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Advantage of 1GB ROM over 512MB ROM?

In the current lineup of Windows Phone 7s, some phones have 512MB ROM while others have 1GB ROM. In Blackberries, Androids and Pres, this would mean the 1GB phones have double the storage space for apps because apps can only be installed on ROM memory (though Android now allows Apps2SD).
But in Windows Phone 7, I thought the OS created a single volume of the ROM + other memory (Flash or SD), meaning the apps can be installed anywhere. If the ROM only stores the OS and at max 60MB of pre-installed apps, what's the advantage of having 1GB ROM?

Haven't heard of any max. So no worries.

My guess is that if any updates require a good bit more space, only those phones will get it, like how the G1 was left out for not having enough ROM.

ckacey said:
My guess is that if any updates require a good bit more space, only those phones will get it, like how the G1 was left out for not having enough ROM.
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Though with that said I don't think Microsoft will be looking to make that mistake anytime soon.

The G1's issue was compounded by the fact that Android < 2.2 does not support installing applications to SD card. Windows Mobile devices didn't have all that much trouble getting upgrades from 5.0 to 6/6 to 6.1/6.1 to 6.5 with small ROMs because users could just install their applications to the SD Card (and Sync their media there as well).
Android didn't, so even if the OS could barely fit into the ROM, it would make the phone borderline unusable since unless it was an upgrade to 2.2 the applications and data/cache files woulnd't have anywhere to fit.
The HD2 came with a 1GB ROM/576 MB RAM for the US Market.
I personally hope that when Samsung releases the Vibrant FroYo, that it allows installing apps to the INTERNAL SD card, because I do not like installing apps to removeable media - personally.

I'm kinda sad to see the HD7 has half the ROM of the HD2, but sense and the tmobile crapware were probably taking loads of space there

Unless 512MB is all Microsoft needs for future updates + OS..
SO unless their plan is to release attractive phones to get people into buying them and getting used to the OS while only releasing Updates with Needed Features and Several Bug fixes so in the end the ROM is filled with Updates then they use the excuse that it won't support the next Step up since theres not enough space...
Just like Android in Some Cases...
It sounded better in my head

hakuchi18v said:
Unless 512MB is all Microsoft needs for future updates + OS..
SO unless their plan is to release attractive phones to get people into buying them and getting used to the OS while only releasing Updates with Needed Features and Several Bug fixes so in the end the ROM is filled with Updates then they use the excuse that it won't support the next Step up since theres not enough space...
Just like Android in Some Cases...
It sounded better in my head
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hmm That way you'd have to get a new phone for WP8. I've read that it is in the plan phase already

I don't think the phone OS will get any ware near that and so I don't think 1gb would be needed.

By the time WP8 is ready we'll all be ready for new phones anyway, unless it is ready before 2 years is up. But if they do it like Vista and W7 and leave a bit of breathing room, we'll be fine. If they pull an iPhone and WP8 is out next year, it'd best work on WP7 launch devices too, and be pushed through Zune. A $5 fee wouldn't be offensive if this time next year WP8 is ready.

I think that there seem to be some confusion about the term "ROM".
ROM stands for Read Only Memory, if it's a read only memory you have to erase the whole memory if you want to add something to it (i.e. flashing the device). If it's real ROM, you can't use it for apps, no matter what platform you're using.
Now I've heard somewhere that WP7 can mirror data on a smaller, but faster internal storage for fast access. If that is the case, and the 1GB isn't really a ROM, it could be used to mirror things of the Storage for fast access.

Sir. Haxalot said:
I think that there seem to be some confusion about the term "ROM".
ROM stands for Read Only Memory, if it's a read only memory you have to erase the whole memory if you want to add something to it (i.e. flashing the device). If it's real ROM, you can't use it for apps, no matter what platform you're using.
Now I've heard somewhere that WP7 can mirror data on a smaller, but faster internal storage for fast access. If that is the case, and the 1GB isn't really a ROM, it could be used to mirror things of the Storage for fast access.
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ROM is a misnomer but it's what OEMs refer to when talking about application memory. You do not need to erase the whole memory to add something new. The ROM space is meant to be changed infrequently.
I see two reasons why some WP7s have 1GB ROMs: (1) WP7 does install apps to the ROM for speed reasons; this means WP7 will be very limited in app size and some app developers will not create large, quality apps for WP7. (2) The phones with 1GB will also be Android phones, which by default install to ROM.

I still have not found an answer as to what's the advantage of having 1 GB of ROM on WP7.
I'm still guessing that like Android's Apps2SD, WP7 is writing only the apps' necessary files to the ROM and storing the rest of the app on the internal/SD memory.

I'm fairly sure that I'm right in saying that WP7 doesn't see a difference between the internal ROM and the Expanded storage (be it Nand or SD Card) as it stripes the two in a Raid type array. So it sees it all as one contiguous drive. I would imagine that the original OS image will be stored on part of the ROM, and when it's initially set up, or hard reset etc... then it will deploy the image onto the striped array?
So I don't think the size of the ROM will make any difference in terms of updates, applications etc... I'd be shocked if MS had set it up so that they wouldn't be able to deploy updates etc... due to storage constraints - that said, stranger things have happened!

"...writing only the apps' necessary files to the ROM..."
Am I the only one spotting the mistake here?
ROM stands for Read Only Memory. You cannot write to ROM.
There are types of ROM that can be rewritten via special processes, such as EEPROM (Electrically Erasable Programmable ROM).
But apps cannot write to ROM.

Jim Coleman said:
"...writing only the apps' necessary files to the ROM..."
Am I the only one spotting the mistake here?
ROM stands for Read Only Memory. You cannot write to ROM.
There are types of ROM that can be rewritten via special processes, such as EEPROM (Electrically Erasable Programmable ROM).
But apps cannot write to ROM.
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You are wrong; please refer to my post near the top of this page.
Take the HTC Droid Incredible for instance: it has 512MB ROM, 8GB internal Flash and up to 32GB SD. The OS and all applications are installed to the ROM. The OS takes up a lot of that space and you're left with very little room for apps. You can install and delete apps from the ROM as many times as you want.

Here's an interesting fact that makes the question even more intriguing: The HTC HD7 (512MB ROM) with 16GB memory and the Samsung Focus (1GB ROM) with 16GB memory (8GB embedded + 8GB SD) have the same amount of total storage--14.5 to 14.6GB. The few MB difference is likely from different pre installed apps (limit of 60MB pre installed).
This likely means that WP7 does not count ROM as part of the phone's storage. So why would Samsung put more ROM than needed on the Focus?

