Just out of curiosity, Why is their more rom options and development for the 7a than the 7? I am an owner of the us version find 7 and thought maybe their would be just as much development for the 7 if not more considering the higher specs.
Just curious
May be because of the higher price? Devs might not be able to afford the high-end version?
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also, 7a was on the market approx 2'months before 7
Also the qhd screen and not standard and many apps have problem working on it.
In fact there isn't really a lot more rom for the 7a than the qhd version since almost all of the rom are supported by both devices ! (maybe a few older ones)
It's just that the forum form isn't adapted for this kind of rom that goes on he find 7a and the find 7, so devellopers share their work in the find 7a development section.
It might seem like that, but I think there is a lack of ROMs for the Find7/7a period. However, most 7a ROMs will work on the 7
rgreene1971 said:
Just out of curiosity, Why is their more rom options and development for the 7a than the 7? I am an owner of the us version find 7 and thought maybe their would be just as much development for the 7 if not more considering the higher specs.
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Most of us don't want to maintain two separate threads for what is effectively the same device.
I am not aware of a single project that doesn't support 7a and 7s with a single build that works on both. I recommended that the moderators not split out the forums but they did it anyway. 7s took a bit longer since it was released 2-3 months later and dual-DSI is something no one had worked with before, but every project I know of has supported the 7s since mid-July. But none of us want to create a second thread in the 7s forum and just kept on using our threads in the 7a forums.
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Do you believe that the thread of oppo find 7 should separated in two: oppo find 7 and oppo find 7a? Do you believe that there will be need for this when the roms start to come out?
purplexed9 said:
Do you believe that the thread of oppo find 7 should separated in two: oppo find 7 and oppo find 7a? Do you believe that there will be need for this when the roms start to come out?
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Makes sense to me.
I don't think there will be a need. It is sounding like the same rom will work for both and they come with the same software. Outside of screen calibration and impressions there is nothing much to make into a separate section as what applies to one applies to all. Unless of course future QHD owners aren't wanting to soil themselves by associating with the unfortunate vanilla 7A owners, that certainly calls for a new section. lol
No way will the same ROM work with all 4 versions of the F7. Just between the 7/7A there's 2 different processors. Maybe that could be settled with just a different kernel but I doubt it.
People are already using the same rom on two variants of the 7A and their tech guru is claiming the same rom with an auto detect could work for both the 7 and 7A. Tech guru is far from a word that would be used to describe me however. I'm sure entropy or one of the other guys will come along and set us (me) straight. Were it to be the case that different roms were required it would probably be a good idea to split the development section into two although that doesn't seem to be proof against people installing the wrong rom version as I've seen on many other phones.
About 90% of Oppo's deltas between 7 and 7A are handled at runtime by the kernel using a PCB version register.
Oppo's naming conventions are a bit confusing:
Find 7A = find7 (kernel defconfig)
Find 7 = find7wx (kernel defconfig) = Find 7S (kernel comments)
Find 7 OnePlus Edition = find7op (kernel source) = OnePlus One (what OnePlus calls it)
There are a few small things in the kernel that are handled by defconfigs instead of runtime - none of us have looked to see if these can be all switched to runtime because we don't have FHD 7 units yet.
Ideally there will be a common build. Worst case there will be a defconfig delta and 99% of the code will be common and (probably) the end result will be a common thread for omni (I hope...) Kind of like if I bothered to create a thread for galaxys2-family devices for Omni, I'd probably just create a unified one for I9100/I777/N7000 at this point. (maybe not N7000 but def. I777/I9100)
No. For the same reason why all the different Galaxy S4 variants are kept under the Galaxy S4 thread.
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No. For the same reason why all the different Galaxy S4 variants are kept under the Galaxy S4 thread.
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Still, create a different f7 variant under the main f7 thread. As I have written, separate the devices of the thread, not create a completely new thread.
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No. For the same reason why all the different Galaxy S4 variants are kept under the Galaxy S4 thread.
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Um what? Every single carrier variant of the GS4 was given its own entire forum (not just an Exynos/Qcom split). (in retrospect probably a bad idea, but not surprising given Samsung's prior track record)
Also, "thread" is probably not the appropriate term for what the OP was asking.
