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Impressions after 1 day of use

So I was interested in this phone from the moment that it was announced. I've been waiting for a phone of reasonable size, but that also has high-end specs, for quite some time now, and the Razr M finally fit the bill. In the past year or so I've owned the following: 1) HTC One X (returned due to all sorts of bugs, including delays in receiving push email, not to mention that it was huge); 2) Galaxy Nexus (this was actually an AWESOME phone... just way too big for my taste. My wife owns it now.); 3) HTC One S (decent size, although still much larger than the M. Riddled with bugs though... funky wifi, delayed push notifications, etc.).I was not on Verizon prior to yesterday, but I did have various other incentives to switch from AT&T, so I waited a week to see what people's initial impressions of Razr M were before I finally pulled the trigger yesterday. Here are my first impressions after ~24 hours of use.
Build quality and form factor are awesome. This thing is just a perfect size. Roughly the same size, or even smaller, than last year's phones with 4" screens. I've been waiting over a year for a high-end phone that's not huge, and this thing does not disappointment. The little flap that has to be pulled up to put in the SIM and SD cards feels a little old school, but it seems solid enough. Overall, if you've been waiting for a smaller phone, I think you won't be disappointed.
The M is fast and smooth. I've owned a number of high end phones in the last few months and the M is as fast as and as smooth as any of them. Benchmarks prove it (read reviews; I'm not going to post any numbers here.). If you are obsessed with specs and benchmarks, the M will not disappoint. If all you care about is a smooth user experience, the M will certainly not disappoint.
Blur / Motorola android overlay. I don't really like it. It's MUCH better than old versions of blur, and some of you will probably think my complaints are nitpicky, but I just prefer the stock experience (so I use Nova Launcher). First of all, I don't like that the "4g" symbol stays in the notification bar even when connected to wifi. It's the only Android phone I've ever used that leaves the cellular network symbol ("4g" or "3g" or "H+" or whatever your network happens to have) in the notification bar when connected to wifi. It's just a waste of space, and it makes you wonder if the mobile network is somehow sucking down battery life even when it shouldn't be.
Second, I don't like the fact that the dock icons have labels beneath them. WTF? Again, I don't think I've ever seen a launcher that puts labels in the dock. I get rid of all icon labels anyways using Nova, but labels in the dock is just too much for me.
Third, I don't like the persistent google search bar. Even if removed, you just have a row of dead space at the top of the screen. All of these things led me to ditch the stock launcher and go with Nova. I think Motorola's attempt at a quick settings area (scroll all the way to the left) was a pretty good effort, but I think it should have just stuck with the tried and true quick settings in the notification pulldown. This way, you wouldn't lose it when you change launchers. Overall, this version of blur is probably the best yet, but it still doesn't compare to AOSP, nor does it compare to Nova Launcher, in my opinion.
Bloatware on this phone is bad. All sorts of garbage. Thankfully, 95% of it can be disabled. Even so, what a waste of space. I really hope the carriers are making a ton of money off of bloatware, otherwise they are just idiots for continuing to include it despite a very clear message from users that we don't want bloatware.
The screen on the phone is good. I won't go into pentile, but it doesn't bother me. The one comment I have is that compared to my HTC One S (which also has a 4.3" amoled pentile display) the whites on the M are more of a dull yellow. You only notice it if you hold the M up next to a phone that has superior whites, but if you do, you will see that whites on the M are pretty bad. No big deal to me though, but I just thought I'd mention it.
Signal strength has been a concern for me with this phone. There were some reports of weak 4g LTE signal compared to other Motorola phones on Verizon. Honestly, I haven't really been able to nail this down. I can say that both the 1x and 3g EV-DO signals on this phone seem to be just as good as they are on blackberries, iPhone, and other Motorola phones, so I don't think there's a 1x or 3g signal problem. Unfortunately I haven't been able to directly compare it to other LTE phones on Verizon. If I can, I'll report back. Suffice it to say that in the metro-DC area, I hold a steady and decently strong 4g LTE signal, so if it weren't for the reports, I would have no reason to believe there are any signal issues.
Battery life is awesome. When I picked the phone up yesterday and turned it on, it had 42% battery life. By the time it died this morning, it had been on charge for about 16 hours, and it had 3 hours 20 minutes of screen on time. That extrapolates to about 35 hours off charger and 7 hours screen on, if starting from a full battery. Given, this was mostly on wifi, but that's still pretty good. And the battery hasn't even been conditioned yet, so I suspect it might get even better. Also, this was with no battery saving mechanisms in place. I'm not using smart actions or juice defender or anything else. I've got a gmail account, gtalk, and a couple other things syncing in the background. Overall, compares favorably with every phone I've ever used so far. Hopefully the first day was representative!
The notification LED. This thing is effing awesome. I LOVE notification LEDs, and for some reason most phones have really crappy ones, if they have them at all. The Galaxy Nexus (and now the S3) have great ones. But HTC devices have horrible LEDs the size of pin heads, that are recessed into speaker grills so you can barely even see them. The M's notification LED is bright, large, and easy to see from a distance and from an angle. LOVE it. It also works with Light Flow out of the box. So far I'm using Green, Magenta, Orange, Yellow, and Red, and they all work. Haven't tested blue, pink, or purple, but no reason to think they wouldn't work, too.
Call quality. Who makes phone calls anymore these days, anyways? =P (haven't tested call quality yet. sorry).
Camera. Haven't really taken many shots, but initial impression is--as most of the reviews said--mediocre. Not terrible by any means, and sufficient for my needs (taking the occasional photo of my dog). But clearly does not hold a candle to the amazing camera on the One S or One X.
Wifi / GPS / Bluetooth. Haven't tested GPS or bluetooth yet, but the wifi antenna appears to be awesome. I get a much better signal (and speeds) on the M than I get on the One S or on my wife's Gnex. Thumbs up on wifi.
Anyways, sorry for the long post. I have too much time on my hands. But my initial impression of the phone is extremely positive. If anybody is on the fence, I'd say go for it. Fingers crossed that a few devs pick this thing up and that we at least get root. But because I love the size of this phone so much, and since I haven't really located any annoying bugs thus far, I think it's a phone I'd be content to own for a year or two even without root.
9/24 5:30pm EDT update:
Call quality is fine. Honestly, I'm not a call quality audiophile. Everything is loud and clear, just like it has been on pretty much every cell phone I've owned in the past few years. Nothing unusual to report.
GPS is really solid. It locks MUCH more quickly than either the Galaxy Nexus or the HTC One S. GPS Status also shows that it both sees and uses a few more satellites than the One S does. For instance, I was sitting near a window in my living room, and the M was using 10/19 satellites, while the One S was using 7/17. GPS gets a thumbs up.
And this is probably something I'll create a separate thread on, but I'm getting some wakelocks on the M that I do not get on the One S. I have the M and the One S setup identically. When the One S's screen is off, the phone is in deep sleep. The battery settings show that the phone is almost never awake unless the screen is on. The M, by contrast, is frequently awake for very short periods of time even when the screen is off. It does not seem to be causing much battery drain, as I'm still losing well less than 1% per hour on wifi (when the screen is off), but it is nevertheless worth noting because presumably it should not be happening. I'm in the process of trying to figure out what is causing the wakelocks, but haven't figured it out yet. I somehow suspect it has something to do with "phone idle" taking up a much higher percentage of battery consumption than I've seen on other phones. In any event, I'll start a separate thread on this when I gather a bit more info, but just something to be aware of.