Pete2s said:
This likely means that WP7 does not count ROM as part of the phone's storage. So why would Samsung put more ROM than needed on the Focus?
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And that is the question that baffles here...

Still haven't figured it out.

Jim Coleman said:
"...writing only the apps' necessary files to the ROM..."
Am I the only one spotting the mistake here?
ROM stands for Read Only Memory. You cannot write to ROM.
There are types of ROM that can be rewritten via special processes, such as EEPROM (Electrically Erasable Programmable ROM).
But apps cannot write to ROM.
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That's not necessarily a typo. ROM chips are updated with software all the time and lots of people just say ROM because it's shorter, more convenient, adn it's what they're used to.
Lots of people said RAM even when there were SDRAM, RAMBUS, EEC-RAM, DRAM, etc. floating out there. It's just habit, and it doesn't necessarily destroy the accuracy or technical merits of the text.

Will phone manufacturers even listen and get it right ?

Hi
this is basically going to be a rant and rave but hopefully a constuctive one
For years i have had smartphones, mainly WM but have strayed to Symbian once and now Android with the Desire
I remember upgrading from the TYTN to the TYTNII and HTC not supplying the drivers we had no proper divx playback and this continued onto the Touch HD which is pretty much why i dediced to go to Android.
Now i have the Desire which i must admit is a very good phone but the storage spce is laughable even with Froyo update which helps a bit it's pathetic
Now i cant wholly blame HTC for this as it's the Android OS that is causing the issue but having more Internal Memory would help.
Strange that the reason for Android not having all data on the sd was to help with piracy and i must admit i have been very conciencous through the years and always bought what i used but now googles policy is forcing me the other way, why pay for apps that i have to uninstall so i can install something else.
Windows Mobile has allowed SD card installs since my first 2003 device, Android has taken a massive step back in my opinion. So much for the 1000's of apps on the android market, it does not say you can only browse them but dont install many as your phone will grind to a halt.
so not so long ago i thought i would get rid of the desire and try another android device only with more internal mem.
i looked at the X10 , looks a good phone but it's still on 1.6 and the promised updates are still just promises.
the Galaxy s looks excellent and has loads of space but it looking around it seems to have quite a few issues with lagging and the GPS issues.
So i thought about looking at the Desire HD but i have problems with the Battery life on the Desire and as the HD battery is smaller there is no way i could live with it.
It seems as if the Maunfacturers are just happy to churn these things out without too much thought , maybe it's cause they always want us to upgrade but just think if one actually made a phone that does what is is supposed to do and do them well they may end up with making a killing.
Rant mode over apart from now that i dont use sense i still cant find a 4x4 rss widget

machmandp said:
Hi
this is basically going to be a rant and rave but hopefully a constuctive one
For years i have had smartphones, mainly WM but have strayed to Symbian once and now Android with the Desire
I remember upgrading from the TYTN to the TYTNII and HTC not supplying the drivers we had no proper divx playback and this continued onto the Touch HD which is pretty much why i dediced to go to Android.
Now i have the Desire which i must admit is a very good phone but the storage spce is laughable even with Froyo update which helps a bit it's pathetic
Now i cant wholly blame HTC for this as it's the Android OS that is causing the issue but having more Internal Memory would help.
Strange that the reason for Android not having all data on the sd was to help with piracy and i must admit i have been very conciencous through the years and always bought what i used but now googles policy is forcing me the other way, why pay for apps that i have to uninstall so i can install something else.
Windows Mobile has allowed SD card installs since my first 2003 device, Android has taken a massive step back in my opinion. So much for the 1000's of apps on the android market, it does not say you can only browse them but dont install many as your phone will grind to a halt.
so not so long ago i thought i would get rid of the desire and try another android device only with more internal mem.
i looked at the X10 , looks a good phone but it's still on 1.6 and the promised updates are still just promises.
the Galaxy s looks excellent and has loads of space but it looking around it seems to have quite a few issues with lagging and the GPS issues.
So i thought about looking at the Desire HD but i have problems with the Battery life on the Desire and as the HD battery is smaller there is no way i could live with it.
It seems as if the Maunfacturers are just happy to churn these things out without too much thought , maybe it's cause they always want us to upgrade but just think if one actually made a phone that does what is is supposed to do and do them well they may end up with making a killing.
Rant mode over apart from now that i dont use sense i still cant find a 4x4 rss widget
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FYI, the battery is smaller on the desire HD because the 2nd generation snapdragon it has, has much improved battery performance so its not needed

sigh...here we go again...root your device, root your device
you are willing to go as far as buying a new handset?? but your not willing to root?
root your device, install A2SD+ and SD speed fix and you will never look back, it runs flawless
if you cant be bothered learning how, ask someone to do it for you
Tech magazines are choosing the HTC desire as phone as the year as one of the most balanced android phones available
issues like app storage, music/video stutter (due to slow SD read) and even gaming performance can be fixed or improved by rooting your device

hamdir said:
sigh...here we go again...root your device, root your device
you are willing to go as far as buying a new handset?? but your not willing to root?
root your device, install A2SD+ and SD speed fix and you will never look back, it runs flawless
if you cant be bothered learning how, ask someone to do it for you
Tech magazines are choosing the HTC desire as phone as the year as one of the most balanced android phones available
issues like app storage, music/video stutter (due to slow SD read) and even gaming performance can be fixed or improved by rooting your device
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The point is you shouldn't HAVE to root your Desire. Look at the Desire HD - 1.5GB of internal space. HTC realised they made a mistake and have now corrected this.
Just cause A2SD is available if you root some people don't WANT to root as it's shouldn't have been needed. For some warranty is actually important

hi again
I dont want to start arguments but as EddyOS wrote why should we have to root ?
to get the desire running well you have to invalidate the warranty does not sound too good.
anyhow i am rooted and use the Move2SDEnabler to move as many apps as possible but kept the stock rom as no orange rom is available as yet in case of warranty issues.
but some cannot be moved and i have 22mb free
a brief list of some of the app sizes i have
Google Maps 8.81mb
Swype 6.03mb
paypal 4.79mb
Ndrive 4.39mb
Gmail 4.1mb
Folder Org 3.88mb
launcher Pro 3.73mb
titanium Backup 2.88mb
Moblox 2.88
beautiful widgets 2.11mb
angry birds 1.92mb
just with these thats 45mb i obviously have more apps installed but as each one takes up anywhere from a few k to 2 mb then how are we expected to be able to install a good amount apps
can i do without any of the above maybe but the point is why should i have to - i purchased them and dont forget the main advertising points about Android are the Market and Customising the Launcher with Widgets.
And as regards to the desire having been chosen as the best phone i wonder how many of the reviewers actually use the phone daily or is it based on a few days usage.
I was under the impression that how i use Froyo Apps2SD was pretty much the same as Apps2SD+ but if you now different then please point me in the right direction
Thanks

