't is when I'm playing my Steam games and the Ubisoft games try to go through Uplay and Uplay crashes or its a game I've never ran before and Steam itself crashes because it doesn't seem to like running a game in Big Picture mode if it has never been opened and ran at least once on my PC in normal Steam mode first, and those are client problems, not Nvidia issues so can't fault them there.
Yes, having to install some of my apps from the PC through the Play Store is a bit of a pain, but it also keeps the kids from loading it up with a bunch of useless crap, so I'd say its a fair trade.
tobalaz said:
Had mine for about a week and like it an awful lot.
As someone who bought an Ouya, I must say focusing on the media services first THEN worrying about gaming made this a MUCH BETTER product.
I am a bit disappointed I can't have my HBO Go on it, there's currently no Amazon Video and the Netflix app needs better voice options, but I'm really digging the Gamestream from my PC upstairs to the downstairs TV, It works most of the time without a hitch. The only time it doesn't is when I'm playing my Steam games and the Ubisoft games try to go through Uplay and Uplay crashes or its a game I've never ran before and Steam itself crashes because it doesn't seem to like running a game in Big Picture mode if it has never been opened and ran at least once on my PC in normal Steam mode first, and those are client problems, not Nvidia issues so can't fault them there.
Yes, having to install some of my apps from the PC through the Play Store is a bit of a pain, but it also keeps the kids from loading it up with a bunch of useless crap, so I'd say its a fair trade.
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Oh yes, speaking of Gamestream, what does everyone think of the quality?
I tried it both before and after the update that was supposed to improve the quality and have not been that impressed. The bitrate seems somewhat low and I get random stutter and both the PC and Shield are wired gigabit.
Well as far as Gamestream goes for me, I've got my win7 gaming rig w/ an i5, 12gb ram and gtx 750ti hardwired to my Buffalo AC1750 and the Shield on 5g to a 42" 1080p TV and I've no problems with it, everything runs smoothly, well, smoothly when Uplay isn't f*cking everything up...
I had issues initially so I had to go into my router and change the settings for my 5ghz channel.
OK interesting, maybe it is is an issue with SLI since I am running 3 Titan Xs, i7, 32GB RAM, etc through an Asus RT-AC3200. I will try disabling SLI and see if that helps.
mutelight said:
OK interesting, maybe it is is an issue with SLI since I am running 3 Titan Xs, i7, 32GB RAM, etc through an Asus RT-AC3200. I will try disabling SLI and see if that helps.
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You've really peaked my interest here, was the SLI making it not work correctly? Like maybe the video encoding being slit amongst the cards wasn't working too well?
I'm about to upgrade my 750ti so it'd be nice to know if it was SLI or just isn't playing nice with your Titan.
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You've really peaked my interest here, was the SLI making it not work correctly? Like maybe the video encoding being slit amongst the cards wasn't working too well?
I'm about to upgrade my 750ti so it'd be nice to know if it was SLI or just isn't playing nice with your Titan.
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It is honestly hard to say, I still need to try disabling SLI to see if it helps. Also I should mention I have been running Windows 10 for a couple months now there have been a few driver updates for it since I tried it last.
Video calling only available for the Shield ATV
One unique feature on the Shield ATV is the camera support.
Just plug a camera and it works! I've been checking out other Android SmartTV's and set-top-boxes, but yet couldn't find any other device having this support.
And, there is already a video calling android tv app on google play called "Tellybean - Easy video calling". It works perfectly on the Shield ATV.
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One unique feature on the Shield ATV is the camera support.
Just plug a camera and it works! I've been checking out other Android SmartTV's and set-top-boxes, but yet couldn't find any other device having this support.
And, there is already a video calling android tv app on google play called "Tellybean - Easy video calling". It works perfectly on the Shield ATV.
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Nice, but surely Hangouts works just fine, and even Skype?
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Nice, but surely Hangouts works just fine, and even Skype?
