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My Tbolt Car Mount Install Acura MDX

I just wanted to share my car install experience. Notice that I only used the holder portion of the mount, and I cannot swivel to landscape mode. This works for me since I already have built in Acura navigation, and I mainly use my Tbolt for streaming MOG radio which is portrait mode only. This install location works perfectly for lack of glare, cable placement, accessibility, and allows me to keep my focus on the road.
** note: I used an agressive mounting tape capable of holding up to 5lbs and dealing with high temperatures. This is available at Home Depot in the paint department for $4. I mounted the car holder directly to the fake black wood panel that has a glass finish gloss surface. PLEASE do-not blame me if you ruin the $95 panel should removal cause the fake wood to crack, etc.
1- The car mount is at Verizon stores & online part # HTC6400MNT for $29.
2- The micro USB port on the mount has two metal dimples that are evil and require WAY too much force to install & remove the Thunderbolt. I recommend using a single edge flat xacto blade to remove as much of the dimples as possible. Once removed the Thunderbolt slides on and off the mount properly.
3- ******* Before mounting!!! Attach the micro USB power cable & route the audio cable and choose a location that allows the mount to remain flat against the surface & gives the audio cable enough play to be connected & removed.
4- Prep both surfaces with alcohol to remove any surface contaminants.
5- Remove the double side adhesive mounting tape covering and carefully align and lightly press the mount on ONE tiny leading edge only... allowing you to slightly adjust alignment prior to fully pressing the mount into place. **It's strong adhesive and you only get one shot so be careful.
This process has worked perfectly for my needs, and the mount is rock solid. I have a full view of the screen from my seating position, easy reach to the display, and as much as I wish the micro USB port on the mount passed audio.. it's really not a big deal dealing with the audio plug.
I hope this helps and streaming 320Kbs from MOG's 10 million database of music over 4G is such a thrill. They currently have a major Android player bug but an update will release soon.

Wow.. looks good!

Dude MOG on Android has sucked since day 1. Hopefully they will get it straightened out one of these days, I gave up.
Nice job - looks very similar to mine except I went horizontal down by the AC controls (Explorer) and switched to the Google Car Home - it is sweet. I like the 90 degree cable - where is it from?

6 foot 3.5mm male to RCA male cable
I got very lucky and found this at Radio Shack... even the inept sales guy kept saying it didn't exist... then I located exactly what I needed on his rack It might be easier to find it online & get it shipped. If I can pull the package out of the trash I'll replay to this thread with the Radio Shack part number.
The clearance between the car mount plastic & the 3.5mm jack of the Thunderbolt is very tight. Fortunately this cable has a thinner section closer to the base of the metal jack allowing it to clear the plastic of the mount.
Re: MOG... yes I'm relaying email to their Android staff daily. Fingers crossed as the audio quality & features are much better than Pandora One.

boingboingbilly said:
Dude MOG on Android has sucked since day 1. Hopefully they will get it straightened out one of these days, I gave up.
Nice job - looks very similar to mine except I went horizontal down by the AC controls (Explorer) and switched to the Google Car Home - it is sweet. I like the 90 degree cable - where is it from?
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Google car home, is this the same as car dock home? I searched androlib and couldn't find it. Thanks

looks cool

esoteric1311 said:
Google car home, is this the same as car dock home? I searched androlib and couldn't find it. Thanks
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It's the one made by Google, it's the best - very customizable. You won't be able to find it via market on your phone since it is "incompatible" because of stupid sense. Just download the apk and side load via USB or dropbox. when you choose the car panel app it will prompt you for which app to use - choose the Google one and set to default. Then when you put the bolt in the dock, it will launch google car home.

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I got very lucky and found this at Radio Shack... even the inept sales guy kept saying it didn't exist... then I located exactly what I needed on his rack It might be easier to find it online & get it shipped. If I can pull the package out of the trash I'll replay to this thread with the Radio Shack part number.
The clearance between the car mount plastic & the 3.5mm jack of the Thunderbolt is very tight. Fortunately this cable has a thinner section closer to the base of the metal jack allowing it to clear the plastic of the mount.
Re: MOG... yes I'm relaying email to their Android staff daily. Fingers crossed as the audio quality & features are much better than Pandora One.
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Thanks I'll track one down. I have a regular coil cord but want to hide the aux cable like I did with the power cable. Plus it sticks out just enough to hit my knee - the 90 degree will do the trick though.

