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Having extensive experience with both phone watches and BT-enabled watches, I want to make an important remark to firmware/software developers for these devices, more so after having recently acquired a SONY Smartwatch.
It is simple: NOTIFICATIONS NEED TO BE PUSHED ALL THE WAY. ALL GOODS NEED TO BE DELIVERED.
In the Sony Smartwatch, a vibration accompanied by a Gmail logo is useless. Having me awake the watch, click on ‘Events’, click again on the message and only then being able to see the email message defeats the purpose of immediateness. Probably easier for me to reach out to the phone and see what the notification is about.
The right way to go is simple: everything the phone has in terms of message info needs to be pushed to the watch notification:
“Email from John Doe
To [email protected]
Subject: Dinner on Tue
->And the entire body”
Same with SMS, IM notifications, or anything. Having only the SMS or Gmail or Whatsapp logos and have to hunt down for the message in the watch is absurd.
The way the MBW-150 worked offered way more info at a glance; Sony is moving backward with this minimalistic notification approach. More is needed.
Secondly: let me disable BT on the watch (say when batt is low or overnight) without forcing me to shut down the device -> no time telling anymore.
Third: watch brightness needs to be adjustable from the watch itself (let me manage battery life myself, I’m a grown up).
Fourth: an audio beep won’t kill anyone. When I’m driving, for instance, I cannot feel the phone vibration. A CASIO-style ‘beep-beep’ cannot hurt. While I understand this may involve additional hardware and pose operational complexities, this is a nice-to-have feature.
First two remarks are KEY, and I’d appreciate not only Sony but everybody involved in such development to think a bit smart before pouring a fortune into development.
Anyone has anything else worth highlighting?
Thanks
Sure dude. But first things first... I would scream that let these things display the clock at all times. Failure to do so defeats the whole watch disguise!
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Which app are you using to get Gmail notifications?
jairmoreno said:
Which app are you using to get Gmail notifications?
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I am messing with Customnotifier, GMail notifier (not 2), and RSS (which works best but drains the battery on the phone if set to frequent checks).
In any event, on the watch I only get an icon on the screen, no further info.
Rgds
Well they are moving in the right direction. With the updated firmware, that was released today, you are able to do a couple more things. You now have an option of leaving new watch faces on at all times. Also with notifications, you can now single tap the new notification icon and it will take you straight to the notification!
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Well they are moving in the right direction. With the updated firmware, that was released today, you are able to do a couple more things. You now have an option of leaving new watch faces on at all times. Also with notifications, you can now single tap the new notification icon and it will take you straight to the notification!
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Yes indeed. Touchscreen seems a tad more responsive now also, more polished.
Still, notifications need to appear spontaneously -no need to tap- and bightness should be adjustable -too much backlight for me; always staying indoors.
But it's a good step fwd and the app in the phone is more efficient.
Hi, I'm Considering buying this watch simply cos I'm a geek I guess, but, if it is possible for sony to update the firmware/create new apps, and others also to create new apps etc, isn't it almost inevitable that more detailed notifications will be developed eventually? Or am I wrong, is it up to just sony to develope new apps etc, meaning we'll have to wait for just them to decide, taking ages etc? (Unlinke the wimm one for example)..
It does look great, but I agree, notifications really MUST include details, and if this is a future possibility, then I'll get one. (Mainly due to the wimm one not being on sale over here yet! Arrghh!)
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Hi, I'm Considering buying this watch simply cos I'm a geek I guess, but, if it is possible for sony to update the firmware/create new apps, and others also to create new apps etc, isn't it almost inevitable that more detailed notifications will be developed eventually? Or am I wrong, is it up to just sony to develope new apps etc, meaning we'll have to wait for just them to decide, taking ages etc? (Unlinke the wimm one for example)..
It does look great, but I agree, notifications really MUST include details, and if this is a future possibility, then I'll get one. (Mainly due to the wimm one not being on sale over here yet! Arrghh!)
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The notifications seem detailed to me I mean you see the icon if you want to read the message tap the icon once. I like the screen always on update but I won't use it often since I rather have the battery last through the week.
I've checked back ever so often and there new apps popping up so I think development will only improve. Its honestly one of my favorite phone accessories I would recommend trying it out.