Very thorough description phositadc, thanks!

"Second, I don't like the fact that the dock icons have labels beneath them."
Just a note that you can remove the labels in the dock.
Thanks for the review.

Pretty much mirrors my experience with this device. Except, I use Apex launcher rather than Nova. Also, coming from a Droid X2, this phone has a tendency to slip out of my hand sometimes (gives me a heart attack).

Not_A_Dev said:
Pretty much mirrors my experience with this device. Except, I use Apex launcher rather than Nova. Also, coming from a Droid X2, this phone has a tendency to slip out of my hand sometimes (gives me a heart attack).
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Yeah none of the reviews mention it but I agree it's worth noting that the phone is pretty slippery (due to its size, materials, or both). I was planning to go without a case but if cruzerlite or diztronic makes one I'll probably get one.
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jmctitan said:
"Second, I don't like the fact that the dock icons have labels beneath them."
Just a note that you can remove the labels in the dock.
Thanks for the review.
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Really? Without a custom launcher? I must've missed that setting; could you please tell me where it is?
-Sent from my Razr M.-

I'd have to agree with your mini-review phositadc. I just popped the sim in and started setting this phone up. I have a rooted VZW GS3 and this DE razr is much more suited to me. The samsung is going up on craigs!

phositadc said:
Really? Without a custom launcher? I must've missed that setting; could you please tell me where it is?
-Sent from my Razr M.-
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You can also use custom icons with the stock launcher.

Ugh, sorry. I was mistaken. My apologies for getting your hopes up.
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Really? Without a custom launcher? I must've missed that setting; could you please tell me where it is?
-Sent from my Razr M.-
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jmctitan said:
Ugh, sorry. I was mistaken. My apologies for getting your hopes up.
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Just replace the stock UI icons with custom icons and it solves your issue.
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How do you replace the stock icons? Thanks in advance.
lsxmma said:
Just replace the stock UI icons with custom icons and it solves your issue.
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I downloaded desktop vizualizer to make an icon. Than removed the stock icon I wanted to replace it with. Then you just drag the new icon in its place.
Hope this helps.

Thanks.
lsxmma said:
I downloaded desktop vizualizer to make an icon. Than removed the stock icon I wanted to replace it with. Then you just drag the new icon in its place.
Hope this helps.
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muffled audio.
I got a Razor M for my wife & she's been complaining about voice quality, says it sounds very muffled. So it's going back to Amazon for replacement, we'll see if the 2nd one will be any better.

Update
I'll post this at the end of my OP, but just to add a little more:
Call quality is fine. Honestly, I'm not a call quality audiophile. Everything is loud and clear, just like it has been on pretty much every cell phone I've owned in the past few years. Nothing unusual to report.
GPS is really solid. It locks MUCH more quickly than either the Galaxy Nexus or the HTC One S. GPS Status also shows that it both sees and uses a few more satellites than the One S does. For instance, I was sitting near a window in my living room, and the M was using 10/19 satellites, while the One S was using 7/17. GPS gets a thumbs up.
And this is probably something I'll create a separate thread on, but I'm getting some wakelocks on the M that I do not get on the One S. I have the M and the One S setup identically. When the One S's screen is off, the phone is in deep sleep. The battery settings show that the phone is almost never awake unless the screen is on. The M, by contrast, is frequently awake for very short periods of time even when the screen is off. It does not seem to be causing much battery drain, as I'm still losing well less than 1% per hour on wifi (when the screen is off), but it is nevertheless worth noting because presumably it should not be happening. I'm in the process of trying to figure out what is causing the wakelocks, but haven't figured it out yet. I somehow suspect it has something to do with "phone idle" taking up a much higher percentage of battery consumption than I've seen on other phones. In any event, I'll start a separate thread on this when I gather a bit more info, but just something to be aware of.

Nice review!!! Love the edge to edge display. It doesn't hit the shelves in my country yet. Hope we got it with intel Atom cpu coz I heard Razr M with Atom cpu in UK.
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I use the phone a lot, about 3000 peak minutes a month. I find the phone sounds better than just about any cell phone I've used. The best part is the phone is nice and loud. My use is in NYC where the streets are noisy, and, I work on construction sites. This phone is far better with notifications, earpiece and rear speaker than any other phone I've used.
Battery life for me is a mixed bag. I can get down to 1.5%/hour so sitting on my desk I easily get a day, probably two in standby. So far, in use, it hasn't been that good. After about eight hours, the battery is down to 15%. The battery charges pretty fast though so it takes the sting out of being off charger with heavy use during the day.
Screen for me is as good as anything else I've used. I rather have the D3 screen which could be better viewed in daylight. I don't use my phone for movies, games or serious photos so the screen doesn't need to be retina.