Radio Shack 3.5mm to RCA Cable
Goto their website & search for 42-492 and it should come up.

No matter what phone dock I get, I always adapt it to a vehicle specific mount. I hate suction cups and vent mounts

I have my set up nearly the same only in the left bottom corner of my windsheild... I long ago hard wired a dual cigarette charge port to the inside of my dash and have routed power to a couple differnet devices and places using standard car chargers and makes the install seemless...
The next step in my install is to find a 4 conductor 3.5mm male to 2 female 3.5mm adapter or make one myself (one mono and one stereo on the female ends) and hardwire that to a mic element I have and the rear aux input of my car stereo... hopefully this setup will yeild much better speech recognition and usable docked speakerphone calls without buying an expensive bluetooth setup.

nice looking setup

I'm thinking about getting this mount.... What's your thoughts OP? Can you charge the phone? Looks like the bracing covers the USB input.

Kudos for a job well done!

Definitely saving this thread. That's a genius idea. I'll be doing the same with my car soon I'm sure.
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Hi Guys,
Excuse my brief hijacking of the thread, but I feel this relates to the discussion.
I have recently released a new media player for Android, and the focus is on easy browsing, huge album art and a "no-look" playing screen that let's you control the functions with gestures. There is even an option to keep the screen on if connected to power. Works great in the car.
It's called simplePLAY, and you can see it running on my Thunderbolt here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9V8wKmI4YI
Sorry for the interruption.
Josh

[VZW] My vzw g-nex car dock review

So, on my way to work this morning I was in my car fiddling with my phone while driving. Yes, I know i'm not supposed to and it's dangerous! But god damnit i'm used to having a car dock. Its not my fault vzw decided to release this...how should I put it big piece of fecal matter into the market.
Okay so long story short, I almost got in an accident because i was trying to switch songs in google music but b/c i have no car dock, I had to look down. I've lived the past 2 years with my og droid with the car dock. I really wanted to wait for something better, cause honestly without the 3 pin function built into the dock, i didn't want to spend this money. But i finally gave in due to my safety, and the safety of others.
Now here is my review:
Ill start with the good.
-The dock is extremely sturdy. I think once the phone is put into the holder, it will honestly never come out as long as you've secured the base correctly.
-The material that surrounds the phone is very nice
-It's easy to move the phone while its in the dock. meaning lets say my passenger wants to have a look and fool around with the dock, she or he can easily just pop that screen facing his / her way and tighten the bolt.
-It fits with the extended battery
Now the bad:
-This one is obvious. No 3 pin connection????? WTF ARE YOU THINKING VERIZON.
-The phone takes FORCE to put into the dock, and I mean with both hands. I am so gentle with my g-nex usually.... its almost like im molesting it trying to get it in the dock.
-NO charge / audio out on the base of the dock. Again i say, WTF ARE YOU THINKING VERIZON
-The part of the dock that surrounds the 3.5mm audio out jack DOESNT FIT bigger cables. Meaning, if you spent extra money to buy a good 3.5mm cable thats thick, it probably wont fit. I have a belkin pure a/v 3.5mm cable and it does not fit. Most likely will only fit regular sized 3.5mm cables
-Because the dock material is kind of...like rubber i guess? When you forcefully slide the phone in(you have to) it makes me paranoid about the volume / power buttons. To me, it feels like over 100 slide-ins, the keys would probably get damaged because of the force you need to use and how tight the dock fits.
Honestly, if the dock just had the 3 pin connection for audio out / charge i would rate the dock 10/10 for that alone. But because it doesnt, im giving it a rating of 3/10. I bought a gnex for the sole purpose of utilizing those 3 pins so i dont have to plug **** in every damn time i get in and out of the car. But for now, it serves its purpose as purely a phone holder.

Can you confirm that a car dock app doesn't pop up automatically? I use Car Dashboard Pro.