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Yes indeed. Touchscreen seems a tad more responsive now also, more polished.
Still, notifications need to appear spontaneously -no need to tap- and bightness should be adjustable -too much backlight for me; always staying indoors.
But it's a good step fwd and the app in the phone is more efficient.
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I agree I can't wait til they update to allow adjustment of of the backlight. The notifications I find using the MMS notifier over Sony's I get no delay in the notifications. The Gmail notifier app I use for Gmail sends me the notice without delay also.
Have you looked at the Metawatch at all? That ended up being my choice. Waiting for delivery.
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Have you looked at the Metawatch at all? That ended up being my choice. Waiting for delivery.
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Good choice RedRamage. I have the analog Metawatch and expect the new iOS digital version any day. Latest phone console release and functions here
OP - fullly agree with the "at a glance" concept. Metawatch provided this for me and I have the Sony, WIMM, original Liveview and MotoACTV also.
Only very recently I was able to stop using MetaWatch and switch to the Sony only for this. See my blog @ augmentedtraffic.wordpress.com/2012/06/09/finally-true-real-time-at-a-glance-notifications-on-sony-smart-watch (you need to cut & paste into a browser since I have < 10 posts).
I use Tasker/K-9 combined with my app to get "at a glance' on a SonyWatch!
I am still testing battery life, but it seems OK. I haven't put the app on the market as yet as it is very customized to my use cases and it may be a bit too much for others to use. The only thing I am currently missing from the MetaWatch is the next upcoming appointment. I have everything else I was using (notifications at a glance, phone battery life, location, weather). I even added my last Withings scale weigh-in
Ok, I've got both of the 1st Gen MetaWatch models (The bt2 Analog and Digital ones), and maintain a popular fork of the Android MW software (see link in my sig), so I'll try and answer your points in relation to that watch.
1) Yes, MW will display your notifications as soon as the phone does - gmail is a little tricky as google keeps changing/modifying/revoking permissions with the official gmail app, so the information available to the watch manager app can be a little sketchy. If you use k-9 mail, you'll see the sender and subject. It doesn't display body text yet, but that is doable. Gmail would also be fixable by just making the app go to the gmail server directly and pull the message text when the new mail notification comes in.
The fork I maintain has an "Other notifications" Option, that lets you selectively display any android notification, although the OS limits how much information we can actually pull. If anyone has requests for additional notification support, then I'm happy to try adding it, assuming the developer of the app has provided intents or an api to access that information.
Currently notifications will stay on screen for a few seconds, then disappear (except for the SMS notifications, which, on the digital watch can be set to stay on screen until dismissed, as you can see the full body, and scroll) - On the digital watch you can configure a button to redisplay the last notification again if you missed it, and there's an on watch menu of all the previous notifications which is only a few button presses away.
2) Yes, all the MW models have a menu option (on the watch) that let you disable BT without turning off the watch, so you can still tell the time
3) Yes, the Analog MW model has menu options to configure the OLED brightness. There's nothing to configure on the Digital model, as it has an always on LCD screen (though there's an option in my fork of the app to automatically turn on its light when a notification comes in)
4) The MWs don't have a speaker, but they do have a powerful vibrator inside - it's pretty hard to miss it when it does vibrate, and the app lets you configure different vibration patterns for different notifications, so you can know what sort of message it was without even looking.
Let me know if you've got any other questions!
MW has some very good stuff, I'm quite familiar with it.
Pity -both for MW and SW- is the poor pixel density. I believe MOTO has a much better display.
B/W displays appear sub-optimal to me and definitely not the direction the market wants to move toward.
Also, beyond the immediate 'at-a-glance' notification, can you read within the watch the full email or notification in MW? This is also a key element.
One more topic I missed on SW is that once connection is lost we need not only vibration but some on-screen display, like a warning sign or something. This feature prevented me from leaving behind a SGSII in a bar when I was using my ancient MBW-150. Vibration won't typically suffice.
I survive 2.5 full days with heavy notification traffic with my SW. How long you stay unplugged with MW under heavy traffic?
Thanks for the good discussion.
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Also, beyond the immediate 'at-a-glance' notification, can you read within the watch the full email or notification in MW? This is also a key element.