A2SD in FroYo only moves the app itself and not the data accociated with it. This only works on apps that have been enabled by the developer to be moved. A2SD+ differs by actually using the EXT3 partition on the SD card as internal memory so all the app data is stored on the SD card (bar some data which has to remain on the device).
HTC have since addressed things with their new handsets by giving them a LOT more internal memory so this should be a thing of the past BUT it doesn't help Desire owners who, like you, can't root as there isn't a stock RUU to revert to for warranty issues (which is a whole different matter and why I only get generic handsets). The only way to incrase memory is to root

machmandp said:
i am rooted and use the Move2SDEnabler to move as many apps as possible but kept the stock rom as no orange rom is available as yet in case of warranty issues.
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You already have a 'void' warranty because you have root, you may aswell go the whole 9 yards and flash a custom rom. just make a nandroid backup of your current rom so you can go back to it if the worst happens.
Having a void warranty never stopped orange from swapping my phone.
I do agree that you shouldn't have to root your phone to make it work, but that's just the way it is

EddyOS said:
A2SD in FroYo only moves the app itself and not the data accociated with it. This only works on apps that have been enabled by the developer to be moved. A2SD+ differs by actually using the EXT3 partition on the SD card as internal memory so all the app data is stored on the SD card (bar some data which has to remain on the device).
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Not entirely correct!
If you ModInstallLocation (which does not require root) you can force most apps to move to SD with FROYO A2SD - as far as I'm aware the exceptions to this have explicity disallowed this.
The main difference between FROYO A2SD and A2SD+ is that A2SD+ relocates the Dalvik cache to SD. Both methods leave /data/data on the device which in the case of some apps (e.g. Google Earth) can be quite substantial.
Personally I use FROYO A2SD, but I've repartitioned to reclaim space from /system and I use Fusecompress to compression the Dalvik cache.
To the OP, you can argue that this is an Android OS issue, but in my opinion this was always an issue with poorly specified hardware rather than the Oscar itself.
My Galaxy Tab has 2GB set aside for applications and the Desire Z/HD have 1.5GB, which rather renders any form of A2SD obsolete.
Regards,
Dave

Well,if you manage to break your phone somehow make sure you break it badly enough for rendering them unable to detect if you have it rooted!

mercianary said:
You already have a 'void' warranty because you have root, you may aswell go the whole 9 yards and flash a custom rom. just make a nandroid backup of your current rom so you can go back to it if the worst happens.
Having a void warranty never stopped orange from swapping my phone.
I do agree that you shouldn't have to root your phone to make it work, but that's just the way it is
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But you can remove the root right?
Because my Desire started up with the "rebootloop by itself" issue a month ago while I had LeeDroid 2.2x running, and so I removed root by installing a RUU and then sent it away for service like yesterday.
And then they can't void the warranty then right? RIGHT??? :S

Yes but the point is that Orange (the OPs operator) don't have an RUU so you can't do that

EddyOS said:
Yes but the point is that Orange (the OPs operator) don't have an RUU so you can't do that
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Oh, didn't think about that at all.
Hmm, well then he does have some valid complaints. My biggest problem with the unrooted Desire is the internal memory, and I certainly didn't have any idea how small it was prior to purchase and just took for granted that you could store apps on the SD.

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Yes but the point is that Orange (the OPs operator) don't have an RUU so you can't do that
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Yep that's a big problem for me
As i said i have root but i thought (right or wrong) that if i ever have a problem there is more chance of the service centre not spotting anything if i still have the stock orange rom.
Also when i looked into flashing roms i'm sure that there was an issue with the Orange radio that caused massive problems and that really put me off from doing that.
I must admit i now have 19mb free and have had to delete some apps today after installing the flash update (Another 10mb) and it seems that updates are slowly eating all of the memory and surely HTC must have known this was going to be a problem.
Still i'll now try to look into maybe flashing a rom with APPS2SD+ and see if it's ok to do. i'll also hope for an Orange RUU to be leaked soon
Thanks all

This is what I'd do...
Remove all apps from the phone (uninstall them). And then reboot into recovery. Do a backup so you can revert back to it should you need to send it in (they may not realise you're rooted) but then you can go to a custom ROM using A2SD+ and see how you get on

EddyOS said:
This is what I'd do...
Remove all apps from the phone (uninstall them). And then reboot into recovery. Do a backup so you can revert back to it should you need to send it in (they may not realise you're rooted) but then you can go to a custom ROM using A2SD+ and see how you get on
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thanks
sounds like my only choice to avoid the low space
just need to double check the Orange radio thing first
Thanks all

The newer radios should work OK, if not you can use the radio you're on at present assuming you're on Android 2.2 at the moment (albeit the Orange version) - flashing a custom won't touch the radio unless it's included in the ROM file

The radio hasn't been a problem for a while. The newer radios wont lock your device.
My first orange desire was locked by a radio update. I had to fix it with an unlock code.
My second orange desire (warranty replacement) was not locked when I flashed the most recent radio.