I can confirm...since it is merely a place to put a phone with no automatic port to plug into it technically doesn't even know it is in a dock.
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I completely agree with your review--I ended up picking it up, strictly because I needed nav on a road trip...but still not happy about having to buy this thing.
Have you guys checked out the reviews for this thing on the Verizon site? All of the reviews are 1/5 or 2/5 stars (first review by yours truly)...yet somehow the overall rating is 5/5. Verizon should learn how to cheat at product ratings less obviously...
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...ryDetails&archetypeId=12924&accessoryId=49882

|?| Speaker Dock - (any android)

I have a 2nd gen iPod Touch that i just cant stand any more and I have a JBL OnBeat that I can play my OgEvo through. With no way to charge it becomes a problem. Is there any android docks out there besides the Philips ones? With android being out for some time now why is there not a market for docks that are android specific? Please dont link me to some hack and slash job that somebody modded an iDock to work with android.
Thanks

Probably because the phones are all different shapes and sizes so no manufacturer wants to waste money on making them..
It could be done though.. with the right plastic inserts... kinda like a modular design type thing..
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Wordlywisewiz said:
Probably because the phones are all different shapes and sizes so no manufacturer wants to waste money on making them..
It could be done though.. with the right plastic inserts... kinda like a modular design type thing..
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wouldnt need any plastic inserts, the part that would hold the phone would just need to be spring loaded and able to turn 90 degrees to support phones with the charger on the side not the bottom. I figured out a way to hack and slash the JBL unit i have as it has a usb port on the rear and a 3mm audio in on the rear. Just would rather buy a unit for android.

http://the-gadgeteer.com/2012/11/13/gdock-speaker-dock-made-for-samsung-galaxy-devices/

Android really does need a good dock..
Would be a great kick starter project..
But I believe wireless charging plus NFC and Bluetooth dock would be much simpler for all devices to be able to use in the future..
So just lay your device anywhere on the surface it starts charging and NFC pairs the 2 via Bluetooth and plays music
Nexus dock Google common do it!
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http://the-gadgeteer.com/2012/11/13/gdock-speaker-dock-made-for-samsung-galaxy-devices/
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looks like a great dock, Ill add it to my christmas wish list.

Samsung Desktop Dock for $16.00

At Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CLW1P5O/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Automatically puts your handset into a customizable desktop mode, arranging your phone's key features for more convenient use when doc
Your phone is fully functional while charging in the Multimedia Dock. Watch your handset stream news, local weather, or just play with your apps while charging!
Functions whether or not the Flip Cover or Protective Cover is installed
Compatible With Samsung Galaxy S4, Galaxy S3, Note 2, and Galaxy Nexus mobile phones
3.5mm Stereo Connector Port for connecting to external speakers

schneid said:
At Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CLW1P5O/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Automatically puts your handset into a customizable desktop mode, arranging your phone's key features for more convenient use when doc
Your phone is fully functional while charging in the Multimedia Dock. Watch your handset stream news, local weather, or just play with your apps while charging!
Functions whether or not the Flip Cover or Protective Cover is installed
Compatible With Samsung Galaxy S4, Galaxy S3, Note 2, and Galaxy Nexus mobile phones
3.5mm Stereo Connector Port for connecting to external speakers
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will this fit with an extended battery? If not, does someone know a dock which does?

sambahb said:
will this fit with an extended battery? If not, does someone know a dock which does?
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Don't know but I'll tell you when I get mine. The pictures look like there is some wiggle room. Enough for me to give it a shot.

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Don't know but I'll tell you when I get mine. The pictures look like there is some wiggle room. Enough for me to give it a shot.
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It does not fit my official extended battery cover with Diztronic cover. Thickness is not an issue but the male USB plug is too short to reach the jack. You all can have fun with that statement.

Any more updates on this dock?
I'm looking for something that will charge and put my phone into dock mode. I have a blue tooth connected speaker that I can play music out too.
Ideally I would prefer if the doc was horizontal so that I could watch video on it as well, but I haven't seen much available like that.

Dock
I'm interested in some updates on this as well. However I'd assume from seeing the low rating on Amazon that this isn't that good.

Who's Interested in a Auto Dock?

I'm designing a dock for the N7v2 for use in a car. It will have Qi wireless charging and Bluetooth audio receiver, with a standard 3.5mm audio output. It should be compatible with most cases.
I am also currently designing a mounting method that should be close to universal between different cars, and should not fall off like most other docks in the market.
I designed one for the N7v1 using the Pogo pins, and I can never go back to not having a dock for my tablet in my car. It's amazing the difference it made for me.
I want to know a couple things.Please reply with the following template:
1. Would you want a dock like this?
2. How much do you expect to pay for it?
Thank you everyone, in advance!