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Your right. Since shield has camera support basically any video calling app might work. But I don't believe they work as smooth as Tellybean. Skype and hangout does not have Android TV apps (not gonna have one any time soon). They don't exist on google play for Android TV. You need to sideload their default android app.
Also, their UX is fine for a mobile app but not so much for a TV app. They don't really fit into the leanback UI. Not so usable if you are sitting on the couch and just want to have a video call. I use hangouts and skype on my smartphone and laptop but Tellybean on my TV
Tellybean is an Android TV app, shows up on Leanback launcher and it works smoothly on the shield ATV.
tobalaz said:
Well as far as Gamestream goes for me, I've got my win7 gaming rig w/ an i5, 12gb ram and gtx 750ti hardwired to my Buffalo AC1750 and the Shield on 5g to a 42" 1080p TV and I've no problems with it, everything runs smoothly, well, smoothly when Uplay isn't f*cking everything up...
I had issues initially so I had to go into my router and change the settings for my 5ghz channel.
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Hello! From Italy here! 10 days I have a 16Gb unit I struggle with Ethernet AND wifi 5Gb connection! Wifi N working about fine. Netgear R7000 and Fastweb FTTS connection 85MBps! I only get 10 MBps at most, and this is the only device that gets this low! Need to solve this or ask for replacement the soonest! Any help much appreciated.
Regards
Alessandro
The threads on custom ROMS are generating lots of posts.
Some questions are asked multiple times, some are never answered (because lost in the flow)... making it hard to take a clear decision about with custom ROM to flash, if any at all.
Thus, I'd like to use this thread to discuss about the "pros and cons" of each method, or rather the "possibilities and limitations" of them.
For the moment, this would include the three following ROM:
- The stock ROM (the one you get which your fresh Shield TV)
- The StockRestyle 3.0 ROM, provided by @zulu99, see the thread here
- The Full Android Marshmallow ROM, provided by @zulu99, see the thread here
The goal is not to encourage you to go in one or the other directions, but to provide objective arguments. This is why I wrote "possibilities and limitations" are preferred to "pros and cons"
Please comment in this thread, and I'll update the following posts regularly.
1) The stock ROM
Link to Nvidia Open Source Resources and Drivers here
No operation required, this is the standard ROM already installed on the Shield TV -> Just Plug and Play!
Shield TV game controller and remote fully working wireless (Wifi-Direct), including Voice search, and headset plug.
Can play Nvidia specialized games - Doom 3/Metal Gear Solid/Android based or Geforce Now streamed.
Play store limited to Leanback-compatible apps (Shield TV runs Android TV)
- Thus, the number of compatible apps is limited (also due to the absence of touchscreen, obviously)
- Some apps cannot be installed at all, or cannot be run properly
Standard applications (not available as Leanback-compatible apps, e.g. web-browser...) can/need be sideloaded
- By defalt, sideloaded apps don't appear in the standard Home menu
- Sideloaded apps can be started using Sideload Launcher or Apk2tv
Standard applications can also be installed directly from Play store using Market Helper. NOTE: this requires root access.
Keyboard and Trackpad devices do not produce too much efficiency due to rom limitations
Unability to use a remote desktop
Apps related
No web brower installed, but Chrome (or others) can be sideloaded.
Skype for Leanback isn't working: calling buttons cannot be selected, no video call button.
Kodi can be installed. It allows you to stream content directly to your TV
To be checked:
Amazon fire TV 4K remote and game controlled can be paired using the Shield Accessories tool. (Works on the StockRestyle)
2) The StockRestyle 3.0 ROM
Link to the thread here
Requires to flash the ROM. The process is rather simple, but as always to avoid risks you should know what you are doing. Reading carefully the main post of the thread related to this ROM, and at least the last comments and those from zulu99 is recommended.