Excellent thanks
One more quick question if I may
In your experience would I be better getting a fast mem card as I only have class 2 at the moment
Sent from my HTC Desire

I use a class 2 16GB card and have no issues

hi
well i finally got round to flashing a new rom
went for the leedroid in the end with A2SD+
I had a few issues but read up and worked around them although i read about a gold card but never created one so i hope i'm not setting myself up for a fall without it.
anyhow i'm glad i did it with loads of apps installed i still have 85mb free and nowhere near filled up my 1gb ext3 partition
thanks for the advice all

[Q] [MiUi] First thoughts and some questions about miui

So after having gotten my first GS2 back in mid-april and having only rooted it three days later... I decided on BlueKuban ICS since it was very easy to set up and use (as a completely new android noob)
Anywho, I'm feeling frisky! (And want to be able to easily theme my ROMs / Install other peoples themes) And have since started using miui 2.6.15 ICS.
Some things I noticed off the bat:
-SD Card / Internal HD issues:
I of course made to sure to follow the installation instructions to the (T). Flashed External.zip after flashing the rom..... But there's now internal storage showing less then 3gigs total space...... then the internal storage with ~11gigs (which is the normal SG2's HD space) then even though its still labled as "internal storage" there's my 32gig SD card.
This is not helping my OCD ._. Is this a known issue with miui due to the way it is installed?
-Lockscreen widgit:
I love it! Except I uninstalled alot of stuff I don't want to use like the default Messaging app and the muui music app. Now on the lockscreen going to the message or music icon fails to launch a program (Well I understand why......)
My question: Is there a way to tinker with it to launch the programs I want it to? (Gvoice for messaging and DoubleTwist for music.)
-Themes
I've looked @ the in-phone browser for them.... but was wondering, is there a proper US/English forum/thread/sticky where I could find some themes? ^_^ Google helped me peruse some deviant art posts, but not a designiated list as I was looking for.
Well sorry to rabble on, was going to blurb just my two main questions on the actual MiUI Dev Thread however am still under the 10 post limit (And their Epic 4G Touch thread is very.... well empty )

Hiya!
In terms of SD issues ... they have always been a problem because we don't have kernel source. The devs working on MIUI have found work arounds that at least get apps on the phone to start recognizing files on the SD (pictures, videos, music, etc) but bugs are gonna be there until kernel source is available to iron them out.
In terms of the MIUI lockscreen, these things are coded into the theme. Last time I checked, if you look through the MIUI theme files, there should be a .xml that *might* allow you to change what the lockscreen "buttons" lead to. However AFAIK you cannot change it any other way. (I may be wrong)
Themes can be found around the English MIUI forums. I never tried them though but they're there. Make sure the theme you're looking at is for ICS versions of MIUI otherwise it may/may not work.
That's all I've got for now, I hope this helped. MIUI is truly a great ROM, just a bit hard to get down straight >_>

[Q] New owner. Camera mod? Compass? etc.

Hi,
I got my HTC One V a few days ago, but I will not hold it in hands before end of month. Still, I would like to prepare already, so I have a few questions.
* there is a camera mod for the HTC One X. Can this be applied to the One V as well? If not, are there any developments going on? Basically they turn of compression, afaik.
* I heard there is no compass? Damn, if so! I really had hoped, that it has all the basics, just not in the top hardware category. Can this be substituted? I mean, it has GPS, so it should be able to show N,S,E,W?
* What are good mods? Total conversions, even. Are there high capability mods, that keep Sense? I am not interested in mods, that add themes and stuff like that. I am interested in mods, that go deep technical, enhancing battery-life, freeing up flash memory, etc.
* Is it true, that there is close to no memory for installation of additional programs and one has to use an external SD card for most?
* I want to use the same data carrier SD cards on my Macbook and my Android. Things like MP3 and videos do not need to fill valuable notebook harddisk space. And this way I can exchange the cards and use them on both systems. What about filesystem? My Mac can read/write exFAT, NTFS, but no Linux filesystems. I have read, that reformatting an SD card is *not* good, since the error correction has been set up for the filesystem on it by the manufacturer. So, ideally, I'd get exFAT formatted SD cards. Can Android read/write them? If not, what do I need? Any mods?
That's it Hope you can help. Thanks!
Andreas

zmix said:
Hi,
I got my HTC One V a few days ago, but I will not hold it in hands before end of month. Still, I would like to prepare already, so I have a few questions.
* there is a camera mod for the HTC One X. Can this be applied to the One V as well? If not, are there any developments going on? Basically they turn of compression, afaik.
* I heard there is no compass? Damn, if so! I really had hoped, that it has all the basics, just not in the top hardware category. Can this be substituted? I mean, it has GPS, so it should be able to show N,S,E,W?
* What are good mods? Total conversions, even. Are there high capability mods, that keep Sense? I am not interested in mods, that add themes and stuff like that. I am interested in mods, that go deep technical, enhancing battery-life, freeing up flash memory, etc.
* Is it true, that there is close to no memory for installation of additional programs and one has to use an external SD card for most?
* I want to use the same data carrier SD cards on my Macbook and my Android. Things like MP3 and videos do not need to fill valuable notebook harddisk space. And this way I can exchange the cards and use them on both systems. What about filesystem? My Mac can read/write exFAT, NTFS, but no Linux filesystems. I have read, that reformatting an SD card is *not* good, since the error correction has been set up for the filesystem on it by the manufacturer. So, ideally, I'd get exFAT formatted SD cards. Can Android read/write them? If not, what do I need? Any mods?
That's it Hope you can help. Thanks!
Andreas
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From the beggining then, if you need them in native language PM me
-Camera mod - not known as of now afaik.
- Yes, there is no compass (for why, don't ask) but there is gps, but isn't that precise, and you need to move for it.
-Because the phone is new, there really not much mods available. The phone didn't get the full sense 4.0 (just a lite version). There are CM9 advancements, which will be particulary good if you ask me, the development for now is at the stock enhancig, for the use of vanilla, but full sense is on way too. Battery life for me is at 3-4 days, with wifi on all the time, and mobile net for ~2-3hrs per day. (yes, stock)
-There is 1 gig for apps, so I don't think it is that much of a problem.
-Android can read exFAT at the SD (and requires it afaik), but when you change the SD there will be no signal for wifi and gsm (antennas on the backplate which is needed for SD change).
As far as I know mac can read/write the basic lixus fs-s (ext 2,3,4) but if not, there is a mod for it, but you don't need that, given the fact android uses the SD card as exFat.