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I'm designing a dock for the N7v2 for use in a car. It will have Qi wireless charging and Bluetooth audio receiver. It should be compatible with most cases.
I am also currently designing a mounting method that should be close to universal between different cars, and should not fall off like most other docks in the market.
I designed one for the N7v1 using the Pogo pins, and I can never go back to not having a dock for my tablet in my car. It's amazing the difference it made for me.
I want to know a couple things.Please reply with the following template:
1. Would you want a dock like this?
2. How much do you expect to pay for it?
Thank you everyone, in advance!
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Sounds like a great idea. Do you have any links showing your work with N7v1? Heck, I may be interested in that version since the v1 tablet can be had for cheap these days and is more than capable for the limited functions needed in a car. At any rate:
1. yes, would be interested
2. no idea what a fair price would be, but $50-$100 seems like a fair ballpark

I would think very carefully why you need a wireless charger in a car.
Heat kills batteries; tablets in cars get hot. Why add heat to your woes?
The tablet is likely to be busy playing music and navigating, often in full sunlight. Why add to the heating problems by using a wireless charger when a 5v cord charger attached to the car supply will do the trick?
The wireless car mount/charger iterations for the Nexus 4 were a failure, I recall.

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Sounds like a great idea. Do you have any links showing your work with N7v1? Heck, I may be interested in that version since the v1 tablet can be had for cheap these days and is more than capable for the limited functions needed in a car. At any rate:
1. yes, would be interested
2. no idea what a fair price would be, but $50-$100 seems like a fair ballpark
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I've attached 4 pictures of the dock I made for the first Nexus 7. You'll notice that it inst exactly a dock you can put in just any car. I realized I made a little too rugged... and big!

croques said:
I would think very carefully why you need a wireless charger in a car.
Heat kills batteries; tablets in cars get hot. Why add heat to your woes?
The tablet is likely to be busy playing music and navigating, often in full sunlight. Why add to the heating problems by using a wireless charger when a 5v cord charger attached to the car supply will do the trick?
The wireless car mount/charger iterations for the Nexus 4 were a failure, I recall.
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Well, that's why I don't leave the tablet in the car, I keep it with me. While I'm in the car, if it's hot out I will have the A/C on anyways, so heat has not been an issue.
Most of my broken devices are dead because the USB port broke because of wear and tear. One of the points of this dock is to reduce that. Plugging in a device everytime I get in the car is partly to blame for such failures. I would have used Pogo Pins, like with the first Nexus 7, but they don't exist on the second.

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lorddralnu said:
Most of my broken devices are dead because the USB port broke because of wear and tear. One of the points of this dock is to reduce that.
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Look at active Brodit car mounts - say for a Nexus 4. There the device is supported and aligned as it glides onto or off the USB. There is no possibility of twisting or yawing.
I think your proposal maybe over-kill - simplest solutions are always best IMHO. A guy in the Nexus 4 forum came to no good end and had a lot of unhappy 'subscribers'. Just saying.

croques said:
Look at active Brodit car mounts - say for a Nexus 4. There the device is supported and aligned as it glides onto or off the USB. There is no possibility of twisting or yawing.
I think your proposal maybe over-kill - simplest solutions are always best IMHO. A guy in the Nexus 4 forum came to no good end and had a lot of unhappy 'subscribers'. Just saying.
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I would normally agree. I was hoping to make one that doesnt require a case to be removed to use. I designed my previous dock the way you describe (except it used the Pogo pins on the side), but I always had to remove the case and eventually the first case was showing signs of damage from being removed so often.
My hope is that the base platform of the dock I want to build will be compatible with multiple models of smartphones and tablets that are Qi capable. That'll require a lot more planning, but may be worth it.