Full Play store available (access to more games. Yet, touchscreen-only games cannot be played with a game controller)
Aptoide TV filters apps that are compatible with Android TV. For example, for Skype, the standard Aptoide app provides the last version of Skype (6.26 for the moment, which is not working on this ROM), while Aptoide TV provides the version 6.15.
Shield TV game controller globally working
- Some issues reported with the new version of the game controller: Home and Back buttons not working well.
- Voice search button first starts Google search, a second press (not a double press) starts Voice search
The Nova interface is designed for touch and/or mouse and/or keyboard actions
- Most of the interface can be used using a remote or a game controller
- But, the configuration often requires a mouse (or at least, is faster to use with a mouse)
- A wireless all-in-one keyboard is a good device to use with, e.g. Logitech K400 Plus (others are good too, but this one is battery-friendly)
Web browser usable in full desktop mode, e.g. Chrome (without ads if you download adaway, root required)
Multitasking may look limited. Yet, you can use Alt-Tab on the keyboard to switch between apps
No Android Navigation (softkeys) or Status Bar (e.g. You do not get to see notifications/download progress/etc)
Amazon fire TV 4K remote and game controlled can be paired using the Shield Accessories tool. They won't appear in the list of connected devices, but they are working well, including microphone.
It may feel like a bit of a strange mix, not really remote-friendly, but not really full Android capable either. However, this is the only know solution to keep the proprietary tools from NVidia working while having a standard Android interface.
Apps related
Skype 6.14 and 6.15.x are fully working, i.e. audio and video calls, using UVC webcams (tried with Logitech C920 and C930)
Some easy fixes
Settings App: First step after install - Go to Widgets> Nova Activity and selecting Settings app so that is shows up on desktop
Remote/Controller Friendly Navigation in the App-Drawer: Nova-launcher setting for App-Drawer needs to changed from Vertical to Horizontal
Foreign external keyboard can be remapped using one of the many apps available
- External Keyboard Helper Pro is working well in my case: Android interface in English (US), external keyboards in German (QWERTZ, Logitech K400 Plus and Logitech K830). You can try the demo version for free. PS: I'm not linked in anyway to the developers of this app.
3) The Full Android Marshmallow ROM
Link to the thread here
Requires to flash the ROM. The process is rather simple, but as always to avoid risks you should know what you are doing. Reading carefully the main post of the thread related to this ROM, and at least the last comments and those from zulu99 is recommended.
Smooth, fast, responsive ROM
Full Play store available, more standard applications should be compatible
Leanback only applications can also be launched using an tweak tool: QuickShortcutMaker (see video here)
Shield TV game controllers not working wireless (using Wifi-Direct) but working as normal a standard gamepad when connected via USB
Shield TV remote control working (using Bluetooth), including audio. [Confirmed here]
Long-term update is questionable because it depends only on the person who is providing this ROM (even though this person is very active)
To be checked or confirmed by several users
Some slower performance (frame rates) in games from stock-restyle (feedback based on Rom ver. 1.0, not sure about 1.1) [Mentioned here]
- This could indeed be a counterpart of all what is running in the background of full Android (see here). In others words, full Android is more general in the sense it offers more possibilities, but at the same time it cannot be expert in all those aspects. Thus Android purist would prefer to go for this ROM while Nvidia gamers may prefer to stay on the Stock or StockRestyle ROMs. In the end, YOU make the final choice.
Shield TV remote control working (using Bluetooth), including audio.
- Working: here
- Not working well: here
You could possibly add another or include as an option to #1.
Stock Rooted with Market Helper (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2146216) device spoofer or the other hack.
Options are good.
IamSonoma said:
You could possibly add another or include as an option to #1.
Stock Rooted with Market Helper (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2146216) device spoofer or the other hack.
Options are good.
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It is quiet in here. I was interested in seeing some responses. Maybe an anonymous poll.
If I had more time, less family, less places to fish I would run 3 boxes and compare them all. I would always need to have one that is stock and family friendly for the wife and the kids.