Ken-Shi_Kun said:
From the beggining then, if you need them in native language PM me
-Camera mod - not known as of now afaik.
- Yes, there is no compass (for why, don't ask) but there is gps, but isn't that precise, and you need to move for it.
-Because the phone is new, there really not much mods available. The phone didn't get the full sense 4.0 (just a lite version). There are CM9 advancements, which will be particulary good if you ask me, the development for now is at the stock enhancig, for the use of vanilla, but full sense is on way too. Battery life for me is at 3-4 days, with wifi on all the time, and mobile net for ~2-3hrs per day. (yes, stock)
-There is 1 gig for apps, so I don't think it is that much of a problem.
-Android can read exFAT at the SD (and requires it afaik), but when you change the SD there will be no signal for wifi and gsm (antennas on the backplate which is needed for SD change).
As far as I know mac can read/write the basic lixus fs-s (ext 2,3,4) but if not, there is a mod for it, but you don't need that, given the fact android uses the SD card as exFat.
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excuse me??? is that all the deving thats going on right now? Stock enhancing........ there is also a useable CM9 alpha

Lloir said:
excuse me??? is that all the deving thats going on right now? Stock enhancing........ there is also a useable CM9 alpha
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Full sense is also available by djpbx...also stock enhancing is a very imp part...also cm9 is quite usable except WiFi (
Sent from my HTC One V Running SuPrimo v4.1(28/6/12)

Ken-Shi_Kun said:
From the beggining then, if you need them in native language PM me
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Szervusz, for the first moment I was wondering what you could mean. Then I saw the flag, lol. :highfive:
-Camera mod - not known as of now afaik.
- Yes, there is no compass (for why, don't ask) but there is gps, but isn't that precise, and you need to move for it.
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These things just...suck
Thanks for your reply. I had really hoped to have found a Smartphone with a sub 4" screen, that has no compromises, except front facing camera, which I do not need, but lack of compass and unprecise GPS is just bad :-( I just hate those big screens.
P.S. Szabad megkérdeznem hogy milyen szolgáltatónál vagy? És milyen szerződéssel? Feltöltős vagy elöfíz? Mert én még nem igazából tudom hogy milyet válasszak. Thx.

zmix said:
Szervusz, for the first moment I was wondering what you could mean. Then I saw the flag, lol. :highfive:
These things just...suck
Thanks for your reply. I had really hoped to have found a Smartphone with a sub 4" screen, that has no compromises, except front facing camera, which I do not need, but lack of compass and unprecise GPS is just bad :-( I just hate those big screens.
P.S. Szabad megkérdeznem hogy milyen szolgáltatónál vagy? És milyen szerződéssel? Feltöltős vagy elöfíz? Mert én még nem igazából tudom hogy milyet válasszak. Thx.
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Telenor / djuice with contract for 2 years (2 év rabszolgaság bónusz programban, plusz kis kedvezmény mert sok kártya van a nevemen).
The GPS is quite precise, I think at least., I don't really need the compass.
Lloir
Don't meant to insult anyone. The phone is basicly too new, and there has been quite big leaps in development in the last days, so I'm quite eager for news here .

Ken-Shi_Kun said:
Telenor / djuice with contract for 2 years
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Allright. Thank you. Will check them out, too. I do not talk much, I do more internet. But most are about much talking and little 'netting. The internet options are mostly a joke with all of the providers and the extras just way too expensive. Well, what can we do...?!

any completely stable finished roms available?

hi, just wondering if there are any roms available that are completely stable and finished for this phone?
if not, (as i have not found any), is the original stock rom (rojers) available to download anymore?
thanks guys..

jmpcrx said:
hi, just wondering if there are any roms available that are completely stable and finished for this phone?
if not, (as i have not found any), is the original stock rom (rojers) available to download anymore?
thanks guys..
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After reading a lot, I believe I can confirm that only GB, and stock ICS are stable, as with no issues, some little glitches but no deal breakers. As for Rogers, there's only Osimod GB ROM based of Rogers. The rest are based of UCLJ3

lasuazo said:
After reading a lot, I believe I can confirm that only GB, and stock ICS are stable, as with no issues, some little glitches but no deal breakers. As for Rogers, there's only Osimod GB ROM based of Rogers. The rest are based of UCLJ3
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ok thanks lasuazo ;--)

I guess omni and cm11
jmpcrx said:
hi, just wondering if there are any roms available that are completely stable and finished for this phone?
if not, (as i have not found any), is the original stock rom (rojers) available to download anymore?
thanks guys..
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I may be off base here but I guess the [4.4] cyanogenmod 11 and omni ROM are pretty much stable ...
Though the pretty much is still a while away from complete the following are the general bugs with bubor's amazing Roms:
There is an audio bug when making VoIP calls which gives audio latency ..
There is fixed camera rotation which means all the pictures are in landscape
There is no Wi-Fi direct
Google experience launcher is not that Good looking (I know I am complaining)
Google maps 7 has issues but can be dual loaded with maps 6 so they work
Backlight,PPI, lag all have fixes though
Battery drain is a bit more
But as far as performance goes... They are pretty smooth..
So I guess make your choice

thefusor said:
I may be off base here but I guess the [4.4] cyanogenmod 11 and omni ROM are pretty much stable ...
Though the pretty much is still a while away from complete the following are the general bugs with bubor's amazing Roms:
There is an audio bug when making VoIP calls which gives audio latency ..
There is fixed camera rotation which means all the pictures are in landscape
There is no Wi-Fi direct
Google experience launcher is not that Good looking (I know I am complaining)
Google maps 7 has issues but can be dual loaded with maps 6 so they work
Backlight,PPI, lag all have fixes though
Battery drain is a bit more
But as far as performance goes... They are pretty smooth..
So I guess make your choice
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i wish i could agree with you.. im running kitkat crdroid, and like every rom i have flashed over the years, has plenty of bugs that make it very annoying as a daily rom. phone switching off twice a day, icons/widgets dissapearing after rebooting, becomes laggy after a week or so of usig the rom, laggy browsing on all browsers, trebucket crashing regurly etc etc, thats on top of the bugs you list.. the only roms that are stable are completely finished official cm or miui roms (which there are none for this fone..). the stock rom is the only one that has not given me trouble. with the greatest respect to those that put their time i to make these roms, im sure people who flash them make them out to be more stable than they really are unfortunatelly.

Maybe we have developer aura or something like that? I'm sure I just used 4.4 PAC ROM for a week without reboot or any crashes. Bluetooth, fixed camera rotation and VoIP - yes, these are issues we can't fix, the same is with google maps v.7 (we just have no hardware NEON support that uses v.7 of maps). There is also issue with wi-fi: if you turn it off, it sometimes don't turns on until reboot. As for myself, I just never turn it off.
Besides of these issues, everything is smooth and stable. Really is. But I got sometimes trebuchet crashes - this was a time when I flashed dirty and didn't make a factory reset - the new trebuchet version sometimes conflicts with the data from old version. I just went to Settings - Apps, found Trebuchet (or Launcher3 if old version) and tapped Erase Data. And the issue was gone! But I recommend to always make a factory reset with new ROM. That's really important.
And even if you have those constant trebuchet bugs whatever you do (icons disappearing is also a trebuchet bug, I never encountered it though), just install a different launcher. Google now launcher is the basic, and is like trebuchet in many ways, miui one is also good, and others, they are many!