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My hope is that the base platform of the dock I want to build will be compatible with multiple models of smartphones and tablets that are Qi capable. That'll require a lot more planning, but may be worth it.
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Well if you're set on the route you've described; ... I see you've picked up on the Peltier pump in another thread. Credit me somewhere if you make it!
But I might consider an approach made by Philips in an Android Bluetooth Speaker and dock. The adjustment for USB and its placement on an edge, plus 180 degree rotation needed for some models, was catered for physically. A much cheaper approach which copes with tablets and phones!

croques said:
Well if you're set on the route you've described; ... I see you've picked up on the Peltier pump in another thread. Credit me somewhere if you make it!
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I think I will use a Peltier pump. And yes, I'll make sure you get credit for that idea I'll mount the transmitting coil onto the cold side (probably with a layer of copper in between, we'll try several things) and have the hot side of the pump mounted to the aluminum/sheet metal of the back plate (probably with thermal paste as well). I'll have the pump on a simple thermostat. Good thing I have an EE helping me with this project
Hopefully the final product won't need a Peltier pump, but I will definitely have it in the prototype.
croques said:
But I might consider an approach made by Philips in an Android Bluetooth Speaker and dock. The adjustment for USB and its placement on an edge, plus 180 degree rotation needed for some models, was catered for physically. A much cheaper approach which copes with tablets and phones!
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I haven't had very good experiences with using that type of dock The results of daily use tend to be USB ports that are stretched and loose. At least that's how it has been in my experience.

lorddralnu said:
I'll mount the transmitting coil onto the cold side (probably with a layer of copper in between, we'll try several things) and have the hot side of the pump mounted to the aluminum/sheet metal of the back plate (probably with thermal paste as well). I'll have the pump on a simple thermostat. Good thing I have an EE helping me with this project
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Don't forget to talk to your EE about eddy current loses in any conductors (copper, aluminium) you have nearby to your induction coil.

Interesting read, but with the cooler this is going to be a very expensive dock. Without it, look to Canada for your market.
I rigged up one for my Nexus 4 last Winter. Based on some testing, I used the most efficient charger I could find for that phone (the LG wcp-700). It worked very well... until late spring when the mercury broke 70. To make a long story short, I pulled it last month as the phone was getting too hot. This in a suv with a 4 liter v6 with plenty of air conditioning, front and rear.
Without the cooler, the tablet needs to be located directly in front of a vent, or even in moderate climates the unit will get hot enough to significantly reduce charging current.
One more thing to consider... the Nexus 7 is polarized vertically. This means that it is invisible in landscape orientation for anyone wearing polarized driving glasses, which I am willing to bet is a large percentage of your prospective market (tech savvy, auto enthusiasts). Most displays designed for vehicles are polarized at 45°, making this not such an issue.
While the tinkerer, software developer, and electronic geek in me wanted a fully integrated tablet in my truck, I soon came to the conclusion that it was simply not practical. What is really needed is a properly done appRadio, where a head unit can mirror the display of a mobile device (ideally wirelessly - miracast, etc.) with a control link set up to pass touches on the head unit back to the mobile device. We're about 30% there now, but a lack of standards, and major players wanting proprietary solutions is a problem.
I wish you much success with your endeavor, but just wanted to share my experience and feelings that this will not be all that marketable a product.

The problems you had with the nexus 4 does not necessarily effect the nexus 7. The nexus 4 was pretty terrible at wireless charging. I had a car setup with a qi charger with the lumia 920 and it worked great even in hot weather. I am not saying the nexus 7 will work, but it might.
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The nexus 4 was pretty terrible at wireless charging.
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What makes you say that? I ask as I have seen relatively similar performance with both the N7 and N4. The tricky thing about the N4 is that the coil is not centered in the vertical dimension, so for folks making the assumption that it is, there will be quite a bit of offset.

Solutions Etcetera said:
What makes you say that? I ask as I have seen relatively similar performance with both the N7 and N4. The tricky thing about the N4 is that the coil is not centered in the vertical dimension, so for folks making the assumption that it is, there will be quite a bit of offset.
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I say that because of all the issues people had with car docks. It also had issues with the dt-900 qi chargers when it shouldn't have. It heated up excessively with most chargers.

I wonder if there will be an Official dock that lets you:
1. Charge
2. Expand TV HDMI out
3. USB port for Hard drive access
I really want the Nexus & FHD to be a Home entertainment player...may be a remote/ Or Kinect like gesture control app built in with the dock
Hope this comes true...it will be the best Combo for a home unit!