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As I said, the current software doesn't support that, but it's something I'm planning on adding.
SMS messages currently support this - you can page through a long message, then dismiss it when you're done, so I just need to add the code to pull out (and strip html from) the body text - I know for certain that it's easily possible using k-9 mail, gmail will probably need work to talk to google's mail server directly to get the message text.
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One more topic I missed on SW is that once connection is lost we need not only vibration but some on-screen display, like a warning sign or something. This feature prevented me from leaving behind a SGSII in a bar when I was using my ancient MBW-150. Vibration won't typically suffice.
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Yes, it'll display a "No watch connection" icon in the top right of the time display, which is pretty hard to miss!
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I survive 2.5 full days with heavy notification traffic with my SW. How long you stay unplugged with MW under heavy traffic?
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I tend to get 2 or 3 days, depending on what I'm doing - 3 days for medium traffic, 2 for heavy traffic (usually when I'm developing features, so pushing lots of data to the watch)
3 days = Taken off the charger on Monday morning, needs to go back on the charger Wednesday evening before I go to bed.
I could probably get much longer battery life if I manually turned bt off each night, and back in the morning, but I like having my watch vibrate in the morning when the alarm goes off! Perhaps adding a "bt sleep" mode to the firmware would be a good addition.
How long does your battery last on the Sony Smartwatch if you keep the small digital clock on at all times?
I've had my watch a little over a week and haven't been able to make it through the day yet even with minimal notifications. The battery life has been very disappointing.
@benjymous:
I forgot to note that I shut it down when I go to sleep. In the morning I turn it on with no pairing issues, so we'd be looking at 18h/day actual uptime, for a total of say 45h per charge. Not stellar by any means.
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It didn't even cross my mind to have the screen on full-time. It is obvious you won't make it tremendously far (I think the bat has a capacity below 130). No way. I push the button to get the time, I can live with this.
I also need to report that the glass is far from scratchproof. That's something that really pisses people off. Next HW release should DEFINITELY include at least Gorilla Glass and certainly a bigger battery. The thickness of the plastic clip and the strap can be each reduced by about half a millimeter that combined gives you 1mm that they should invest in a bigger capacity batt.
And obviously, a standard usb port.
Please keep ideas coming folks, thanks.
And this is how the notification queue should look like:
http://www.slashphone.com/media/data/767/inPulse_SmartWatch-2.jpg
I'm having exact same problem - Battery lasts barely 8-10 hrs. Do we need replacement watches?
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And this is how the notification queue should look like:
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Looks like chinese product
Has anyone with the Moto 360 used turn-by-turn navigation? Would you mind answering a few questions?
1, Does it work?
2. Does it killed the battery more rapidly than any other function?
3. Does it require so much from the processor that it freezes up?
4. Is it necessary for navigation to be running on my phone for to work?
5. Will it work in Europe?
I'm considering using the Moto 360 for navigation while touring some European cities, my thought was it would be nice to have this capability without constantly point out my note 3 to check it. Security wise it would be fantastic. I'm still waiting for Motorola and Best Buy to get this in stock so I can buy it and try it. Thanks for taking the time.
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Has anyone with the Moto 360 used turn-by-turn navigation? Would you mind answering a few questions?
1, Does it work?
2. Does it killed the battery more rapidly than any other function?
3. Does it require so much from the processor that it freezes up?
4. Is it necessary for navigation to be running on my phone for to work?
5. Will it work in Europe?
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1.) Sort of. I drive a truck and with my hand on the steering wheel, it is tough to feel the vibration of the watch on my wrist that signals an upcoming turn. Because of this I find myself continually checking my watch. Safer to just have maps on the phone speak the commands.
2.) Not really. It pops up pretty much just like any other notification.
3.) I don't think it requires any more from the processor than a notification. Your phone is doing all the work. The watch is just sending info back and forth from it.
4.) Yes. But the watch will start it if it is not already running.
5.) I dunno.
For me, it is pretty much pointless for driving. But if you're on a bike or on foot, it will certainly keep you from constantly checking your phone. But note that the vibrations are subtle and short. Any appreciable vibration imparted to your hand or wrist will make it hard to discern. I think Android Wear needs to have a setting for more persistent vibration for other modes than just timers and alarms. Missing your turn is just as inconvenient as being late for something (and in fact may cause you to be late).
