[Q] Simple question about Kitkat - Galaxy Tab 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi guys
so I installed Kitkat 4.4.2 on my Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 T210 (the italian version), and what I noticed is that my tab became a little bit laggy, it used to run smoothly on JB 4.1.2 even when playing some games like Subway Surfers, but now I can't play this game as it is so laggy.
This update was supposed to make this tablet run better than on JB no? so what's the problem? thanks

Not much improvement with the tab 10 either. Got a new keyboard, and thats it. What a let down.

Tquarter said:
Not much improvement with the tab 10 either. Got a new keyboard, and thats it. What a let down.
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Same can be said about my tab 7.0 mate, nothing changed, it even became more laggy as I mentionned earlier, I love the multi-window new feature but that's it.. Totally disappointed.

Silvers91 said:
Same can be said about my tab 7.0 mate, nothing changed, it even became more laggy as I mentionned earlier, I love the multi-window new feature but that's it.. Totally disappointed.
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Yes, Samsung didn't even include multi window in our upgrade. I have multi user, and multi window enabled through exposed framework, and it works perfectly with no force closes from low memory. I think we shouldnt have to hack out devices to get features that should have been included with the kitkat upgrade.Samsung is LAME!

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[Q] Graphic problems with the Neo

Hello guys, I got the Neo.
Still tweaking it as long as a non-rooted device allows but i have one really frustrating problem. Well, the Asphalt 5 runs smoothly and without problems and it's a real 3D game. However, neither the Nova, nor the Assassin Creed for example run. It starts and etc but there are many places on the screen lacking graphics, it's like not having the right nvidia/ati drivers and everything is "transparently black" The same situation is with the Gangster. Where the problem comes from and how can i fix it ...?
cooin said:
Hello guys, I got the Neo.
Still tweaking it as long as a non-rooted device allows but i have one really frustrating problem. Well, the Asphalt 5 runs smoothly and without problems and it's a real 3D game. However, neither the Nova, nor the Assassin Creed for example run. It starts and etc but there are many places on the screen lacking graphics, it's like not having the right nvidia/ati drivers and everything is "transparently black" The same situation is with the Gangster. Where the problem comes from and how can i fix it ...?
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Are you using chainfire 3D by any chance
AndroHero said:
Are you using chainfire 3D by any chance
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Actually no idea what is that and if Im using it
Add - I looked around and can firmly say that Im not using it, cause as i understood, it is an additional 3d party app that requires root and since my phone is fresh out of the oven I still cannot risk to root it without having a complete and only for the neo guide for doing it
@cooin
The rooting procedure for both phones should be the same. Only the firmware would be neo specific.