Thanks for the info guys. The wife is CRAZY about the circle widgets and for that reason alone she's probably going get this phone but the mediocre camera could be the reason she goes with an S3. You never know what she's going to like or why. Example, her favorite rifle of mine is my FAL. Why? Because it has a carrying handle and "it's just handy." She bought her Toyota Matrix because it had a wiper on the back window and really liked that feature. lol

Thanks for a great review. I played with the phone at a Verizon store and it did not strike me as particularly snappy. However, that was probably due to the blur launcher and an abused display specimen.
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cowisland said:
Thanks for a great review. I played with the phone at a Verizon store and it did not strike me as particularly snappy. However, that was probably due to the blur launcher and an abused display specimen.
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Yeah I think that is true... the one I used at the store was mediocre as are many store devices... but the one I bought is as fast and smooth as any android device I've used.
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Poll! How do you feel now?

After a couple days, what are your feels?

austontatious said:
After a couple days, what are your feels?
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I like it, my issues are not with the hardware, although I won't lie and say I don't wish for more battery life. My issues are with how beta android wear feels. Hopefully google will give it some TLC, but google seems like a company that puts a lot of effort into something, releases it then forgets it.
Anyhoo, especially after seeing the atrocity that is the apple watch I'm going to keep my 360 and of course eventually grab a Note 4. It's kind of a gimmick right now, but at least it's a nice looking gimmick and I'll give google the benefit of the doubt.

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After a couple days, what are your feels?
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I have no problems with the speed of it - haven't noticed any stuttering or anything that people have mentioned. However, the battery is complete crap. I tried to use it today when I played 18 holes of golf w/ the Swing by Swing app (which actually works _very_ well w/ the watch, showing distance and letting you input your scores on the watch). The watch went from 95% to 0% on hole 12, about 3 hours in (slow play!). I only turned the watch on a few times a hole and didn't get any messages or anything in the meanwhile. The watch has also gone from 100% to 5% when used as a sleep tracker for 5 1/2 hours.

It's OK. I realized from day one that this is SQUARELY first/early adopter territory. As far as the battery goes, luckily, recharging takes only a little time. I found the secret is the mid day recharge. I turned off ambient mode and my phone was at 75% after almost 5 hours. Over lunch I tossed it on an old Nokia charger I had for 20 minutes and had over 90%. Right now it's 8:30p and I have 60%.
Midday charge while you're at the desk for 20 minutes erases all worries. Should you have to do it... No. But if you do it eliminates a pretty annoying issue.
The leather band annoys me, because I hate leather bands. The Pebble bands don't do it for me, just my opinion sorry, just being honest. Was it so fu^king hard to allow enough room for any band? The "notch" is just a slap in the face.

Dusty Rhodes said:
It's OK. I realized from day one that this is SQUARELY first/early adopter territory. As far as the battery goes, luckily, recharging takes only a little time. I found the secret is the mid day recharge. I turned off ambient mode and my phone was at 75% after almost 5 hours. Over lunch I tossed it on an old Nokia charger I had for 20 minutes and had over 90%. Right now it's 8:30p and I have 60%.
Midday charge while you're at the desk for 20 minutes erases all worries. Should you have to do it... No. But if you do it eliminates a pretty annoying issue.
The leather band annoys me, because I hate leather bands. The Pebble bands don't do it for me, just my opinion sorry, just being honest. Was it so fu^king hard to allow enough room for any band? The "notch" is just a slap in the face.
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Yep, we all have to realize we are kind of alpha testing here. The Moto 360 version 2 will probably be decent, and version 3 will be awesome.

And maybe by the next version Motorola find a way to keep the small bezel and have a fully round screen.

I agree, it's OK. I sold my Gear 2 to get this because I didn't like the square/plastic combo, and thought I didn't like the OS, but frankly the way the interface worked was much better than Android Wear. It had a great looking display and got 3-4 days of battery life!
But it's a watch, so looks mean a lot... I may have to return this bad boy and wait for the LG R, or the Moto 362, lol...
-My only hope is that since this is Android there will be some decent development happening, but after reading some posts I'm not so sure...

I'm in the UK so still waiting for it to be released here. Blessing in disguise for me as I'm not one to be an early adopter so by the time it is released, I'll have the wealth of knowledge from US user comments/reviews before I pull the trigger on it.

I think the device is doing quite well for a first release. The battery on ambient mode lasts all the way until I get home from work and will last a workout as well counting all my steps and monitoring my heart rate several times. I also think overall the watch looks pretty executive. Has a professional look and feel to it. Can't help but think all the square smart watches are too "kid-like".
As previously mentioned, once android wear adds features and apps start catching up I think there is really great potential for the device.

I love it. Does what I need it to do, which is notify me and let me respond to texts and certain apps. I can use it for navigation and some Google questions. I take it off the charger around 6am and by the time i charge it at night (around 10pm) it still has 30-40%. I am a light user... meaning, I dont need (and turned off) Google Now (watch telling me info w/out asking). I don't care for step count or heart rate cuz I run at night anyway. I dont care to add games or browsing apps on it. That is what my phone is for. What I use it for may not be worth $250, but its the best looking (IMO) and there are not much AW options out right now.
Just glad I don't have to constantly check my phone for any important notifications from work or family.
The only thing i wish it had was a speaker phone.

I'm on my 4th day and really like it but I'll be honest I wished Samsung had a round watch and running Android Wear all because I plan to get the Note 4.
Besides that my battery seemed to improve with every charge. Only thing I wish was to be able to turn off vibration and still see notifications when it comes. So far if I scroll top to bottom it will turn off vibration and notifications. Unless I'm doing it wrong.
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After the 1st day of having it I thought I would sell it because I didn't think the watch did much and I thought I'd be judged by friends and coworkers for buying a smart watch (half kidding) but android wear has grown on me and everyone who's seen it loves it.