Great Info
Thanks so much for taking the time but your information is invaluable! Definitely going to try the Moto 360 out and have high hopes because your help. I'll call Motorola tomorrow asked them about if the technology will work outside of the US. I imagine the new update coming for android there will be a whole bunch of new improvements. I'm a sucker for technology so here I go again. One more question would be after you miss a vibration is it still possible to look at the watch and see if you're on the right path?
I have not missed a turn as all of my testing was done on familiar routes. But to answer your question, if you miss a turn, the phone will just recalculate your route and send new info to the watch.
You can look at your watch at any time to see what the next upcoming turn is.
For #5 check this out.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mapfactor.navigator
to the europe question: sure... maps with navigation works too.
So I did a bunch of searching and either I am in the wrong place, or no one else seems to have this problem, but I am seeing the same notifications showing up on my Moto 360 over and over even after I dismiss them. For example, I will get the Google Now scores for sports events (some for teams I couldn't care less about) popping up over and over and over again even after I swipe them away. They are not even real notifications on my phone - so not sure why they are popping up in the first place. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.
You have to go into Google Now on your phone and configure the card settings there. Should be options to no longer see cards you're not interested in, or tweak their content. Otherwise it will periodically update phone & watch with cards - this is just how the service works.
Personally I leave it turned off completely as the benefits are meagre vs demands it makes on phone & watch power. There are more efficient ways of keeping yourself updated on the info you need when you need it, IMHO.
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You have to go into Google Now on your phone and configure the card settings there. Should be options to no longer see cards you're not interested in, or tweak their content. Otherwise it will periodically update phone & watch with cards - this is just how the service works.
Personally I leave it turned off completely as the benefits are meagre vs demands it makes on phone & watch power. There are more efficient ways of keeping yourself updated on the info you need when you need it, IMHO.
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Thanks for the reply. So even if I dismiss the notification on the watch, and there is NO notification in the notification tray on the phone, it is expected that I still constantly receive card notifications on the watch? That seems broken to me...
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Thanks for the reply. So even if I dismiss the notification on the watch, and there is NO notification in the notification tray on the phone, it is expected that I still constantly receive card notifications on the watch? That seems broken to me...
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next time i notification comes up...leave it alone and go to google now on your phone.. look for that card and there should be an option to no longer show this notification..
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next time i notification comes up...leave it alone and go to google now on your phone.. look for that card and there should be an option to no longer show this notification..
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Ok, I got that, but again, my problem is not that the initial notification shows up, it's that once I swipe it away it keeps coming back. I suppose that's an issue with Google Now though and not the watch.
You are not alone.
I'm having the same issue.
Moto 360 4.4W.2 - Wear Mini Launcher
Moto X (2013) 4.4.4 - Google Now Launcher.
I'm almost certain that those launchers are doing it. Days ago I had a friends's birthday notification poping over and over again, it would back to my watch face in like 5s after I had it dismissed, when i remove wear mini launcher all that stoped.
Today I installed it again, just for sake of testing, since is a very helpful software. The problem started again, but now with a amazon delivery notification, so im uninstalling it.
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I'm having the same issue.
Moto 360 4.4W.2 - Wear Mini Launcher
Moto X (2013) 4.4.4 - Google Now Launcher.
I'm almost certain that those launchers are doing it. Days ago I had a friends's birthday notification poping over and over again, it would back to my watch face in like 5s after I had it dismissed, when i remove wear mini launcher all that stoped.
Today I installed it again, just for sake of testing, since is a very helpful software. The problem started again, but now with a amazon delivery notification, so im uninstalling it.
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Sorry to rehash an old topic, but I'm having the same issue..
The card in question is to do with sport, and I do want to see the card so turning off isn't an option, but when I swipe it away I don't want it to come back!
Anyone found a solution?
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Sorry to rehash an old topic, but I'm having the same issue..
The card in question is to do with sport, and I do want to see the card so turning off isn't an option, but when I swipe it away I don't want it to come back!
Anyone found a solution?
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Nope, it's the way Google Now does sport cards -- if a game is in progress, it sends you constant updates. Even if you swipe the update away, the next time anything changes, it'll just reappear, until the game / match is over (once you swipe away the card for a completed game it stays away, for me). I wish Now was more customizable.