[Q] It cannot be that slow

Hello there, first time i write here but been reading a lot!
First, you need to know I own a galaxy s2 s3 s4 (all rooted) and my good friend has a note 3.
Also played a lot with nexus10 and the first galaxy note 10.1
I waited so long to buy the "perfect" tablet. Ipad is out of question even tho we know they are awesome tablet, i am a system administrator and i need Android.
So when i heard about the new note 10.1 2014, i was very existed because i REALLY like my s4 and my friend's note 3.
And i thought the s pen was awesome for a tablet (seeing my kid having fun drawing on their own picture is a +).
Well i convicted my girlfriend we need this, i started reading a lot of reviews and decided to buy because reviews are all saying the tablet was the best to compete vs the ipad.
I bought it brand new on eBay because there was no place i can buy it in Canada.
As soon as i received it, i found it run so damn slow. .. WAY slower than my s4.
I can live with the short battery life, that's not a big deal even tho the 2x quad core was supposed to help that (running on 1.3 while on hold to save battery).
Looks like it is always running on that 1.3ghz cpu now.
I did a factory default reset. .. Then a hard reset, nothing helped.
Runs great Sometimes, but sometimes I am note even able to browse picture on the default gallery. Still no apps installed! !!
My friend with the note 3 came here last night and was amazed to see how the screen has a bad responds to finger but very good with the pen. Also how it freezes and lags.
Now... is it only MY galaxy note ?
Should i send it to Samsung and hope it is going to be OK when i receive it back ?
Is it normal and should be all fixed with kit kat update ?
Or normal... They missed it so i should just throw it away ? If so... What else should i get ?
I very like the aspect. The home/menu/back buttons, the o/s (touch wiz), the nexus 10 was not that great even with kit kat, but runs so much faster.
I don't know what to do, i want a tablet with the s pen, but the hold note 3 is running smoother than my 2014 edition! !!
I guess i need help here !
And as i bought the item from usa eBay, I'll have to pay for the shipping to Samsung if i send them my tablet for repair !
Thank you very much for your help and advice !
Martin L.
Sure you have a problem, ignoring some performance stuff the device is very fast and have leading scores in benchmark
If you can, upload your benchmark scores
SherifMedhat said:
Sure you have a problem, ignoring some performance stuff the device is very fast and have leading scores in benchmark
If you can, upload your benchmark scores
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It all seams to be random. .. Now the gallery works perfectly.
Really looks to be a problem switching from a cpu to the other and stays on the 1.3
Right now, while typing this, i got an error saying the gallery has stopped working! !
Any idea which benchmark i should use ?
See attached is the print screen of a benchmark. .. Perfect score, exactly what i was expecting from this tablet.
But it definitively does not feel like it!
genius312 said:
See attached is the print screen of a benchmark. .. Perfect score, exactly what i was expecting from this tablet.
But it definitively does not feel like it!
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What firmware version is installed on your new Note 2014?
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genius312 said:
Runs great Sometimes, but sometimes I am note even able to browse picture on the default gallery. Still no apps installed! !!
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I have no problems with the gallery app. Before I bought the Note, I had the Xperia Tablet Z for a short time and it was much slower in the Gallery app. My JPEGs usually are about 10 MByte each and browsing hundreds of them works very well on the Note.
Where do i find the firmware ?
Model Number is sm-p600
Android 4.3
Kernel 3.4.39-204073
version jss15j.p600ueubmk1
genius312 said:
Where do i find the firmware?
version jss15j.p600ueub-----mk1
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You are on MK1 which is the latest in US as far as I'm aware.
Sent from Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition via Tapatalk.
You have the current firmware, so that is not the issue. It is possible that you have a corrupted file somewhere that is causing a problem for an app.
To check this:
- Do have an SD card installed? If so, do the problems go away if you remove the card? I've seen cases (although, on earlier galaxy devices, not this one) where a corrupt jpeg file causes the gallery app to run constantly, slowing everything else down.
- You said it is always running at 1.3ghz. That could indicate a problem with an app running all the time in the background and slowing things down. When you are not using it for a while (e.g., at night) the CPU should slow down to deep sleep. If that is not happening and you want to figure which app running and keeping it at 1.3, trying downloading an app called BetterBatteryStats. It will show (after a bit of a learning curve) the CPU time for all your running apps.
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You have the current firmware, so that is not the issue. It is possible that you have a corrupted file somewhere that is causing a problem for an app.
To check this:
- Do have an SD card installed? If so, do the problems go away if you remove the card? I've seen cases (although, on earlier galaxy devices, not this one) where a corrupt jpeg file causes the gallery app to run constantly, slowing everything else down.