I had problems with some icons disappearing when the system reboots. I found that the icons that disappeared were for applications which were installed on the SD card. When I moved them to the system, they stopped disappearing.

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Maybe we have developer aura or something like that? I'm sure I just used 4.4 PAC ROM for a week without reboot or any crashes. Bluetooth, fixed camera rotation and VoIP - yes, these are issues we can't fix, the same is with google maps v.7 (we just have no hardware NEON support that uses v.7 of maps). There is also issue with wi-fi: if you turn it off, it sometimes don't turns on until reboot. As for myself, I just never turn it off.
Besides of these issues, everything is smooth and stable. Really is. But I got sometimes trebuchet crashes - this was a time when I flashed dirty and didn't make a factory reset - the new trebuchet version sometimes conflicts with the data from old version. I just went to Settings - Apps, found Trebuchet (or Launcher3 if old version) and tapped Erase Data. And the issue was gone! But I recommend to always make a factory reset with new ROM. That's really important.
And even if you have those constant trebuchet bugs whatever you do (icons disappearing is also a trebuchet bug, I never encountered it though), just install a different launcher. Google now launcher is the basic, and is like trebuchet in many ways, miui one is also good, and others, they are many!
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like i said in my first post, i do really appriciate the fact that people spend Alot of time cooking theese roms, and it easy for me to come along and moan about them, but i have found over the years that after using a custom rom for a couple of weeks or so, its like the ram seems to gradually get eaten away, the device gradually slows down, becomes laggy and ultimately unuseable (not just this fone, and not just me that says this). im not saying all are like this, just many i have used, mainly because they never get finished.
i am very open though to people suggesting that i am doing something wrong, and maybe you have picked up on that something.. you say you do a factory reset, can i ask, do you mean a factory reset in the fone settings, or are you referring to a full wipe using cwm/twrp? as when i flash, i wipe everything accept what i dont want wiped on the external sd.. i dont factory reset, is this after you have flashed the new rom? or before you flash a new rom?
also thank you for the erase data tip for trebucket, i will try that.. i have not used the google now launcher yet, but i tried using miui launcher but when i went back to trebucket the lockscreen stayed as the miui lockscreen, which has happened on past cm roms, so i just deleted it.
just gets a bit frustrating when you spend hours getting everything working/setting up personalisation, then the phone just seems to start getting worse day by day, but maybe like you say, its cos i "dirty flashed"?

linuxguy42 said:
I had problems with some icons disappearing when the system reboots. I found that the icons that disappeared were for applications which were installed on the SD card. When I moved them to the system, they stopped disappearing.
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i did think that, and im sure you are right, but i have had every app/folder/widget dissappear twice now, then, randomly over several restarts, some widgets/apps will replace themselves over the top of the new ones i have just newly placed there.. strange, but i have came across this before on cm roms, so im sure there is a bug there somewhere, even if it is not too common..

jmpcrx said:
you say you do a factory reset, can i ask, do you mean a factory reset in the fone settings, or are you referring to a full wipe using cwm/twrp? as when i flash, i wipe everything accept what i dont want wiped on the external sd.. i dont factory reset, is this after you have flashed the new rom? or before you flash a new rom?
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Yes, what you do should suffice. I meant cwm/twrp wipe (boot, system, data, cache, android.secure). SD card is not touched. So you are doing fine with that, but anyway, there has to be something make those issues... Can you look at /system/addon.d folder? There is stored info about files that will be preserved even if you install a new ROM with a wipe. If there are many leftovers from ROMs or programs you tried earlier, then you should try to manually clear this folder before new ROM install.
the device gradually slows down, becomes laggy and ultimately unuseable
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That was the point with pre-4.2 ROMs, and even with 4.2 there was a bug with gallery thumbnails which made it to eat gigabyte and more of storage after some time. That was fixed in CM 10.1.3. Also a Lite-Kernel used by earlier ROMs is very great, but has its issues, for example, systemui crashes when camera launch after some phone use and sleep of death.
I used CM 10.1.3 for a a three months and still keeping a backup of it for a some case. There was no slowing or lagging, it was almost perfect (if you don't use VoIP or BT handset) even after those months of use. Strangely, but I didn't have even "settings -> about crash" issue bubor listed!

Welll here are some tip which have helped me
jmpcrx said:
i wish i could agree with you.. im running kitkat crdroid, and like every rom i have flashed over the years, has plenty of bugs that make it very annoying as a daily rom. phone switching off twice a day, icons/widgets dissapearing after rebooting, becomes laggy after a week or so of usig the rom, laggy browsing on all browsers, trebucket crashing regurly etc etc, thats on top of the bugs you list.. the only roms that are stable are completely finished official cm or miui roms (which there are none for this fone..). the stock rom is the only one that has not given me trouble. with the greatest respect to those that put their time i to make these roms, im sure people who flash them make them out to be more stable than they really are unfortunatelly.
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i .. umm.. well i agree that as of now they have issues but they will get better .. ours is an old device... so i guess we should tread slowly . which is exactly what the developers are doing .. .
and i agree on the ram hungry part but there are ways for that too . .
funny i have been messaging people to help me post this stuff through them . . but well thats the prob with being a junior member .
My personal tested suggestions for omni rom which have really incremented to the performace some of which are :
- using one of the lightest launchers as i find trebuchet and even google launcher RAM hungry is 'Lightning Launcher' the bloody app itself is in BYTES!!
-also i use link2sd with ext4 that helps in storage and also use sd maid for regular clean up.
-also i have been testing memory swapping using linux swap partition on sd card (class 10 ) and yeah i know it degrades sd card but oh well like Glados testing testing testing
-i have also switch off startup at boot for certain apps
and i apologize for posting what maybe well known tricks or improvs but i really dont know where else to post these (still have the ten post ban from posting )
and if these dont help then sorry to waste your time . .
PS anyone think an F2FS file system like for the nexus7 would\might help ?
tl;dr use the given tips maybe they might help . . and with custom roms i guess you have to spend time to keep them running well .