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Nope, it's the way Google Now does sport cards -- if a game is in progress, it sends you constant updates. Even if you swipe the update away, the next time anything changes, it'll just reappear, until the game / match is over (once you swipe away the card for a completed game it stays away, for me). I wish Now was more customizable.
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I don't mind if the game is still on, that makes complete sense, this is after the game...
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I don't mind if the game is still on, that makes complete sense, this is after the game...
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Actually having exactly the same problem and it is specifically with sports cards. LG G3 (Verizon) 5.1 and G Watch R. I'll swipe a sports card away (last game score, next game time, etc.) and it will be back within a few minutes. Very irritating.
People Smarter than Me (anyone in this thread),
I'm looking for some help...I have a Moto360 paid with a WORK S5 that is SEVERELY crippled. Can't install anything not on the company white-list (and there ain't much on there). So, out of the gate, no Moto Connect. (BTW, if someone knows a way around THAT, there's $3 in it for you...)
Anyways, I have a GearFit, and I guess because it's Sammy, it's baked in. So, on the Fit, I get ALL notifications (SMS, email, At Bat, KNOX, etc). Even when there is a sent item from, Knox, I get the notification (a buzz on the wrist and an on screen notification). I like that.
Enter the Moto. I get a buzz on calls and SMS, but I get nothing from Knox (which is severely delayed), nothing from At Bat, etc. The cards are there, but nothing to alert me I have new notifications without looking. Most times I keep the phone on vibrate, but some apps vibrate (SMS) some don't (At Bat, Knox). I can't find a setting anywhere to make all notifications alert. I can see where to BLOCK them, but that's it. Am I missing it? The point of me getting a wrist wearable was to not miss stuff on the device, even when I don't have it physically on me. The Fit handles it, but I would like to get the Moto there.
Any ideas??
Do you (can you?) have Android Wear installed?
Sorry, yes. I think "they" (the corporate overlords) cranked down even harder, since at one time you could install some core Google and Samsung apps. For example, I got a Gear 2, and I could install the base program, but during setup, it needed some additional files, and they were blocked. Never got it to pair.
I have AW installed, but that's it. I can't install watch faces, or any additional programs on the phone. I saw a guide to installing apps to the watch from a PC, but haven't explored that yet. The watch is paired and working through AW, or the "base" version of it (it does update itself when there's one).
Thanks
Teach a man to fish...
So, it looks like if I set the profile of each application with a sound, THEN set the entire phone's profile to vibrate, I will get a quick burst vibrate. So, there's that. So far, anyway.
Is my best best for installing apps and watchfaces the whole bluetooth tether to a phone connected to a computer with the adb shell?
I got my wife the Samsung Galaxy active watch and it paired just fine with her Pixel 3 XL. The watch is missing a messaging app. She is able to get messaging notifications and reply to messages, but can't access previous messages because the little blue messaging app is nowhere on her watch. I tried to got to app store on the watch but couldn't find anything to download. All reviews on YouTube show that app right from the start. Am I missing something? Is this an option only for Galaxy phones? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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I got my wife the Samsung Galaxy active watch and it paired just fine with her Pixel 3 XL. The watch is missing a messaging app. She is able to get messaging notifications and reply to messages, but can't access previous messages because the little blue messaging app is nowhere on her watch. I tried to got to app store on the watch but couldn't find anything to download. All reviews on YouTube show that app right from the start. Am I missing something? Is this an option only for Galaxy phones? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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You won't be able to see the messages unless you you a Samsung phone (which has the messages app), but when you get a text message, it will show on the watch, you can reply back to it and see previous messages. Make sure you have "messages" notifications enabled from the wear app. I am using the galaxy watch with the pixel 3 xl.
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You won't be able to see the messages unless you you a Samsung phone (which has the messages app), but when you get a text message, it will show on the watch, you can reply back to it and see previous messages. Make sure you have "messages" notifications enabled from the wear app. I am using the galaxy watch with the pixel 3 xl.