- You said it is always running at 1.3ghz. That could indicate a problem with an app running all the time in the background and slowing things down. When you are not using it for a while (e.g., at night) the CPU should slow down to deep sleep. If that is not happening and you want to figure which app running and keeping it at 1.3, trying downloading an app called BetterBatteryStats. It will show (after a bit of a learning curve) the CPU time for all your running apps.
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Thank you for your answer.
No sd card yet and i do not think i will need any. I have enough on my s4
I found the system slow so i did a factory reset from the menus.
It was still slow after so i did a hard reset.
If it is a corrupted file. .. That file is in the core files because the hard reset would have wipe it !
But it makes sense tho since the problem is random.
But every thing should be as smooth as the s4 and the note 3 ?
Not because it had a bigger screen. ..i should feel a little lag switching from photos to photos (or windows to windows) ?
genius312 said:
Not because it had a bigger screen.
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The bigger display area will make a difference. The N3 has a PPI of 386 and a 5.7" display. The N10.1-14 has a PPI of 299 and a 10.1" display. I'm too lazy to compute the actual display area but the N10.1-14's CPU/GPU is pushing at least 40% more pixels to the display.
I should feel a little lag switching from photos to photos (or windows to windows) ?
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The N3's much faster at transitions and app opening/closing than the N10.1-14. If you pinch-zoom to display all your home pages on the N3 it's fast; on the N10.1-14 not so much. I find that within apps the N10.1-14's fine and its performance reflects the high-end h/w. It'll stutter occasionally during a transition or in opening/closing apps but it's still plenty fast; at least to me. Hopefully performance will improve when we get 4.4/M-UX because the CES display units were impressively fast at pinch zooming and transitions.
Samsung's Gallery app has always had occasional indexing problems; especially with large numbers of photos and when cloud services are displayed in the Gallery. The next time it happens turn off Wi-Fi. It should instantly start responding normally. Once the indexing service has caught up the Gallery should be fine (until it indexes again).
BarryH_GEG said:
The bigger display area will make a difference. The N3 has a PPI of 386 and a 5.7" display. The N10.1-14 has a PPI of 299 and a 10.1" display. I'm too lazy to compute the actual display area but the N10.1-14's CPU/GPU is pushing at least 40% more pixels to the display.
The N3's much faster at transitions and app opening/closing than the N10.1-14. If you pinch-zoom to display all your home pages on the N3 it's fast; on the N10.1-14 not so much. I find that within apps the N10.1-14's fine and its performance reflects the high-end h/w. It'll stutter occasionally during a transition or in opening/closing apps but it's still plenty fast; at least to me. Hopefully performance will improve when we get 4.4/M-UX because the CES display units were impressively fast at pinch zooming and transitions.
Samsung's Gallery app has always had occasional indexing problems; especially with large numbers of photos and when cloud services are displayed in the Gallery. The next time it happens turn off Wi-Fi. It should instantly start responding normally. Once the indexing service has caught up the Gallery should be fine (until it indexes again).
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True, the N3 is a war machine !
But compared to my S4 then, it should at least be as fast !
I really like my S4, decent speed, never crashes.
Only holding the screen between 2 photos is lagging on the 10.1-14 !
But this is not my concern, the real problem is when it decides to run slower then my hold S2 !
And compared to the first gen 10.1, beside the interface which is way better on the 10.1-14, the speed seams faster on the old one and the touch screen works better with fingers too !
genius312 said:
True, the N3 is a war machine !
But compared to my S4 then, it should at least be as fast !
I really like my S4, decent speed, never crashes.
Only holding the screen between 2 photos is lagging on the 10.1-14 !
But this is not my concern, the real problem is when it decides to run slower then my hold S2 !
And compared to the first gen 10.1, beside the interface which is way better on the 10.1-14, the speed seams faster on the old one and the touch screen works better with fingers too !
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It is what it is my friend. You're running the latest U.S. s/w so unless you're having a h/w issue (doubtful) than the performance you're getting is the performance you're going to get. At least until updates hopefully speed of fluidity. The Tab/Note|Pro's running 4.4/M-UX appear significantly faster than the N10.1-14 and use the exact same h/w so the occasional lag we're seeing is curable with s/w.
Hopefully yes.
Is there any software I can install to see which CPU is running ?
Because when it runs great, I m happy with the little lag... not a big problem
But when it decides to stop, them everything is slow.
I see no updates running, if I empty the ram, it is still using 2.05 out of 3 ! ( I have 2 users)
Even switching from users to the other is slower then what I see on youtube (People showing that fonctionnality).