My impressions after a few days

No photos, apologies- my post count is not high enough.
Out of Box:
Usually I wouldn't mention this as anyone can watch an unboxing video online. But using the watch out of the box was quite a bad experience that others seem to be having as well.
Out of the Box the watch has a bit of a charge but will die almost immediately. The problem with this is that charging the watch is a difficult experience. Using the included charger, I was not able to charge the watch faster then it was discharging. To be honest I'm not sure what happened that caused the watch to eventually work but after a half hour of fumbling, the watch updated to something that was not the latest build (I only know because the charging screen was updated) and started charging.
One of the worst setups I've ever had to deal with. Luckily I only have to deal with it once.
On the wrist:
I'm not a watch wearer. I can't stand wearing any kind of jewelry. The watch itself feels very nice (for a watch) and very light to wear. It's not making my wrist sweaty and the feel is good. As a tiny wristed man, I feel the 360 has a good sized face.
No complaints.
Battery Life:
My watch started with the older KKW22 build. I was getting around 5% battery use per hour with moderate use. After updating to KGW42N I get 2-3% battery use per hour. I get ~50 emails a day with a handful of texts and calls. Always on mode is off.
Much bettery battery life then I was expecting. Outlasts my Nexus 5 easily.
TI OMAP SoC:
The Moto360 uses the Droid X's CPU. While disappointing that the watch has such old tech in it, I definitely don't feel any sluggishness. That's not to say the animations aren't occasionally choppy- they are. But with no other Android Wear watch to compare it to I can't say if this is the CPU's fault. What I can say is not the CPU's fault is the speed in which programs open, this seems to be tied to the bluetooth connection quality.
I would prefer new tech but the watch does not feel slow.
Voice Commands (OK Google):
It's passible. Not really any different then my phone and probably because it's using my phone to process the commands. It hasn't been an annoyance going off accidentally.
No complaints.
The display:
I don't like the bezel that cuts the bottom of the circle, but that's not what this section is about. The 205ppi screen is not amazing. I can see the pixels but it's not a showstopper or a distraction. The job is done, text is readable and nothing more. I live in Sunny California, and viewing the screen in daylight is possible but you still want to put your hand over the watch. The light sensor works well enough to change lighting conditions but will occasionally be a bit slow- comparable to any android phone out there.
Not bad, not good. Wish the direct sunlight viewing was better.
Android Wear:
I wish I could turn Google Now voice command off. I wish I could do a lot of things actually. Android Wear is clearly still in early development and it shows. The backgrounds for cards do not have an appropriate resolution and look terrible on a 205ppi screen. Text will overlap other text in some areas, spacing is off, this is a UI nightmare in places. The ethereal feel of all the components as a whole is rough. This is not a refined product. It's functional and that's it.
It's rough and I would not recommend it to the masses.
Moto Specific Software:
I wish I could turn off the pedometer. I wish I could stop the watch from taking my pulse every 5 minutes. The heart monitor also says that I reach my heart activity goal after a few hours of sitting. That said I do like the Moto heart rate app over the stock fit app.
The gesture to turn on the screen works very well. The update to KGW42N seems to have made it a bit more sensitive. There are many times where the watch will turn on when I wasn't trying to get in on but very very few times will it not turn on when I want it to.
It's nice but the mandatory health monitoring is a negative and not very accutrate.
Overall impressions:
It's a very nice watch. Android Wear as a whole has some issues but the Moto360 showcases it very well. I do wish it used an OLED screen so I could always have it on.
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Very nice impressions,thanks for that. You can send me your pictures via pm,and I'll put it here

I agree with your "Out of Box" impression. I'm pretty sure that it's attempting to download and install the update, which is taking more power than the charger is giving it. Since this wasn't likely a scenario that existed during testing, I'm sure it slipped through, but this is definitely something that they need to fix. Maybe they should check for battery level BEFORE they check for updates.
I'm not sure I agree with your "OK Google" section. Well, I don't disagree, but in my experience it's so hit-and-miss that it ever even recognizes the phrase that I've gotten much more used to just tapping the screen. IF it hears the "OK Google," it seems to work fine, but it seems much happier ignoring me. (...and yes, I know it's not supposed to work when dimmed... I'm only talking about when it's not.)
Once I turned off the "Fit" card, I never saw any health-monitoring functions again, unless I wanted to. Have you turned that off? (Just left-swipe the "Steps" card, until you get to settings.)
I also hoped for an OLED screen, hoping for something that worked much more like the Moto-X's active display. This one seems less reactive, and honestly, while it looks nice, especially in bright-ish light, the LCD isn't helping their battery situation, which they really should have seen coming. Motorola has been making some solid phone hardware lately, even though I still wouldn't trade my Nexus 5 in for anything they make. (Wireless charging, Moto... you know... that thing that STILL sets your watch apart? How about we look at putting that in your phones, hmm?)
I don't know. I love my Moto 360. I just kind of expected more.

Thanks,
The rounds of reviews I have seen have tempered my "must-have-now" to I really want the next generation of android wear watches when we get 20 nm chips and the companies learn a few lessons on this generation.

Same boat here. It's passable. The nicest smart WATCH around but may not be the nicest SMART watch around if you get my gist. Out of box same. Horrible experience. I am a really really techie guy and it took multiple tries and multiple charging attempts to get it to sync for the first time and it forced me to charge to 100% before it would update. Ah well. With zero instructions moto must have assumed only nerds would be buying this thing.
I kind of want to return it but at the same time I really like the idea of it. The notifications are cool and I love replying to texts without having to touch my phone.