When i bought mine a month ago I was hoping there was more community support but it may take more time to catch on. Luckily Zulu gives us two options to toy with. They work pretty good. Statistically speaking and I could be wrong, About 90% of the people making a purchase like this just want to plug and play and have no desire to tweak or tinker. I know this because out of the 6 in my family I am the only one that even thinks "can I root it?" when I am researching it. The rest of my family just want to plug and play. They want simple.
As for me I want it to over-clock, play games without CDs (Wii<family loved this but I have a tone of unwrapped games> and xBox with external HDDs), aging my self here play a game using two 5 1/4" floppy drives with all files working on 2 disks instead of 6 disks(AD&D SSI games), running android on my tilt 2 slide out keyboard sell phone, I could go on.
I really hope development picks up. I only wish I could help more. I do encourage Zulu and others to continue.
IamSonoma said:
It is quiet in here. I was interested in seeing some responses. Maybe an anonymous poll.
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I was also hoping for more feedback.
Indeed, the last few weeks I was struggling to find the best ROM that would suit my need. After reading the 200+ pages of post in the thread of the ROM proposed by @zulu99, I had hard time to extract the right information.
Thus, the idea of this post: I want to present objective points of comparison, I have no apps to sell.
The point is also to avoid the post like "Which ROM should I pick?". If the advantages and limitations are clearly listed, everyone should be able to make his/her own decision, all ROMs are good, it only depends on what you want to do with it.
PS: In my case, I wanted to 1) keep the Nvidia Shield TV game controllers (and my Fire TV 4K remote and game controllers), and 2) to have Skype working. Thus, my final choice for the StockRestyle ROM.
Mythamp's Review of the Roms
Stock Rom
Pros:
1. Ideal for basic 4K TV owners who want to stream all current channels of 4K content
2. Can play Nvidia specialized games - Doom 3/Metal Gear Solid/Android based or Geforce Now streamed
3. Remote and Controller work great
4. Kodi allows you to stream content directly to your TV
Cons:
1. Small selection of Android TV Apps
2. Browsers and Non-Android TV apps need to be side-loaded
3. Cannot install most Non-Android TV apps
4. Keyboard and Trackpad devices do not produce too much efficiency due to rom limitations
5. Unable to remote desktop into the device incase you wish to send remote instructions to download content so that you can come home and enjoy.
Overall:
The Stock Rom is unable to take advantage of Android. It is a cumbersome process for people who like quick responses. I would say it is as limited as any other 4k TV's with Android built-in apart from a few Nvidia games. Trust me, this does not justify the $150 investment.
Stock-Restyle Rom
Pros:
1. All of the pros of Stock Rom including full controller and remote support plus
2. Install unlimited Android Apps taking full advantage of the Google Play Store
For Example:
• Use "Airdroid" app (root required) to remote mirror your device from work and have all the content ready when you get home.
• Play thousands of Android games on your 4k TV
• Use Chrome in full desktop mode (root required) without ads (download adaway) - almost as good as a desktop Chrome. Great for quick browsing.
3. Less cumbersome to move around by using a Keyboard with Trackpad (I personally use the "Logitech K400 Plus")
Cons:
1. Multitasking may look limited - yet you can use Alt-Tab on the keyboard to switch between apps
2. Many Android apps (mostly games) require touch, which can be done using android mobile device with Droidmote installed. Some games can be played using the Keyboard/Trackpad combo but its a hit & miss.
3. No Android Navigation (softkeys) or Status Bar (Eg. You do not get to see notifications/download progress/etc)
4. It is technically not a Full/Clean Android as it has Nvidia's framework still builtin
5. Some easy fixes FYI
• Settings App: First step after install - Go to Widgets> Nova Activity and selecting Settings app so that is shows up on desktop
• Remote/Controller Friendly Navigation: Nova-launcher setting for App-Drawer needs to changed from Vertical to Horizontal
Overall:
The Stock-Restyle Rom is in my opinion the best rom for the Nvidia Shield TV. It opens the device to all the Android & Google Play Store goodie-ness, while allowing you to use the fantastic shield controller and remote to play/stream all nvidia and some android games. I have also personally found that android games run smoother on this rom than on the Full Android Rom (Maybe its because the rom is based on the nvidia framework, I could be wrong.)