and WAAAY slower that the old nexus 10 I used.
Maybe the switching from 1 processor to the other is not perfect and gives problem a lot ...
Root and freeze or install all the bloat ware Inc my magazine. Download greenify and hibernate running apps, in developer options turn the animations to 0.5. Or try nova launcher too
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reubenskelly1992 said:
Root and freeze or install all the bloat ware Inc my magazine. Download greenify and hibernate running apps, in developer options turn the animations to 0.5. Or try nova launcher too
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*unistall
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reubenskelly1992 said:
Root and freeze or install all the bloat ware Inc my magazine. Download greenify and hibernate running apps, in developer options turn the animations to 0.5. Or try nova launcher too
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Not sure i understood it all. . But I'll try to decrypt.
I don't want to root it right now as I'm not sure i will keep it !!!
I know Nova launcher and was about to give it a try when i figured out the problem was not only the home screen. ..
Is it normal to be running almost all the time at 2.3gb out of 3 ?
I close all the apps on the 2 users, clear the ram and still running at 2.3-2.4gb
I only saw it once at 1.7!
genius312 said:
Not sure i understood it all. . But I'll try to decrypt.
I don't want to root it right now as I'm not sure i will keep it !!!
I know Nova launcher and was about to give it a try when i figured out the problem was not only the home screen. ..
Is it normal to be running almost all the time at 2.3gb out of 3 ?
I close all the apps on the 2 users, clear the ram and still running at 2.3-2.4gb
I only saw it once at 1.7!
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Yeah that sounds about right. You can go to settings > apps. >all. And click on the apps u don't use or u think could be running in the background and disable them. Also the less screen pages and widgets you have running the better. I'd recommend an app called clean master. It will clean your device. Before I rooted my ram was that hight but after rooting it can as low as 1.2. Generally on 1.5. And rarely goes over 2. Hope this helps
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reubenskelly1992 said:
Yeah that sounds about right. You can go to settings > apps. >all. And click on the apps u don't use or u think could be running in the background and disable them. Also the less screen pages and widgets you have running the better. I'd recommend an app called clean master. It will clean your device. Before I rooted my ram was that hight but after rooting it can as low as 1.2. Generally on 1.5. And rarely goes over 2. Hope this helps
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Se this morning it was at 1.9 Gb used out of 3 ! (2,71 in fact)
I have 3 apps opened now (facebook messenger, VLC et My Magazine) and I m using 2.54 ..... I think it s weird !
I only have 5 apps installed on it.
Also, I use swype to type text (slide my fingers through the keyboard) and sometimes it just doesn't work. I start sliding and it's like it cannot see my finger anymore. Works better with the pen again. Like I said previously, like it the screen has hard time to detect my finger on the screen.
Again, sometimes .. not always !
I think I m gonna see how much it will cost me to send it back to samsung and have it repaired .. I don't think all this is normal.
A lot of people say they bought tablets for 150$ and they works perfectly.
Yes mine does multi user, but at 150 I could have bought 4 of 'em + a lot of accessories !
genius312 said:
Se this morning it was at 1.9 Gb used out of 3 ! (2,71 in fact). I have 3 apps opened now (facebook messenger, VLC et My Magazine) and I m using 2.54 ..... I think it s weird ! I only have 5 apps installed on it.
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Don't confuse "apps" with "processes" and "services." Because of all Samsung's "stuff" (EG: Multi View, S Pen) there are a gazillion open processes running in the background anticipating being needed. If you go in to Task Manager and "clear RAM" you'll see 40-50 processes being closed. You really needn't worry about it because Android dynamically manages memory and if something in the foreground needs memory it'll prioritize what to close in the background. Also, Mali reserves probably 500MB for itself at all times so you never really had 3GB of RAM truly available. Samsung, not being a benevolent company, included 3GB of RAM in the N3 and N10.1-14 for a reason.
In other words, if you're having some type of performance issue it's highly doubtful it's being caused by RAM starvation.
Of course the ram is not the problem... even if there is only 300 mo free, that s enough to manage the program I run.
But I really hate when I cannot swipe to type, when the gallery is so buggy that I cannot browse my pictures ( 10 photos max... not linked with Dropbox or facebook), when I have to wait for the next page in the apps page, when I try to slide the page and it just doesn't t work.. have to do it twice or trice ... When I want to slide down the notifications but I have to try 3-5-6 or 7 times...
Switching pages in the S note take times...sometimes lag but that is not a problem for me... All the others tho really makes me feel like either that tablet is a crap or mine has a problem .
I would sincerely prefere the second
When it s not buggy it works great... but sooooo unstable