Makshow said:
Yes, what you do should suffice. I meant cwm/twrp wipe (boot, system, data, cache, android.secure). SD card is not touched. So you are doing fine with that, but anyway, there has to be something make those issues... Can you look at /system/addon.d folder? There is stored info about files that will be preserved even if you install a new ROM with a wipe. If there are many leftovers from ROMs or programs you tried earlier, then you should try to manually clear this folder before new ROM install.
That was the point with pre-4.2 ROMs, and even with 4.2 there was a bug with gallery thumbnails which made it to eat gigabyte and more of storage after some time. That was fixed in CM 10.1.3. Also a Lite-Kernel used by earlier ROMs is very great, but has its issues, for example, systemui crashes when camera launch after some phone use and sleep of death.
I used CM 10.1.3 for a a three months and still keeping a backup of it for a some case. There was no slowing or lagging, it was almost perfect (if you don't use VoIP or BT handset) even after those months of use. Strangely, but I didn't have even "settings -> about crash" issue bubor listed!
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ok thanks, i cleared the data in trebucket, and started again with placing apps/widgets on home screen, and i also have deleted the hacked version of adobe flash that you install with dolphin browser, and, supprisingly after a couple of days of testing, my apps/widgets are not deleting themselves, the phone is significantly less laggy, and i have had no switch offs, so, im very pleased with that! so id suggest against downloading that version of flash player with this rom..
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i .. umm.. well i agree that as of now they have issues but they will get better .. ours is an old device... so i guess we should tread slowly . which is exactly what the developers are doing .. .
and i agree on the ram hungry part but there are ways for that too . .
funny i have been messaging people to help me post this stuff through them . . but well thats the prob with being a junior member .
My personal tested suggestions for omni rom which have really incremented to the performace some of which are :
- using one of the lightest launchers as i find trebuchet and even google launcher RAM hungry is 'Lightning Launcher' the bloody app itself is in BYTES!!
-also i use link2sd with ext4 that helps in storage and also use sd maid for regular clean up.
-also i have been testing memory swapping using linux swap partition on sd card (class 10 ) and yeah i know it degrades sd card but oh well like Glados testing testing testing
-i have also switch off startup at boot for certain apps
and i apologize for posting what maybe well known tricks or improvs but i really dont know where else to post these (still have the ten post ban from posting )
and if these dont help then sorry to waste your time . .
PS anyone think an F2FS file system like for the nexus7 would\might help ?
tl;dr use the given tips maybe they might help . . and with custom roms i guess you have to spend time to keep them running well .
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some good tips there, thankyou, i havent tried any of them yet, but i will have a go at some of them and see what happens.. thanks thfusor..

jmpcrx said:
hi, just wondering if there are any roms available that are completely stable and finished for this phone?
if not, (as i have not found any), is the original stock rom (rojers) available to download anymore?
thanks guys..
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For what it's worth, I recently had to reflash and decided to use dman325's stock UCLJ3. (He has two versions, stock and one with the aosp lockscreen. If you decide to use either, use the stock one. dman325 had to resign the aosp one with a test signing key that, recently, got invalidated or declined and it prevents Google Play from updating past 3.7.15 and Google Play Services wont install at all because of a shared_uid fault due to certificate conflict, etc.)
I got frustrated with the amount of bloat in an otherwise vendor fun-packed rom, so I went in and hacked out lots of crap. Largely relying on either "what is safe to get rid of" lists for similar samsung phones and my own poking around/guestimation using dex2jar and jd-gui. I really, honestly don't understand what InputEventApp.apk was meant to do. Seriously. But, getting rid of it reduced the logcat spam tremendously. Also, the wsslcm* apks are somewhat frightening in appearance.
I've gone a few steps further, I modified android.policy.jar smali to prevent the emergency dial option from showing up on the lock screen - I accidentally pocket dialed 911 a year ago and am not about to do that again. I also modified the kernel ramdisk image to set ro.debuggable=1 and ro.secure=0. I tried, while I was at it, to replace /dev/random with /dev/urandom, but I'll have to do some experimenting.
I've added a few static binaries for proper gnu utilities. bash, ls, grep, sort, du, etc. It surprises me that a functional shell environment doesn't get more attention on phones with keyboards.
So, that's my $0.02. Try the stock UCLJ3 and fiddle with it a bit. Good luck.

etherfish said:
For what it's worth, I recently had to reflash and decided to use dman325's stock UCLJ3. (He has two versions, stock and one with the aosp lockscreen. If you decide to use either, use the stock one. dman325 had to resign the aosp one with a test signing key that, recently, got invalidated or declined and it prevents Google Play from updating past 3.7.15 and Google Play Services wont install at all because of a shared_uid fault due to certificate conflict, etc.)
I got frustrated with the amount of bloat in an otherwise vendor fun-packed rom, so I went in and hacked out lots of crap. Largely relying on either "what is safe to get rid of" lists for similar samsung phones and my own poking around/guestimation using dex2jar and jd-gui. I really, honestly don't understand what InputEventApp.apk was meant to do. Seriously. But, getting rid of it reduced the logcat spam tremendously. Also, the wsslcm* apks are somewhat frightening in appearance.
I've gone a few steps further, I modified android.policy.jar smali to prevent the emergency dial option from showing up on the lock screen - I accidentally pocket dialed 911 a year ago and am not about to do that again. I also modified the kernel ramdisk image to set ro.debuggable=1 and ro.secure=0. I tried, while I was at it, to replace /dev/random with /dev/urandom, but I'll have to do some experimenting.
I've added a few static binaries for proper gnu utilities. bash, ls, grep, sort, du, etc. It surprises me that a functional shell environment doesn't get more attention on phones with keyboards.
So, that's my $0.02. Try the stock UCLJ3 and fiddle with it a bit. Good luck.
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thanks etherfish, if i continue to have probs i may well do that, i was thinking about going back to stock. dont think i have the confidence to fiddle like you have though as im more of a windows man than linux, but thanks for the great advice