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Find 7A = find7 (kernel defconfig)
Find 7 = find7wx (kernel defconfig) = Find 7S (kernel comments)
Find 7 OnePlus Edition = find7op (kernel source) = OnePlus One (what OnePlus calls it)
777/I9100)
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Is the hardware in the OnePlus One and the Find 7 really that similar? Or was this said partly tongue-in-cheek?
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Is the hardware in the OnePlus One and the Find 7 really that similar? Or was this said partly tongue-in-cheek?
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It is.
Between OnePlus' relation with Oppo, the documented specifications, etc. - Pretty much every difference in the defconfigs/source for the two devices corresponds to the few documented differences in specs between the two devices.
The OnePlus One is a Find 7a with the following tweaks:
1) Nonremovable battery (kernel change: battery authentication disabled)
2) A PN65T instead of PN544 (kernel change: PN65 support in the NFC driver. The PN65 is pointless now that Google has sunsetted hardware SE support)
3) RGB LED instead of the blue-only Skyline (kernel change: different LED driver)
4) Left/right "mirror" reversal. (power button on right of OnePlus, left for F7a, etc.) Kernel change: none
5) MSM8974AC instead of MSM8974AB (kernel change: none, handled automatically at runtime)
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No way will the same ROM work with all 4 versions of the F7. Just between the 7/7A there's 2 different processors. Maybe that could be settled with just a different kernel but I doubt it.
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Addel (product manager for oppo) just confirmed that the same 2.0 beta download can be installed on both 7 and 7a phones. It would seem that roms that don't include the baseband can be installed across the platform.
krabman said:
Addel (product manager for oppo) just confirmed that the same 2.0 beta download can be installed on both 7 and 7a phones. It would seem that roms that don't include the baseband can be installed across the platform.
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I saw that and stand corrected. You gotta cut me a little slack, coming from a Samsung background where every single variant, along with basebands, cause huge issues. Glad to see it done simple from Oppo.
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Addel (product manager for oppo) just confirmed that the same 2.0 beta download can be installed on both 7 and 7a phones. It would seem that roms that don't include the baseband can be installed across the platform.
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could also be the software baseband compatible with both versions of the hardware modem
(nexus 5 US and int'l phones use the same software modem, though supporting different LTE bands)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...t/modem-nexus-5-flashable-modems-efs-t2514095
Entropy512 said:
It is.
Between OnePlus' relation with Oppo, the documented specifications, etc. - Pretty much every difference in the defconfigs/source for the two devices corresponds to the few documented differences in specs between the two devices.
The OnePlus One is a Find 7a with the following tweaks:
1) Nonremovable battery (kernel change: battery authentication disabled)
2) A PN65T instead of PN544 (kernel change: PN65 support in the NFC driver. The PN65 is pointless now that Google has sunsetted hardware SE support)
3) RGB LED instead of the blue-only Skyline (kernel change: different LED driver)
4) Left/right "mirror" reversal. (power button on right of OnePlus, left for F7a, etc.) Kernel change: none
5) MSM8974AC instead of MSM8974AB (kernel change: none, handled automatically at runtime)
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So after things get rolling: Find7, Find7a, and OPO owners should be able to flash roms for all devices, followed up by the correct kernel?
Yes. That's pretty much the expected outcome.
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So after things get rolling: Find7, Find7a, and OPO owners should be able to flash roms for all devices, followed up by the correct kernel?
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If we can't do a unified kernel, we'll be doing separate complete builds for both. But you could expect in that case we'll have something similar to the Samsung Galaxy S2 family, where the I9100, I777, and N7000 all inherit a "common" device tree that contains 95%+ of the stuff for each device.
Plan to buy Oppo Find 7 but curious about custom rom. I couldn't find Find7 Rom so can we use the same custom rom? Thank you
none of the developers do have got a find7 from oppo.
as far as I know the available custom roms do not work on find7 due missing screen compatibility
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Technically it is doable to have one ROM for both but other than color os no one supports it yet.
That will stay like that until one of the developers gets the time and the required device.
MrColdbird said:
Technically it is doable to have one ROM for both but other than color os no one supports it yet.
That will stay like that until one of the developers gets the time and the required device.