Moto 360 after several months of use, my findings

So I've had my Moto 360 for about 4 months or so now and wanted to just say a bit about my experiences with it.
The battery life for me at first was a bit of a problem and it was touch and go if I could go a full day. I don't know if this is because I was fiddling with it so much or if later versions of android wear optimised the battery better, but now I could probably go a couple of days without charging.
I find the standard launcher on android wear quite cumbersome and pants. I've since installed Android Mini Wear which is infinitely better. Unfortunately this doesn't replace the stock launcher but works side by side to it, so you can sometimes end up swiping one way and launching Mini Wear and then swiping the other way and getting the stock launcher, then you have to close both to get back to the main watch screen, bit of a pain. But the devs for Mini Wear say they are working on a way you'll be able to press a small button that shows up on the watch face to launch the full Mini Wear app draw (they currently have this feature but it launches a cut down version of Mini Wear).
A few things I'd love to be able to do with android wear is be able to adjust the timeout screen duration, sometimes it flicks off before I can do what I need to. Also being able to adjust vibrate duration wouldnt go a miss either.
Lastly I've started getting a pain in my wrist, I'm hoping this is unrelated to my watch but I'd be interested to know if any other users get it? Maybe the heart rate monitor constantly reading my pulse could be causing this? Shame you can't stop this from happening as well.

To adjust screen timeout duration try this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.phonephreak.extendedlight
And I use my watch now for 2 Month and don't have any pain in the wrist

I see some people wear a watch very tight, I myself a personal preference always wear it abit loose like jewelry or a bracelet, I've worn Swatch's for years so maybe I'm just use to it. Never pain.
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I've been wearing it since the week it came out. No pains in my wrist from it. I wore it tight with the leather band, and just tight enough that I can't fit my pinky with the metal band. My back is cracked and the plastic pieces that adapt the metal band in are broken and missing pieces, but the screen is pristine after a year, the battery still lasts a whole day, and it's never felt sluggish to me. I don't use a launcher - I don't see the need for one. I pretty much don't use apps - unless it's a card, the face switcher or stopwatch/timer I don't use it.
I love my 360. The 360 V2 is a slight incremental upgrade really offering nothing over the 360 except a much better placement of the crown and the band lugs. I won't be giving up my original 360 for a while.
Though I know my next watch WILL be a Moto watch, because nobody else does wireless charging and I refuse to give it up.

Zammo76 said:
I find the standard launcher on android wear quite cumbersome and pants.
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Best review quote of the day. Bravo! hah.
When I first got my 360 the battery life sucked. For an unrelated issue I had to reset the watch, and decided to click "No" to the Google Fit permissions during setup. This has drastically improved my battery life. I'll easily get to the end of the day with more than 50% battery, and that's taking the watch off the charging cradle at 6:40am. So, pretty good! And, the funny thing is, it's the Moto Fit app that's checking your heart rate in the background, not the Google Fit app. So, even with Moto Fit firing up the heart rate sensor all day the battery life is still awesome. Seems like some poor optimisation of the Google Fit app to me. And, on that note, I haven't noticed any pain in my wrist at all and I've been wearing it every day for about two months now. Maybe its an RSI from playing with the watch too much hah

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Best review quote of the day. Bravo! hah.
When I first got my 360 the battery life sucked. For an unrelated issue I had to reset the watch, and decided to click "No" to the Google Fit permissions during setup. This has drastically improved my battery life. I'll easily get to the end of the day with more than 50% battery, and that's taking the watch off the charging cradle at 6:40am. So, pretty good! And, the funny thing is, it's the Moto Fit app that's checking your heart rate in the background, not the Google Fit app. So, even with Moto Fit firing up the heart rate sensor all day the battery life is still awesome. Seems like some poor optimisation of the Google Fit app to me. And, on that note, I haven't noticed any pain in my wrist at all and I've been wearing it every day for about two months now. Maybe its an RSI from playing with the watch too much hah
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just got a 360 with 5.1.1 and battery life does suck indeed. Going to deny G-Fit and see what happens, I am hoping for a drastic battery improvement at least 2 days. Right now I can barely get one.

Takiyon said:
just got a 360 with 5.1.1 and battery life does suck indeed. Going to deny G-Fit and see what happens, I am hoping for a drastic battery improvement at least 2 days. Right now I can barely get one.
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Man What a difference... Turn all that **** off and the watch will last for 2 days. Dont need it anyway..

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just got a 360 with 5.1.1 and battery life does suck indeed. Going to deny G-Fit and see what happens, I am hoping for a drastic battery improvement at least 2 days. Right now I can barely get one.
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I killed google fit, turned off the gestures and ambient mode and I can squeeze out 48hrs between charges.

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Man What a difference... Turn all that **** off and the watch will last for 2 days. Dont need it anyway..
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Hah, glad it made a difference! Genuinely surprised how much impact Google Fit has, makes an amazing device seem like junk when it's running

Heyo! Looking to get into the smartwatch market this holiday and I figured a $99 moto 360 (if I can find them in stock) would be a nice way to do that. So, is this still a good buy in 2015? I have read the OMAP processor is slow and ancient but, does it get the job done on this watch?

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Heyo! Looking to get into the smartwatch market this holiday and I figured a $99 moto 360 (if I can find them in stock) would be a nice way to do that. So, is this still a good buy in 2015? I have read the OMAP processor is slow and ancient but, does it get the job done on this watch?
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I also have this doubt.

I'll be honest, I got the first gen 360 a few weeks ago because of a credit from Sprint and really wish I would've just put a few more dollars with it and got the Huawei watch.

For $99 you can't really go wrong. Yeah the processor might be a bit long in the tooth, but I don't really have any issues with mine. Plus the 2nd Gen costs loads more and doesn't really add any new functionality apart from looks.
I just find having mine really convenient, with my job I can't be looking at my phone all the time, so its perfect for me. I also find the ability to control music on my phone with my watch very handy when commuting. I'm now about to purchase a set of bluetooth headphones so I can listen to music stored on my watch. I'm in the minority who actually use Google Fit (I charge my phone every night but usually have around 40%-50% of battery left). Its just had strength training incorporated into it, so it can count how many sit ups, press ups or squats your doing, which is useful.

Even better now with the 6.0.1 update! Great value.

LG G4 Overheating while charging and under basic browser load.