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Hey dude, I don't have one but am considering switching to it from my Fossil Sport because the Sport battery sucks. I have a couple questions for you since you're the only person who said they have one that I found! If you don't mind:
1. What's your battery life like?
2. I use the Nike Run app... if you open it on your phone will you geet any view of it on the Samsung watch?? That is why I originally got the Fossil
3. Do you think the Active is just as good with your Pixel as it would be with a Samsung? I have an S10+ now but I change phones like most people change underwear lol.
4. Anything else you can tell me to help me make my final decision..
PLEASE!!!! lol. thanks man.
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Hey dude, I don't have one but am considering switching to it from my Fossil Sport because the Sport battery sucks. I have a couple questions for you since you're the only person who said they have one that I found! If you don't mind:
1. What's your battery life like?
2. I use the Nike Run app... if you open it on your phone will you geet any view of it on the Samsung watch?? That is why I originally got the Fossil
3. Do you think the Active is just as good with your Pixel as it would be with a Samsung? I have an S10+ now but I change phones like most people change underwear lol.
4. Anything else you can tell me to help me make my final decision..
PLEASE!!!! lol. thanks man.
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Hey there,
1.Battery life in my case is like around 15% usage a day which is great given, the idea of the tizen is very different than wear os. sarcastically, I got the fossil sport as well, and I have been using that over the galaxy watch. The galaxy sport would probably have a great battery as well, maybe a little less than the galaxy watch.
2. I have not seen the nike app on the galaxy watch, however, I have used s-health. I was able to get decent tracking but without a map gps, you'd be limited to mapmyrun a few other ones, I honestly only used shealth since I found third party apps to drain the battery much much much quicker.
3. Yes, going with the active would be a solid choice, again, then only thing you won't get is the ability to recall text messages at any time, but you'd be able to view them and reply back to them as notifications or as they come in + you can compose a new one. Keep in mind that it doesn't have the real bixby, it is s-voice, which is extreme trash.
I also change phones like underwear "JOD"... It even works on the iphone but that's different "you won't be able to reply to notifications or messages, just view them"
3.a -- there is an app called pulse sms I believe or something like that that would allow you to sync text messages on the watch, view them, do anything you'd want with them, just will drain your phone's battery and watch like crazy.
4. Anything to help you. Well, if you will hold onto your android wear, it is nice to have both. I went back to android wear "with the faults of it and the bad battery life over the galaxy wear stuff", for me:
Pros of the galaxy wear:
-Great battery life.
-Consistent performance "once in a while it would lag but not that much"
Cons:
-Using it as a smart device is just not great.
-It is s-voice branded bixby which is just bad, like really frustrating to use, to the point that you'd find yourself typing on the t9 keyboard they provide rather than talking to that piece of S.
-App support sucks. Forexample, I am grocery shopping and I made a list in google keep, and I don't want to have my phone out, you can't pull google keep on the watch like android wear. Also, other apps like spotify is more frustrating to use than good.
-No google assistant. I use smart home stuff, and unless you have the samsung hub, you cannot control your stuff, wink, wemo ifftt, etc. That ecosystem is still very very very poor compared to android wear.
Overall: If you are looking for a watch with great battery life, and the ability to see and minimally reply back to text messages while using stock-ish apps like s-health and you're okay with a very limited app and community support, go for it.
If you're looking to have more apps, watch-faces, voice assistant, more fitness apps, you're in the google eco-system, stay with wear OS because it can be a very unpleasant experience after the honey-moon period.
Hope this helps, let me know if you have anymore questions.
Thanks that exactly what I needed. Today my Fossil battery life was way better so maybe it just had to bake in after the recent update. I went with Android WearOS originally because of the app support and potential. I'm hoping the battery continues to get better. I was struggling to make a day without a bit of a charge, however I'm on my final walk with the dog today and it's still around 30% after a 7am wake up. I couldn't justify both watches but I'm jealous you have em lol
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Thanks that exactly what I needed. Today my Fossil battery life was way better so maybe it just had to bake in after the recent update. I went with Android WearOS originally because of the app support and potential. I'm hoping the battery continues to get better. I was struggling to make a day without a bit of a charge, however I'm on my final walk with the dog today and it's still around 30% after a 7am wake up. I couldn't justify both watches but I'm jealous you have em lol
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I hear you, one was a gift and I wanted the fossil and it was on discount so picked it up.