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Yup. I would expect it to only take an evening or two worth of work for someone who knows what they're doing and actually has the device.
I'm not sure if I'll be receiving a QHD Find7 from Oppo, but someone who has the required skills most definitely will. It's primarily an issue of fixing up some things I chose to leave for later in my bringup efforts.
Specfically - https://github.com/omnirom/android_...mmit/59223a3e64565bcfa13bfd3b58fc676128d02ca7 fixed display initialization for the 7a but I did NOT do the same for the 7 because I didn't have one. That's the primary issue with the 7 currently.
Specifically you'll notice that nothing below the else{} case for dual DSI (Find 7S aka Find 7 QHD) was changed (near the bottom of the commit linked above)
I believe that developers had a difficult time now to support Quad HD smartphone because technically its a bit anew for them. Look to the Original Development of LG G3, there still no available rom or even custom recovery for that, same as Oppo Find 7. Just wait for the devs to learn new things and thanks them for their best efforts to support the android community.
Am I correct to assume that as far as heavy attention from devs, moving forward from here the Pro models will be the ones getting the most attention? The most development? I don't know how the regular 7 looks like as far as dev support but when I had that phone for a few weeks before selling it off it had very little. I'm curious what has dev's attention right now, even though this 7T has only been out a short while. Are they going to be mostly focused on the Pro models like the 7 Pro and 7T Pro?
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Am I correct to assume that as far as heavy attention from devs, moving forward from here the Pro models will be the ones getting the most attention? The most development? I don't know how the regular 7 looks like as far as dev support but when I had that phone for a few weeks before selling it off it had very little. I'm curious what has dev's attention right now, even though this 7T has only been out a short while. Are they going to be mostly focused on the Pro models like the 7 Pro and 7T Pro?
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Most of development will be unified the only major difference being the display, also both phones will get equal attention due to the region wise availability and non pro series being cheaper
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Most of development will be unified the only major difference being the display, also both phones will get equal attention due to the region wise availability and non pro series being cheaper
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Looks to me that the 7 Pro got the lion's share of attention compared to the regular 7.
Feels as dev support for oneplus getting less for every generation of devices, now with android 10 and its non RW system i think dev support will be dropping more than before
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Looks to me that the 7 Pro got the lion's share of attention compared to the regular 7.
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The case was different with 7 pro, Oneplus 7 was launched in very limited markets, also it was launched before 7 pro, as 7 pro was their main flagship last year and it got all of the hype and availability that attention to 7 pro is justified.
This timeit is almost the opposite , 7T is their main focus than 7T pro, that is cleary apparent due to the fact they have only one storage variant of 7T pro which indicates limited production supply.
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The case was different with 7 pro, Oneplus 7 was launched in very limited markets, also it was launched before 7 pro, as 7 pro was their main flagship last year and it got all of the hype and availability that attention to 7 pro is justified.
This timeit is almost the opposite , 7T is their main focus than 7T pro, that is cleary apparent due to the fact they have only one storage variant of 7T pro which indicates limited production supply.
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If the 7T was just a few cm SHORTER (display) it would be the perfect Android phone, IMO. Perfect as far as balance between features and price.
Bros, what you guys thinking of buying 7T now? My main criteria is custom ROM development support but only OmniRom and AOSiP (alpha) is there now. Since four models are released in a very short period this year and the 7 Pro is the one with so many custom ROMs like about 15+. None of the other have even more than 3 (OP 7). I want to buy the new one very soon because my current device has fallen from a very height and many parts need to be replaced.
I'm surprised at the lack of development myself, but I assume it's because of how new Android 10 is and the whole issue with TWRP. Might be the same on other Android 10 devices. With that said, I'm pretty happy with rooted OxygenOS atm -- even if other ROMs were available, I'm not totally sure I'd switch over.
The price for a new 7T and pre-owned 7 Pro is the same here. The size and weight of 7 Pro is a bit larger that's why I'm thinking of 7T but lack of custom ROMs is pulling me away. My current Z2 has large development support that's why I can't think of anything without custom ROM support. Another option is to buy a new K20 Pro for a lower price. Or a pre-owned 6T (same price as the new K20 Pro).