[Q] Tab 3 10.1 Angry birds Go problem.

ok guys, so I just bought a tab 3 10.1 (p5200) a couple of days ago, and I´m really happy with it, but I installed angry birds go on it and it looks horrible, the antialiasing is completly off, so it looks pixelated, I also have installed it on my Note 3 and I don´t have that problem on this device.
So please if someone knows how to fix this, please help me....THANKS!!:fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
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ok guys, so I just bought a tab 3 10.1 (p5200) a couple of days ago, and I´m really happy with it, but I installed angry birds go on it and it looks horrible, the antialiasing is completly off, so it looks pixelated, I also have installed it on my Note 3 and I don´t have that problem on this device.
So please if someone knows how to fix this, please help me....THANKS!!:fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
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I had the same problem. But I have the 7'' model. My tab is rooted. So I could change the name of the device. I do not remember which, but I have select a name of a high-end device. After that game deleted. After reinstalling the graphics was much better, but a little (very little) laggy.
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I had the same problem. But I have the 7'' model. My tab is rooted. So I could change the name of the device. I do not remember which, but I have select a name of a high-end device. After that game deleted. After reinstalling the graphics was much better, but a little (very little) laggy.
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I also have the 10" tab but after rooting and installing a custom rom, play store insisted the version available was not for tablets. Managed to acquire an apk on the Internet which installed just fine and works Ok.

Keyboard lag 4.4.4

Does anyone is having an extreme lag with the ZL ?? I'm suffering from it and I don't know if it's the 4.4.4 update or what.( I dont remember when it started). I tried with stock rom and right now with MoonWalker Rom, but I have the same issue on both. What do I have to do? Do I have to go back to 4.3 or there is a fix?
Thank you so much!
Welll... thank you all for your feedback
can you sucscribe lag thatyou have? i have a lag that my keyboard not always show in time when i touch an input area, i have to wait couple seconds. and i thin this is arom related.
Hello, I have the same issue after kitkat update. I did everything to fix this problem and nothing.
I notice that after full recovery (format) Is fine but when the stock apps update via google play (like google play services) the issue appear.
I just have one thing to say, this is my first and last time with Sony. Buggy Firmware, lot of hardware bugs, the screen is not resistant, the vibration system is like a china phone and so on.
My issues:
Texting lag (keyboard lag)
screen transitions lag
Opening and closening the status bar lag
Scroll lag
everything had lag after kitkat update
I did every kind of recovery.
It's very laggy just when i delete something
possible correction
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Does anyone is having an extreme lag with the ZL ?? I'm suffering from it and I don't know if it's the 4.4.4 update or what.( I dont remember when it started). I tried with stock rom and right now with MoonWalker Rom, but I have the same issue on both. What do I have to do? Do I have to go back to 4.3 or there is a fix?
Thank you so much!
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I deleted the folder baidu and cleaned the cache of chrome and facebook ..Teclado stopped halting here
Sorry for the english
BastaS said:
can you sucscribe lag thatyou have? i have a lag that my keyboard not always show in time when i touch an input area, i have to wait couple seconds. and i thin this is arom related.
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It lags when I tap on an input text, it lags when I type... like: I type a sentence and nothing happens....after 4 seconds, characters appears in a fast sequence...and this happens 90% of the time.
What I have tried:
Reboot
Clean caches
Re-install ROM
Install 3 different stock roms (my cell is BL)
The final and WORKING thing that I did is........: Go back to fu**in 4.3, it runs smoothly like 4.4.4 should be.
I recommend not to buy a sony device, their development team sucks and they release devices every 5months which becomes the current generations obsolete in a couple of months.
Poyta said:
Hello, I have the same issue after kitkat update. I did everything to fix this problem and nothing.
I notice that after full recovery (format) Is fine but when the stock apps update via google play (like google play services) the issue appear.
I just have one thing to say, this is my first and last time with Sony. Buggy Firmware, lot of hardware bugs, the screen is not resistant, the vibration system is like a china phone and so on.
My issues:
Texting lag (keyboard lag)
screen transitions lag
Opening and closening the status bar lag
Scroll lag
everything had lag after kitkat update
I did every kind of recovery.
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Go back to 4.3, it's the only way. and.... sell your phone and buy a Samsung, HTC or LG
opticon107 said:
Go back to 4.3, it's the only way. and.... sell your phone and buy a Samsung, HTC or LG
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Thanks for the advice!
Actually this is my girlfriend's phone, my is a clean and perfect nexus 5.
But there is some news... Maybe some services get updated in the last 2 weeks, and now the phone is good enought to use, not perfect but is good, 90% of the laggy disappear, but I dont know for how long....
Sony nevermore...just clean androids like nexus....
I had to back to 4.3. The best rom ever. The 4.4.4 lags a lot on keyboard and multitasking.
If you have 2 or 3 app it's OK, otherwise not.
The 4.4.4 Taskbar is ugly, lags and worst than 4.3.
The question is. What the "Fuccc..." 4.4.4 have better than 4.3?
So, don't upgrade to kitkat. Only the real chocolate bar ir better than jellybean...