Bottomline - install this rom before trying the rest.
Full Android Marshmallow Rom
Pros:
1. Amazingly smooth, fast, responsive rom
2. You get the full Android experience
3. Includes all the pros of the above Roms
Cons:
1. No support for Nvidia controller wirelessly, you can use it by plugging in the cable and installing keyboard drivers
2. Noticed some slower performance (framerates) in games from stock-restyle (feedback based on Rom ver. 1.0, not sure about 1.1)
Overall:
The Full Android Marshmallow Rom is a great solution for Android purists. You will miss-out on the seamless (wireless) experience of playing all the Nvidia/Android Games. If someone can get the wireless controllers to work here, I will be the first one to shift over from stock-restyle rom.
- This is just my opinion on the roms based on my usage, I am sure many users have their unique needs which might not match my feedback, so please take all this with an open mind -
mythamp said:
2. Noticed some slower performance (framerates) in games from stock-restyle (feedback based on Rom ver. 1.0, not sure about 1.1)
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Stock, StockRestyle and full Android, on the gaming part, more precisly on Accelerated 3D Graphics, have the exact same components. Are Identical.
I extract this part from stock firmware and are Nvidia proprietary blob. ( every developer can compare the files )
Every Nvidia exclusive games are working on all 3 firmwares in the same way.
But in full Android you can have also more normal games compatible in addition to all Nvidia exclusive games.
Also for Audio and hardware video decode the 3 firmwares have the same components.
There is only one, very important difference between the 3 firmwares. Only full Android have the full Android framework, permissions and components and in the real life you can translate this as more compatibility with millions apps in Google Play. For the present and for the future.
just to be precise.
P.S.
But attention, don't forget that if you run Windows XP on a modern PC, for sure is faster than Windows 10. Why ? Because Windows 10 have more things.
I think that Android TV is not comparable with full Android for the simple reason that Android TV is a stripped down version of full Android.
But if you don't need everything that Android can offer, you can use also Android TV.
Another fact, very simple, is:
If you want everything that Android can offer on TV, a controller or a remote with only directional keys are not sufficient. And if you prefer only directional keys, you will have barriers, limitations and slow interaction forever. Instead if you use a better input device you can have also a full OS on TV that for me is better, because i can do things of both worlds.
It all depends on what you use and what you know, the most important fact is that you can choose.
Great thread, I'm just trying to decide which to install on my Shield when amazon delivers it.
I'm really thinking of using Full Android but have bought the nvidia remote control too (mainly for the audio jack). So..
Is the Shield remote working or not on Full Android (is it bluetooth or works like the controller?). Can anyone point it out, please? Thank you!
grievous2004 said:
Great thread, I'm just trying to decide which to install on my Shield when amazon delivers it.
I'm really thinking of using Full Android but have bought the nvidia remote control too (mainly for the audio jack). So..
Is the Shield remote working or not on Full Android (is it bluetooth or works like the controller?). Can anyone point it out, please? Thank you!
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it work, also audio.
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zulu99 said:
Stock, StockRestyle and full Android, on the gaming part, more precisly on Accelerated 3D Graphics, have the exact same components. Are Identical.
I extract this part from stock firmware and are Nvidia proprietary blob. ( every developer can compare the files )
Every Nvidia exclusive games are working on all 3 firmwares in the same way.
But in full Android you can have also more normal games compatible in addition to all Nvidia exclusive games.
Also for Audio and hardware video decode the 3 firmwares have the same components.