Hello everyone!
I just aquired this phone yesterday and so far, I am amazed with the screen it has.
Although, as soon as I plugged it into the charger, the phone began heating up quite a bunch. The upper frame of the phone is where the heat comes from, almost as if it's coming from the processor or some shorted circuitry.
It's not unbearable to the touch, but it's really close to, which got me really worried.
Is it normal to heat like that on that upper frame while charging and under simple browser load? It also heats up a lot while downloading stuff from the Google Play store, even if not plugged to the charger. Oddly enough, the phone doesn't seem to have throttled down and I didn't have any lags or something. I ran a 3D Mark test when the phone was charging and got really warm, it still scored over 17.5k.
There's a screenshot below for the temperatures I am getting, those were actually low, some of those sensors appeared over 65C earlier on.
Is it faulty hardware? Should I return the product? Could anyone help me? Any help is really appreciated!

Mine never gets that hot. Only warm, as I would describe it best.
I'd try for a return/swap before it's too late and something fries.

G4 temperature testing
Keep in mind it depends on your environment of course, but unless you're living in the depths of hell I seriously doubt 48c while doing nothing much isn't a hardware (SoC thermal) problem. I'd be pushing for a replacement, where'd you buy it from?
By the way 65c? Jesus even my Oneplus 2 didn't get that hot.

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Mine never gets that hot. Only warm, as I would describe it best.
I'd try for a return/swap before it's too late and something fries.
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Yeah, I'll probably try it. I had a Xperia Z1 before and it never gave me heating problems, not to mention the battery would last an entire day with my using and watching videos. Already talked to the seller actually and the person said she'll be waiting for me to change the phone. I don't know, really; might be me and my location, it's really hot in here. Always about 30~35C+. But I still believe the phone shouldn't get that warm when charging.
I actually made a little comparison and my modem/router reaches about the same temperature as it; that is, without any cooling, the little modem gets incredibly hot to the touch.
I actually tried a few things I read around, hard/soft resetting, trying a less juicy charger (taking in consideration the one it comes with delivers 1.8 amp), tried one with 1 amp max output, still heated...
Either way, would you mind posting a screenshot like mine with your phone after some heavy usage/gaming? That'd be really helpful! Thanks in advance for replying!

Ran Antutu, midway switched to Aida and:
Do note: phone still does not feel "hot". Warm, sure. Hot, not quite :good:

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G4 temperature testing
Keep in mind it depends on your environment of course, but unless you're living in the depths of hell I seriously doubt 48c while doing nothing much isn't a hardware (SoC thermal) problem. I'd be pushing for a replacement, where'd you buy it from?
By the way 65c? Jesus even my Oneplus 2 didn't get that hot.
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Well, that's what the sensors were showing, I don't have a good way to actually measure the temperature the hardware is reaching... Does the OP2 heats up? xD
Well, Brazil isn't really far from hell, common temperatures ranging from 35-43 during the day is...pretty close, I suppose.
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Ran Antutu, midway switched to Aida and:
Do note: phone still does not feel "hot". Warm, sure. Hot, not quite :good:
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Thank you for the reference! It's strange though, my sensors reached about the same temperature, but the phone doesn't simply feel warm... As I said earlier, it really feels like a cheap-o ADSL modem on a hot day. You can hold your hand over the screen, for an example, but it becomes uncomfortable. The sides also gets really warm. I managed to figure where most of the heat came from though, it's just at the upper-left edge of the phone, close to the frontal-facing camera.

I've had 4 different Verizon g4's now and the all did the same thing , the two I have that are newest (one a couple weeks old) and they would get so hot around the modem and CPU i couldn't touch them and if even smell the chemicals in the plastic starting to release vapors (which that's not far from actual ignition) but the newest one isn't quite as bad. They all still worked through the heat without any noticeable damage, but I still have to pop the back off while using chrome plugged or not and hold it in front of a fan. This is the weirdest damn phone I've ever seen. .so picky and requires a lots of care but setup just right with a balance of what is continuously running especially how many and what kinda persistent services and it has become a real powerful toy lol
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The LG G4 is hot because of the Snapdragon 808 processor... See the link here I started:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/help/lg-g4-thermal-compound-mod-t3255074#post64038221

37 and 39 ° on bms? seriously dude, thermal throttling starts at ~45°. Your phone is absolutely normal!
Don't look at tz sensors, they are components instant temperature.

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I've had 4 different Verizon g4's now and the all did the same thing , the two I have that are newest (one a couple weeks old) and they would get so hot around the modem and CPU i couldn't touch them and if even smell the chemicals in the plastic starting to release vapors (which that's not far from actual ignition) but the newest one isn't quite as bad. They all still worked through the heat without any noticeable damage, but I still have to pop the back off while using chrome plugged or not and hold it in front of a fan. This is the weirdest damn phone I've ever seen. .so picky and requires a lots of care but setup just right with a balance of what is continuously running especially how many and what kinda persistent services and it has become a real powerful toy lol
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Oh my god, I have been doing that with mine, that's hilarious! I mean, my Xperia Z1 would get really hot with some applications, but then I'd just take it under a tap and cool it off... xD
On the other hand, I really didn't know I'd need to care so much about heat under normal usage with a flagship phone. It's sad because it becomes really uncomfortable to hold.
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The LG G4 is hot because of the Snapdragon 808 processor... See the link here I started:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/help/lg-g4-thermal-compound-mod-t3255074#post64038221
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Uh...okay, I will sure check that, thanks! But the last thing I want to do is to open a damn phone just to apply thermal compound. I wouldn't mind doing that to a PC every week, but doing once for a phone is kinda sad...
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37 and 39 ° on bms? seriously dude, thermal throttling starts at ~45°. Your phone is absolutely normal!
Don't look at tz sensors, they are components instant temperature.
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I kinda figured that out, the temperature they were showing is really over the head. The problem is, the upper part of the screen feels way hotter than 40C. I also did another run with the phone while heated and it showed throttling this time. Scores from Antutu and 3D mark were about 15~20% off.