Does Sketchbook Pro run Smith enough on this tablet?

Hello I just ordered one of these off eBay for $80 in excellent condition but I feel like I should've asked if sketchbook runs smooth enough on here? I know it's old hardware, but still better than Snapdragon 410 in Galaxy A tab. I wanted a small tablet with s pen (Wacom). I don't need it for anything else I have an iPhone 6s and i7 desktop and Skylake i3 laptop
what version JB 4.1.2 or 4.2.2? Hopefully you didn't get 4.4.2.
As of this month I finally got the best ever overall operation in 4.4.2. But it is not anywhere as perfect as 4.1.2 or 4.2.2
If by chance you have KK, you can either root and use a custom kernel or do the S Note fix to correct the spen pixel issue
It is easy to do, but any complain about it being trial and error. Once you get the knack, you'll wonder why you had such a problem in the first place.
I have the app in question along with Layer Paint HD, and Paper Artist. once you align your spen in KK, you won't have any issues with drawing apps.
There are custom ROMs that correct the spen issue but some still need work as they are not 100% fully functional as stock is.
Since I require perfect miracast functions, with minimal bugs with a nice layout. I was forced into manually selecting components from S5, Tab 4 and Note 2 stock ROMs, along with some ported system apps distributed by Devs. Some very few apps are from dead ROMs, where the Dev let rot away.
Yes you can run S5 apps in stock form, just need to root and run Xposed with app settings. Some apps require 320 or so DPI, and others may require 190 or 220. It is a trial and error, but they are stock, and with a build.prop mod, you can update them on Play or Galaxy.
I run the latest versions of Tab 4 version and S5 version of Peel Smart Remotes. As S5 has a better layout.
Some apps like Kids mode need a small tweak with a saved older sub app to run, though the lock screen widget interactions and gator animations are missing.
I run my N5110 as a T330 (Tab 4 8.0) in my build prop, 90% of the time, with out any issues with my apps. The remainder of my usage is in S5 form, as my Chrome Dev browser with Samsung's chrome customization system app, operates a wee better browsing on the Internet. Seems that the updated versions are not so device dependant in the build.prop requirements.
Hello thanks! Sounds good I don't have the device yet. I'm sure I'll be back with more questions. Hopefully it's not 4.4.2 like you said.
Okay sadly it has 4.4.2 Can yuu point me in the direction of the spen fix?
By the way I have SAMSUNG-SGH-I467 sounds like it's hard to root this device?
autocorrect sucks on your thread title...
Smith or smooth? XD
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