There is only one, very important difference between the 3 firmwares. Only full Android have the full Android framework, permissions and components and in the real life you can translate this as more compatibility with millions apps in Google Play. For the present and for the future.
just to be precise.
P.S.
But attention, don't forget that if you run Windows XP on a modern PC, for sure is faster than Windows 10. Why ? Because Windows 10 have more things.
I think that Android TV is not comparable with full Android for the simple reason that Android TV is a stripped down version of full Android.
But if you don't need everything that Android can offer, you can use also Android TV.
Another fact, very simple, is:
If you want everything that Android can offer on TV, a controller or a remote with only directional keys are not sufficient. And if you prefer only directional keys, you will have barriers, limitations and slow interaction forever. Instead if you use a better input device you can have also a full OS on TV that for me is better, because i can do things of both worlds.
It all depends on what you use and what you know, the most important fact is that you can choose.
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All the remarks have been considered in the comparison threads.
One question about the remote on full Android answered.
JulienPr said:
All the remarks have been considered in the comparison threads.
One question about the remote on full Android answered.
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The remote works for me sometimes but I usually end up ditching it because it is a pain. Sometimes I can pause a show and walk away. Sometimes it does not. I am not sure if it is loosing sync or not.
Voice does not work. Volume control is iffy. It does pause videos with the volume slider on occasion. When I hit the home button it will sometimes go there. It has become useless to me. I am glad it was free.
My issues probably do not reflect the ROM(full android) but I remember it working when ever I picked it up on stock android. I am just not ready to go back.
IamSonoma said:
The remote works for me sometimes but I usually end up ditching it because it is a pain. Sometimes I can pause a show and walk away. Sometimes it does not. I am not sure if it is loosing sync or not.
Voice does not work. Volume control is iffy. It does pause videos with the volume slider on occasion. When I hit the home button it will sometimes go there. It has become useless to me. I am glad it was free.
My issues probably do not reflect the ROM(full android) but I remember it working when ever I picked it up on stock android. I am just not ready to go back.
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Maybe again an issue with the version of the remote or game controller.
I noticed that on the StockRestyle, the old version of the game controller was working perfect while the new version had issues with the Home, Back and Search buttons (both using the same firmware update).
Might it be the same with the remote? Is there an old version (with Home button represented by a house).
See the difference for the game controllers:
Version 1, this model is still the one you get when bought separately.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Version 2, this model is the one included now with the shield.
JulienPr said:
Maybe again an issue with the version of the remote or game controller.
I noticed that on the StockRestyle, the old version of the game controller was working perfect while the new version had issues with the Home, Back and Search buttons (both using the same firmware update).
Might it be the same with the remote? Is there an old version (with Home button represented by a house).
See the difference for the game controllers:
Version 1, this model is still the one you get when bought separately.
Version 2, this model is the one included now with the shield.
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I have version 2.
IamSonoma said:
I have version 2.
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I don't know if there was a "version 1" of the remote, I cannot find any trace of it.
But, since they change the design of the Home button to be a circle only on the V2 of the game controller, and that it's the same as the V2 of the remote, it wouldn't be surprising if there was a V1 of the remote with similar symbol as the V1 of the game controller.
@zulu99, which remote do you have?
Love this thread guys as I've been considering another ROM but didn't know the clear pros and cons of Full Android and now this ReStyle one which I'm very interested in. I have a few questions for anyone. Perhaps the answers could gain momentum for many others as you guys are absolutely right that AndroidTV's app selection isn't just lacking, it feels like AndroidTV apps exist and the consumers want them, but the interface for getting them or allowing users to simply inform specific developers the demand to support it is insanely behind. On the desktop play store you can't even sort or filter Android TV apps other than seeing these two specific links unless an active user is seeking blogs or postings regarding them.
Apps for Android TV
Games for Android TV
Gotta vent a bit the already known... feel free to skip down...