jmpcrx said:
thanks etherfish, if i continue to have probs i may well do that, i was thinking about going back to stock. dont think i have the confidence to fiddle like you have though as im more of a windows man than linux, but thanks for the great advice
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Well, you learn by doing, I believe. Also, I have a classy - for a flip phone - Motorola Razr2 v8 kicking around I can always put my SIM into if I've managed to hose my captivate glide. Also, I'm replying because I can't post in the rom development forum until I have 10 posts. Hurray for well founded, but nonetheless arbitrary restrictions. So, a number of things have piqued my curiosity.
So, first of all, this surprised me in the logs:
Code:
I/Launcher( 2263): onCreate(): product model family:U1 product model : GT-I9221
I'd always wondered why I had an SGH-I927 when other phones, like the remarkably similar Galaxy R, are GT-I9103. Is/was GT-I9221 an internal reference?
Also, there are other inconsistencies, for example:
Code:
D/RILJ ( 426): [1718]> REQUEST_GET_NEIGHBORING_CELL_IDS
D/RILJ ( 426): [1718]< REQUEST_GET_NEIGHBORING_CELL_IDS error: com.android.internal.telephony.CommandException: REQUEST_NOT_SUPPORTED
If you jump into the debug/field test menu system, (dial *#*#197328640#*#* ) you can bring up the list of neighboring cells in both GSM and WCDMA modes... So, why is the request marked not supported? Furthermore, why didn't samsung disable the request in the first place if they went to the trouble of disabling it from working. I imagine this has a reason, but I doubt it's a terribly great one.
And the FM receiver? I do believe our broadcom BCM4329 is a bluetooth+wifi_in_an_sdcard (well, SDIO really, but still, not pci-e and not usb.) and has an FM receiver built in, but it's omitted and hidden?
Code:
W/AudioPolicyManager( 112): FM radio recording off
Oh, the conspiracy theories. And then there's the weird lines you discover if you dump the string identifiers from /system/bin/drexe!
For example, these lines are all sequential:
Code:
broadcast -a android.provider.Telephony.SECRET_CODE android_secret_code://767*3855
InvokeOemRequestHookRaw broadcast factorst OK
InvokeOemRequestHookRaw factorst fail %d
/system/.configure.txt
(what's with /system/.configure.txt???)
Do not type 767*3855 into your phone. It's the factory wipe code or possibly part of it. I do believe drexe is the DataRouter you often see spamming the logs with:
Code:
E/DataRouter( 107): usb connection is true
E/DataRouter( 107): DSR is ON. Don't send DTR ON.
And we find these strings in drexe:
Code:
__initialize_usb_ipc
/data/.usb_stream
usb connection is true
InvokeOemRequestHookRaw usbstatus true is success
oh, and:
Code:
pipe failed (%s)
fork failed (%s)
child pid = %d.
execute sh.
system/bin/sh
execl fail %d
What do you think? Why does drexe seem to have code to support and start a shell? Well, if nothing else, thank you for reading.
P.S. I don't suspect anything the least bit conspiracy like, malicious, or devious. I've worked for some huge companies; i don't think it'd be likely.

etherfish said:
Also, I'm replying because I can't post in the rom development forum until I have 10 posts. Hurray for well founded, but nonetheless arbitrary restrictions.
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Technically, you can post in cappy dev forums started from 3 posts. I saw someone posting there his fourth post.
As for other things you listed... Well, I'll be glad to have an FM receiver in our glide. But I really think that reason for all this staff can be as simply as hands growing from wrong place or restricted development time...

Makshow said:
Technically, you can post in cappy dev forums started from 3 posts. I saw someone posting there his fourth post.
As for other things you listed... Well, I'll be glad to have an FM receiver in our glide. But I really think that reason for all this staff can be as simply as hands growing from wrong place or restricted development time...
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I recently, after some research, also installed dans stock (i decided to go complete stock since i didnt know what the lock screen thing meant).
I havent had any trouble with being outdated. Only thing i noticed (unless im doing it wrong, im new to this phone) was that screencaps dont work. its power button and volume down, right?
Other things id like to customize are data being in the top drawer instead of bluetooth (since i never use it), and id like to be able to see who texted me on the lock screen, but while still using the stock messaging app, and without an app having to constantly run.
Other than those couple of things its been great!
im HOPING down the road for an un-buggy or at least minimally buggy version of 4.4. well see what happens with that i guess.

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I recently, after some research, also installed dans stock (i decided to go complete stock since i didnt know what the lock screen thing meant).
I havent had any trouble with being outdated. Only thing i noticed (unless im doing it wrong, im new to this phone) was that screencaps dont work. its power button and volume down, right?
Other things id like to customize are data being in the top drawer instead of bluetooth (since i never use it), and id like to be able to see who texted me on the lock screen, but while still using the stock messaging app, and without an app having to constantly run.
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well i always say stock is best cause it IS optimized however there are things like keep and total Google integration that i like so i updated to kit kat
for screen caps if they dont work i could maybe suggest an application called super manager its pretty loaded it has screen cap and may even give you prox sense wake up for device.
also customizing the drawer hmm.. i guess you could try xposed framework but please be careful and make a backup before
as for who texts you and the content of the text you could try dash clock its able to do a lot

hello guys I was just wondering if I could get some help since I returned back to fully Ice Cream Sandwich Stock. I completely removed all the system bloat with link2sd, uninstalled all att crap. Can anyone recommend me something since I feel the ram consuption still to high... battery so far is doing kind of good almost as in crdroid
But i believe it can be improved. Any recommended settings or something else i can do? Already tried lite kernel but it gave me some issues. Rather keep stock. Any recommendations please guys. Also if you know a "ok google" like app or something as a swifty assistant would be nice. Please recommend. Thanks in advance

jmpcrx said:
hi, just wondering if there are any roms available that are completely stable and finished for this phone?
if not, (as i have not found any), is the original stock rom (rojers) available to download anymore?
thanks guys..
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Hi,
well that depends.. on what you mean with "finished"
I have tested all (3 months ago) available ROMs for the Glide. IMO the best available ROM is PACman but as said it depends. I used pac_i927-milestone.1.RC1.4.zip for a long time (months) without having any issues besides Bluetooth Headset which is a general problem in JB and higher version). I have tried other PACMan ROM versions as well but the above one was the best of stability and battery life (in my case).
So it depends what features you really need or are a must-have for you. If you do not have bluetooth headsets I would recommend the above otherwise .. well I would recommend sediROM
Regards
xdajog
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lasuazo said:
hello guys I was just wondering if I could get some help since I returned back to fully Ice Cream Sandwich Stock.
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Haven't done that before but would be rooted ICS stock also ok for you?
If so:
--> search for thread ID 1994902 or search for: [ROM] Stock UCLJ3 Rooted, Deodexed, Zipaligned
(sorry not allowed to post links..)
Regards
xdajog