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Oh my god, I have been doing that with mine, that's hilarious! I mean, my Xperia Z1 would get really hot with some applications, but then I'd just take it under a tap and cool it off... xD
On the other hand, I really didn't know I'd need to care so much about heat under normal usage with a flagship phone. It's sad because it becomes really uncomfortable to hold.
Uh...okay, I will sure check that, thanks! But the last thing I want to do is to open a damn phone just to apply thermal compound. I wouldn't mind doing that to a PC every week, but doing once for a phone is kinda sad...
I kinda figured that out, the temperature they were showing is really over the head. The problem is, the upper part of the screen feels way hotter than 40C. I also did another run with the phone while heated and it showed throttling this time. Scores from Antutu and 3D mark were about 15~20% off.
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The Xperia Z1 runs on a Snapdragon 800, not a 808 so it's not the same. That's the reason the G4 used a 808 instead of a 810 as the 808 is throttled back. As for opening the phone, it's the easiest phone to open and you only need to do it once for the thermal interface material, G3 had heating problems too. A Smartphone is still a computer as it's a entire Unix workstation that fits in your pocket. The processor is 6 cores and is 64 bit and it's located on the top part of the screen.

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The Xperia Z1 runs on a Snapdragon 800, not a 808 so it's not the same. That's the reason the G4 used a 808 instead of a 810 as the 808 is throttled back. As for opening the phone, it's the easiest phone to open and you only need to do it once for the thermal interface material, G3 had heating problems too. A Smartphone is still a computer as it's a entire Unix workstation that fits in your pocket. The processor is 6 cores and is 64 bit and it's located on the top part of the screen.
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Yeah, I know that quite well, believe me. It still makes me a bit sad about having a phone of this kind heating like a piece of plastic you find at those cheap-o stores. I would have actually bought a Xperia Z3+, but I heard so much about the thing overheating that made me really sad.
I also found one of those travel pack kits, with a battery and a external charger, is it a good idea to get one? You know, make usage of this lovely thing that swappable battery is.
Oddly enough, my own battery seems to be lasting pretty okay, fully charged yesterday, did some gaming, watched videos on YT, installed applications and such. Still going for over 24 hours right now and it has some juice left.

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Yeah, I know that quite well, believe me. It still makes me a bit sad about having a phone of this kind heating like a piece of plastic you find at those cheap-o stores. I would have actually bought a Xperia Z3+, but I heard so much about the thing overheating that made me really sad.
I also found one of those travel pack kits, with a battery and a external charger, is it a good idea to get one? You know, make usage of this lovely thing that swappable battery is.
Oddly enough, my own battery seems to be lasting pretty okay, fully charged yesterday, did some gaming, watched videos on YT, installed applications and such. Still going for over 24 hours right now and it has some juice left.
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Remember that Sony has always been known as a quality electronics brand. LG = GoldStar... until they had flat screen tv's, GoldStar was always a low end brand. It's no different than Hyundai having their new Genesis or whatever car and trying to be in the luxury market. The brand will never be the same level as the luxury brands like Cadillac, Lincoln, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti if you know what I mean.
No idea about the travel pack kits as I have never seen one here, depends if it's a good value or not as the battery alone is about $US30 and you really only need the battery. If you really wanted another battery, just call the wireless carrier and claim that your battery have issues, they'll send you one for free without having to send the old one back. I have over 760 apps installed including system apps and I have to greenify everything, otherwise Google Play Store won't download and install and hangs, doesn't do it on my Motorola Xoom tablet with less memory but only happens on phones even Motorola's for some reason. I noticed if I freeze Lookout, my battery life is way longer.

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Remember that Sony has always been known as a quality electronics brand. LG = GoldStar... until they had flat screen tv's, GoldStar was always a low end brand. It's no different than Hyundai having their new Genesis or whatever car and trying to be in the luxury market. The brand will never be the same level as the luxury brands like Cadillac, Lincoln, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti if you know what I mean.
No idea about the travel pack kits as I have never seen one here, depends if it's a good value or not as the battery alone is about $US30 and you really only need the battery. If you really wanted another battery, just call the wireless carrier and claim that your battery have issues, they'll send you one for free without having to send the old one back. I have over 760 apps installed including system apps and I have to greenify everything, otherwise Google Play Store won't download and install and hangs, doesn't do it on my Motorola Xoom tablet with less memory but only happens on phones even Motorola's for some reason. I noticed if I freeze Lookout, my battery life is way longer.
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True about the brand thing. But I really thought LG improved a lot. With their flat-screens and phones at least. I have been using LG monitors and TVs for a while now, only issue I had was with a LCD monitor, after 5 years of usage the thing won't stay on for over 5 minutes. The monitor would reboot and freeze at the LG logo.
The carrier thing isn't a choice where I live. The phone is "unlocked", so you can use with any carrier you want. My model is also the H818, dual-sim version. And yeah, it's going really cheap here, it's about 90 BRL, which is about 23 bucks. I found it in a good retail store and the product is certainly original from LG.
I also thought about getting the brand new Xperia Z5, but it's far too expensive here and it would have a smaller screen. While the Z5 premium isn't even an option because it hasn't reached the stores yet. So, the best option I had was the LG G4. Best price, swappable battery, larger screen, great camera and the best of those was the expandable storage. I own a toshiba class 10 64 gig SD, didn't want it to go to waste with a Samsung phone. ^^