On the stock play store, you can search for apps but not having even top charts or proper categories other than the useless 'featured' in addition to strong limitations is hurting as a whole. Some of the biggest brands out there have no or heavily limited apps for ATV, including even many tv channels like TNT or ESPN. I think Nvidia or Google for the time being should at least allow the detection of a mouse and keyboard to least show apps that 'might work' rather than none and give the user the option to control that. Hopefully Android N will improve things with the Picture in Picture and maybe even DVR abilities. Love this box but even though Android is a strength, it's also a weakness in the shade of a very sensitive cycle. More users --> More developers thus more apps --> More users --> More developers --> etc... I feel like the users are there, but while developers are increasingly aware, it should grow faster, and Google should help that awareness.
Anyways my questions were:
1) Does HDMI-CEC still work? Currently in stock it works in turning on the tv and with the tv on its Source Input, off with tv, and controlled by tv remote but not with volume (shield remote controlling tv volume).
2) Any loss of functionality with Casting? More specifically I usually cast from Youtube, Plex, Google Photos, and Mirror Casting from Nexus phone.
3) Any loss of 4K support, including Youtube, Plex, VLC, MXPlayer, or hopefully introduction of HDR support (doesn't work natively on Shield perhaps because of the HDMI 2.0a not yet being implemented). I'm interested in keeping Full dynamic range and ability to toggle 4K 60 and 4K 24fps along with Plex (with Refresh Rate Switching for native 24fps support in 60 mode). So I guess along with this can AndroidTV specific apps still be installed or will the phone/tablet versions be installed instead? Example: Plex.
4) Is Adoptable storage still supported? I'm guessing when flashing the StockRestyle ROM we'll have to wipe the adoptable sdcard and essentially factory reset.
5) Can AptoideTV work just fine on stock? I'm going to probably try it tomorrow
While I personally don't play any of the Nvidia games, I'm looking to have the Stock Stability + current emulator/rom support (rooting for Wiimote support) + specific apps that are not supported on AndroidTV without having to constantly manually update them through sideloading. Apps I'm interested in include Google Apps including Google Photos + Logitech Webcam supported (Skype + Hangouts + FB Messenger) and possibly Amazon Prime Video but ideally if it can support at least 1080p or 4K. I also use Kodi but am still learning to use it.
I'm very familiar with modding on my Nexus 6P (TWRP, root, Xposed, with monthly updates) so was wondering if there was anything different I should know other than the obvious loss of a screen when adding custom recovery and rooting along with Nandroid backups. Has any one successfully backed up their stock ROM and restored it later? Also anyone root stock, then backup everything on Titanium Backup (sideloaded) and restore apps + data on StockRestyle ROM?
My set up is 16GB Shield Stock 3.0 not rooted yet + Samsung 128GB Pro+ microsdxc + Stock Controller + Remote, it's connected to a Samsung 4K SUHD UN65JS8500. Also using bluetooth Logitech keyboard + mouse, xbox 360 receiver, x360 controllers. Still waiting for possible DVB-S2 integration and maybe live tv solutions like silicondust.
grievous2004 said:
Great thread, I'm just trying to decide which to install on my Shield when amazon delivers it.
I'm really thinking of using Full Android but have bought the nvidia remote control too (mainly for the audio jack). So..
Is the Shield remote working or not on Full Android (is it bluetooth or works like the controller?). Can anyone point it out, please? Thank you!
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-> the shield remote is ok on full android.
I use it to watch movies with headset plug in ...but only the microphone function don't work
copticwalad said:
2) Any loss of functionality with Casting? More specifically I usually cast from Youtube, Plex, Google Photos, and Mirror Casting from Nexus.
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I'm curious about this too. I like the idea of the shield basically replacing my chromecast, but with Full Android it looks like you can't cast TO it, but you can cast IT'S display like any other phone or tablet. Is it possible in full android to cast another device TO the shield with full android?
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