Bros, decided to buy a pre-owned 7T 8GB 128GB for $400. Found out that it has almost everything I like and doesn't have something I hate. I hope the development support will pick up anytime soon ?
Just got my 7T!!! And it's an amazing device.. ??
Yeah, I just bought a used 7t. Really thought I would go for the 7 Pro, but having looked into it, I'm not sure why anyone would. The 7t has all of the best bits of the 7 Pro [emoji106][emoji3]
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j0ff said:
Yeah, I just bought a used 7t. Really thought I would go for the 7 Pro, but having looked into it, I'm not sure why anyone would. The 7t has all of the best bits of the 7 Pro [emoji106][emoji3]
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Yes bro, 7T has almost everything which I wanted and lacks only a very few things. Like it has a
+ non-popup camera so faster fact unlocking
+ 90Hz of course
+ stereo speakers
+ 3 cameras with a wider one and now with a super-macro mode
+ OIS
+ less weight compared to 7 Pro
+ 855+
and pretty much everything a flagship needs. The only thing I miss is the QHD display. I have a VR/AR device so I wanted to use it for watching movies like in a theatre. The QHD display has less pixelated view compared to fHD for this use. But compared to other specs it is not a deal.
I am a long time OnePlus user, having owned 4 of their models. I was contemplating upgrading to the 7T and was surprised to see there is not as much development for this phone as I would have expected at this point. Is the main reason for this is no TWRP support? What is holding up the TWRP development?
Thanks, in advance.
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I am a long time OnePlus user, having owned 4 of their models. I was contemplating upgrading to the 7T and was surprised to see there is not as much development for this phone as I would have expected at this point. Is the main reason for this is no TWRP support? What is holding up the TWRP development?
Thanks, in advance.
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From what I have seen lack of twrp is the main reason.besodes that I think a good bit of developers have the pro
From what I've read the main twrp dev is on hiatus, due to this and his personal life twrp development is very slow for A10 at the moment, and until that is figured out a proper twrp wont work. Though I've read once a rom is flashed, twrp works? I'm not nearly 10% on that tho. That would require more research than I'm willing to put in atm.
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From what I've read the main twrp dev is on hiatus, due to this and his personal life twrp development is very slow for A10 at the moment, and until that is figured out a proper twrp wont work. Though I've read once a rom is flashed, twrp works? I'm not nearly 10% on that tho. That would require more research than I'm willing to put in atm.
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From what I have seen with the two roms I've seen nothing on a working twrp
This is something that makes hold on the purchase of the device. I don't know if it is better to just get a 7 Pro out of eBay.
SirRhor said:
This is something that makes hold on the purchase of the device. I don't know if it is better to just get a 7 Pro out of eBay.
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Seems like the pro has more support honestly
azsl1326 said:
I am a long time OnePlus user, having owned 4 of their models. I was contemplating upgrading to the 7T and was surprised to see there is not as much development for this phone as I would have expected at this point. Is the main reason for this is no TWRP support? What is holding up the TWRP development?
Thanks, in advance.
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The main issue is with the lack of proper TWRP for 7T and that too because of the partitioning (and related stuffs) system of Android 10. I was too excited when I heard that 7T would be the first device that comes with Android 10 out of the box, but that excitement came to end after a few weeks
Half a year later and still no development for the 7T. It looks like we won't be getting it either? Even the OnePlus 8 Pro has more ROMs and kernels available.
geokilla said:
Half a year later and still no development for the 7T. It looks like we won't be getting it either? Even the OnePlus 8 Pro has more ROMs and kernels available.
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I guess you will need to buy a OnePlus 8 pro than.
Will this issue be fixed after Android 11 ota update?
I've been hearing rumours that Android 11 is gonna fix the partition issues, am I dumb for being hopeful? *crying inside*
derekhatake said:
I've been hearing rumours that Android 11 is gonna fix the partition issues, am I dumb for being hopeful? *crying inside*
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What partition issue?
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What partition issue?
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He probably mean that android 11 is going to fix keystore implementation in OOS (TWRP decryption issue)
Anyone can build pixel experience for op7t? I miss stock android feeling. I tried couple of ROMs. Aosip is the smoothest by far. Very high frame rate overall. Pixel experience in my opinion is best in term of polish stock feeling. Please devs help this project