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True about the brand thing. But I really thought LG improved a lot. With their flat-screens and phones at least. I have been using LG monitors and TVs for a while now, only issue I had was with a LCD monitor, after 5 years of usage the thing won't stay on for over 5 minutes. The monitor would reboot and freeze at the LG logo.
The carrier thing isn't a choice where I live. The phone is "unlocked", so you can use with any carrier you want. My model is also the H818, dual-sim version. And yeah, it's going really cheap here, it's about 90 BRL, which is about 23 bucks. I found it in a good retail store and the product is certainly original from LG.
I also thought about getting the brand new Xperia Z5, but it's far too expensive here and it would have a smaller screen. While the Z5 premium isn't even an option because it hasn't reached the stores yet. So, the best option I had was the LG G4. Best price, swappable battery, larger screen, great camera and the best of those was the expandable storage. I own a toshiba class 10 64 gig SD, didn't want it to go to waste with a Samsung phone. ^^
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It really depends on how many of the components are made by LG. Samsung makes more of the things inside their devices. As for LG, their OLED Flat Panel displays are full of problems if you look at avsforums which results into replacing panels and even sending full refunds. Panasonic sources the LG panels and then uses their own electronics and the thing is better but the Panasonic is atleast $US10k while the LG is $US5k.
I had never seen a LG monitor until recently as I'm still on a Silicon Graphics Inc 1600SW made by Mitsubishi Industrial in Japan, this is the same display used by the big CEOs on their desks including Bill Gates.
You can use the Verizon Wireless LG G4 with any carrier you want too, it's just the data part might not be 4G LTE speeds as those are all carrier dependent. Wow, 23 bucks is cheap for a phone since wouldn't it actually be cheaper buying another G4 than the so called battery kit you mentioned? The LG G4 supposedly has better reception than even Motorola phones from what I heard so not all is bad, basically they don't put 100% into a product so they can have room to introduce better models at a later date. LOL. The LG G4 is the only phone currently that has both a replaceable battery and MicroSD slot. To me, the second one is a requirement while the first one is good to have.

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It really depends on how many of the components are made by LG. Samsung makes more of the things inside their devices. As for LG, their OLED Flat Panel displays are full of problems if you look at avsforums which results into replacing panels and even sending full refunds. Panasonic sources the LG panels and then uses their own electronics and the thing is better but the Panasonic is atleast $US10k while the LG is $US5k.
I had never seen a LG monitor until recently as I'm still on a Silicon Graphics Inc 1600SW made by Mitsubishi Industrial in Japan, this is the same display used by the big CEOs on their desks including Bill Gates.
You can use the Verizon Wireless LG G4 with any carrier you want too, it's just the data part might not be 4G LTE speeds as those are all carrier dependent. Wow, 23 bucks is cheap for a phone since wouldn't it actually be cheaper buying another G4 than the so called battery kit you mentioned? The LG G4 supposedly has better reception than even Motorola phones from what I heard so not all is bad, basically they don't put 100% into a product so they can have room to introduce better models at a later date. LOL. The LG G4 is the only phone currently that has both a replaceable battery and MicroSD slot. To me, the second one is a requirement while the first one is good to have.
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Oh, sorry my english failed me there, second language and stuff, you know? I meant the charger kit is 23 bucks in here. 90 BRL converted to USD is about 23 bucks. The phone itself costed me almost 500 USD, got the one with black leather back, damn it looks great.
There's a lot of stuff about components I didn't know. Decent monitors here such as gaming ones are really expensive. LG ones manages good image quality and are also quite cheap. There is cheaper stuff in here, but the image quality on them is really bad.
Swappable battery isn't a must for me either, it's just nice to have. Now the MicroSD slot is a must, I like carrying a lot of stuff on the phone. Music, videos, games and such. Just 32 gigs wouldn't be enough for me xD

At $US23, it's still a bargain for the charger kit. I have the black leather back as well except the thread on mines is black as I basically used shoe cream on it to condition the leather after hearing some people's leather worn off.
About all monitors are cheap compared to my SGI which was $US2,500. I actually never use the internal SD because if something happens to the phone and it won't boot, you're in trouble as I have my Titanium backups on a 200GB MicroSD card which was actually cloned from my Motorola Droid RAZR Maxx HD.

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At $US23, it's still a bargain for the charger kit. I have the black leather back as well except the thread on mines is black as I basically used shoe cream on it to condition the leather after hearing some people's leather worn off.
About all monitors are cheap compared to my SGI which was $US2,500. I actually never use the internal SD because if something happens to the phone and it won't boot, you're in trouble as I have my Titanium backups on a 200GB MicroSD card which was actually cloned from my Motorola Droid RAZR Maxx HD.
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It is really cheap indeed, just ordered one. The kit's model is BCK-4800, it comes with an extra battery, a battery case and the external charger. Really great deal!
Did not know about that thing on the leather back... I do have a simple TPU case here, I haven't been using it because the phone's temperatures. It's really odd though, today isn't so hot in here (About 25-30C most) the phone is warm but it charged really quickly, it jumped from 5% to 85% in less than an hour. xD
Either way, that sounds like a really expensive monitor...Woah...

I'm using a battery pack as I still didn't get the free promotion of the battery, battery case and leather back yet as they ran out of stock. Last email from LG on October 20, 2015 was another 4-6 weeks which has came and gone, they haven't responded to my emails either. I'm using a Ringke Fusion case except it always pulls the entire leather back off when I try to take off the case.
http://www.amazon.com/Compatible-LEATHER-Back-Absorption-Protection-Customizable/dp/B00V51QOXA
When I got my monitor, it was in 2000 so it's still alive and kicking... LOL. It's basically the 17.3" version of the Apple 22" display. SGI is the big workstation manufacturer that has 500" or larger screens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGI_1600SW

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I'm using a battery pack as I still didn't get the free promotion of the battery, battery case and leather back yet as they ran out of stock. Last email from LG on October 20, 2015 was another 4-6 weeks which has came and gone, they haven't responded to my emails either. I'm using a Ringke Fusion case except it always pulls the entire leather back off when I try to take off the case.
http://www.amazon.com/Compatible-LEATHER-Back-Absorption-Protection-Customizable/dp/B00V51QOXA
When I got my monitor, it was in 2000 so it's still alive and kicking... LOL. It's basically the 17.3" version of the Apple 22" display. SGI is the big workstation manufacturer that has 500" or larger screens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGI_1600SW
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I did a quick search on it and saw that! I am actually using a old LG CRT monitor because my old 23 inch LCD one broke.
That case looks really good, but it's not shipped to Brazil... Oh well, nothing new, really.